systemic racism

FOAD "Greg"

is / was your mother proud of you ???

hmmm

This might just be the chocolate fudge brownie talking, but here you go:

https://www.benjerry.com/home/whats-new/2016/systemic-racism-is-real

^ Good link, Mike.

Systemic and institutionalized racism are so completely throughout U.S. culture, most often unseen. Look around, Greg.

Greg can you just stop. Enough man. 

Systemic economic balancing, coupled with robust policing and criminal justice reforms, would go a long way to ensuring racial equality and justice.

Power to the people, right on. 

If you cannot quantify it, how are you going to judge what Biden has done for the past 40 years?

it really seems that you were not educated properly, did you go to a school in a lower income area of your city? That may explain it.

power to the free people of the United States 

Have you seen the amount of homeless, and the amount of ex military men that are part of that homeless, the amount of these people that should be off of the streets and in institutions for the safety of others? 
 

if not go to a low income area in your city and watch it first hand because that is where white america heards the derelicts of society, and if you live there and have children God help you.

So, there was slavery which officially ended in 1865, I believe. Then you had segregation which ended in 1964? I could be wrong about those exact years but I whe. You look at the time line it's been only about 50 some years we there haven't been laws in place that actually premote racism. So the. Currently we have the prison systems which are dominated with a black american population. Many of which come from poverty stricken situations where they are appointed public defenders for criminal cases. Anyone who has been involved with any court case knows that without proper defense you could really get shafted. Anyways, yes there has been systemic racism for practically the entire lifespan of the USA. It was built on racism and the genocide of the indigenous natives of the land. Some zoners were alive in a time when blacks and whites could not use the same bathrooms or water fountains and that was punishable by law. 

Welcome to the sock parade.

>>There are a few bad cops but the majority are good

If you have 10 bad cops and 10,000 good cops - but the good cops are doing NOTHING to stop the bad cops - then you have 10,010 bad cops.

Fuck OP and their troll threads. Be good boy, G-reg. Lick boot.

Oh and props to those who'd tackle thread topic in earnest, it's an important subject and I have nothing to add but to echo sentiments already spoken.

So instead I'll just say fuck OP; enjoy licking the boot. Good boy, G-reg. Good boy.

Deeply embedded. Most white people in America don't coexist with folks of color, therefore it's easy to be skeptical or afraid of what you don't know. Damm shame. I've coexisted with PR's and blacks since I was young, so it was easy for me to figure out we're all the same and deserving of the same respect. Warms my heart to see some of you feel the same way, possibly w/o having the same multicultural mileage.

Law enforcement should know better. 

Greg, turn off the idiot box

Jesus Greg, now you're just being ridiculous.

Blacks are pulled over at something like 7x the rate of whites. They are incarcerated for crimes that whites aren't. The schools in black areas are consistently under funded and under achieving. It goes on and on. Blacks in our society, and especially males, are not equal to any other group.

The causes are both implicit bias and systemic racism. If you can't recognize this, there's something really wrong.

>>If you can't recognize this, there's something really wrong.

The racism in America is so deep and systemic, so denied and ignored, so much a way of day to day life...that so many are blind to it.

If we seek to be part of the solution - then our very first job is to help them to see.

And to answer your question on how to quantify systemic racism, do some fucking research: https://digitalscholarship.unlv.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1792&con...

It is completely quantifiable, and by you even questioning it you are placing blame on Blacks for how they are treated. That, Greg, makes you a racist.

Timpane touched on a very important point: although Blacks were made "free" after the Civil War (which is debatable), they were never given equality. 

A Brief History of Slavery and the Origins of American Policing

Written by Victor E. Kappeler, Ph.D.

The birth and development of the American police can be traced to a multitude of historical, legal and political-economic conditions. The institution of slavery and the control of minorities, however, were two of the more formidable historic features of American society shaping early policing. Slave patrols and Night Watches, which later became modern police departments, were both designed to control the behaviors of minorities. For example, New England settlers appointed Indian Constables to police Native Americans (National Constable Association, 1995), the St. Louis police were founded to protect residents from Native Americans in that frontier city, and many southern police departments began as slave patrols. In 1704, the colony of Carolina developed the nation's first slave patrol. Slave patrols helped to maintain the economic order and to assist the wealthy landowners in recovering and punishing slaves who essentially were considered property.

I'm not sure how I picture G-reg to be in 3D.  We should do one of those threads where we post pictures of someone we think reminds us of a zoner's persona.  I'd like to see what we come up with- this guy is good for comedic value.

>>> Do people really believe american police officers are trained to use more deadly force on blacks?

..some secret racist increased brutality training for blacks? <<<

Another Man Who Said ‘I Can’t Breathe’ Died in Custody. An Autopsy Calls It Homicide.

Manuel Ellis of Tacoma, Wash., died in part as a result of how he was restrained, according to the medical examiner, who concluded that his death was a homicide.

Published June 3, 2020Updated June 4, 2020, 8:13 a.m. ET

SEATTLE — A black man who called out “I can’t breathe” before dying in police custody in Tacoma, Wash., was killed as a result of oxygen deprivation and the physical restraint that was used on him, according to details of a medical examiner’s report released on Wednesday.

The Pierce County Medical Examiner’s Office concluded that the death of the man, Manuel Ellis, 33, was a homicide. Investigators with the Pierce County Sheriff’s Department were in the process of preparing a report about the March death, which occurred shortly after an arrest by officers from the Tacoma Police Department, said the sheriff’s spokesman, Ed Troyer.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/us/manuel-ellis-tacoma-police-homicid...

Defund these fuckers!

>> If you have 10 bad cops and 10,000 good cops - but the good cops are doing NOTHING to stop the bad cops - then you have 10,010 bad cops.<<

The thin blue line. ^ Yes this is what needs a paradigm shift.

g-reg...did you see the video from last month of the younger black male that rolled through a Stop sign and they had him held at gun point in his front yard?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL7qFBb9Y0g

It is real but it's Obama's fault

https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1268541112253284352

This pretty much explains it 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YrHIQIO_bdQ

Do people really believe american police officers are trained to use more deadly force on blacks?

..some secret racist increased brutality training for blacks?

some whacko college age liberals and leftists do. aside from folks like that whom very few reasonable voices on the left take seriously, no, people do not believe that. some of these whacko college age liberals may be highly visible and vocal on platforms like twitter - and those sentiments may gain more traction in times like these, but those views do not represent the vast majority of people nor the actual situation.

nobody reasonable is saying that cops look at a black person and consciously think to themselves; "hey! a black guy! ill go pull him over and brutalize him because i do not like black people"

one of the simplest ways to describe systemic racism in policing is this - if you see black people portrayed in media as criminals or simply being a part of any kind of gangsta rap type subculture, and you spend all day policing communities in which black people commit a majority of the crime, especially if you are a cop of another color from a neighborhood that isnt predominantly black, policing a neighborhood that is predominantly black, its very easy to subconsciously start being suspicious of every black person. if you are a white cop, and you go home to a mostly white suburban area that has less poverty and crime, and then you police an area that is mostly black, you can develop a subconscious bias against black people that can lead to things we see all the time, like black folks being angrily hassled as they simply walk down the street.

the brutality aspect is a whole nother can of worms IMO. i think the brutality tend to be applied to black folks at a higher rate than white folks due to the reasons i outlined above, but i dont think the brutality itself really has racist reasoning behind it - its just applied to black folks more due to existing systemic racism...the nuts and bolts reasoning behind increasing brutality has to do with the war on drugs, militarization of police and the "no snitching" pig criminal culture engrained into most police departments

not another bakery rant...

https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/scratching-my-head-bakery

>>> nobody reasonable is saying that cops look at a black person and consciously think to themselves; "hey! a black guy! ill go pull him over and brutalize him because i do not like black people" <<<

bullshit, happens all the time and sticking "reasonable" in your ignorance above

doesn't help it.

it's because of fucks like 

Minneapolis Police Department Union president Lt. Bob Kroll

that they get away with it.

You sound completely barking mad,"

confederate or nazi stickers on your pickup,  good ol boy?

There's a wonderful author talk / online rally going on at the facebook page below, live, right now:

https://www.facebook.com/thebrownbookshelf/

It's literally for a young adult audience so possibly OP could wrap his head around it. Unlikely.

are we still voting blue no matter who? 

b/c these dem cities w/ their dem mayors and governors are cracking skulls of peaceful protesters -- honestly nyc/chicago/philly/etc, disgusting displays of brutal beatings. 

democrat mayors have no courage during the exact time they should have the most courage. 

shaemful stuff, nobody will forget this. 

If there were ever a time for a third or even fourth party candidate to emerge, i think it’s here.

Killer cops are not bad eggs; they're murderers.

Dude, you're redefining "systemic racism" to meet your hypothesis. It is very real, and is very visible in law and order.

but it's not written down man. lol. 

Fuckit, reading your shit makes my eyes burn, ya  Blockhead.

Pray for peace 

Wow. All these threads with the same uneducated, manipulative, negative, nasty, name calling bullshit from one guy.

Get your lips off the crack pipe, take the meds the Dr. prescribed and your mommy should take away your device privileges.

Your Zoning has shades of Psycho Kirley. Get a grip Greggie. You are a prime example of what is wrong with this world.  

dem mayors still instructing the police to literally cracks skulls of peaceful protesters.

biden says to shoot black people in the leg instead. 

thoughts and prayers do nothing. 

G-reg, I got your Contact email, please send new email address.

Thoughts and prayers

 change 

and peace 

One Change required 

An awful lot of Trump’s defenders in conservative media appear to be shocked by what is happening right now in America.
But I’m kind of curious. What did they think was going to happen?
The president has a real job. His words have real consequences. Electing someone to that position who has no compunction about stoking racial tensions and a history of incendiary, violent, racist rhetoric—and totally uninterested in even the idea of national unity—was always a ticking time bomb.
None of this is to absolve the looters and rioters—they should be condemned in the strongest possible terms. But no one should be surprised that we’ve gotten to this point.
There was always going to be an intervening event, be it police violence or economic strife, that would reawaken our country’s underlying racial tensions and inequity. In a country with our history – with our present – this might be the most predictable catastrophe in history.

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The argument made in 2016 by conservatives who thought that Trump was manifestly unfit for the job went something like this:
Sure, we might get judges and tax cuts. But the potential downside of having a senescent, wannabe gangster as president of the United States is that (1) he might push us into a constitutional crisis and that (2) if he’s confronted with a real-world crisis, there’s a non-zero chance he could cause radical, real-world harm.
Well, here we are.
These possibilities seemed so obvious then that I could never tell if the people denying them were really blind, or if they were working overtime to pretend not to see them.
Did they really think that putting a man bereft of character, decency, and empathy in charge of the country wouldn’t make a difference?
Did they really think that dismissing each instance of his racism, bullying, fecklessness, megalomania, corruption, lies, and stupidity it wouldn’t have a cumulative effect?
Trump accommodators, of both the direct and indirect variety, will scoff at the idea that what is happening to the country right now is in any way related to Trump’s incompetent and toxic performance.
They have to scoff. Because to admit that Trump played any part in bringing us to this moment is to admit culpability for the role they played all the times they covered for him because, you know, Gorsuch. So instead they tweet outrage at the cities on fire and the protestors in the street with a studied blindness to the fact that this is the logical conclusion—to paraphrase John Heilemann—of putting a pyromaniac in charge of a tinder box.
What did they think was going to happen?
We have an incurious narcissist of a president who was warned over and over by his advisors about an imminent pandemic. He ignored them. Then he engaged in “one day it will just disappear” wishcasting instead of spearheading a coordinated federal response. Then he said that he “take[s] no responsibility.”
What did they think was going to happen?
This pandemic has left more than 104,000 dead in 12 weeks and sparked an economic crisis that has pushed 40 million into unemployment. And during this time the president used his bully pulpit not to rally the country to unity or try to vent some of the pressure that was building up in our communities, but to promote fake medical cures, push fake Obama scandals, and to spread conspiracy theories about a fake murder.
What did they think was going to happen?
You may remember that time when the president told American congresswomen of color to “go back to where they came from.” Or the time he told cops not to “be too nice” when arresting suspects. Or the time he laughed when one of his supporters suggested shooting immigrants. Or all the times he told his followers to punch people he didn’t like.

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Donald Trump has spent his entire political career using maximally divisive, racially charged, rhetoric that glorifies violence while winking and nodding to those eager to receive the high-pitched dog-whistle of hate.
What did they think was going to happen?
The president’s behavior sets the tone for the country. When the president lacks restraint, he creates permission structures for less restraint from everyone down the chain—politicians, cops, citizens. When the president lacks character, there is a vacuum of leadership. And chaos always fills that void. When the president relishes violence and promises to unleash “vicious dogs” and “ominous weapons” on protesters, we should not be shocked when things escalate.
Again, I’m not excusing the looting and rioting. The people committing that violence should be held accountable for their crimes. But this isn’t an either/or situation. You can hold those people responsible and also hold the president accountable for the toxic atmosphere he has recklessly nurtured.
And you can hold to account the people who, for reasons of either convenience, or ideology, or profit, made themselves willfully blind to what Trump has been doing.
As a young conservative in the ‘90s and early aughts I was told, over and over (and to this day still believe), that “character counts.”
Peggy Noonan once wrote of Ronald Reagan:
In a president, character is everything. A president doesn’t have to be brilliant; Harry Truman wasn’t brilliant, and he helped save Western Europe from Stalin. He doesn’t have to be clever; you can hire clever. White Houses are always full of quick-witted people with ready advice on how to flip a senator or implement a strategy. You can hire pragmatic, and you can buy and bring in policy wonks.
But you can’t buy courage and decency, you can’t rent a strong moral sense. A president must bring those things with him.
Well, President Trump didn’t bring any of those things with him. And rather than demand better, conservatives and Republicans surrendered. Many of them eagerly. They put policy over decency. They prioritized political power over everything.
From the day he came down the escalator, Trump promised to burn it all down. And now Conservatism Inc. is surprised the country is on fire?
What did they think was going to happen?
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Opinion

The Police Are Rioting. We Need to Talk About It.  
 It is an attack on civil society and democratic accountability.

By Jamelle Bouie

Opinion Columnist - June 5, 2020

If we’re going to speak of rioting protesters, then we need to speak of rioting police as well. No, they aren’t destroying property. But it is clear from news coverage, as well as countless videos taken by protesters and bystanders, that many officers are using often indiscriminate violence against people — against anyone, including the peaceful majority of demonstrators, who happens to be in the streets.

Rioting police have driven vehicles into crowds, reproducing the assault that killed Heather Heyer in Charlottesville, Va., in 2017. They have surrounded a car, smashed the windows, tazed the occupants and dragged them out onto the ground. Clad in paramilitary gear, they have attacked elderly bystanders, pepper-sprayed cooperative protesters and shot “nonlethal” rounds directly at reporters, causing serious injuries. In Austin, Texas, a 20-year-old man is in critical condition after being shot in the head with a “less-lethal” round. Across the country, rioting police are using tear gas in quantities that threaten the health and safety of demonstrators, especially in the midst of a respiratory disease pandemic.

None of this quells disorder. Everything from the militaristic posture to the attacks themselves does more to inflame and agitate protesters than it does to calm the situation and bring order to the streets. In effect, rioting police have done as much to stoke unrest and destabilize the situation as those responsible for damaged buildings and burning cars. But where rioting protesters can be held to account for destruction and violence, rioting police have the imprimatur of the state.

What we’ve seen from rioting police, in other words, is an assertion of power and impunity. In the face of mass anger over police brutality, they’ve effectively said So what? In the face of demands for change and reform — in short, in the face of accountability to the public they’re supposed to serve — they’ve bucked their more conciliatory colleagues with a firm No. In which case, if we want to understand the behavior of the past two weeks, we can’t just treat it as an explosion of wanton violence; we have to treat it as an attack on civil society and democratic accountability, one rooted in a dispute over who has the right to hold the police to account.

African-American observers have never had any illusions about who the police are meant to serve. The police, James Baldwin wrote in his 1960 essay on discontent and unrest in Harlem, “represent the force of the white world, and that world’s real intentions are simply for that world’s criminal profit and ease, to keep the black man corralled up here in his place.” This wasn’t because each individual officer was a bad person, but because he was fundamentally separate from the black community as a matter of history and culture. “None of the police commissioner’s men, even with the best will in the world, have any way of understanding the lives led by the people they swagger about in twos and threes controlling.”

Go back to the beginning of the 20th century, during America’s first age of progressive reform, as the historian Khalil Gibran Muhammad does in “The Condemnation of Blackness: Race, Crime, and the Making of Modern Urban America,” and you’ll find activists describing how “policemen had abdicated their responsibility to dispense color-blind service and protection, resulting in an object lesson for youth: the indiscriminate mass arrests of blacks being attacked by white mobs.”

The police were ubiquitous in the African-American neighborhoods of the urban North, but they weren’t there to protect black residents as much as they were there to enforce the racial order, even if it led to actual disorder in the streets. For example, in the aftermath of the Philadelphia “race riot” of 1918, one black leader complained, “In nearly every part of this city peaceable and law-abiding Negroes of the home-owning type have been set upon by irresponsible hoodlums, their property damaged and destroyed, while the police seem powerless to protect.”

If you are trying to understand the function of policing in American society, then even a cursory glance at the history of the institution would point you in the direction of social control. And blackness in particular, the historian Nikhil Pal Singh argues, was a state of being that required “permanent supervision and sometimes direct domination.”

The simplest answer to the question “Why don’t the American police forces act as if they are accountable to black Americans?” is that they were never intended to be. And to the extent that the police appear to be rejecting accountability outright, I think it reflects the extent to which the polity demanding it is now inclusive of those groups the police have historically been tasked to control. That polity and its leaders are simply rejected as legitimate wielders of authority over law enforcement, especially when they ask for restraint.

A New York Police Department that worked enthusiastically with the Republican mayors Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg — mayors who found their core support among the white residents of the city — then rejected the authority of Bill de Blasio, a Democrat backed by blacks and Hispanics, who had emphasized police reform when he was a candidate. Or compare the contempt for President Barack Obama from representatives of law enforcement to their near-worshipful posture toward President Trump.

Yes, some of this reflects partisan politics — it’s in the nature of policing that many of its practitioners tend to be more conservative than most — but I think it’s also influenced by a sense that neither Obama nor his appointees, like Eric Holder or Loretta Lynch, had the right to criticize them or hold them to account.

If that is the dynamic at work, then we should not be surprised when the police respond, in the main, with anger and contempt to demands for change from the policed. Nor should we be surprised by their willingness to follow the lead of a figure like Trump, who has incitedAmerica’s police forces to be even more violent with protesters (to say nothing of his past praise for police abuse).

Trump explicitly rejects the legitimacy of nonwhites as political actors, having launched his political career on the need for more and greater racial control of Muslims and Hispanic immigrants. Even without his tough-guy posturing, Trump is someone who embodies the political and social order the police have so often been called to defend.

Which is all to say that the nightly clashes between protesters and the police are, to an extent, a microcosm of larger disputes roiling this nation: the pressures and conflicts of a diversifying country; the struggle to escape an exclusive past for a more inclusive future; and our constant battle over who truly counts — who can act as a full and equal member of this society — and who does not.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/opinion/sunday/p...

voting blue not matter who is voting for keeping systemic racism in place. 

Times are changing...

Biden is the candidate 

If you want change, we hold them accountable for once

and push them everyday for the change that is so badly needed.

it doesn't just happen by voting and winning

you gotta push, in this case a dinosaur...

to make the change.

or

you can be lazy and help history repeat itself.

remember when you were posting that several times a week? 

we call that white privileged laziness. 

just vote dem, they got your back. 

again, they're worse than the republicans b/c they say they're on the people's side. 

doesn't mean shit. 

there was a candidate you chose not to support who stood for all this shit we need now. 

shameful. 

it does if you push for the change

I plan on it.

That's how a democracy works

we pushed for change, and people like you fought back b/c corporate media told you to. 

now you want to change a republican into caring for POC? 

we told you a revolution was necessary. 

you laughed it off. 

that's what we got and it was decided before a single primary vote was cast

and you didn't get your guy.

so do nothing?

btw, bernie was a revolution in name only

but no worries, lots of people will do the heavy lifting for you

relax

racism is so ingrained in the US that when people protest against racism must assume people are protesting against America 

bernie's policy was revolutionary for our outdated country -- the movement behind him was the revolution. 

sorry you didn't see that. most will say he didnt even go far enough, but that was the best we could get. 

and you still shit all over it. 

now we're left w/ the guy that says shoot em in the leg. 

>>> bernie's policy was revolutionary for our outdated country -- the movement behind him was the revolution. 

sorry you didn't see that. most will say he didnt even go far enough, but that was the best we could get. 

and you still shit all over it. <<<

nah

he's yesterday's news

I plan on dealing with the cards we were dealt.

you?

see the thing is you helped make sure we were dealt the same status quo (racist) cards. 

Nah,

change is coming but not in the name of the candidate 

it's coming because people are realizing GLOBALLY who really has the power and are over it.

It's not really fair to blame the continuation of 400+ years of systemic racism on people who didn't support Bernie.

It's not like President Sanders would have had much of an effect on it, being a Communist Jew and all.

LET IT GO

At the end of the day, Bernie bet his entire movement on youth energy and them coming out to vote. We all know that ending. Sad that a Pathetic few haven't moved on and continue the same, tired tropes against Joe Biden. I argue that there has never been a better time for Biden to be president. Anticipating once again for the Bernie bro's to be wrong for the thousandth time, and Biden surprises us all. 
 

So much winning right guys? Hahaha 

Big things are happening towards changing systemic racism:

1) Reddit co-founder Alexis Ohanian stepped down from his board leadership role in favor of elevating a member of the Black community. 

2) Our Portland Police Chief, a white woman, stepped down today to promote a black assistant chief into that role.

3) The San Francisco planning commission is passing a resolution this week to make race and social equity a #1 priority going forward, and they will implement an action plan w/ community engagement by the end of 2020.  (I work for the Portland planning bureau and expect us to follow these steps, as our bureau recently published research around the racist history of land use planning in Portland and we have been in bureau-wide equity trainings for at least 5 years now.)

<<<>>>

nah

he's yesterday's news

<<<>>>
 

bernie being done isn't that point tho -- it's what he stood for, the change we were all calling for -- what the people in the streets are calling for now. 

yep

anybody paying attention knows how much he has pushed us forward

now we got this thing happening

we are ALL charged with.

handle this fucker trump or it gets even worse

this was a good one, everyone remembers? 

she was responding to the idea that it was really about the flag?

she called the kneeling a dumb and ridiculous act. 

she did apologize. 

but we know how she feels. 

just a reminder. she's a good neoliberal for sure. 

sucks she never retired last decade. 

she got it twisted?

make sure you don't

shit's no longer 

she didn't twist anything. 

she showed her true colors. just like everybody else who took the stance rgb did. 

we all lose really. 

With all that hot air from "Heat", and trying to mitigate climate change, maybe we should require an environmental impact statement before he gets to post. LOL

og

respectfully, perhaps you would benefit from  a hobby:  relaxation, release , helping people {{{anger management}}}

fwiw, I support kaepernick and ginsberg, as if you care 

Biden will be looked back on as one of the 3 most  transformative presidents in US history. He will have got done the most in 4 years than any other modern president. Lastly, Joe and his team of experienced and weathered ex-Obama appointees, will be known as the new Washington - an amalgamation of Bernie, BLM, and more established Democrats, working in concert to bring equity to the inner cities and a new community policing paradigm. 
 

Meanwhile, Jared and Ivanka try to hide and shield themselves from hecklers and flying fists. Don jr. and Eric, both broke and shunned from all corners of the earth; move to Portland, Or. and sleep on the couches of Proud Boy members, Melania divorces Donald immediately after the loss, and reveals she had been seeing Donny Deutsch secretly for the past 2 years.

This movement has some legs folks.  Sustained and growing momentum. Very exciting and hopeful to see. Wouldn't it be something if George Floyd's death accomplishes more than MLK's. The young people of today seem to have a lot more smarts and backbone than the 60's movement. Intetnet helps but yeah the youth of today got it all over the drugged out counterculture educated dopes of the 60's and very early 70's. Great job parents of these youth, you should be damn proud of what's happening.

>>>>>Wouldn't it be something if George Floyd's death accomplishes more than MLK's.

It would be something. Still got a long way to go to match that.. We'll see.

>>>>>The young people of today seem to have a lot more smarts and backbone than the 60's movement.

Dunno 'bout that, but it's about building on what went before.

>>>>> the youth of today got it all over the drugged out counterculture educated dopes of the 60's and very early 70's

Well, the kids today have the advantage of seeing what we did wrong, and what we did right. No need to act like you invented street protests. Drugged out? Same as it ever was.

slick is a republican -- we know how you feel about the kneeling lol. 

lltd says "all lives matter" -- no need to even post anymore about that. trash. 

jr that's hilarious. no really, funny. 

Dig your comments surf with one exception - the huge majority of these kids are NOT Near as drug infested as they were back in the day. Sure its out there but I've met lots and lots of the college kids in the streets now and they have clear eyed convictions brother. Much much different from yesteryear's yahoos. Getting high is not high, on their list of priorities right now, like you said they saw the mistakes that were made, that was one of em. Get er done, then the high is well earned.

Fat high and stupid  is no way to go thru life son - dean wormer (he says drunk, same difference)

High praise for todays youth.

surf has an age complex. 

Pheat has the need to insult people.

It's not a good look.

fair enough. 

surf, you an "all lives matter" kinda guy, like lltd?

I just want to say that I agree completely with everything Pyramid has posted. That guy is out there but he speaks truth.

"Biden will be looked back on as one of the 3 most  transformative presidents in US history."

OR

Biden will be looked back at as the last of the neoliberal candidates who by insisting on pushing a broken and corrupt model upon the American people ultimately guaranteed that Donald Trump would win a second term and thereby setting in motion the events that put an end to the American democratic project and ushered in the era of the American Empire.

OR

Biden will be looked back on as a mediocre lame duck president who got nothing done due to his total lack of balls and inability to remember to keep his oatmeal in his mouth. In the process, corporate legislation will run roughshod over the remnants of the American people's environmental and social rights, ushering in the final push towards global warming and broadening the gap between rich and poor even more, ultimately ending in widespread looting and chaos all over the country.

"Pheat has the need to insult people."

I just quickly scrolled through every post by Pyramid on this thread and he hasn't insulted anyone. Not once.

Well, of course I believe that all lives matter, but, as the sign says, that ain't what we're talking about right now.

Do you not get it yet? The majority of Americans are not yet ready for sweeping changes, nor do they want them. The majority of Americans are in the center, whether to the right or left.

We have shitty candidates because the American people have shitty political knowledge.

thanks, surf. 

bk, i don't understand much -- but  what i do understand is that going forward "voting blue no matter who" is just as bad as voting republican -- i'm just hoping it's now clear to the liberals who have been saying as much since 2016 (of course it isn't). 

quite a few zoners have stated that we need to vote blue no matter who so save the supreme court, especially RBG's seat. 

but she is part of the problem. 

Hey Hot Air - I'll post this story from the SL Tribune from a few weeks ago on May 26th. 

Registering republican in Utah has been a hot topic here lately. I've chuckled thinking of you while reading all the stories but didn't bother to share on the Zone since you're a waste of time. But I can quickly post this before getting back to work. The former head of the democratic party recommended it, and one of the leading political writers in the state did it. You see we haven't had a democratic governor in years, and they usually gather 25-30% of the vote. So voting in the republican primary is the only way for Utah demos to have a voice in who becomes our next governor. Much to the chagrin of the Trump-loving candidate, people are heading to the county clerk's offices to do just that. (Remember that pragmatism idea I brought up back then?) One candidate is Obama's Ambassador to China, Republican Jon Huntsman. He left the Governor's job to serve Barack and our country.  So you see, I was just a little ahead of my time (did it 2 years ago), and once again, your political wisdom and opinions are rendered useless. 

Oh and hey, how's that Tara woman doing? What was her last name again? Haven't heard much since at least three major news outlets checked her out and decided her credibility is suspect. You were so supportive and trusting of her. Sorry you got fooled on that too.    

Here's the story.....

Some Utah Democrats and independents are switching parties to vote in the GOP primary

Jim Dabakis — the liberal former Utah senator who once filmed himself eating an edible marijuana product in Nevada on Facebook Live and another time mockingly vowed to amend a bill to name a frontage road after President Donald Trump to “Stormy Daniels rampway” — registered as a Republican for the first time in his life last week.

The 66-year-old isn’t having an identity crisis. And he hasn’t changed his iconoclastic views.

Instead, Dabakis says the party change is a strategic move to ensure his voice is heard in the upcoming gubernatorial primary race, in which only registered Republicans can vote. And he’s encouraging his 63,000 weekly email subscribers, 32,000 Facebook fans and 9,500 Twitter followers to join him.

“I think if non-Republicans want to have participation in the state" — which is overwhelmingly Republican — "they might have to do the unthinkable and play within a rigged system,” he said in an interview.

Another influential Democrat, developer Kem Gardner, expressed a similar view in a recent Tribune op-ed, arguing that the real election for governor is June 30, not Nov. 3. “I’ll be changing my registration to make sure I have a say in who our next governor is and I encourage you to do the same,” he wrote. (As of Thursday, he remained a registered Democrat).

Every major election year sees some unaffiliated or otherwise affiliated Utahns briefly dabble under the Republican Party umbrella in an effort to elect the more moderate conservatives on the ballot.

Justin Lee, director of elections in the Utah Lieutenant Governor’s Office, says there’s no solid data on the number of people who switch parties for the primary and switch back. But there’s nothing he sees indicating there’s a “significant swing” from one party to another as part of a political strategy.

“We’ve never seen anything to make us think it happens in large numbers,” he said, but noted that registrations do tend to go up in both major parties as an election draws nearer.

As of Wednesday afternoon, numbers from the state election’s office showed there are 721,651 active Republican voters, 485,461 unaffiliated voters and 220,062 Democratic voters.

Since the end of last year, Republicans have picked up 46,446 new party members, elections data showed. At the same time, the number of Democrats has increased by 29,927 while the unaffiliated category has lost 22,670 people.

Switching sides

While it may not happen in droves, dozens of Utahns told The Salt Lake Tribune they’re considering or planning on changing their affiliation to Republican this year — a move that for many of them means aligning themselves with a party that doesn’t match their own ideological values and beliefs.

“I’m pretty opposed to being associated with the Republican Party and I initially was like, ‘I’m not going to do it,’” said Josh Breitbach, a 25-year-old unaffiliated voter who lives in Midvale. “But I saw a post on Facebook by Jim Dabakis and he was urging people to switch their affiliation and that kind of made me give it a second thought. If my vote might make a difference," it’s worth it.

He plans to vote for former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, who’s seen as one of the more moderate candidates in the race. The other candidates are Lt. Gov. Spencer Cox, former House Speaker Greg Hughes and former GOP Chairman Thomas Wright.

Ryan Williams, an independent voter who has been involved in the Democratic Party, made the decision to join the Republican Party after he received a notice in the mail from the Salt Lake County Clerk’s Office asking him which ballot he wanted to receive.

There were hardly any primary races on the Democratic side, he noticed, while the Republican voters got to weigh in on the attorney general’s race and governor’s contest, as well as a handful of local elections.

“Seeing it on paper like that, it really just kind of … it was striking how left out you are if you’re not voting on the Republican ballot in this state,” said Williams, a 32-year-old Salt Lake City resident. For him, “it just makes sense strategically” to switch.

Williams said he’ll likely vote for Cox but may switch to Huntsman depending on which vote appears to be more strategic to block Hughes, whom he sees as more conservative, from winning the nomination.

Political opportunists?

Utah Republican Party Chairman Derek Brown said he’s opposed to this kind of party hopping, which he believes shows a “lack of integrity” on behalf of those who do it.

“If a politician were to switch parties because it’s politically expedient, I think any reputable news source or the voters as a whole would excoriate them, they would call it a lack of integrity, they would call it political expediency and I think they would be rightly criticized for that,” he said. “This is effectively the same thing but by a voter.”

For those who see swapping affiliations as the only way to participate in Utah’s democratic process in a meaningful way, Brown suggests they put more effort into building their own parties.

“I think the best approach when your own party is not influential is to work with your party, help your party be strengthened and help your party find candidates who are effective and able to lead,” he said. “That is the best approach. It’s not to abandon your own party.”

While some independent and Democratic voters have opted to register as Republicans for the upcoming race, there are others who say they’d never consider making such a move, no matter how strategic it might appear.

good job, slick. 

nobody is reading that. 

>> but she is part of the problem. <<

Who would you prefer to choose her replacement? tRump or Biden....and make the Senate blue, too, so no Merrick Garlands get shelved.

RBG is the problem? You are the problem, pheater. Step in line...

OR Biden will be remembered as the guy who enabled us to flush Trump.

I just read it.

Some people just can't handle the truth.

C'mon pal, you're so well read, I'm sure you can do it. You're saying your attention span can't handle that?  

Oh yeah, I get to vote in the Attorney General's race also and get to help decide who my democratic congressman has to run against. 

It's one of the most legally subversive things I can do as a Utah liberal. 

ned it doesn't matter who chooses -- biden will choose a conservative, trump will as well. 

you are part of the problem -- neoliberals like yourself thinking everything is just fine when the corporate dems are in control. 

everything bad when the republicans in control. 

the thing is you're asking us to step in line and vote for the continuation of systemic racism -- no, i don't think your a racist -- but that's what you're doing -- most likely unknowingly -- and you say, "but trump" -- and we say, but both of them. those are the choices, i get it -- you have to live w/ fighting down real change tho, not me. 

where as i was asking you to step in line to try and change the shit people are now demanding for in the streets. 

huge difference man. 

it's bad no matter what -- which is why we were and are calling for change -- change that you fought against. 

weird. 

biden has said nothing will fundamentaly change. his words. 

Pheater, just because you disagree with her on some things, it doesn't mean that she's part of the problem. You say that about everyone you disagree with.

Our 2  party system sucks. The complete polarization sucks just as much.

no there's more giving people like her chances. 

what she said 4 years ago was totally fucked up. can't erase that. 

besides that tho, she fucked up royally. greedy neoliberal judge. 

LoLoL  pyro heating er up - changing the focus to any dem he can and how bad they are. Samw as or worse than pubs mind you. Hahaaaaaa different day, same kinder gentler vomit

Neil Young: ‘My Black Brothers and Sisters Have Suffered Enough’

“Joe Biden will most likely be our new leader,” Young writes in a new op-ed, “bringing compassion and empathy back to the White House"

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/neil-young-my-black-brothe...

Ahem....

Talk, talk, it's all talk.  Arguments, agreements, advice...

You're like a dull knife, you just ain't cutting,

Your just talking loud, and saying nothing.   
 

Get up, get into it, stay involved.

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This is a music-based messageboard.   Arguing politics here is soft activism at best.  If you want to really "fight the man" you're going to need to get off the black screen and work a little harder.

Om shanti...

She had a right to express her opinion and you have a right to disagree with it. However, when looking at her judicial record, it's clear that she's not the enemy. She may be less "left" than you'd like, but that isn't her problem.

ras you post like bryen. 

may we call you rasyn? 

he's talking about "just shoot em in the leg" biden? 

strange. 

and lol -- who gives a fuck what neil young thinks? he's loaded. just chillin. 

Right on, Herbal Dave. Gotta go out and actually do something!   

>> biden will choose a conservative, trump will as well. <<

Delusional. Did Amy Goodman say that?

Lol one hitters

only old men and people on chairlifts smoke those

Anyone know where Gregulator is at? 

You trolling for soft targets, JR?

To quote that old Chicago song, "Does anybody really care?" 

<<You trolling for soft targets, JR?

Not at all.  Just thought his dissenting view could add color to our conversation. 

Javs

you make me smile 

reading comprehension test?

heats hobby is trolling

boo ing 

insulting

HUGE list

I am  fine with it. "All Ives matter" "shamed" "psychobabbler" My exalted moniker for disagreeing with overheated one

 long_live_the_dead

it makes me smile 

I respect his passion and conviction 

not his obsession and style 

vin·dic·tive

/vēnˈdiktiv/

Learn to pronounce

adjective

having or showing a strong or unreasoning desire for revenge.

"the criticism was both vindictive and personalized"

All  good 

viva la zone

good day all 

< old Chicago song

Though your brother's bound and gagged
And they've chained him to a chair
Won't you please come to Chicago just to sing?
In a land that's known as freedom
How can such a thing be fair?
Won't you please come to Chicago
For the help that we can bring?

BLM?

Why not here 

It would be shameful enough for the current occupant of the Oval Office to refuse to even consider having the U.S. military stop honoring traitors who took up arms against America to defend their ability to own, sell and kill Black Americans,” Duckworth said in a statement. “But for the Trump White House to threaten vetoing a pay raise for our troops over this is downright despicable.”

The south lost   Slavery was a bad deal

grow up Birchers and racists (trump supporters)

shanti OM.  HECK YA

One astonishing statement 

"How exactly can this be quantified?  

complete ignorance  / denial / selfishness

If one has eyes? One could see if they wished 

denial  in lieu of forgiving oneself ?

or hell even evolving and learning about love

#FACTS

We gave the Indians cigarettes and gambling

so it only make sense to give the new legal drug trade away, that would piss whitey off, now that the war on drugs has turned into a cash crab for the old oppressors that put so many in jail in their war on drugs 

Please tell us more about George Soros, Liam

I am interested in particular, specifically how the one percent billionaires, corporations, and foundations have engineered BLM as a class war.

Are we everyday white folk being used as a tool against blacks to promote a class war? 

What are some of the names of these outfits and who is in charge of each of them?

Are they acting in concert or in parallel with the deep state?

Use real small words and #facts only for us slow people here. Please cite any sources referenced in your answer.

Thank you.

Very weird you make that post about black manipulation Liam, just a while ago over morning coffee I was thinking how although protests are peaceful so far, with summer heating up there's a chance Manson's race war might come to pass. 

And bet yo ass it's a class war too buddy, a race war is a class war you silly small thinking man. 

Eat The Rich - Redistribute Or We Break Out The Guillotine

Liam is the small-footed guy with airplane anger control issues previously known as the Orangeone from Oregon.

Oh jesus 

Ras - that is a Graham Nash song and still rings true today

We can change the world
Re-arrange the world
It's dying, if you believe in justice
It’s dying, and if you believe in freedom
It’s dying, let a man live it's own life
It’s dying, rules and regulations, who needs them
Open up the door
Somehow people must be free

First album I ever bought

https://youtu.be/UICcui02BtM

> small-footed guy with airplane anger control issues

lol. I'm gonna say that's some Saturday afternoon gold.