YouTuber causing mischief on The Haight

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I've been watching a lot of so-called "First Amendment auditors" recently; many of whom are full of it and simply looking for attention / clicks / views, but some are legit.  It's interesting to see how law enforcement and private citizens deal with these individuals.

I'm not sure if this particular YouTuber is a self-described "1A auditor", or is just someone who looking to push buttons within the realm of what is allowable. 

https://youtu.be/0fjUBP9ChTk?si=1iFo0Ia662jCFa2B

Eventually, he starts to attract a vigilante mob that starts with someone wearing a Jerry t-shirt and a second skateboarder guy around the 15:50 mark ...

https://youtu.be/0fjUBP9ChTk?si=ZQKIDWvPLdQ0T3t-&t=929

It's possible there might be minors inside the pilates center, so I don't blame either of these two guys.  I suspect they believe they're protecting women and underage young adults, and to a certain extent, they are.  Jerry guy keeps his cool, but skateboarder dude crosses the line with the cig butt.  Eventually, the group grows and becomes more aggressive. 

I haven't been to the Haight in a long time, so it's kinda interesting to see some modern weirdness play out there!

Wikipedia sez that "First Amendment audits are a largely American social movement that usually involves photographing or filming from a public space. It is often categorized by its practitioners, known as auditors, as activism and citizen journalism that tests constitutional rights, in particular the right to photograph and video record in a public space (a right normally covered by the First Amendment)."

With that in mind, I would say the youtuber from the link above was not exercising an established right. While he was positioned on the sidewalk (a public space), I think it was clear he intended to shoot video of the inside of the workout studio, which is a private space. He's a video voyeur, in other words, and really no different from a peeper peering into a window of person's home (and is perhaps a cousin of those who shoot upskirt video, which is a criminal offense).

But I think we also need to consider the choice of the owner of the workout studio to have his business fronted with with floor-to-ceiling glass, which would seem to invite the gaze of others. This reminds me of something that often happens with young people on social media. They post public pics of themselves because want to be on display, but they also want to have control over who may enjoy the display, and that's just not realistic.  You can be public, or private, but not both.

One way to thwart tools like the youtuber from the link above is to play some copyrighted music, and make sure it's loud enough for the camera to pick it up. Something I learned back when i was capturing webcasts is that the house music which often plays before or after a show would get flagged for copyright violation on YouTube. Catch enough of those flags, and your content gets pulled, and your channel could get shut down if you collect enough violations.

I want to say here too that I thought the young lady with the dog was pretty fierce, and I mean that in the best possible way.

I only watched the first 45 sec and can already tell the guy is a full on creep and probably deserves whatever comes his way in the the next 15 minutes 

The best filming on Haight St ever:

Grateful Dead, free concert on Haight Street, SF, March 3 1968, live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TnyOKI5BSM

a runner up:

Haight Street Fair 6-9-85

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prYYzKO2wIg

We had a holography store on Haight St a block up from where the "confrontation" video was taken. There were no Pilates studios or cell phones back then, but I assure you the locals would have stomped the creepy "freedom fighter."

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With that in mind, I would say the youtuber from the link above was not exercising an established right. While he was positioned on the sidewalk (a public space), I think it was clear he intended to shoot video of the inside of the workout studio, which is a private space. He's a video voyeur, in other words, and really no different from a peeper peering into a window of person's home (and is perhaps a cousin of those who shoot upskirt video, which is a criminal offense).<<<<

One of the big "mantras" of these 1A auditors is how anything one can view with one's own eyeballs while standing on public property outside can also be video recorded.  This would include indoor spaces via windows, open doors, etc. .... provided the person taking the video is standing on public property outside.  I'm not sure if this is legally accurate, but it kind of makes sense ... even though it clearly can be "abused".  I believe there might be a caveat about "reasonable expectation of privacy".   I'm not sure how this gets applied to a public setting like Haight Street.

But I think we also need to consider the choice of the owner of the workout studio to have his business fronted with with floor-to-ceiling glass, which would seem to invite the gaze of others. This reminds me of something that often happens with young people on social media. They post public pics of themselves because want to be on display, but they also want to have control over who may enjoy the display, and that's just not realistic.  You can be public, or private, but not both.<<<<

Yeah, I think you're on to something here for sure.  I suspect beauty parlors and nail salons are also targets for this sort  of thing along the same lines.

One way to thwart tools like the youtuber from the link above is to play some copyrighted music, and make sure it's loud enough for the camera to pick it up. Something I learned back when i was capturing webcasts is that the house music which often plays before or after a show would get flagged for copyright violation on YouTube. Catch enough of those flags, and your content gets pulled, and your channel could get shut down if you collect enough violations.<<<<

It's pretty wild how YouTube is able to do that.   I wonder if they'll ever get in legal hot water for an "overreach" along the lines you've mentioned about ambient copyrighted material that subverts the transmission of legitimate content and damages the content provider ... or are the laws just setup in such a way that copyright is king and nothing else matters? 

That's a creative way to combat them though!

If you saw the woman with the dog, then you made it to to the end, lol!    She also appeared at the very beginning just walking down the sidewalk, when it wasn't a "spectacle".

 

 

The best filming on Haight St ever:

Grateful Dead, free concert on Haight Street, SF, March 3 1968, live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TnyOKI5BSM

a runner up:

Haight Street Fair 6-9-85

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prYYzKO2wIg <<<<

 

Here Here!

Or, is it Hear Hear!

Bad manners / obnoxious acts may be legal, but local populations often have their own "rules of acceptable behavior" and to ignore that fact is often dangerous.

I notice that Mr Creepy didn't try his stunt deep in Hunters Point or the Mission District. 

im with the slightly confused and indifferent naked guys. its odd  to me that people are so uptight about being filmed by random strangers while willingly submitting to a massive variety of corporate and government surveillance.

you cant even see the peoples faces or bodies in the gym, and even then, who cares? youre already working out in front of a giant window on full display to the public. in the age of internet porn it seems like kind of a stretch that someones perving out by taking videos of people going about their day. the angry mob seems like a bunch of mindless losers tbh.

One way to thwart tools like the youtuber from the link above is to play some copyrighted music,

the way to thwart ppl like this is to not engage with them and allow them to continue exercising their right to film in public. if youre not having a confrontation, there is nothing interesting going on to make videos about. in all likelihood, if the folks in the gym ignored him  for 30 seconds he would have moved on.  

People are looking for engagement everywhere, I see it in lines at the grocery store, at work, at traffic lights, the highway. It's totally defeating to them when you don't acknowledge them or make eye contact. I had a guy honking his horn next to me at a stoplight once incessantly. I finally glanced a bit his way in his monster truck and he said "hey Fuck You" I smiled waved and said "oh, your welcome" not sure what his deal was but honestly best to even avoid that. People are idiots 

>the way to thwart ppl like this is<

one word: windowshades

If you don't want people looking in your window, close the curtains. 

If you don't want to be filmed in public, stay at home.

 

Exercising your rights is one of the only way to protect them.

>>>> One way to thwart tools like the youtuber from the link above is to play some copyrighted music, and make sure it's loud enough for the camera to pick it up. Something I learned back when i was capturing webcasts is that the house music which often plays before or after a show would get flagged for copyright violation on YouTube. Catch enough of those flags, and your content gets pulled, and your channel could get shut down if you collect enough violations.<<<<

 

Some police departments have adopted this strategy to prevent video of rogue cops from being posted on youtube.

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

 

 

The tactic is neither a good thing or a bad thing; it's just a thing. How the thing is done is what can be seen as good or bad, and that's not a fixed value, but relative to a subject position.

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Some police departments have adopted this strategy to prevent video of rogue cops from being posted on youtube.

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In that case it's not even a thing

they're public servants working publicly

Unless working undercover, they have zero right to privacy or anonymity 

the whole copyrighted music thing really isnt something that will work for stuff like this. if youre up in the camera guys face having a confrontation, its super easy for them to mute the audio while the music is playing, add captions, and youre still having a videotaped confrontation over minor social infractions in the middle of the street, like a moron. im sure AI is good enough or will be soon to just lift the music right out of a video like that.

I've seen these videos. Seems like none of this happened until the nastiness of Trump showed and normalized this crud.

>>> they're public servants working publicly            Unless working undercover, they have zero right to privacy or anonymity 

 

Tell that to the cop tasing you because you're filming them conducting a traffic stop.

https://youtu.be/NVkkbJ_KI2Y?si=tcRUOPP9tNLs3rSh&t=1147

^ brief interlude to hear Jerry speak on that "brief window that opened" while living at 710

>>Tell that to the cop tasing you because you're filming them conducting a traffic stop.<<
 

Coercive violence doesn't really work on me


You ever been tazed? It's not that bad.

It's just a little pee, really

The tactic is neither a good thing or a bad thing; it's just a thing. How the thing is done is what can be seen as good or bad, and that's not a fixed value, but relative to a subject position.<<<

After watching a million of these videos (most of the "auditors" talk, unlike this one), I've basically come to this conclusion in general terms.

Even so, it's still difficult (if not impossible) to determine what's going on inside their minds.

 

 

> it's still difficult (if not impossible) to determine what's going on inside their minds

Even if they're not on camera, but are putting this stuff up on their youtube channel, it pretty much comes down to Look at me. Look at me. Look at me.

>t's still difficult (if not impossible) to determine what's going on inside their minds.<

probably, "Since I was laid off from Google for stalking random female co-workers, I hate everyone in San Francisco."

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So since it's his view, didn't he post it?   Seems like they could track him down fairly easily with the police and youtube help.  I'm sure i'm over simplifying but this seems like enough evidence to go check his place and see what other videos are there.  

Also, it's form the Human Wildlife Project.   Is he just testing to see how people would react?   Maybe he's not a perve at all, he's just interested in documenting reactions.  

Also, it's form the Human Wildlife Project.   Is he just testing to see how people would react?   Maybe he's not a perve at all, he's just interested in documenting reactions.  <<<<

Whether or not he's a perv seems secondary.  I suspect there's part of him that is legitimately interested in documenting reactions in the context of public space and expectations of privacy, but it can also be true that he's simply an attention whore, as Mike alluded to.   Likewise, he might get a secondary gain in pushing people's buttons.     All can be true at the same time.    This is why I believe it's a nebulous proposition ... impossible to get inside the minds of people who do this. 

https://youtu.be/Qz2v_LhbVG0?si=zwfbGk4EO8g608Fz&t=473