In the absence of a known efficient therapy and because of the situation of a public-health emergency, it made sense to investigate the possible effect of chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine against SARS-CoV-2 since this molecule was previously described as a potent inhibitor of most coronaviruses, including SARS-CoV-1. Preliminary trials of chloroquine repurposing in the treatment of COVID-19 in China have been encouraging, leading to several new trials. Here we discuss the possible mechanisms of chloroquine interference with the SARS-CoV-2 replication cycle.
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Regarding coronaviruses, the potential therapeutic benefits of chloroquine were notably reported for SARS-CoV-1 [11,42]. Chloroquine was also reported to inhibit in vitro the replication of HCoV-229E in epithelial lung cell cultures [43,44]. In 2009, it was reported that lethal infections of newborn mice with the HCoV-O43 coronavirus could be averted by administering chloroquine through the mother's milk. In vitro experiments also showed a strong antiviral effect of chloroquine on a recombinant HCoV-O43 coronavirus [45]. Although chloroquine was reported to be active against Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) in vitro [46], this observation remains controversial [47].
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Because of its broad spectrum of action against viruses, including most coronaviruses and particularly its close relative SARS-CoV-1, and because coronavirus cell entry occurs through the endolysosomal pathway [48], it made sense in a situation of a public-health emergency and the absence of any known efficient therapy to investigate the possible effect of chloroquine against SARS-CoV-2. A recent paper reported that both chloroquine and the antiviral drug remdesivir inhibited SARS-CoV-2 in vitro and suggested these drugs be assessed in human patients suffering from COVID-19 [49].
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Recently, the China National Center for Biotechnology Development indicated that chloroquine is one of the three drugs with a promising profile against the new SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus that causes COVID-19. Chloroquine repurposing was investigated in hospitals in Beijing, in central China's Hunan Province and South China's Guangdong Province. According to preliminary reports [50,51] from the Chinese authorities suggesting that approximately 100 infected patients treated with chloroquine experienced a more rapid decline in fever and improvement of lung computed tomography (CT) images and required a shorter time to recover compared with control groups, with no obvious serious adverse effects, the Chinese medical advisory board has suggested chloroquine inclusion in the SARS-CoV-2 treatment guidelines.
Korean physicians treating the patients infected with the new coronavirus (COVID-19) have established the treatment guidelines for the unpreceded coronavirus.
The key guidelines are as following; healthy patients with no existing disease do not need an administration of an antiviral drug, and, once physicians decide on the use of antiviral treatment, they should do so as quickly as possible.
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For the antiviral treatment, the doctors recommended lopinavir 400mg/ritonavir 100mg (Kaletra two tablets, twice a day) or chloroquine 500mg orally per day.
As chloroquine is not available in Korea, doctors could consider hydroxychloroquine 400mg orally per day, they said. There is no evidence that using lopinavir/ritonavir with chloroquine is more effective than monotherapies, they added.
Combining lopinavir/ritonavir with chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine could cause serious arrhythmias and drug interactions due to the increased QT interval, the task force said. Thus, the combination should be administered cautiously, in a very limited case, it emphasized.
It's just quinine. I ordered some last week. 9 of 10 places were sold out. And this was before chump's announcement. "They" have had some success. It is easy stuff to OD on though. Will be good to have some if it turns out to be needed. 29 bucks free shipping. No biggee. I have talked to my Doc about it and she offered to prescribe.
It's somewhat unprecedented that a potential cure for millions has been met with such disdain from one side of the political aisle, why do you suppose that might be? Curious to say the least...certainly different than anything I can recall.
the fact that overdose is possible with a drug does not mean its a bad drug or shouldnt be used. its on the WHO model list of essential medicines, which "contains the medications considered to be most effective and safe to meet the most important needs in a health system." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHO_Model_List_of_Essential_Medicines#Anti...
trump didnt tell people to take it, he mentioned a drug which is showing some promise as a treatment. yes, he probably shouldnt have named the drug, which has led people to start buying it up, and has led people to hurt themselves, and yes, in typical trump fashion he is exaggerating, but to say trump is telling people to take an ineffective and dangerous drug to treat coronavirus is silly - it shows promise, the fda and many other government/medical/academic groups are currently investigating it as a coronavirus treatment.
he obviously should have known not to mention the name of a specific drug to a population that is stupid enough to hoard toilet paper. the info was already public before he said anything, folks who want to read and learn about these types of things have already heard about the drug, and obviously mentioning it in the way he did to a panicked public was unnecessary and stupid, but this drug could potentially save people's lives and relieve strain on the hospital system.
personally, im confident in my ability to find the dose i would need to take and measure it properly in order to not overdose and make sure im taking an effective dose, but IMO when you are talking about a brand new virus, where people are learning new things every day, and there is so little research or experience to go on, i wouldnt be comfortable self medicating with any kind of drug that has strong effects on the immune system unless i was in serious danger of death or permanent effects on the body...and if ive gotten to that point, ill likely be in the hospital, possibly hooked up to a ventilator, and in no position to carry out self medication under the noses of the doctors caring for me.
If this "potential cure for millions" actually cures millions, that would be wonderful. Trump suggested to reporters that the FDA had just cleared the drug specifically for the viral pandemic spreading in communities across the U.S. That would mean that the drug had met the FDA's standards for safety and effectiveness. As per Donald “If chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine works, or any of the other things that they're looking at that are not quite as far out ... your numbers are going to come down very rapidly.”
The drugs he is referring to are for treatment in patients already infected. That doesn't prevent spread of the virus. One study is testing chloroquine to try to protect health care workers at highest risk of infection, because a vaccine is likely a year or more away.
FDA Commissioner Dr. Stephen Hahn emphasized that the drug still needs testing to determine if it can help patients. He said chloroquine would have to be tested in “a large pragmatic clinical trial to actually gather that information.”
this is interesting...looks like a company called rising pharmaceuticals raised the price of their chloroquinine tablets by 98% between dec 2019 and jan 2020.
WASHINGTON — A company that makes a medication increasingly touted as a promising coronavirus treatment, known as chloroquine, doubled the drug’s price in late 2019 — but says it has now cut the price in half, to its original level, in response to the pandemic.
Rising Pharmaceuticals, a New Jersey-based drug company, hiked the price of its chloroquine phosphate tablets 98% between December 2019 and January 2020, according to data provided to STAT by the publishing and analytics company Elsevier, from roughly $3.87 to $7.66 for a 250-milligram tablet.
they hiked the price by 98% right at the onset of the coronavirus pandemic, and now amidst mass global crisis they have "cut the price in half", lowering it to where it was before, and of course there are plenty of stories like this one, from a site called "BusinessWire - A Berkshire Hathaway Company", that fail to mention in any way the price hike at the onset of the pandemic, and instead frame it as if the company has altruisticly halved the price, along with donating a million doses to government agencies.
just last year, on dec 3 2019, the justice department released this memo -
Rising Pharmaceuticals Inc. (Rising), a generic pharmaceutical company headquartered in New Jersey, was charged for conspiring to fix prices and allocate customers for a generic hypertension drug, the Department of Justice announced today.
According to a one-count felony charge filed today in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, from about April 2014 until at least September 2015, Rising participated in a criminal antitrust conspiracy with a competing manufacturer of generic drugs and its executives to fix prices and allocate customers for Benazepril HCTZ, a medicine used to treat hypertension. This charge is the fourth in the Department of Justice’s Antitrust Division’s ongoing criminal investigation in the generic pharmaceuticals industry; previously, two executives were charged and pleaded guilty to criminal antitrust violations, and a corporation, Heritage Pharmaceuticals Inc., was charged and entered into a deferred prosecution agreement with the Antitrust Division.
again, liddle, the jim jones image implies trump is telling people to take a deadly drug that will not have the desired results, when in fact he stupidly named, and exaggerated the medical consensus of, a drug that is safe when used under medical supervision and may have significant effects on sarscov2.
why are you guys making me defend trump? cut this shit out, i do not want to be in a situation where i have to defend trump. please stop being stupid and read the medical literature or dont comment on matters involving pharmacology.
at this point donald trump is smarter than you guys. let that sink in. according to the medical literature and experiences of many doctors around the globe, donald trump is right and you are wrong. please let that sink in and consider refraining from commenting on subjects related to pharmacology if you cant even be bothered to spend 10 or 20min searching medical journals for the name of a 70 year old drug.
There are currently no antiviral drugs licensed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to treat COVID-19. Some in-vitro or in-vivo studies suggest potential therapeutic activity of some agents against related coronaviruses, but there are no available data from observational studies or randomized controlled trials in humans to support recommending any investigational therapeutics for patients with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 at this time.
drugs do not magically gain a mechanism of action when the FDA approves it - there are many things related to drugs, that im assuming we all accept as fact, despite it not being approved by the fda or verified by clinical trials when it comes to recreational drugs like cannabis or LSD. saying that a drug is not FDA approved to treat a certain condition is not an argument against that drug potentially being able to treat a certian condition. cannabis obviously helps people with insomnia, helps people with anxiety, helps people with glaucoma, and helps people deal with the side effects of chemo - but cannabis is not fda approved for any of those things. does that mean we should jump down the throats of anyone who claims cannabis helps them sleep at night? of course not! obviously cannabis helps people sleep at night, and just like in this case with chloroquine and covid19, there would be a huge difference between a govt official saying "cannabis may help with insomnia, it looks very promising and is being investigated by the fda", and a govt official saying "cannabis is a cure for insomnia and americans should seek it out and use it". the first statement is an objective fact, drawing on what limited peer reviewed data we have, and the second statement is both blatantly false and is explicitly encouraging people to self medicate with a drug that may have negative consequences.
there is nothing wrong with suggesting a drug that has been FDA approved for a different condition is being investigated for efficacy and safety against sarscov2, and that it shows promise.
again, i do think he perhaps shouldnt have named the drug in the midst of a crisis that is already inducing panic and hoarding among the general population, and like with many subjects he is painting the situation as much better than it currently is - but on the other hand, should the president of the united states have to censor basic medical info from his press briefings on what may be the largest medical crisis of our time, because a small group of people are stupid enough to self medicate for a virus nobody understands yet, with a drug they themselves dont understand, and to not properly measure the doses of said drug?
some people will always be stupid - you can overdose and die or cause serious lasting health effects with drugs we use every day - tylenol, caffine, dextromethorphan, even water. the potential for death or danger does not preclude a drug from being a safe and effective medical treatment, food item, recreational drug or nutritional supplement.
why should the government censor information that may be interesting or useful to me and millions of other americans, just because of a small handful of stupid people?
im not trying to say people should self medicate, or doctors should start using it on covid patients who are generally expected to make a full recovery without first undergoing clinical trials, but the trails for treating covid with this drug should be massivley expidited, and those who are expected to die of covid should have the opportunity to take this drug.
The FDA has been working closely with other government agencies and academic centers that are investigating the use of the drug chloroquine, which is already approved for treating malaria, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, to determine whether it can be used to treat patients with mild-to-moderate COVID-19 to potentially reduce the duration of symptoms, as well as viral shedding, which can help prevent the spread of disease. Studies are underway to determine the efficacy in using chloroquine to treat COVID-19.
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"Disseminating information about promising off-label uses of drugs we already have, investigating their effectiveness, and pursuing other therapeutics will help give American healthcare providers the tools they need to save lives. As we have always seen when America has faced a serious threat, American industry, academic institutions and government are coming together to deliver us what we need to win.” (HHS Secretary Alex Azar)
>>> according to the medical literature and experiences of many doctors around the globe, donald trump is right and you are wrong.
Larry, unless you have a different interpretation of "medical literature" than I do, I find the CDC rather definitive on this one.
Regardless of my accuracy....Donald is a moron, you should know better.
from the CDC: "...but there are no available data from observational studies or randomized controlled trials in humans to support recommending any investigational therapeutics for patients with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 at this time."
"...but there are no available data from observational studies or randomized controlled trials in humans to support recommending any investigational therapeutics for patients with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 at this time."
of course. chloroquine has not been investigated enough to use as a treatment. yes, donald is a moron.
however, that cholorquine is being looked at to treat sarscov2, and is one of the most promising drugs currently being investigated, is an objective fact. trump did not recommend people or doctors use this drug, he just mentioned it was being looked at and potentially rushed thru the regulatory process. so technically, those who are saying this drug is snake oil, has no evidence behind it, or that his specific statement on cholorquine is evidence of how stupid he is, are objectively wrong, and donald trump, who said chloroquine is a very promising potential treatment for sarscov2, is objectivley correct, according to the medical literature.
my definition of medical literature is peer reviewed studies and journal articles. press releases by the cdc or fda are by definition, not medical literature. in my first post in this thread i linked to several peer reviewed studies published in major medical journals about the possible efficacy of chloroquine against sarscov2. i do also find the cdc an invaluble and trustworthy resource, but generally when someone refers to medical literature they are talking about peer reviewed studies or clinical trials that have been published in major medical journals.
donald did not disagree with the cdc. both donald and the statement you quoted from the cdc are correct. there is currently not enough evidence to prescribe any treatments for sarscov2, however, cholorquine is showing alot of promise, and those clinical trials are likely forthcoming.
I was incorrect to cite the CDC as saying "anything".
This is the exact language:
"...there are no available data from observational studies or randomized controlled trials in humans to support recommending any investigational therapeutics for patients with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 at this time."
because a doctor, or agency like the fda or cdc cannot recommend or prescribe a substance that has not undergone clinical trials. "recommend" is a specific term with specific implications when it is applied to doctors/medicine. so because there are no clinical trials yet, they cannot recommend that people use it or physicians prescribe it. the fact that they do not or cannot reccomend a drug does not mean it wont be effective, and it does not mean there isnt any evidence it will be effective, it just means clinical trials have not been done yet.
in the process of drug development, there are many phases of study before clinical trials, much like the studies i linked to above. so right now the drug is showing promise, and many people are hopeful about it due to the studies that have been done, but the fda or cdc as a matter of procedure will not officially recommend any drug that has not undergone clinical trials.
so the drug both shows promise as a potential sarscov2 treatment, and cannot be reccomended by the cdc as a treatment because clinical trials have not been done yet.
china doesn't include asymptomatic in it's case count.
Canada is still fumbling over all the same shit we are. The provinces aren't too thrilled trudeau hasn't even declared state of emergency. Indigenous leaders are telling their people 'we are on our own' expecting more of the same.
My wife has been taking the drug for rheumatoid arthritis and now she currently can't get it as every jackass asked their doctor to prescribe it. What's even worse is their doctors gave them a script. Talk about unethical.
My wife has been taking the drug for rheumatoid arthritis and now she currently can't get it as every jackass asked their doctor to prescribe it.
you should ask markd to send you his, thats exactly what he did.
jokes aside if you really need it, there is a site that sells obscure nootropics has stocked chloroquine phosphate. https://newmind.com/antivirals.html
i have not gotten this from them but ive gotten obscure nootropics from these guys and they are top notch, they have an incredible reputation among nootropic users.
maybe this sounds crazy to someone who hasnt spent their entire adult life buying and consuming experimental drugs bought from shady sources online,but its pretty standard fare in my line of work. if u cant get the approved acct to buy it lmk ill help u out. if i thought i needed it, this is what id do to get the drug,but im not convinced its effective and dont really see much risk of me getting the virus anyhow.
About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died too, but the difference between that group and usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.
Hydroxychloroquine made no difference in the need for a breathing machine, either.
Researchers did not track side effects, but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.
According to the study posted Tuesday on medrxiv.org, 27.8% of VA patients given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11.4% of those getting routine care alone.
A reported 22.1% of patients who received hydroxychloroquine along with the antibiotic azithromycin died, too.
Any second thoughts on your claim that the medical literature supported your point of view?
not really...the early studies and literature are what they are - promising and worthy of more consideration but not conclusive. the conclusive final results being positive or negative dont change the early reports. i never said i thought it would surely be effective or that people should take it, just that it was worthy of consideration, and it seemed like lots of folks were discounting it just because it was mentioned by trump.
on that note, its interesting that a few weeks ago many folks discounted studies in favor of the drug because they were not clinical trials, and now are acting like its case closed with this new study - which isnt a clinical trial or definitive either, and they say as much in the conclusion of the study -
An association of increased overall mortality was identified in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine alone. These findings highlight the importance of awaiting the results of ongoing prospective, randomized, controlled studies before widespread adoption of these drugs.
the study does not appear to have any controls for things like the possibility that those given hcq were in worse shape than those who weren't to begin with, thus being given an experimental drug.
it seems like reports of heart issues are becoming more common...id be curious to find out why, since its taken for other issues pretty commonly.
"Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light. And I think you said that hasn't been checked, but we're going to test it,” Trump said. “And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, either through the skin or some other way."
“And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and does a tremendous number on the lungs,” Trump continued.
“It would be interesting to check that. That you're gonna have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me, so we’ll see."
At the briefing, William Bryan, under secretary for Science and Technology at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), discussed preliminary government research indicating that “heat and humidity suppress Covid-19” and “commonly available disinfectants work to kill the virus.”
After Bryan’s presentation, Trump took to the podium and made a deeply bizarre inference.
“Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light ... and then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re gonna test that,” Trump said, addressing Bryan. “And then I see disinfectant, where it knocks it [coronavirus] out in a minute — one minute — and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that. So, that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.”
Media erupt over Trump comments on disinfectant and sunlight to cure coronavirus: Here's what he said
President Trump, in his White House coronavirus task force briefing Thursday, appeared to suggestthat light and disinfectants might have the potential to treat the coronavirus — prompting a number of stories condemning the comments, others seeking to defend the president and a scathing tweet from presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.
there are actually several reputable peer reviewed studies showing the efficacy of disinfectant injections. no clinical trials yet tho. ill get some citations together and post them in a moment.
not to worry, these syringes full of disinfectants can just be reused, or at least that's "a rumor I heard". Or just leave them out in the sunlight as Dear Leader said it will kill viruses.
Friday somewhere around 5:40, it was time for the daily two hour campaign rally, self aggrandizing let the world know the luminous contemplations of our stable genius's medicine show. Sure last nights convocation was gonna b difficult to top. Still in the old days, after half hearted attempts to walk stuff back (for a few), retrogression was sure to follow.
Starting with a short pre written unrelieved yawn, our warrior and chief then let Stephen Hahn discuss progress towards expanding testing. Hahn even took a single question from reporters. Next up was Mike Pence. He spoke for several minutes, recounting his discussions with state governors. According to my program notes, now comes the fun portion of the medicine show. The Q & A with fake news.
Instead, with Pence declaring that "we're one team, one mission" and predicting that "the day will soon come when we will heal our land," the trio exited the briefing room, ignoring shouted questions from reporters.
Wait, what just happened? Was it something that someone said?
Hot August Night
And the leaves hanging down
And the cloraquin on the ground smellin' sweet
Move up the road to the outside of town
And the sound of that good gospel beat
Sits a ragged tent
Where there ain't no trees
And that gospel group tellin' you and me
It's Love, Brother Trump, say
Brother Trumps Traveling Salvation Show
Pack up the babies and feel up the old ladies
And ev'ryone goes, 'cause everyone knows
Brother Trumps show
My friend in Maine just lost her Dad to Covid 19, err one of Dr Donnie's bogus cures. She's an attorney and I trust she's going to sue the idiot doctor
she posted this today - her Dad died 2 days ago
>Trying not to think about the fact that my Dad was given hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID when he was asymptomatic. And when he weighed less than 110 lbs, where use is even more contraindicated. And died of multiple organ failure a few days later.
Ozone is not bleach Jaz. I thought we covered that yrs ago.<<<
Haha, I remember that debate,Mark. In the HepC folder in the old zone.
That quack Doctor that was operating in Mexico because he had his license revoked in California was on a soapbox claiming he could cure Hep C with ozone gas.
I just finished the interferon-s and was passionate at the time.
Well ozone is still bleach.
Ozone Delignification/Bleaching
Advantages with ozone as a bleaching agent:
A powerful oxidant already at low temperature
Fast reactions, a short retention time (as a small reactor) is sufficient
Possibility of recycling filtrates to chemical recovery
Efficient delignification of all types of chemical pulps.
Ozone was introduced as a bleaching chemical on industrial scale in the beginning of the 1990s. The primary driving force was to achieve full pulp brightness without using of chlorine containing chemicals. Today ozone is used in both TCF and ECF bleaching. Since ozone is a powerful bleaching agent it means reduced consumption of other bleaching chemicals.
There is no way he's defying all the doctors and actually taking that drug.
He's banking on the fact that he's the most protected person in the world and won't get the virus, and then saying it was specifically because he took the chloroquine, ".... and see? It worked, and no side effects! As always, I WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!"
It's nothing short of bizarre how he simply can not allow anyone to dispute him, about anything. By God he's said that chloroquine is good, so it IS good, and he'll prove it by (pretending) to take it.
This is just like when he took the marker to the hurricane map, except this is far more dangerous. He simply refuses to be disputed about anything.
I think it's a distraction from the firing of the IG on Friday night because he was investigating an arms deal between Pompeo, Trump, UAE and Saudi Arabia. He got close and then he got sacked. Something smells bad.
He is going to get us all killed or at least try. Once he realizes that his path to victory in November is non-existent and that SDNY is locked and loaded with indictments immediately after his term; he will do something insane and burn the proverbial house down rather than face the music.
i can not recall when this country has ever been so polarized before(I wasn't around for the civil war) / diametrically distant and having no middle ground
“As far as the President is concerned…he’s our president and I would rather he not be taking something that has not been approved by the scientists, especially in his age group and in his, shall we say, weight group–morbidly obese, they say,” Pelosi told CNN anchor Anderson Cooper.
I imagine a lot of nutjobs are doing to stomp into their doctor's office demanding a prescription for this drug now.
I don't believe Trump's taking it. His family owns stock in the pharma company that produces it. And the loonies have been hyping this drug as the greatest of all time for weeks. It's merely a political ploy, and one he can profit from.
"I didn't know that he would be so sensitive. He's always talking about other people's ... their weight, their pounds," Pelosi said during an interview Tuesday with MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace.
"I think he should recognize that his words weigh a ton.
>In late March, the Trump administration authorized the deployment of members of the National Guard to help local authorities conduct coronavirus tests, set up field hospitals, and perform other critical public health tasks that carried a risk of infection. More than 40,000 service members have been deployed in total, but Politico now reports that they will all be recalled on June 24—one day before the first group sent into the field would reach the 90-day active-duty minimum that’s required to qualify for GI Bill education benefits and for a retirement benefit that was also created in 2008. Says the news site (the “official” is a FEMA staffer):
>>>>Ya gotta admit. Clump is waggin CNN like a streetwalker wags her hips.
Yep. While CNN is going nuts about that, at least Fox picked up on how Trump just quietly issued an executive order to make many of the Covid pandemic "emergency" regulatory rollbacks permanent:
Lancet Retracts Paper that Halted Hydroxychloroquine Trials
The journal’s editor, Richard Horton, said he was appalled by developments. “This is a shocking example of research misconduct in the middle of a global health emergency,” he told the Guardian.
Ohio Dept of Health BANS hydroxychloroquine in treating COVID19
From the Ohio Department of Health: On July 30, 2020, Board of Pharmacy rule 4729:5-5-21 of the Administrative Code goes into effect. In general, the rule prohibits all terminal distributors (including pharmacist, prescriber clinics, out-of-state pharmacies, and institutional facilities) from selling or dispensing hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19. Please be advised that this rule replaces emergency rule 4729-5-30.2 and that all approvals for the use of these medications made under that rule are no longer applicable.
not sure how much more out of control things can spin. feeling uneasy between the racists, quack doctors, more dead than 2 vietnam's and the biggest election in 200 years upon our doorsteps.
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Fauci not there to say no,
Fauci not there to say no, replaced by Bill Barr.
Feeling better, America?
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I blame Reagan.
I blame Reagan.
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Cow piss rules!
Cow piss rules!
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We are so fucked with this
We are so fucked with this moron in charge.
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@Fitzman, If you have a
@Fitzman, If you have a better solution please tell us all! lol
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Can only hope that Stable
Can only hope that Stable Genius takes his own bogus advice
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FT's coronovirus coverage is
FT's coronovirus coverage is now outside the paywall.
https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest
Today's update:
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https://www.newyorker.com
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/dr-fauci-reports-that-alcohol-may-help-people-survive-coronavirus-briefings
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In vitro inhibition of severe
In vitro inhibition of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus by chloroquine - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006291X0401839X?via%...
New insights on the antiviral effects of chloroquine against coronavirus: what to expect for COVID-19? - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300881?via%...
Physicians work out treatment guidelines for coronavirus - http://m.koreabiomed.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=7428
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This is extremely compelling evidence...
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/a-man-with-coronavirus-who-works-in-la...
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....and for the prosecution,
....and for the prosecution, so is this:
unreal sheeple out there!
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more like "game-over"...
more like "game-over"...
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It's just quinine. I ordered
It's just quinine. I ordered some last week. 9 of 10 places were sold out. And this was before chump's announcement. "They" have had some success. It is easy stuff to OD on though. Will be good to have some if it turns out to be needed. 29 bucks free shipping. No biggee. I have talked to my Doc about it and she offered to prescribe.
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It's somewhat unprecedented that a potential cure for millions has been met with such disdain from one side of the political aisle, why do you suppose that might be? Curious to say the least...certainly different than anything I can recall.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/186Bel9RqfsmEx55FDum4xY_IlWSHnGbj/view
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the fact that overdose is
the fact that overdose is possible with a drug does not mean its a bad drug or shouldnt be used. its on the WHO model list of essential medicines, which "contains the medications considered to be most effective and safe to meet the most important needs in a health system." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHO_Model_List_of_Essential_Medicines#Anti...
trump didnt tell people to take it, he mentioned a drug which is showing some promise as a treatment. yes, he probably shouldnt have named the drug, which has led people to start buying it up, and has led people to hurt themselves, and yes, in typical trump fashion he is exaggerating, but to say trump is telling people to take an ineffective and dangerous drug to treat coronavirus is silly - it shows promise, the fda and many other government/medical/academic groups are currently investigating it as a coronavirus treatment.
he obviously should have known not to mention the name of a specific drug to a population that is stupid enough to hoard toilet paper. the info was already public before he said anything, folks who want to read and learn about these types of things have already heard about the drug, and obviously mentioning it in the way he did to a panicked public was unnecessary and stupid, but this drug could potentially save people's lives and relieve strain on the hospital system.
personally, im confident in my ability to find the dose i would need to take and measure it properly in order to not overdose and make sure im taking an effective dose, but IMO when you are talking about a brand new virus, where people are learning new things every day, and there is so little research or experience to go on, i wouldnt be comfortable self medicating with any kind of drug that has strong effects on the immune system unless i was in serious danger of death or permanent effects on the body...and if ive gotten to that point, ill likely be in the hospital, possibly hooked up to a ventilator, and in no position to carry out self medication under the noses of the doctors caring for me.
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If this "potential cure for
If this "potential cure for millions" actually cures millions, that would be wonderful. Trump suggested to reporters that the FDA had just cleared the drug specifically for the viral pandemic spreading in communities across the U.S. That would mean that the drug had met the FDA's standards for safety and effectiveness. As per Donald “If chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine works, or any of the other things that they're looking at that are not quite as far out ... your numbers are going to come down very rapidly.”
The drugs he is referring to are for treatment in patients already infected. That doesn't prevent spread of the virus. One study is testing chloroquine to try to protect health care workers at highest risk of infection, because a vaccine is likely a year or more away.
FDA Commissioner Dr. Stephen Hahn emphasized that the drug still needs testing to determine if it can help patients. He said chloroquine would have to be tested in “a large pragmatic clinical trial to actually gather that information.”
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this is interesting...looks
this is interesting...looks like a company called rising pharmaceuticals raised the price of their chloroquinine tablets by 98% between dec 2019 and jan 2020.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/19/a-drug-maker-recently-doubled-the-pr...
they hiked the price by 98% right at the onset of the coronavirus pandemic, and now amidst mass global crisis they have "cut the price in half", lowering it to where it was before, and of course there are plenty of stories like this one, from a site called "BusinessWire - A Berkshire Hathaway Company", that fail to mention in any way the price hike at the onset of the pandemic, and instead frame it as if the company has altruisticly halved the price, along with donating a million doses to government agencies.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200320005458/en/Rising-Pharmace...
just last year, on dec 3 2019, the justice department released this memo -
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/second-pharmaceutical-company-admits-pric...
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https://www.washingtonpost
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/24/coronavirus-chloroquine...
One dead and his wife is sick
sad, and stupid all rolled into one
I really think health care should come after we start educating again
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic
One dead and his wife is sick
One dead and his wife is sick<<
It's always nice when two special people find each other.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway
again, liddle, the jim jones
again, liddle, the jim jones image implies trump is telling people to take a deadly drug that will not have the desired results, when in fact he stupidly named, and exaggerated the medical consensus of, a drug that is safe when used under medical supervision and may have significant effects on sarscov2.
why are you guys making me defend trump? cut this shit out, i do not want to be in a situation where i have to defend trump. please stop being stupid and read the medical literature or dont comment on matters involving pharmacology.
at this point donald trump is smarter than you guys. let that sink in. according to the medical literature and experiences of many doctors around the globe, donald trump is right and you are wrong. please let that sink in and consider refraining from commenting on subjects related to pharmacology if you cant even be bothered to spend 10 or 20min searching medical journals for the name of a 70 year old drug.
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haha nice one
haha nice one
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How much stock do you think
How much stock do you think trump has in Big Pharma these days?
How much are Jared and Company going to profit from Cornavirus testing?
...asking for a Nation.
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Orange Whip?
Orange Whip?
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I Cant wait For Ten Years
I Cant wait For Ten Years from Now Trump will Be So Fucked Up IF He lives That Long.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
https://www.cdc.gov
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/faq.html
There are currently no antiviral drugs licensed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to treat COVID-19. Some in-vitro or in-vivo studies suggest potential therapeutic activity of some agents against related coronaviruses, but there are no available data from observational studies or randomized controlled trials in humans to support recommending any investigational therapeutics for patients with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 at this time.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway
drugs do not magically gain a
drugs do not magically gain a mechanism of action when the FDA approves it - there are many things related to drugs, that im assuming we all accept as fact, despite it not being approved by the fda or verified by clinical trials when it comes to recreational drugs like cannabis or LSD. saying that a drug is not FDA approved to treat a certain condition is not an argument against that drug potentially being able to treat a certian condition. cannabis obviously helps people with insomnia, helps people with anxiety, helps people with glaucoma, and helps people deal with the side effects of chemo - but cannabis is not fda approved for any of those things. does that mean we should jump down the throats of anyone who claims cannabis helps them sleep at night? of course not! obviously cannabis helps people sleep at night, and just like in this case with chloroquine and covid19, there would be a huge difference between a govt official saying "cannabis may help with insomnia, it looks very promising and is being investigated by the fda", and a govt official saying "cannabis is a cure for insomnia and americans should seek it out and use it". the first statement is an objective fact, drawing on what limited peer reviewed data we have, and the second statement is both blatantly false and is explicitly encouraging people to self medicate with a drug that may have negative consequences.
there is nothing wrong with suggesting a drug that has been FDA approved for a different condition is being investigated for efficacy and safety against sarscov2, and that it shows promise.
again, i do think he perhaps shouldnt have named the drug in the midst of a crisis that is already inducing panic and hoarding among the general population, and like with many subjects he is painting the situation as much better than it currently is - but on the other hand, should the president of the united states have to censor basic medical info from his press briefings on what may be the largest medical crisis of our time, because a small group of people are stupid enough to self medicate for a virus nobody understands yet, with a drug they themselves dont understand, and to not properly measure the doses of said drug?
some people will always be stupid - you can overdose and die or cause serious lasting health effects with drugs we use every day - tylenol, caffine, dextromethorphan, even water. the potential for death or danger does not preclude a drug from being a safe and effective medical treatment, food item, recreational drug or nutritional supplement.
why should the government censor information that may be interesting or useful to me and millions of other americans, just because of a small handful of stupid people?
im not trying to say people should self medicate, or doctors should start using it on covid patients who are generally expected to make a full recovery without first undergoing clinical trials, but the trails for treating covid with this drug should be massivley expidited, and those who are expected to die of covid should have the opportunity to take this drug.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
>>> according to the
>>> according to the medical literature and experiences of many doctors around the globe, donald trump is right and you are wrong.
Larry, unless you have a different interpretation of "medical literature" than I do, I find the CDC rather definitive on this one.
Regardless of my accuracy....Donald is a moron, you should know better.
from the CDC: "...but there are no available data from observational studies or randomized controlled trials in humans to support recommending any investigational therapeutics for patients with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 at this time."
Is Donald right to disagree with the CDC?
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"...but there are no
of course. chloroquine has not been investigated enough to use as a treatment. yes, donald is a moron.
however, that cholorquine is being looked at to treat sarscov2, and is one of the most promising drugs currently being investigated, is an objective fact. trump did not recommend people or doctors use this drug, he just mentioned it was being looked at and potentially rushed thru the regulatory process. so technically, those who are saying this drug is snake oil, has no evidence behind it, or that his specific statement on cholorquine is evidence of how stupid he is, are objectively wrong, and donald trump, who said chloroquine is a very promising potential treatment for sarscov2, is objectivley correct, according to the medical literature.
my definition of medical literature is peer reviewed studies and journal articles. press releases by the cdc or fda are by definition, not medical literature. in my first post in this thread i linked to several peer reviewed studies published in major medical journals about the possible efficacy of chloroquine against sarscov2. i do also find the cdc an invaluble and trustworthy resource, but generally when someone refers to medical literature they are talking about peer reviewed studies or clinical trials that have been published in major medical journals.
donald did not disagree with the cdc. both donald and the statement you quoted from the cdc are correct. there is currently not enough evidence to prescribe any treatments for sarscov2, however, cholorquine is showing alot of promise, and those clinical trials are likely forthcoming.
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please stop making me defend
please stop making me defend donald trump. i hate this.
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i think it will be..
i think it will be..
i hope it is...
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please stop making me defend
please stop making me defend donald trump. i hate this.<<<
Dig it.
Quinine ? The same stuff we grew up hearing about pygmy natives and poison darts.
.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
Larry, those articles were
CDC says "no studies to support recommending "anything" on COVID-19.
You cite two studies.
One is from 2004, and involves a different virus: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006291X0401839X?via%...
"In vitro inhibition of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus by chloroquine"
The other: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300881?via%...
states this:
"Preliminary trials of chloroquine repurposing in the treatment of COVID-19 in China have been encouraging, leading to several new trials."
(This paper was not peer reviewed, it was invited, and does not provide any original research findings)
How is the CDC wrong and Donald right again?
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the guy behind trump looks
the guy behind trump looks like he just remembered he left the stove on....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
I was incorrect to cite the
I was incorrect to cite the CDC as saying "anything".
This is the exact language:
"...there are no available data from observational studies or randomized controlled trials in humans to support recommending any investigational therapeutics for patients with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 at this time."
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How is the CDC wrong and
because a doctor, or agency like the fda or cdc cannot recommend or prescribe a substance that has not undergone clinical trials. "recommend" is a specific term with specific implications when it is applied to doctors/medicine. so because there are no clinical trials yet, they cannot recommend that people use it or physicians prescribe it. the fact that they do not or cannot reccomend a drug does not mean it wont be effective, and it does not mean there isnt any evidence it will be effective, it just means clinical trials have not been done yet.
in the process of drug development, there are many phases of study before clinical trials, much like the studies i linked to above. so right now the drug is showing promise, and many people are hopeful about it due to the studies that have been done, but the fda or cdc as a matter of procedure will not officially recommend any drug that has not undergone clinical trials.
so the drug both shows promise as a potential sarscov2 treatment, and cannot be reccomended by the cdc as a treatment because clinical trials have not been done yet.
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china doesn't include
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Denny
Need start drinking gin and
Need start drinking gin and tonics like they did during the British empire to stage off malaria in India.
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What have you got to lose....
What have you got to lose....
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Exactly. Do we have go to the
Exactly. Do we have go to the video of Trump actually saying "what do you have to lose"? I guess we do to appease some people:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-again-touts-unproven-drug-to-tre...
My wife has been taking the drug for rheumatoid arthritis and now she currently can't get it as every jackass asked their doctor to prescribe it. What's even worse is their doctors gave them a script. Talk about unethical.
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My wife has been taking the
you should ask markd to send you his, thats exactly what he did.
jokes aside if you really need it, there is a site that sells obscure nootropics has stocked chloroquine phosphate. https://newmind.com/antivirals.html
i have not gotten this from them but ive gotten obscure nootropics from these guys and they are top notch, they have an incredible reputation among nootropic users.
get a mg scale to properly measure and youre good to go. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=mg+scale&crid=Q8I71D6NY0QD&sprefix=mg+%2Caps%...
maybe this sounds crazy to someone who hasnt spent their entire adult life buying and consuming experimental drugs bought from shady sources online,but its pretty standard fare in my line of work. if u cant get the approved acct to buy it lmk ill help u out. if i thought i needed it, this is what id do to get the drug,but im not convinced its effective and dont really see much risk of me getting the virus anyhow.
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1 part Rum
1 part Rum
1 ½ parts Pineapple juice
½ part Coconut cream
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: whats that irratating buzz, must
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/21/more-deaths-no-benefit-from-malaria-drug...
About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died too, but the difference between that group and usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.
Hydroxychloroquine made no difference in the need for a breathing machine, either.
Researchers did not track side effects, but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.
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Pretty sure this shit killed
Pretty sure this shit killed my wife's aunt. And who know how many more?
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My vote = Hendricks and Tonic
My vote = Hendricks and Tonic. I like the herbaceous vegetable gins with my high-fructose corn syrup tonic.
What have you got to lose?
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Dr. Richard Bright
Dr. Rick Bright didn't want to drink the kool aid, and was abruptly reassigned to lesser position...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/politics/read-whistleblower-vaccine-development/index.html
Trump "Never heard of Him"
of course...
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Hey Larry:
Hey Larry:
"clearly lack scientific merit"
Any second thoughts on your claim that the medical literature supported your point of view?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
https://www.nytimes.com/2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/business/media/virus-fox-news-hydroxychloroquine.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-more-deaths-no-efficacy-of-malaria-drug-found-in-coronavirus-study-20200421-v4k45zwp5zc57dobqsa4xqexea-story.html
According to the study posted Tuesday on medrxiv.org, 27.8% of VA patients given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11.4% of those getting routine care alone.
A reported 22.1% of patients who received hydroxychloroquine along with the antibiotic azithromycin died, too.
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Any second thoughts on your
not really...the early studies and literature are what they are - promising and worthy of more consideration but not conclusive. the conclusive final results being positive or negative dont change the early reports. i never said i thought it would surely be effective or that people should take it, just that it was worthy of consideration, and it seemed like lots of folks were discounting it just because it was mentioned by trump.
on that note, its interesting that a few weeks ago many folks discounted studies in favor of the drug because they were not clinical trials, and now are acting like its case closed with this new study - which isnt a clinical trial or definitive either, and they say as much in the conclusion of the study -
the study does not appear to have any controls for things like the possibility that those given hcq were in worse shape than those who weren't to begin with, thus being given an experimental drug.
it seems like reports of heart issues are becoming more common...id be curious to find out why, since its taken for other issues pretty commonly.
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Laura Ingraham
April 22nd, 2020
https://youtu.be/RexUJeWmzSE
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Lotta zoners who like copy
Lotta zoners who like copy and paste in this thread.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway
i wish laura and other fox
i wish laura and other fox hosts would apply that same logic to discussing psychoactive drugs, we might have something there
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meanwhile...
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/23/democrats-pla...
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It doesn't work you idiots.
It doesn't work you idiots.
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JR just translated "clearly
JR just translated "clearly lack scientific merit" into American
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Chloro-o-quine!
Chlor-o-quine!
Stop a lady's heart . . .
Meh. That's all I got. I'm not familiar enough with Tangerine. Melody or lyrics.
Never mind.
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Clorox is the answer: drink
Fuck cholorquine.
Clorox is the answer: drink bleach.
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^ in a tanning booth...
^ in a tanning booth...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
"Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light. And I think you said that hasn't been checked, but we're going to test it,” Trump said. “And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, either through the skin or some other way."
“And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and does a tremendous number on the lungs,” Trump continued.
“It would be interesting to check that. That you're gonna have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me, so we’ll see."
Is that a real quote?
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^ you can't make this shite
^ you can't make this shite up...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/23
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/23/21233628/trump-disinfectant-injections-sunlight-coronavirus-briefing
At the briefing, William Bryan, under secretary for Science and Technology at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), discussed preliminary government research indicating that “heat and humidity suppress Covid-19” and “commonly available disinfectants work to kill the virus.”
After Bryan’s presentation, Trump took to the podium and made a deeply bizarre inference.
“Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light ... and then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re gonna test that,” Trump said, addressing Bryan. “And then I see disinfectant, where it knocks it [coronavirus] out in a minute — one minute — and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that. So, that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.”
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
Ok, chloroquine didn't work.
Ok, chloroquine didn't work.
New idea:
shove a light bulb up your ass and drink bleach
"and then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way."
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha
Is it time to ask "Is the
Is it time to ask "Is the cure worse than the disease?"
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic
Never forget that Republicans
Never forget that Republicans had the opportunity to remove him.
And never let republicans forget.
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Dear leader says inject the
Dear leader says inject the Clorox
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Hahaha ridiculous.
Hahaha ridiculous. Chlorinique. Anyone fluffing it should be ashamed!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: (~)};)StealYourFace
<<<Dear leader says inject
<<<Dear leader says inject the Clorox >>>
but there will be a shortage of syringes...
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poor-mans cure
poor-mans cures
snorting rails of comet
smoking tide pods...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jazfish
Just fucking mainline ozone
Just fucking mainline ozone gas(o3). It'll bleach something.
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omg, I thought this was a
omg, I thought this was a joke.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote
I got your cure right here.
I got your cure right here.
https://youtu.be/BlwG3bTi1TA
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
https://twitter.com/Daniel
https://twitter.com/Daniel_Lewis3/status/1253482576699969537 (CNN)
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Meanwhile here is how Fox is
Meanwhile here is how Fox is reporting it:
Media erupt over Trump comments on disinfectant and sunlight to cure coronavirus: Here's what he said
President Trump, in his White House coronavirus task force briefing Thursday, appeared to suggest that light and disinfectants might have the potential to treat the coronavirus — prompting a number of stories condemning the comments, others seeking to defend the president and a scathing tweet from presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/media-erupt-over-trump-comments-on-disi...
Joseph Goebbels would be proud
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway
there are actually several
there are actually several reputable peer reviewed studies showing the efficacy of disinfectant injections. no clinical trials yet tho. ill get some citations together and post them in a moment.
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just kidding lol
just kidding lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ
Trump better be careful -- he
Trump better be careful -- he will cause a decrease in his voter base.
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It would be fun to come up
It would be fun to come up with some names of Covid Cocktails for the Trumpcultists, just sarcasm of course.
Sex on the Bleach, LongLysol Iced Tea, Clorox Fizz, 409 Collins, Disinefectant Sour..
whatcha got?
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>but there will be a shortage
>but there will be a shortage of syringes...
not to worry, these syringes full of disinfectants can just be reused, or at least that's "a rumor I heard". Or just leave them out in the sunlight as Dear Leader said it will kill viruses.
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PineSol and Ginger.
PineSol and Ginger.
Or just plain "shots" of Lysol served with a reusable Syringe.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote
Coffee with a shot of
Coffee with a shot of disinfectant =covfefe.
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Friday somewhere around six,
Friday somewhere around 5:40, it was time for the daily two hour campaign rally, self aggrandizing let the world know the luminous contemplations of our stable genius's medicine show. Sure last nights convocation was gonna b difficult to top. Still in the old days, after half hearted attempts to walk stuff back (for a few), retrogression was sure to follow.
Starting with a short pre written unrelieved yawn, our warrior and chief then let Stephen Hahn discuss progress towards expanding testing. Hahn even took a single question from reporters. Next up was Mike Pence. He spoke for several minutes, recounting his discussions with state governors. According to my program notes, now comes the fun portion of the medicine show. The Q & A with fake news.
Instead, with Pence declaring that "we're one team, one mission" and predicting that "the day will soon come when we will heal our land," the trio exited the briefing room, ignoring shouted questions from reporters.
Wait, what just happened? Was it something that someone said?
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Bryen
Bryen
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Hot August Night
Hot August Night
And the leaves hanging down
And the cloraquin on the ground smellin' sweet
Move up the road to the outside of town
And the sound of that good gospel beat
Sits a ragged tent
Where there ain't no trees
And that gospel group tellin' you and me
It's Love, Brother Trump, say
Brother Trumps Traveling Salvation Show
Pack up the babies and feel up the old ladies
And ev'ryone goes, 'cause everyone knows
Brother Trumps show
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MarkD
Ozone is not bleach Jaz. I
Ozone is not bleach Jaz. I thought we covered that yrs ago.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch
Just a spoonful of Clorox..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPDPzbLFeP4&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P5fjKOmCD4
disinfectant > inside the body jam
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
My friend in Maine just lost
My friend in Maine just lost her Dad to Covid 19, err one of Dr Donnie's bogus cures. She's an attorney and I trust she's going to sue the idiot doctor
she posted this today - her Dad died 2 days ago
>Trying not to think about the fact that my Dad was given hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID when he was asymptomatic. And when he weighed less than 110 lbs, where use is even more contraindicated. And died of multiple organ failure a few days later.
Trump is an irresponsible, murdering, asshole.
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People that support trump are
i am so sorry Nancy. So much needless suffering and death
People that support trump are assholes / idiots too
republicsns have surrendered to trump
It is very sad how far we have sunk
America is now pitied
read this article Thom:/ bry
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10223359024189314&id=1397473613
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https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPDPzbLFeP4&utm_source=postup&utm_medium...
Spoonful . . . spoonful
j/k
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Ozone is not bleach Jaz. I
Ozone is not bleach Jaz. I thought we covered that yrs ago.<<<
Haha, I remember that debate,Mark. In the HepC folder in the old zone.
That quack Doctor that was operating in Mexico because he had his license revoked in California was on a soapbox claiming he could cure Hep C with ozone gas.
I just finished the interferon-s and was passionate at the time.
Well ozone is still bleach.
Ozone Delignification/Bleaching
Advantages with ozone as a bleaching agent:
A powerful oxidant already at low temperature
Fast reactions, a short retention time (as a small reactor) is sufficient
Possibility of recycling filtrates to chemical recovery
Efficient delignification of all types of chemical pulps.
Ozone was introduced as a bleaching chemical on industrial scale in the beginning of the 1990s. The primary driving force was to achieve full pulp brightness without using of chlorine containing chemicals. Today ozone is used in both TCF and ECF bleaching. Since ozone is a powerful bleaching agent it means reduced consumption of other bleaching chemicals.
https://www.linde-gas.com/en/processes/cleaning_polishing_grinding/bleac...
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Genius image there, Strawbud.
Genius image there, Strawbud.
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Clump says he's droppin the
Clump says he's droppin the chloroquine.
Anyone believe him?
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12 step?
12 step?
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He's lying. There is no way
He's lying.
There is no way he's defying all the doctors and actually taking that drug.
He's banking on the fact that he's the most protected person in the world and won't get the virus, and then saying it was specifically because he took the chloroquine, ".... and see? It worked, and no side effects! As always, I WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!"
It's nothing short of bizarre how he simply can not allow anyone to dispute him, about anything. By God he's said that chloroquine is good, so it IS good, and he'll prove it by (pretending) to take it.
This is just like when he took the marker to the hurricane map, except this is far more dangerous. He simply refuses to be disputed about anything.
He's mentally ill.
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I think it's a distraction
I think it's a distraction from the firing of the IG on Friday night because he was investigating an arms deal between Pompeo, Trump, UAE and Saudi Arabia. He got close and then he got sacked. Something smells bad.
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He is going to get us all
He is going to get us all killed or at least try. Once he realizes that his path to victory in November is non-existent and that SDNY is locked and loaded with indictments immediately after his term; he will do something insane and burn the proverbial house down rather than face the music.
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His supporters
His supporters
support him
that says something, indeed it does
what people prioritize is just bizarre
i can not recall when this country has ever been so polarized before(I wasn't around for the civil war) / diametrically distant and having no middle ground
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I "feel" that I never
I "feel" that I never "thought" I ever "hated" republicans as I do now
all for one, but not one for all...
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there are good aliens, bird
there are good aliens, bird like, who try and help us along with our evolution
there are bad aliens, lizard like, who feed off our discord
It's easier for the lizards to spread their influence on some parts of the planet i.e. the middle east
seems the lizard aliens are winning
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^Would you elaborate, please?
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I blame Phish.
I blame Phish.
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Good call, RRG.
Good call, RRG.
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Nancy for the burn:
Nancy for the burn:
“As far as the President is concerned…he’s our president and I would rather he not be taking something that has not been approved by the scientists, especially in his age group and in his, shall we say, weight group–morbidly obese, they say,” Pelosi told CNN anchor Anderson Cooper.
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this is like when she ripped
this is like when she ripped up his speech, right?
little theatre.
she'll go back to working w/ trump on his agenda today.
sad.
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Highnote,
Highnote,
I was thinking the same thing.
If everyone forgets about the IG debacle by the end of the week, they'll probably get away with it...for now.
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I imagine a lot of nutjobs
I imagine a lot of nutjobs are doing to stomp into their doctor's office demanding a prescription for this drug now.
I don't believe Trump's taking it. His family owns stock in the pharma company that produces it. And the loonies have been hyping this drug as the greatest of all time for weeks. It's merely a political ploy, and one he can profit from.
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Nancy with the follow up:
Nancy with the follow up:
"I didn't know that he would be so sensitive. He's always talking about other people's ... their weight, their pounds," Pelosi said during an interview Tuesday with MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace.
"I think he should recognize that his words weigh a ton.
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https://slate.com/news-and
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/national-guard-deployments-t...
>In late March, the Trump administration authorized the deployment of members of the National Guard to help local authorities conduct coronavirus tests, set up field hospitals, and perform other critical public health tasks that carried a risk of infection. More than 40,000 service members have been deployed in total, but Politico now reports that they will all be recalled on June 24—one day before the first group sent into the field would reach the 90-day active-duty minimum that’s required to qualify for GI Bill education benefits and for a retirement benefit that was also created in 2008. Says the news site (the “official” is a FEMA staffer):
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Ya gotta admit. Clump is
Ya gotta admit. Clump is waggin CNN like a streetwalker wags her hips.
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Fucking proof we are a very
..
Edit, ,,,,
I agree.
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>>>>Ya gotta admit. Clump is
>>>>Ya gotta admit. Clump is waggin CNN like a streetwalker wags her hips.
Yep. While CNN is going nuts about that, at least Fox picked up on how Trump just quietly issued an executive order to make many of the Covid pandemic "emergency" regulatory rollbacks permanent:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-executive-order-to-identify-regul...
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Meanwhile...
Lancet Retracts Paper that Halted Hydroxychloroquine Trials
The journal’s editor, Richard Horton, said he was appalled by developments. “This is a shocking example of research misconduct in the middle of a global health emergency,” he told the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/04/covid-19-lancet-retracts-p...
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https://youtu.be/LahT8PrRlx8
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https://youtu.be/QR6zP6d1KhQ
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listening to an audio book
listening to an audio book today and learned about blackwater fever
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_fever
sounds pretty gruesome
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Good luck Bryen
Good luck Bryen
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:)
:)
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1288232506697842688
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https://twitter.com
https://twitter.com/MichaelSteele/status/1288232919853662208
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https://twitter.com
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1288232383985090561
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https://breaking911.com
https://breaking911.com/breaking-ohio-dept-of-health-bans-hydroxychloroq...
Ohio Dept of Health BANS hydroxychloroquine in treating COVID19
From the Ohio Department of Health: On July 30, 2020, Board of Pharmacy rule 4729:5-5-21 of the Administrative Code goes into effect. In general, the rule prohibits all terminal distributors (including pharmacist, prescriber clinics, out-of-state pharmacies, and institutional facilities) from selling or dispensing hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19. Please be advised that this rule replaces emergency rule 4729-5-30.2 and that all approvals for the use of these medications made under that rule are no longer applicable.
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hi bryen
hi bryen.
any thoughts?
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He is too focused on the
He is too focused on the Obama administration to care
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Joan is moaning
Joan is moaning
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I do hope Thom is OK
I do hope Thom is OK
Just Taking a break
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Reality is a distant concept.
Reality is a distant concept.....
conspiracy and lunatics are comfortable
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not sure how much more out of
not sure how much more out of control things can spin. feeling uneasy between the racists, quack doctors, more dead than 2 vietnam's and the biggest election in 200 years upon our doorsteps.
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>“We just want a
>“We just want a clarification that it is a safe medication,” Martin said. Frontline Doctors
other than the FDA?
i was wondering what happened to Ms. Cleo