russian hacjkers

they had no effect on the election

Former George W. Bush speechwriter David Frum*:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/how-trump-made-russias-hacking-more-effective/511880/

“It’s all just an attempt to delegitimize Donald Trump.” That’s the argument you hear from Trump supporters each time new information comes to light about how hard Russian spy services worked to damage Hillary Clinton. You heard it again on Thursday.

The Trump supporters are 100 percent right: The information is delegitimizing. The president-elect of the United States reportedly owes his office in considerable part to illegal clandestine activities in his favor conducted by a hostile, foreign spy service. It’s hard to imagine a crisis of presidential legitimacy more extreme than that. But that’s no argument against airing this information. It’s precisely why the information must be aired.

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The content of the Russian-hacked emails was actually remarkably unexplosive. Probably the biggest news was that Hillary Clinton had expressed herself in favor of a hemispheric common market in speeches to Wall Street executives. Otherwise, we learned from them that some people at the Democratic National Committee favored a lifelong Democrat for their party’s nomination over a socialist interloper who had joined the party for his own convenience. We learned that many Democrats, including Chelsea Clinton, disapproved of the ethical shortcomings of some of the people in Bill Clinton’s inner circle. We learned that Hillary Clinton acknowledged differences between her “public and private” positions on some issues. None of this even remotely corroborated Donald Trump’s wild characterizations of the Russian-hacked, Wikileaks-published material.

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Without Trump’s own willingness to make false claims and misuse Russian-provided information, the Wikileaks material would have deflated of its own boringness. The Russian-hacked material did damage because, and only because, Russia found a willing accomplice in the person of Donald J. Trump.

Many questions remain about how the Russian spy services did what they did. That includes Putin’s motives for ordering the operation. But on issues from Crimea to Syria to NATO to the breakup of the European Union, Trump’s publicly expressed views align with Putin’s wishes.

Over Trump’s motives for collaborating so full-throatedly with Russian espionage, there hangs a greater and more disturbing mystery—a mystery that Trump seems in no hurry to dispel. And maybe he is wise to leave the mystery in place: as delegitimizing as it is, it’s very possible the truth would be even worse.  

hillary didn't need help damaging herself.

https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/814620692163469312

oooooooooooooohhhhh.....

bush's speechwriter.

oh that's right, i supported & admired shrub. i completely forgot. this changes everything

decided to drop the Bert Pesona?

this is the only clown photo that i have, but it doesn't represents bert's tastes. big no on that mannfred or weird steve, whichever you prefer to be addressed as. infinite ignorance doesn't really suit you because i believe you to be very intelligent

It will be delegitimizing when the investigation reveals that Trump colluded with the Russians on the hacks and on the release of information.

The Russians did it

Is this the same obama intel people who said ISIS was JV?

or may that the Benghazi attack was caused by a video?

or was the video story just a obama lie?

don't forget..you can keep your doctor

DO NOT BELIEVE A WORD FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION

THEY ARE LIARS

THEY ARE INCOMPETENT 

THEY ARE IGNORANT

If Crooked Hillary was elected this would be a non issue

^Nonsense, Trump, and others on the right, would be calling for revolution. And they would want Clinton tried for treason. 

Don't forget..

Only four years ago Obama scorned Romney for saying Russia was a threat. 

Obama sent Crooked Hillary over to Russia with that silly plastic "reset" button

Obama told the Russians he would be "more flexible" after the election

Russia was not in Syria before obama let them in and then they killed the US backed rebels and have propped up Assad when the great obama declared that "Assad must go"  Assad is still there..Obama is going bye bye.

Russia and China have been hacking into US systems for years and obama did nothing

and of course..obama is responsible for the cyber security in the US..he failed once again..dismal pathetic failure.

This entire Russian sanctions are only designed so that when President Trump lifts the ridiculous non effective sanctions that all the lefty loons can declare that Trump and Putin are in cahoots..

don't forget the hacked emails simply shed light on the truth..The truth is the enemy of the left 

During the Cold War (1947–1991), Syria was an ally to the Soviet Union in opposition to the Western powers, and a stronger political bond grew. Between 1955 and 1958, Syria received about $294 million from the Soviet Union for military and economic assistance. The Suez War in 1956 accelerated a multiplication of ties between Syria and the Soviet Union, simultaneously with the increase in power and influence of the Syrian Ba'ath Party.

The Syrian Revolution of February 1966 gave the Soviet Union the opportunity to further support Syria. In 1971, under an agreement with the Syrian Ba'athist government’s President Hafez al-Assad, the Soviet Union was allowed to open its naval military base in Tartus, giving the Soviet Union a stable presence in the Middle East. Thousands of Syrian military officers and educated professionals studied in Russia during President Hafez al-Assad's three-decade rule (1971–2000).

In April 1977, Hafez al-Assad visited Moscow, and met with Soviet leaders Leonid Brezhnev and Alexei Kosygin among others, as a sign of improved Syrian relations with the USSR. Three years later, in October 1980, Syria and the Soviet Union signed a twenty-year Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation.

At the beginning of the Syrian Civil War (2011), Syria was one of Russia's closest Middle Eastern allies.

-wiki

>Russia was not in Syria before obama let them in...

I guess you are unaware of Russia's naval Base in Tartus, that's in Syria.

 >>Russia and China have been hacking into US systems for years and obama did nothing<<

Are you a member of the intelligence community? If not, you have no clue as to what the US response has been

>>This entire Russian sanctions are only designed so that when President Trump lifts the ridiculous non effective sanctions that all the lefty loons can declare that Trump and Putin are in cahoots<<

McCain, Graham, and Ryan are in on it too?

 guess you are unaware of Russia's naval Base in Tartus, that's in Syria.>>

but the Russians were not bombing the US backed rebels and the Syrian civilians until obama and kerry gave then the green light to get involved. 

McCain, Graham, and Ryan are in on it too?>>

McCain and Graham are living there own version of Brokeback Mountain..They need to ride off into the sunset together.

Speaking in London, Kerry suggested that the only way for Syria to avoid the threat of a US attack would be for it to hand over all its chemical weapons within a week.

Syria crisis: Obama welcomes Russia's chemical weapons proposal

US Secretary of State John Kerry strikes deal with Russian foreign minister

Destruction of weapons must be completed by mid-2014, says Kerry

French foreign minister described the deal as an 'important step forward'

Assad’s Regime Is Still Using Chemical Weapons in Syria

Civilians in rebel-held area of Aleppo were targeted by chlorine gas explosives as recently as Sept. 6 2016

The Obama administration bungled Syria. The was little to no public support for military action in Syria, and even less support among the Republicans in the house. Obama should have never rattled the saber, his mouth wrote a check his ass couldn't cash. 

You disagree with McCain and Graham so you just dismiss them with an insult? Are you sure you're not Thom?

The entire world (save Trump and his disciples) do not trust Putin as far as they can throw him. Other countries who have NO horse in the US race, have experienced Russian meddling and are publicly telling their story.

Every President that has dealt with Putin (GOP and Dem) have ALL kicked off their terms with comments about Russian resets (GWB "looked in eyes and saw a soul", Obama/HRC with silly red button deal). Putin has accepted them all with open arms and then, ultimately, shown his true colors.

What, pray tell, does anyone reasonably think will be different this time around? The only possible answer is "Well, Bill Clinton, GW Bush and Obama were all really bad people and Putin was just waiting for his Lord and Savior, Donald J. Trump to ascend to power so he could turn his life around and become Mr. Nice Guy". F'in absurd people.

How anyone can read Putin's public response today and not feel violated by it's disingenuous nature is beyond me, but certainly apropos for the state of at least one third of our nation today.

You disagree with McCain and Graham so you just dismiss them with an insult? >>

McCain and Graham do not kow the facts.

Once President Trump takes office a real investigation into what role Russia played into the hacking of Pedesta's emails and the DNC can occur . Does it bother any lefties that the primaries were rigged by the DNC to make sure Bernie lost? This stuff is good to know,.

What we know for sure..100% for sure is that we cannot trust nor can we believe one word that obama and his minions say. They are liars and they manipulate  information to suit their agenda They are in their death throes right now and very desperate to save obama's pathetic legacy. Their agenda is to cause Trump as many problems as they possibly can and to try to convince the public that the election was not legitimate and that is why their candidate, Crooked Hillary. lost. 

what pray tell does anyone reasonably think will be different this time around? The only possible answer is "Well, Bill Clinton, GW Bush and Obama were all really bad people and Putin was just waiting for his Lord and Savior, Donald J. Trump to ascend to power so he could turn his life around and become Mr. Nice Guy". F'in absurd people.

How anyone can read Putin's public response today and not feel violated by it's disingenuous nature is beyond me, but certainly apropos for the state of at least one third of our nation today.

Combine that with Trumps tweet today and how on earth can anyone doubt that idiot is working for Putin. I cant remember a time when the executive branch was so subservient to a hostile power. 

Yeah, I don't get why tough guy Trump has his tongue up Putin's ass, but I don't like it
one
bit.

>McCain and Graham do not kow the facts.

They know a hell of a lot more than you do. They've been briefed.

>>Once President Trump takes office a real investigation into what role Russia played into the hacking of Pedesta's emails and the DNC can occur . Does it bother any lefties that the primaries were rigged by the DNC to make sure Bernie lost? This stuff is good to know,.

What we know for sure..100% for sure is that we cannot trust nor can we believe one word that obama and his minions say<<

Trump says there's nothing to it, we need to get on with our lives. But that's OK, Congress will investigate.

The fact that you dismiss anything from the Obama administration as a lie even before it is released demonstrates that you are nothing but a partisan hack , with the credibility of Seadog. And your trust of Trump is laughable, at best he is a pathological liar. At worst, he lies with purpose and personally attacks those who challenge his lies.

ROLLING STONE: SOMETHING ABOUT THIS RUSSIA STORY STINKS

Nearly 15 years after Iraq-WMD faceplant, press asked to co-sign dubious intelligence

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/rolling-stone-something-about-this-russia-sto...

progressives are afraid of mirrors

I still haven't seen a shred of evidence of election tampering. Where's the beef?

Lassen, if there is evidence, it will be released with the report. Both McCain and Graham, neither are progressives, have been briefed and they say the Russian were responsible.

there's proof they hacked political websites & email accounts, but show me the evidence that it effected the election. trump was spouting all kinds of bullshit so any info that may have been leaked by the russians wasn't something new or swayed anyone in any manner (at least anyone that really thought about it)

link to the joint analysis report

https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296A_G...

Correct, McCain and Graham are not progressives. They are neocons that LOVE war.. seems the Hillary "progressives" have stepped in line with the war agenda and anti-Russian propaganda. It's fascinating to witness

Those aren't progressives, Lassen, they are neo-libs and are basically reactionary bourgoisie. Neo-libs love war, too.

^ Hillman, it's not the result, it's Russia's attempt to influence the result that is the issue. Plus, i am troubled and suspicious of Trump's refusal to acknowledge the Russian effort. Is Trump afraid that acknowledging the Russian attempt will taint his administration?  Or was Trump, or members of his staff aware and involved in the effort?

>seems the Hillary "progressives" have stepped in line with the war agenda and anti-Russian propaganda. It's fascinating to witness

Anti-Russian propaganda? Russia has taken an hostile position regarding many of it's neighbors. Lithuania reinstated its draft because of fears of Russian aggression. Putin murders and imprisons his rivals.  Acknowledging the Russian threat has nothing to do with "Loving War" 

The "hacking" exposed that the DNC was rigging the primaries in favor of  Crooked Hillary..

Apparently the DNC found the hacked information useful for they fired Debby Wasserman as result of the findings from the "hacked" emails.

If the DNC found the hacked emails useful and used the info to clean house..what is the problem with the American Public using the hacked emails to make a decision of whom they want to vote for?

The truth is a good thing

Spoken like a good reactionary traitor !

If you aren't offended by just the concept of any foreign power attempting to influence our elections, I call your love of country into question.

>>>Russia has taken an hostile position regarding many of it's neighbors. Lithuania reinstated its draft because of fears of Russian aggression. Putin murders and imprisons his rivals.  Acknowledging the Russian threat<<<

the 1980's are calling and they want their foreign policy back. heard that somewhere before....

Hillman, mock if choose, but my statement is accurate. The citizens of Lithuania understand  the threat Russia poses.  

Ever hear this one, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes."

tom, i'm not mocking you, i'm reminding those that chose to laugh at mitt romney when he said during one of the presidential debates that russia was our greatest geopolitical foe while iran was our greatest national security threat, that he was correct about russia. with this wonderful iranian nuclear deal (that's supposed to keep iran from developing nuclear weapons - it clearly doesn't do that) being ignored for the most part by iran, i'm wondering if he's going to be proven right by that remark as well. nothing personal.

No worries, Hillman. 

No treaty, no 80 plane deal for Boeing.