First 2020 Democratic Debate

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Demolition derby time

Even though I’m feeling the Bern! I’m trying to stay open as Tulsi Gabbard always makes sense the couple times I have heard her talk. 

Elizabeth Warren is my horse in the race. Still glad "The Bern 2016" happened but I feel she is the better candidate this time around. I feel she has the better ideas...

The Ivory Tower team of wonks behind Warren’s policy agenda

The 2020 hopeful has tapped deep into her former world of academia, going well beyond Beltway think tanks.

By ALEX THOMPSON and THEODORIC MEYER

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/24/elizabeth-warren-policy-team-1...

Fuck beltway think tanks!

Saw my first 2020 campaign tee the other night.

YANG 2020.  I think the guy wearing it might have been at the Colbert taping that evening.  Yang was a guest..

They say it will be a big beat up on Biden party.<<

Maybe.  Or they could just wait for him to deck himself.  It's kinda his thing.

dude on my block is rockin' biden 2020 bumper sticker...

why Is Biden even running?

If he gets the nomination, the democrats deserve to lose.

Over/under 250 Trump tweets/retweets in next 48 hours? 

I'm disappointed they aren't letting Steve Bullock, the Governor of Montana, participate.  Any Democrat who gets elected in a statewide election in Montana must have something to offer.  That state is deeply red outside of Missoula and Bozeman.

>If he gets the nomination, the democrats deserve to lose.

Biden is still a better choice than Donnie. better  a million times over. he’s not my first choice in the primaries, but if the same fools who insisted that Hillary was as bad as Donnie pull that shit with Biden you can kiss the planet goodbye. 

Disagree. Biden sucks. Do better. The people want a real progressive, not a leave it to beaver status quo robot dinosaur schmuck. 

“Still a better choice” isn’t gonna win this one. Hillary already tried that.

the DNC cut their own throats last election by snuffing out Bernie and they will do it again by nominating joe. 

You think Hillary or Biden would cage babies? Start a war in Iran? destroy all of our treaties and alienate our allies? Defund Planned Parenthood? reverse EPA standards? defund public education? Deny climate change science?

Don't try to win. Try to relegate the third option. 

Soft isms forever. 

Hopefully the poor and uneducated masses don't vote against their own interests this time, and get some free college for their kids. 

I need better than...

- I'm not Trump

- I can beat Trump

- I"ll reverse Trump

It's really sad to see all these ego maniacs running. Hello Beto, Biden, Kamala for starters.

>I need better than...

- I'm not Trump

- I can beat Trump

- I"ll reverse Trump<

A second term for Trump means at least 15 years with a 6-3 or a 7-2 conservative majority on the Supreme Court 

Biden would probably nominate moderate conservatives that didn't call him boy. 

Moot questions because probably none of the potential Democrat nominees would endorse any one of those things.

Do you honestly feel that out of like 350,000,000 people in America Joe Biden is the very best the democrats have got to offer?

You just made my point that any Democrat would be better than Trump. And people who vote will decide which Democrat gets the nomination 

>> if the same fools who insisted that Hillary was as bad as Donnie pull that shit with Biden

I love that you're preempting the shitty course the DNC will ultimately go down anyway.

"The system is fucked. I blame the poor people!" lmao

>> you can kiss the planet goodbye

long time fan of Nancy in the Sky, one of the "greats" of the zone to be sure...big fan :)

Am I to believe everyone here believes in Hillary's foreign police?  Would Marley?  Garcia?  You'd argue that matters not, but isn't that the alpha & omega of a presidency?

One of the theories of human existence is the Gaia Theory, which is basically the planet Earth responds from the perspective of self preservation to various threats, some people, at least one person believes that Hoffman's discovery was a manifestation of the Gaia Theory...at the exact same moment in the timeline of humanity that we stumbled upon our own nuclear annihilation.

https://vivalazone.org/comment/165189#comment-165189

NAMASTE

     Here's the point at which they disguise themselves in sheep's clothing...what a scam  #neoconsanonymous

The only thing more tedious than a Dead$Co show........

Tulsi did well

lol I’m not arguing the obvious with you nanc.

Do you believe Joe Biden is the very best the democrats have got to offer?

the dnc actually decides who the nominee is

like I said, what matters is what the majority of Democratic voters select among the candidates in the race. And like I already said, Biden isn’t my first choice, but if he gets the most votes and wins the primary , of course I’ll vote for him because he’s better than  Trump

So is that a yes or a no?

You do realize that Hillary got more votes in the Primary than Bernie, right?

If  Bernie beats out Biden, he will get the nomination. If Warren gets more than Bernie, she will get the nomination. Votes matter. 

To answer your question again -  No, because as I've already stated,  Biden isn't my first choice. It's not a matter of "the best the democrats have to offer" it's up to the voters. 

You have a beef with Biden, then blame the voters who vote for him in the primaries, or better yet work to get your first choice elected. The goal is to defeat Trump, right?

Yes, I do know that.

You do understand the reason she got more votes than Bernie is because the party rigged the process in her favor, right? Anyways, and again, Democrat voters across the 50 states don’t decide who the nominee is, the DNC ultimately does. Call me crazy if you want, I simply don’t trust the DNC to put forth the very best candidate... Should I? Why? Being quite serious here.

(maybe similar to the reason the repukes won’t primary trump?)

Yes, of course the goal is to defeat Trump. And the last three presidential elections have clearly shown we aren’t living in the age of status-quo voting anymore. It’s not a beef, it’s that running Biden vs Trump is like starting off the Indy 500 already needing an oil change and a brake job. Joe is like the Mike Pence of Democrats, he just wears a better looking suit.

this is about who has the backbone and the balls to go nose to nose with trump. I see at least half the field in front of joe in that lineup.

Not a pessimist, just a realist

(Or ovaries)

Al Davis said it best..

"JUST WIN BABY"

The other day, a woman I know told me with a straight face,"If Oprah runs I'd vote for her in a heartbeat"

Careful folks, politics will turn your brain to mush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbwxqxCzx7U

"Careful folks, politics will turn your brain to mush"

Some of the wisest words posted on this site in a long time.

Congratulations, sir.

I'm actually to the left of most of the Dem. candidates, but I didn't hear much last night that would cause independent voters - the ones that decide elections - to vote against T.Rump. Who is most likely to appeal to those voters? Probably Biden.

This election IS about getting rid of Donnie, not about electing someone who matches our progressive agenda. If we nominate someone too far left they will lose in the general.

And then we'll have a conservative majority SCOTUS for the next 30 years.

Ken raises a good point about Biden. I think he would have tremendous problems in the general explaining his 90's record, which sounds like straight GOP-- lock up black and brown people, streamline deportations and the death penalty, cut welfare, and then in the 2000's, protect credit card debt from small but bankruptcy. He has a LOT of baggage that the GOP will use to skewer him and normalize their own current positions. I completely accept that his positions and understanding of issues have evolved, and I genuinely believe that he is a decent person. I'd vote for him x100 over that soulless sack of shit Trump.  I also agree that this whole "everyone is corrupt and sucks ass except the one person I choose" mindset is what could easily lose us this election by poisoning the pool.

To be fair to the DNC, they made some major changes post Hillary, most notably in stripping "superdelegates" of their electoral votes unless there is a contested convention. It used to be that if Gov. X endorsed you, that got added to your pile of electoral votes, giving the impression that you were winning more actual votes than you were. The people who had those votes are hella pissed, including the Congressional Black Caucus. Now an endorsement is just a thumbs up atta boy, not a pile of electoral votes. The DNC will always lean toward the establishment but this is a pretty major positive step that gives the regular voters more power.

Well without a doubt the highlight of the evening was Julian Castro signaling that he had reached some transcendent level of wokeness by supporting tax-funded abortions in biologically impossible circumstances.

i liked klobuchar before. more so now.

she won't win though. she's like a librarian.

tulsi lady smacked that dude around on military.

the poor schmuck on the far right podium didn't get much...and when he did you saw why.

booker dude is scary.

>but I didn't hear much last night that would cause independent voters

I'd call the whole shit show off for tonight as it would be less fodder for Trump 2020.  We are walking right into another 4 years or as Lindsey put it 'that whole Trump's 3rd term thing is looking better and better'.  

I still can't believe that I am watching Idiocrasy play out in real time.

For those who may not have known quite what Julian Castro was getting at when he talked about 1325... 8 USC 1325 makes it a misdemeanor to enter the country outside a port of entry or by making a false claim of right to enter.  I used to work on the border and this provision wasn't invoked much, but this is the mechanism that Trump has been using the separate families, by declaring "no tolerance" and putting parents into criminal jails, where they cannot house kids, to prosecute them for misdemeanors. Other administrations, republican and democrat, have more efficiently simply deported people without splitting up families or the need for long term housing.  Lest someone think that revoking 8 USC 1325 would result in "open borders", anyone who enters the US unlawfully after having been deported already is guilty of a felony, punishable by 2 years.  If that person has a qualifying prior criminal record, they can go to prison for up to 10 years.  These offenses have traditionally where the DOJ had focused its resources.  Castro did not suggest getting rid of section 1326 aka "illegal entry after deportation".

I realized that half the country probably had no idea what this exchange was about.

Please read this if you think Biden did something wrong. Black leaders were right there with people like Biden to get everyone locked up. There was a huge fucking crime wave and people were afraid. 

 Jesse Jackson famously said, “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps… then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/06/tough-on-crime-makes-no-s...

I liked Warren's performance last night, as well as Castro. 

I think Biden didn't get beat up because everyone on stage last night is also a VP hopeful. 

Unfortunately, when evaluating the candidates, one has to think: "Who will beat up Trump?" -- Warren and DeBlasio looked the toughest. 

I like Jay Inslee's focus on climate, but don't think he would do well against Trump. 

Yep ^

Please look into to Tulsi. She grew up in a cult and is still under the leaders influence. She has met with Modi the leader of India to try and get her cult leaders movement recognized as an official Hindu branch. Let’s not all start acting like Republican voters.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-campaign.html

I consider Christianity something of a cult. Where does that put most of the rest of them?

yes this is weird

also hard to fault someone for being born into something

I dont care what she's born into, and I think "cult" is a strong word but I think she's got issues with Muslims. Just barely over being anti-gay.  Plus, I don't know if I think an active Hare Krishna is gonna win the general election.  

I was there for Biden's 90's. Yes, he was just going with the flow and that flow was Bill Clinton. Plenty of people of all races were appalled at what the dems were doing. I just think that from where we stand now, having been an advocate for that agenda is a serious vulnerability, even if he wouldn't vote that way now. 

>The goal is to defeat Trump, right?

Apparently no. The goal is for self serving idealists to push candidates that the public at large aren't ready to elect.

Trump 2020 is almost a guarantee. 

so biden would win jonas?

Although many Dems are progressive, most of the nation isn’t.

Trump can win by mobilizing the far right. I think that the Dems need to mobilize many more than the far left to beat Trump.

I’m pretty liberal, and I really don’t mind a centrist president (left leaning).

>I think that the Dems need to mobilize many more than the far left to beat Trump

Exactly. 

>so biden would win jonas?

He has the best chance at winning but no chance if the party decides to keep eating their own. 

We elected DONALD FUCKING TRUMP because the nation at large wouldn't accept a woman being president.  Do you actually think that we'd elect a woman of color, a gay man,  a Muslim, even a man with a name like Hickenlooper?  No we wouldn't.  

If we want to turn the tide then I'd suggest throwing immature idealism out with the trash....   

We won't and Trump will win in 2020.  

>>>>>> I'd suggest throwing immature idealism out with the trash...

Enjoy

So called  ‘moderate Democrats’ are smart enough and pragmatic to vote for whichever candidate gets the nomination, it’s mostly the Berniebros and ‘progressives’ that are stupid enough to balk if a moderate like Biden gets the nomination.

They fucked the country and themselves by refusing to vote for Hillary and seem poised to fuck the country once again. Maybe they’ll care when their own kids are locked in cages? 

But what did they lose? How has it hurt them? 

The Supreme Court for starters. And pretty much every Obama policy that has been reversed. 

I'll post this again for those that don't understand the difference between Republicans and Democrats and that includes Biden

Actually, “they” were the driving force behind reclaiming the house. 

You ever been thrown and locked in a cage?

Everyone has to decide for themselves whether to vote with their actual beliefs or to try to guess who is a the best candidate to beat Trump.  I want to beat Trump but I think that Trump's victory on its own is testimony that no one can definitively say who or what would succeed or fail against Trump in this brave new world.  I already see the "I'm really left but I vote centrist" faction trying as hard as they can to diss the progressive candidates. And the progressives have their own spite for the centrists and are happy to eat the young of the democratic party.  We should knock all that off, let the process play out, and then get behind the winner.  Learn to discuss policy differences, or election strategy, without making it seem like everyone except for your chosen candidate is a total loser.  Be open minded.  If you don't agree with someone about everything maybe you can find a thing or two that you do like, especially as compared to the current administration.

So far, I'm in Camp Warren, but I am also assessing the more centrist candidates. However, I think this long term strategy of the dems to go as centrist as possible has cost them dearly in the last few election cycles. That said, while I have expressed my reservations about Biden's electability as compared to other centrists, but I truly believe that he is a better and more honorable person than the worst of his record would suggest.  So far, I think that's true with most of the candidates, including Kamala Harris, who has been a dastardly prosecutor (because that's the job description), but should be given a lot more consideration by the centrist camp.  This will be a long journey and I think we shouldn't be at each other's throats just yet.  Assume everyone is acting in good faith and let's see where this goes.  

Fuck Gillibrand though. :) :):)

> because the nation at large wouldn't accept a woman being president.<

No. Its because its Hillary. The nation already disliked her. Maybe "some" aspect of that is misogyny, however I believe its because of her actions and the 24/7 fox propaganda machine.

>it’s mostly the Berniebros and ‘progressives’<

keep smearing and labeling people who are mostly on your side. this is why we can't come together. and just because you keep saying this, does not make it true. are you working on getting Dems elected in those swing states like fl,ohio and the like? 

Bss gets it.

Look if it's Biden Vs. Trump,  we have little choice to hold our noses and do it....

If you have to hold your nose to vote for Biden over Trump you surely don't get 'it'. 

Do you think that as a nation we would elect Kamala Harris as president?  Mayor Pete?   They don't seem to carry as much baggage as you attach to Hillary.  In the end we wouldn't...and it's not because we don't agree with their politics. 

But yeah, sure, lets come together!  Lol... 

i don't get it.

jonas is so much more sophisticated.

what's your addy for a biden bumper sticker brah?

>>>>>Do you think that as a nation we would elect Kamala Harris as president?  Mayor Pete?

I'd vote for them. I don't have to win to feel good. 

You should vote as far left as you want in the Primaries. That is what Primaries are for. My problem with Bernie aren’t his policies it’s the fact the he continues to talk about the Primaries being rigged. He did such a great job of moving the conversation to the left. He energized millions of people who  didn’t pay attention before and then because of his own ego he crushed that enthusiasm with this stupid meme. Even this week he has refused to say whether he will support the eventual nominee, and for that I will always say fuck him. He is a narcissistic baby approaching Trumpian levels.

The way our elections are set up -  in the general election you get two choices. I know it sucks. I don’t like it either, but all the clever sayings about the lesser of two evils is still evil doesn’t change the fact that -  in a winner take all system you only get two choices. You get to vote for the person you agree with a little bit or the other person, and if you don’t vote or you vote for some third party Russian hack like Jill Stein you are still voting for one of the two people, because only one of those two people will win. It’s just math.

>>>>>Do you think that as a nation we would elect Kamala Harris as president?

god i hope not

>Actually, “they” were the driving force behind reclaiming the house

yes, and I adore them and their ideals and support their agenda 100 percent. I really hope one of them wins the primary too, and will I  vote for a progressive in the primary. throwing a tantrum if it’s not my first choice running against Trump or dissing the other Democrats who could  defeat Trump isn’t going to help our causes. I also support progressives for Congress and local elections.

no, I haven’t been caged, why would that matter?

>>>YANG 2020.  I think the guy wearing it might have been at the Colbert taping that evening.  Yang was a guest..

I saw an interview with him somewhere.... maybe John Oliver, maybe Axios...  cant remember.  I liked the way he handled the interview.  I look forward to hearing what he hasto say tonight.

>>booker dude is scary.

I was a fan when he was the Mayor of Newark..... didnt really love his spanish, an A for effort I guess.

Kamala isn’t my first pick, but she ranks higher than Biden, on my list anyway. Actually she’s in my top 5. 

Because casting people who won’t vote for Biden as people who don’t care about kids in cages is pretty ignorant?

It matters because you probably wouldn’t throw it around so loosely and cavalier. 

Some sheep will eat whatever sheep food their masters serve them. I’m just not one of those voters.

you care about kids but not enough to vote for a candidate who doesn’t cage kids. Brilliant.

Thanks

If we’re getting right down to it, I’m willing to bet joe has put just as many people in cages as Donald. Kamala too.

Care to cite where Kamala put thousands of young children and babies in cages? Biden?

Obama and Hillary too?

Gotta be a special sort of stupid to claim anything they’ve done is even close to the  human rights abuses committed by the Trump regime.  

The word was people nanc. Believe it if you need it.

‘...people who don’t care about kids in cages is pretty ignorant’

and yes, I see where you created the false equivalency 

Impeachable human rights abuses?

Good question, Slacker. maybe someone here can help you out. I already answered one for you today. Google is your friend.

Yang Gang

Yang Gang

Harris was a prosecutor, so of course she put people in cages, that was was her job.  Every friend you had who worked for the cops or the DA's office because they wanted to "change things from the inside" has gotten paid to put people in cages.  But I don't think Harris' record was that much worse than any other head of a prosecutor's office, with the exception of some of the true great reformer prosecutors.  If you can't vote for a prosecutor then you couldn't have voted for Bobby Kennedy or Patrick Leahy.  Congress is loaded with former prosecutors.  I try to avoid prosecutors as much as possible in my personal life, but I love how everyone clutches their pearls when someone who is running for president has done a job that includes having to do some unsavory shit. These are the same people who were scandalized that Hillary successfully defended an indigent man accused of a sex crime. The democrats will forever lose because they have unrealistic expectations of purity from their candidates.  If you are going for a centrist, they probably have done some bad shit in their lives.  Or you can have Donald Trump who never did anything wrong.

I'd argue that Biden was worse because he was integral in changes to law which not only impacted the federal system but influenced state laws around the country for decades.  

All very true and good points. clutching pearls? Mmmm. Omertà. No friends who are cops. No friends who are ex-cops. (Some ex-friends who decided to become cops, though). BTW I really appreciate your perspectives, Alias. Only speaking for myself here and I understand that I am almost as far to the left as possible on this part. Also not a Democrat.

I am pretty far to the left as well, and have been fighting these fights since the 80's.  That's why I am a little condescending toward people who thought that Bill Clinton was a decent president and now are shocked SHOCKED that the candidates are not pure and perfect.  Suddenly being as pure as Bernie is the litmus test.  Where were you all when I was in the trenches against all this shit 10-20-30 years ago?  Which presidents exactly do you think have been so pure and noble?  Most everyone at that level has been a mixed bag at best.

Politics are important, but national politics will always let you down.  You do the best you can and move forward.  Or just sit there like a bitch.

Noam Chomskey says to vote for the lesser of two evils so get over yourselves.

Well, 30 years ago I was still in high school. When you were in the trenches against this stuff I was probably either oath-bound (digging trenches) wearing my country’s uniform, camping on a platform in an old growth timber sale, WTO protests to standing rock, a DNB tour, or somewhere else in between, I can’t really remember. It all rolls into one.

you are right though, I suppose the noble ones rarely make it to Washington. Obama was definitely the president I am most proud of in my lifetime. 2000 was the first presidential election I voted in. Nader.

I'm not talking about you specifically, the larger "you all" of people who were perfectly happy to praise Bill Clinton all these years and now suddenly the very thought of Hillary or Biden or Booker or Harris or any of the other lame but capable centrists in federal government just makes them suddenly break out in hives and vote for Jill Stein.  To quote the truly evil elf Jeff Sessions, "Give me a break."  

I think Harris is clear winner tonight. 

Biden is a fossil.

Harris and Mayor Pete have serious brains ans substantial charisma.

I sort of like Yang.

Bennet is a loon.

Yang's on my radar now very smart guy

Healthcare Industry AKA Sickness care industry got slapped tonight

Say no to Hillary Biden

Media wants Biden & Harris

I only saw the last 40 min or so, now catching up. Mayor Pete had more gravitas than I expected. Bernie is literally repeating his debate lines during interviews, but everything he says is true.  I missed the Biden/Harris dust up but sounds like an example of Biden's difficult past positions.

I only saw the last 40 min or so, now catching up. Mayor Pete had more gravitas than I expected. Bernie is literally repeating his debate lines during interviews, but everything he says is true.  I missed the Biden/Harris dust up but sounds like an example of Biden's difficult past positions.

gabbard is the only one saying the things that i think truly matter - stopping our world policing interventionist foreign policy, no more regime change wars, and recognizing saudia arabia is the biggest problem in the region.

i cant bring myself to become majorly invested in domestic policy issues while we are acting as one of the most misguided destabilizing terrorist forces in recent history.

i think she will turn out with better numbers than expected, although i dont see her getting close to winning at all...but i could not live with myself supporting any of these other clowns 

Daylight she is running for Secretary of Defense no chance at being the nominee.

Seth Moulton D-MA (former Marine) would be a better choice for secretary of defense imho

yea, she probably wont, thats ok, ive come to terms long ago with the fact that there will most likely never be a candidate i feel ok voting for in the main election, but its nice to dream

"Which presidents exactly do you think have been so pure and noble?"     Maybe Jimmy Carter?

This whole thread is pointless. None of these people will be the nominee. I'd bet the amount of slacker's last paycheck on that.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/06/28/pete-buttigieg-religion-c...

Hard to watch. It showed why trump will be reelected. The only thing they all agreed on was trump bad and climate change is real. Ideas too far apart on healthcare, student loans, border issues,  helping central America out.  

The 2nd hour was a talk over one another cluster fuck. Beto was exposed as totally inexperienced. The crazy woman on the far left was too far left. Kamala now has the Hillary label - ultra bitch. Biden stammered on mispronouncing words more than I do after bongs + beers. Mayor Pete looked best but his baggage is too much for this country at this point.

Not feeling too good after that display.

Typical dems,  a bunch of disorganized well wishers.

Thats just not gonna beat satans well oiled repub shit show machine.

I didn't watch the debate, but i'm sure Tulsi Gabbard mopped the floor with those fools on foreign policy matters. I heard Tulsi was the most googled candidate during the debate. I'm not surprised, she is impressive. 

bernie beats trump. just like he would’ve last election. 

moderates toying w/ our future is madness. 

sigh.

That something might be that Gabbard is a creature of the intersectional zone where the anti-imperialist far left meets the isolationist far right, along the lines of Glenn Greenwald's appearances on Tucker Carlson's show. But it’s actually bigger than that: It’s the fact that Americans across the ideological spectrum do not want “regime-change wars,” to use Gabbard’s phrase, and are at least dimly uncomfortable with our nation’s global reputation as a blundering, untrustworthy imperial superpower. 

Donald Trump exploited those facts in 2016 to make Hillary Clinton look (with some justification) like an old-line war hawk. His own understanding of foreign policy was and remains an incoherent blend of contradictory fantasy worlds — on one hand, America First isolationism; on the other, unquestioned global dominance — but he had enough sense of the public mood not to give Mike Pompeo and John Bolton the war they wanted with Iran.

So in a sense Gabbard just did the Democratic Party a huge favor by exposing one of its worst internal failings. No one besides her in the 2020 field is likely to talk about war-and-peace issues unless they have to — and as Tim Ryan made clear, whenever they do it’s likely to go south fast. But if the Aloha State oddball’s moment of internet fame compels the party to confront the fact that the old foreign-policy orthodoxy of soft-focus imperialism and ever-widening secret war is massively unpopular, morally bankrupt and financially ruinous — and that there’s no way to create a more just world without changing that — she may have done more for human history than anyone else on that stage.

 https://www.salon.com/2019/06/27/tulsi-gabbards-date-with-history-can-al...

the old foreign-policy orthodoxy of soft-focus imperialism and ever-widening secret war is massively unpopular, morally bankrupt and financially ruinous

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Subject: Disappointed

Representative Gabbard,

We were very disappointed to hear that you would resign your position with the DNC so you could endorse Bernie Sanders, a man who has never been a Democrat before. When we met over dinner a couple of years ago I was so impressed by your intellect, your passion, and commitment to getting things done on behalf of the American people. For you to endorse a man who has spent almost 40 years in public office with very few accomplishments, doesn't fall in line with what we previously thought of you. Hillary Clinton will be our party's nominee and you standing on ceremony to support the sinking Bernie Sanders ship is disrespectful to Hillary Clinton. A woman who has spent the vast majority of her life in public service and working on behalf of women, families, and the underserved. You have called both myself and Michael Kives before about helping your campaign raise money, we no longer trust your judgement so will not be raising money for your campaign.

Darnell Strom & Michael Kives

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I am glad that Biden took himself out of the race. Bernie sounded like a broken record and was unable to answer the questions.

Warren/Harris 2020

Steve Bannon, David Duke, and Tucker Carlson are also big fans of Tulsi Gabbard.  

Elizabeth Warren should recruit Jimmy Buffett as her running mate.  He could soften up her "nasty" image, and a Warren/Buffett sticker might gain a few votes from conservative voters with poor reading comprehension skills.

Buffett has way too many corporate ties. I wonder who Yvonne Chouinard is backing?

Steve Bannon, David Duke, and Tucker Carlson are also big fans of Tulsi Gabbard.

i bet they also like hamburgers but that doesnt make hamburgers an invalid food choice...the whole "but (insert white supremacist/neonazi here) supports them" is something people use when they have run out of logic and just want to sling shit like a monkey. people are doing it to yang also. funny how its one of the most common criticisms of the two most original and intelligent candidates...i wonder why people are not raising more substantial claims. i have no issue whatsoever voting for the same person as david duke, i dont give a fuck what david duke does, thats totally irrellevant.

IMO the foreign policy issues tulsi raises are more important than domestic racism/sexism/bigotry issues and identity politics. we are literally blowing up peoples homes and killing children and devastating entire nations, and we are supposed to discount the only candidate running on the platform of ending these terrorist policies because david duke likes her??? what???

if trump was actually an anti interventionist as he claimed in 2016, and if trump was enacting the foreign policy changes tulsi is trumpeting, i would vote for trump in 2020. i would just like to not be a citizen of an imperialist terrorist superpower, and if to get there i had to put up with trump grabbing some pussies or being an ass, that would be A-OK with me. unfortunatley trump is continuing our imperialist policies, as expected...but i just dont see how any issue could be bigger than the USA pulling the puppet strings of the world, starting covert wars to topple democratically elected governments we disagree with, and bombing countries to support US financial interests. we are the bad guys here and they like to dress it up like we are trying to save people from tyranny. the USA is literally Danerys Targaryen at the end of Game of Thrones...it seems like she was a good guy, fighting tyranny, but when you take a step back and look at the devastation, she was the main villian the whole time. how can david duke even be on the radar in this situation?

Yang pointed out how automation caused 4 million manufacturing jobs to disappear out of the midwest and got Trump elected. He's right plus listen to all the other industries it's about to screw Retail, Call Center, Fast Food & Truck Drivers. 

Universal Basic Income - He said we could save money as a society on incarceration, homeless services & emergency room care. Like Yangs version of what's wrong maybe not the fixes!

see from 1:05-1:25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijy0-W1yfPc

in his proposal people currently receiving government assistance get to choose between what they currently get and the 1k UBI...so naturally anyone getting more than 1k stays on their current welfare and we are not getting any savings on welfare.

id be much more exited if only those with legitimate physical or mental disabilities gets other government assistance - every person who is healthy and able bodied should only get the 1k UBI, regardless of how much they previously made in a job they lost, kids, etc

Looking at the early primary polling I just don’t see a path for Biden. He is sitting at 32% (pre debate). As the next six candidates down the list drop out their support is going to consolidate around one of the progressive candidate not Biden. He will pick up the support from candidates like Klobuchar and Bennet but they are all polling at barely 1%. His only hope is to keep lots of progressive in the race deep into the primary splitting that vote and winning states.

Betting today I would have to put my money on Warren.

Biden 32%

Warren 18%

Sanders 18%

Harris 7%

O’Rourke 3%

Buttigieg 5%

Booker 4%

Klobuchar 1%

Castro 2%

Yang 1%

Gillibrand 1%

Socialist...

Not democratic socialist more like socialist cap on greedy capitalism. Think salary cap in sports.

Introducing a small percentage of socialism 10% with capitalism at 90% not the full on Socialism lie elephant asses have been pushing for decades.

Republicans who call us socialist got a ton of fucking nerve you communists.

Take Warren & Sanders numbers and combine them 36% to Biden 32%

Warren/Sanders wing of the party remember that last 7 years

Is Yang's UBI once a month?  If it is once a year that doesn't really do much to address the issue of job loss. If its once a month, that's rad.

My first beef with Gabbard is that I don't think she's actually anti-war.  I do appreciate that she isn't a fan of random regime change and she doesn't want to leave US soldiers in harms way forever. That's good.  However, she's fine with drone strikes, oppressive dictators, and bombing people who she would call "extremist" muslims, which, as we all know, is whatever the speaker wants it to be. This explains why Boeing and Lockheed Martin are big supporters of hers. I also didn't agree with her characterization of questioning a judicial nominee about his ties to the Knights of Columbus, a very politically active, very anti-abortion and anti-gay Catholic organization as "religious bigotry".  It was a totally legit line of questioning.  Given that she blames her own (not too far) past anti-gay activism on her own religious upbringing, I get the feeling that she might be sympathetic to actual religious bigotry.  

This doesn't make her the worst candidate in the world and if she wins the nomination I'll give her a shot over Trump.  But I'm not going to sign on as a fan at this juncture. 

 Gabbard’s stance on the military sounds much like every  very mainstream Democrat. Her cozy relationship with religious zealots (non Muslim) is concerning. I suppose that’s why the far right folks are fans

Yang's UBI is once a month $12,000 a year

Tulsi done maybe run the VA in 2020

Well the last 2 nights were interesting.  I think I found something to agree with for every candidate. And I think every candidate said something that really bothered me(with Bernie it was just his attitude and unwillingness to answer the questions).  The blond lady,(Gillibrand?) really hit the mark on corruption in our gov't. I was impressed and that is something I want to hear.  But most everything else she said(and has done) was very disappointing.  But I do agree that very little that we want will happen as long as this gov't is so corrupted. I like Yang alot. I like Kamala more than I did before. Mayor Pete came off well but I don't think he is electable.  Booker came off like a madman. Beto made some good points but did not come off strong. I liked what Inslee had to say but don't think he is strong enough all around. Castro made some progress but there is something about him I don't trust. Tim Ryan came off almost a buffoon. He's toast. Hickenlooper seems to be a dick. Diblasio is all about NY. Good luck with that. The rest? I don't even know why they were there.

So, Bernie, Warren, Harris, Yang and Mayor Pete  are currently running for my vote.  That said, I will vote for the Democratic nominee who-ever he/she is against chump.  But I do hope it is not Biden.

why should bernie step aside? his policies are driving these debates, and the democratic party’s vision. he’s the large front runner now, biden is sinking like we all knew he would once the debates started. 

bernie laid the foundation for this to happen, and you expect him to hand it over to harris, yang? lol that’s fucking hilarious. 

Warren has broader appeal than Bernie, and honestly is better able to convey her policies and debate - she can answer questions. She’s a better alternative to Bernie and yes, because she’s a Democrat the moderates will go with her as will the Bernie bros since her message is the same as his, just more clear and concise and not the ramblings of an old white man. 

Bernie and Kamala should just make a Prez-Veep ticket right now and stomp everybody. Berni, Prez, Kamala Veep, set her up for a dem run in 4 or 8 more years. She's got a great start and really doing a good job with the PR machine, but I don't think she could take the vote as President right now. Warren could be the President, but two women on the ticket may be much for the American voter still. Besides, I like Bernie better than Warren, but that's just me. Sanders/Harris 2020, says I. That's the ticket...

 Warren/Castro ticket with Kamala Harris as Attorney General works too

If the dems could REALLY get their shit together they would all run as a team. Even with Biden as Pres. Put Warren at VP, Kamala AG, Bernie Secretary of State, and so on so forth. If they want to be seen as a unified diverse plurality by the voters, than why not unify? Voltron style?