New Rules - Democrats Take The Money And Run

Some interesting thoughts, sure to upset the purists. Sometimes reality bites, but it's what we're stuck with. 

^Lol, you really can't get us out of your head can you? 
 

3.4 on the melt, btw

ras is your typical safe white centrist casual racist. 

thinks he's accomplished a decent amount in his life, but also feels certain ethnic groups, african americans, and jews have impeded on his never to be seen success. 

talk about a weak ass freak. little bitch. 

All politicians take your tax money $$$ and legislate the populace into poverty.  That is their job.  They don't actually produce anything except hot air.

I'm always sad to see nice people arguing back and forth regarding their favorite Slug vs. Tapeworm.

I have some Earthworm colonies and they produce Worm Castings;  great for the Soil.  Politicians aren't like that. 

Bill Maher is a douche who doesn't ever say anything tangible, just rants and raves about his own little warped perspective on life. Not responding to his "arguments" is just a symptom of there not being anything to actually discuss. Using his "arguments" as evidence for something is just a desperate attempt at finding validation in the yelling of an alpha-male. It's ok - most primates do it, but please, let's try to be a little more aware of our own biases and just finding some moron to shout them out for us...

Thanks for sharing this, Ras

It's an interesting point that he's making. It all depends on whether, as a politician, you're ok taking money from special interests groups and presumably lying that you'll help them later on down the line.  

Isn't that the rub? The whole quid-pro-quo thing again?

Maher crying over Chris Matthews is razmatarded.

^casual racist. 

always calling names, ras. 

i feel like ras is just eating spoonfuls of dirt right now. 

Uuuh, Obama did plenty to appease his Wall Street overlords + 99% of politicians who take corporate money bend to the will of their corporate masters. Is this really that difficult? Jesus, Ras, go out for a walk and breathe a while...

this is kinda like the thread where ras said rap music isn't allowed in his house. 

In what way pyramid? I'm not up on all of the racism/casual racism allegations but that doesn't seem like a good analogy at all. 

Obama was key in the wall street bailout. Much bigger than any reforms he instigated. Their investment in him paid off huge.

Yeah I've got to agree with Mark here. The premise that Obama took Wall Street money and then "stuck it to them" isn't one that I remember well. 

Was bailing out Wall Street the problem, or rather was it that they didn't have to pay back the money and were allowed to continue doing the shit that was bad in the first place?

Wouldn't it be catastrophic if Wall Street was allowed to fail?

You're right, Ras, it's not difficult to look things up:

Obama wasn’t as tough with Wall Street as he liked to advertise. His attorney generals never prosecuted bank executives, and he never listened to calls to break up the bigger banks. Maybe that’s because he really didn’t mind if the stock market boomed and Wall Street got rich. In fact, looking back, the big banks never had a better friend than Obama.

Dodd-Frank rewrote the rules and Obama’s marquee financial regulation actually helped the big banks. This is because financial giants can easily comply with the new standards while their smaller competitors struggle. And so Obama watched as community banks, institutions that certainly didn’t create the financial crisis, were inevitably crushed under the demanding weight of his regulators.

According to the National Credit Union Administration, 1,250 federally insured credit unions shut their doors between 2010 and 2015, 17 percent of the industry. That meant billions in business for the institutions that could survive Dodd-Frank, and that means a grateful Wall Street.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/obama-made-the-big-banks-rich...

So agro, Ras. I know that participating in big boy conversations is tiring for you but please, if you insist on playing with the big kids, try to be nice. Have you eaten your snack and juice box yet today? It might be time. A nap after lunch will also be helpful for you...

Lol...Say thank you, Wall Street!

I love how Wall Street pays Obama 400k per chat so he can tell them about how much he fought against them....riiiiiiiight....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/barack-oba...

Former President Barack is reportedly set to be paid $1.2m for a series of speeches to major Wall Street firms, less than a year after he left the White House.

Ras, that was really good advice to look things up...

.....mic drop. 

ras, clean it up. 

>>> ....mic drop. <<<
 

you can't even gaslight a mic drop right, lol.
 

Javs, I don't know if you've got propaganda media outlets in your country.

but here in the US.

the Washington Examiner you posted above as a source, is well, propaganda.

maybe it doesn't matter to you?

but here's the media bias fact check.

A) Deny the source if you want, but refuting the evidence it presents is more important. Can you?

B) Ras, you were talking about Obama as some kind of anti-Wall Street crusader. I pointed out that you were wrong. We weren't talking about imagining a world without him or what he did that could be considered good. So for Bill Maher to paint him as some kind of anti-Wall Street president who didn't cave to the pressures of his corporate donors is just plain wrong. Even so, considering the tiny bit of push that he gave against Wall Street, he is definitely the exception and not the rule. One could easily point to many examples of politicians taking corporate money and then dancing to their owners' tune. So yeah, Maher is an idiot who only spouts rhetoric without any kind of significant basis. It's what he's always done. He's a left-wing Donald Trump. Which, hey, if you're into that kind of thing that's your call. 

why would anybody but the bbros/magatts want to discuss obama right now, it's 2020 in the states...

if you didn't no.
 

obama (boo!) did I scare you?
 

thanks man, that was solid.

lol

>>>>why would anybody but the bbros/magatts want to discuss obama right now, it's 2020 in the states...

because it's the premise of this thread? that Obama took money from special interest groups then turned around and fucked them and that's what current politicians should also do 

are you high? 

So much for trying to have a discussion around here 

What the fuck does it matter where he is from? You don't like his answers so you're going to attack where he was born and raised? 

Where are YOU FROM PAL? 

ras, id imagine the answer to your question lies in one of jav's posts above about us foreign policy and "soft power"...via imperialism, sanctions and interventionist foreign policy, us politics effects many parts of the world significantly and is of global interest

also i think i remember reading he grew up here, not sure tho

>>> are you high? <<<

>>> What the fuck does it matter where he is from? You don't like his answers so you're going to attack where he was born and raised? <<<


 

nothing do with that, but contextual reading appears not to be your strong suit buddy.

but weighing in with bullshit propaganda links in a country you're not a citizen of is nothing different

than what russian bots do.

but he appears heady, awesome.

Btw I am high, and about to Puff G13, what.

>>>nothing do with that, but contextual reading appears not to be your strong suit buddy.

funny I was thinking the same about you!!! 
 

that Washington examiner link you were going on about says nothing controversial. Do you think everything they print is propaganda? 

>>>>Well of course Obama's to blame,

fucking moron 

you posted a video that says Obama took money and then turned around and fucked those people over and many here don't think he did that

im sorry if you can't wrap your head around that. You and Tod 

now go fuck yourselves 

G13? did joe biden already take us back to the late ninties?

>>> now go fuck yourselves 

>>> that Washington examiner link you were going on about says nothing controversial. Do you think everything they print is propaganda? 

 

nice, you kiss your sister with that mouth?
 

washington examiner is breitbart lite, maybe you didn't know that?

no hate.

I think I'll go hang on magnolia mountain and find my chill.

this is '88 dL

Thod, are you still doing Atlantic Coast leg of Wolf Bruhs tour?

Oh nelly, this is getting fun. I'm glad to find out that I seem heady. I was always treated like a custy on lot due to my clean clothes and inability to haggle with the friendly mushroom dealers, so headiness is a new look for me.

Ras, I lived in the states from 80-81, 89-95 and 96-04, plus some months in 05. My sister is a US citizen as are my brother-in-law, niece, nephew and a great many friends and former lovers.

Also, my ancestors lived in the US before there was a US, from about the 1720's until around 1870 when my Great-Great-Grandpappy moved from Kansas City, Missouri to Bolivia to strike it rich in silver mines, and then migrated down to Chile. His father was one of the founding members of Kansas City, Missouri, and at one point my Grandfather could've sued for a great deal of land in the area, but he didn't have the 50k to pay for the process (1950's money). You can read more about my ancestry here:

https://kchistory.org/islandora/object/kchistory%3A66377  and here

https://kchistory.org/islandora/object/kchistory%3A79215 and here

https://books.google.cl/books?id=4eWsDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35&dq=daniel... and a bunch of other sources.

There's even a picture of my granddad in a Museum in Kansas City looking at a painting of Yoacham Tavern, owned and built by his Granddad (Great-Grandad?).

But as Daylight pointed out, my main concern, apart from personal history, has to do with the sphere of influence that the United States lords over the world. If you're unaware of this you really should do your research. From military intervention such as the 1973 coup d'etat in my country which was orchestrated, financed and pushed by the CIA, to the economic pressure weilded by Obama and every other President before and after him, the United States has consistently used countries like mine to further its own goals with no regards to ethics or the wellbeing of the people in those countries. Further, since Trump took office there's a disturbing trend of normalizing right-wing violence, including racism and xenophobia throughout the world. Hell, I saw a dude wearing a confederate flag at a protest the other day, which is pretty weird - not to mention all the Gadsden flags people are flying and the extreme normalization of violence. FURTHER, Chile is coming up on a pretty momentous vote on whether or not to write a new constitution, since the old one was imposed during the right-wing military dictatorship which terrorized my relatives and many others for almost 20 years (yup, the one the CIA orchestrated). So, does that answer your seemingly respectful question? Doesn't seem like the answer was that difficult to think of on your own. For a brief moment I had hoped that a candidate like Bernie might knock some sense into the world, in particular the extremely polarized Chilean populace.

And now, back to the main point: you said something like "my man, Bill, speaking truth as usual", to which I tried to point out that Maher is a hack who just jumps on one easy talking point and then screams until it sounds like logic, but the evidence just plain and simple does not back him up. Here's an article from HuffPost if that's going to appease the ad hominem attacks in here:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-wall-street-speech-400k_n_5900bf16e...

So yeah, to say, as Bill does, that taking money from Wall Street isn't going to corrupt politicians is just plain old not true. For every tiny step against Wall Street that Obama pretended to take, he benefitted them a million times over. Maher is a hack. Think for yourself. Read sources instead of listening to screaming talking heads.

No different than a Russian bot....lol....that's a good one, I like that. 

>>> Thod, are you still doing Atlantic Coast leg of Wolf Bruhs tour? <<<


yeah did 3 shows, I know you're excited for pics and reviews, keep an eye out for Tim's wolf bros thread.

great stuff coming.

Oh, and my Great-Great-Grand Uncle died fighting in the Civil War. He was a confederate but he was also a fairly poor farmer type. Don't hold it against me, ok?

HuffPost is listed on mediabiasfactcheck as 'mostly factual'. Now can we talk about the central issue or are they too far left now for the conversation?

>>> Javs I admire your gusto for argument,  but if you don't mind, what interest exactly is our country's politics to you ? <<<

I cant't (don't want to) believe that someone would post that. Just a reminder, the Earth is round, he's a citizen of the world, we're all connected and invested, we all need to consider what's going on around here (here, the planet). In addition to that, Javs is part of the Viva community and has history in the U.S.A., both of which might easily cause him to have interest.

Ras, consider the rest of us as your fellow Earthlings, change your strain, etc.

>>>>Are you trying to convince us or yourself that dems are bad at running things

Racket is. Look at his city and state. Democrats

At least we agree it’s a shithole.

Thanks for looking out, Judit. You rock! :)