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The superrich enjoy corrupt influence over politics — and some Democrats are just fine with that.

After Thursday night’s debate, this much, at least, is clear: The central issue of the 2020 Democratic presidential primary is corruption.

Not purity. Not electability. Not socialism or fiscal responsibility or any of the other buzzwords floating around the party discourse. Corruption. 

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The corruption question is simple: Will the richest people in America be permitted to put their fingers on the scales of our democracy ― including the inner workings of the Democratic Party? 

For two candidates in the race, Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), the answer to that question has been a consistent, resounding “no.” They don’t court big donors, don’t hold big-dollar fundraisers for them, and won’t even meet with them behind closed doors. If you want Warren’s attention, you can get in line for a selfie with everyone else. Sanders even scrutinizes his contributions and returns checks from people who are too rich. 

The message is impossible to misconstrue. These campaigns are putting people first, not money. Their time, attention and agenda are not for sale. 

For everyone else in the race … Well, you know some of these rich guys aren’t so bad. Take Craig and Kathryn Hall. They’re in real estate. You should talk to them. Maybe in their wine cave. The one with a chandelier decorated with 1,500 Swarovski crystals.

Questions about corruption continue to whip party leaders into a frenzy like no other issue. Former Obama administration officials, ex-senators, think tank presidents, TV contract Democrats and ― of course ― billionaires, are simply beside themselves that the party they belong to is seriously considering downgrading them to the ordinary status of “citizen.” It’s why billionaire (and former New York City Mayor) Michael Bloomberg has entered the primary. It’s why Bill Gates is thinking about voting for Donald Trump. It’s why “Morning Joe” continues to exist.

When Warren assailed her rival, South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg at Thursday’s debate for holding his now-infamous fundraiser at a $900-a-bottle California winery, the rest of the evening became an afterthought. Everybody not named Sanders and Warren became desperate to prove that their opponents were hypocrites or that their own campaign finances were on the up-and-up. Buttigieg called Warren a “millionaire.” Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) said fighting about fundraising standards was a distraction from the real issues.

TV Democrats who interviewed Warren later that night were incensed. CNN’s Van Jones said Warren’s refusal to hold fundraisers with billionaires was a “purity test” that made “a lot of people feel left out” and was therefore “elitist.” Let that sink in: Jones portrayed the refusal to grant special consideration of the rich as elitist. Jones even asked if it would be corrupt for him, as a millionaire, to give to Warren’s campaign.

“Buttigieg said the Democrats are going to tie one hand behind their back if they continue on your road with this,” added anchor Chris Cuomo.

Former Obama confidant David Axelrod — another CNN talking head — pointed out that Warren had raised money from wealthy donors in the past without turning her office into a favor-mill for the rich. If Warren could stand up to donor pressure, Axelrod suggested, why wouldn’t any other Democrat? 

CNN’s Democrats aren’t alone in their elite anger. TV lawyer Lisa Bloom, a one-time Harvey Weinstein ally, derided Warren on Twitter for turning down money that could be used to defeat Trump. “Pete Buttigieg is right,” Bloom wrote. “We don’t need purity tests. Who cares if he had a fundraiser in a wine cave. Our country is currently run by a whining cave man. Take any legal money you can raise and beat him in November.”

People don’t really frame other pressing issues as purity tests, of course. When a Democrat gets up and talks about voting rights as a basic, inviolable commitment of democratic government, no self-proclaimed centrist rises to emphasize the need to make pragmatic concessions to racists. 

Axelrod’s insistence that big money doesn’t necessarily corrupt lawmakers, meanwhile, is akin to the argument put forward by the Supreme Court majority in its infamous 2010 Citizens United decision: that money in politics is not corrupt unless it involves an explicit trading of political favors for cash. 

Until very recently, it would have been disgraceful for a Democrat to publicly champion such an idea. In the modern Democratic party, corruption has never been conceived of as a narrow question of trading favors for cash. It’s about who counts in a democracy, and how citizens hold their leaders accountable. Corruption contributes to who sets the agenda, whose problems are considered the most pressing, which bills get written, which get a vote, and who gets fancy Washington jobs. If you want to be the next ambassador to Denmark or Barbados, the best way to go about doing it is to attend a fundraiser and tell the candidate that’s what you want. (Kathryn Hall, co-owner of the crystal-laden wine cave, served as ambassador to Austria under President Bill Clinton.)

And for most Democrats, Bloom’s idea of accepting literally any legal money is noxious. Some sources are just obviously improper ― the NRA, oil executives, Harvey Weinstein. Democrats don’t want their leaders taking money from these people for a reason: It’s corrupt. They don’t want their elected representatives to be thinking about Harvey Weinstein’s interests, consciously or unconsciously.

Instead of framing corruption as a basic dispute over democratic values, Buttigieg, Bloom and Cuomo present the issue as a mere campaign tactic. But even there, Warren and Sanders are not paying a price for their so-called purity. They’ve consistently out-raised everyone else in the race, including Buttigieg, despite their focus on small donors and detailed policy agendas that infuriate the superrich. 

In the fall of 2010, Axelrod, then a member of President Barack Obama’s White House, appeared on ”Face the Nation” to downplay the severity of a “robo-signing” epidemic that was sweeping the housing industry. At the time, thousands of mortgages were frozen because the banks that wanted to foreclose on them couldn’t document who actually owned the property. Axelrod promised the administration was working for a speedy resolution.

“We are working closely with these institutions to make sure they go expedite the process of going back and reconstructing [mortgages] and throwing out those that don’t work,” he said.

It wasn’t true. The banking problem was not a technical hiccup and the Obama administration was not lighting a fire under the banks to sort it out. It was instead a widespread fraud which the biggest banks in the country eventually agreed to pay tens of billions of dollars to settle. Obama’s Treasury Department had essentially turned over the administration of its own anti-foreclosure initiative to big banks, which were squeezing homeowners for whatever they could, with or without the right paperwork, often overcharging families or even wrongfully evicting them. After dragging its feet about this outrage for years, the Justice Department under Obama eventually inked a settlement, and then promptly declined to prosecute anyone for the wrongdoing involved.

Maybe it was a coincidence that Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign raised nearly $44 million from the financial sector ― more than any other candidate in history ― including more than $1 million from employees of Goldman Sachs, nearly $1 million from JPMorganites, and over three-quarters of a million from his supporters at Citigroup, some of whom ended up staffing his administration.

So guys like Axelrod get touchy when candidates talk about corruption. But it’s not just people with fancy TV contracts. Rank-and-file Democratic voters don’t like corruption, but they also don’t like to think about ways their favorite Democrats have failed them in the past. Accepting the standard Warren and Sanders are setting means coming to terms with the fact that Obama and Bill Clinton’s administrations engaged in activity that is hard to defend. Even Warren and Sanders know that’s a big ask for most Democratic voters, so they rarely apply the implications of their own rhetoric to Obama’s activities.

But the divide over corruption isn’t going away. It cuts to the core of what it means to be a member of a party that calls itself democratic. Do Democrats represent everyone, or are some Democrats more equal than others?

We're trying to reform this party. If possible!

You do know that this copy/paste is an opinion piece, not news, right? Like I give a fuck if Mayor Pete took a bunch of cash from rich fucks. Taking their money doesn't mean that you're in their pockets.

So much time and energy is being spent complaining about the Party on the national level, but the real changes are going to come at the State level. Elect awesome congresspeople, pass campaign finance laws, and the Executive election automatically changes.

<<<>>>Taking their money doesn't mean that you're in their pockets.
hahahahahaahahhaha

 

<<<>>>Elect awesome congresspeople

in the process since justice dems started their work and changed the house in '18. all birthed out of the political revolution. pelosi is next.

 

>> So much time and energy spent 

lol so rich 

It's astounding how much animosity you have towards rank-and-file Democrats, and how little you have towards Republicans. It's kind of a head-scratcher.

I bet that if I looked at alt left media, I'd see the exact same talking points. I'm guessing that the alt right media, msm, and alt left media are all about the same.

Oh look, it's my little stalker. How have you been?

<<<>>>Taking their money doesn't mean that you're in their pockets.

why you centrists are full of shit...

In the fall of 2010, Axelrod, then a member of President Barack Obama’s White House, appeared on ”Face the Nation” to downplay the severity of a “robo-signing” epidemic that was sweeping the housing industry. At the time, thousands of mortgages were frozen because the banks that wanted to foreclose on them couldn’t document who actually owned the property. Axelrod promised the administration was working for a speedy resolution.

“We are working closely with these institutions to make sure they go expedite the process of going back and reconstructing [mortgages] and throwing out those that don’t work,” he said.

It wasn’t true. The banking problem was not a technical hiccup and the Obama administration was not lighting a fire under the banks to sort it out. It was instead a widespread fraud which the biggest banks in the country eventually agreed to pay tens of billions of dollars to settle. Obama’s Treasury Department had essentially turned over the administration of its own anti-foreclosure initiative to big banks, which were squeezing homeowners for whatever they could, with or without the right paperwork, often overcharging families or even wrongfully evicting them. After dragging its feet about this outrage for years, the Justice Department under Obama eventually inked a settlement, and then promptly declined to prosecute anyone for the wrongdoing involved

 

after reading Pyramidheat's propaganda day aftee day and other far far left media, I'm beginning to think the hard core bernie bro crowd is really no different than the maga cult.  

Myopic thinking that doesn't respect nor take into account anyone else's opinion. Revolution now or fuck you. Baby out with bath water.

Nugs, you really need to start posting the links to your copy/pasted. It's dbmb etiquette.

lol at me being a centerist.

Political parties are ruining this country with there cold war on the american people.

When the People need something we have gridlocked parties

When Corporations need anything there this thing called a bi-partisan agreement but not for the people they get gridlock. 

Fuck that dichotomy!!!!!!!!!!!!

fuck off copy paste crybaby

huffpost 

thought link was included 

Wine Cave I'm sure PG&E was there making sure it could survive maybe that's why Gavin Newsom was so upset.

Nugs, I shouldn't have to tell you that insulting Brian K goes against viva rules. 

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Try getting anywhere w/o huge donor help today. WTF time period you think we're living in, Mr Smith Goes To Washington type'a shit ?

Dems are up against the super 2020 billionaire pac of stump + fucking putin.  Love how Mayor Pete handled it, I really like him.

 

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Russians

In Europe and America there's a growing feeling of hysteria
Conditioned to respond to all the threats
In the rhetorical speeches of the Soviets
Mister Krushchev said, "We will bury you"
I don't subscribe to this point of view
It'd be such an ignorant thing to do
If the Russians love their children too
How can I save my little boy from Oppenheimer's deadly toy?
There is no monopoly on common sense
On either side of the political fence
We share the same biology, regardless of ideology
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the Russians love their children too

There is no historical precedent
To put the words in the mouth of the president?
There's no such thing as a winnable war
It's a lie we don't believe anymore
Mister Reagan says, "We will protect you"
I don't subscribe to this point of view
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the Russians love their children too
We share the same biology, regardless of ideology
But what might save us, me and you
Is if the Russians love their children too

 

good evening everybody! 

 

<<<>>>Try getting anywhere w/o huge donor help today.
 

bernie has the largest, most diverse base. most individual donations, by far -- i think 5mil now..?  more than trump even. more cash on hand than any other candidate. 100% grassroots campaign funded by nurses, teaches, low wage workers, unions, veterans, military members (more military member donors than other top dems combined). 

thisnis the strongest campaign to defeat trump. not even close. 

<<<>>>It's astounding how much animosity you have towards rank-and-file Democrats, and how little you have towards Republicans. It's kind of a head-scratcher.

hilarious  you're just making shit up now. you only see what you want. it's not even worth a response tbh. 

what's a head scratcher is you not voting for obama, given the hard core centrist take you have on national politics currently, calling him too conservative when we were going from two terms of W, worst in modern history. to a potential mccain/palin admin.  obama was talking about some liberal policy issues while running, and although nothing like bernie, he certainly was painting himself much more liberal than clinton and the others. you're on the wrong side of history lol. the centrists had their time -- there is no more compromise, all that has gotten us is trump. so out of touch -- it's like bloomberg running, guy literally has zero chance of becoming the dem nominee. completely out of touch. he should've run 10 years ago, but he would've run  a republican. haha  

why didn't you vote for obama? doesn't make any sense. 

do centrists think Democracy Now w/ Amy Goodman is far left media? 

hilarious  you're just making shit up now. you only see what you want. it's not even worth a response tbh. <<

 

LOL

Rich, gooey irony at its finest.

^knew it was coming. caps too haha. it's hard for centrists to understand that the system needs drastic change, and there is no longer time for waiting, or compromising w/ corporate dems, no more.  lol. that's the most ridiculous argument of them all. we'll do it next time. just lazy as shit. 

I'll donate $10 to Bernie, in your name (OGKB), if you can go 48 hours of posting as normal, and not use either "centrist" or "corporate democrat."

Kid, after how many times I've explained it, if you still don't understand how I can be very liberal yet not back Bernie (when I didn't vote for Obama because he was too far right), you just ain't gonna' get it.

how many times have you explained it Bk lolol

At least ogkb has something to say and will engage. You and Timpane have nothing to say, so you just put people down. You go, Bernie Bro's.

All I would suggest is if you're going to post an opinion piece off of Huffington Post's website, you give credit to the author and maybe a link.  

These days, it's very important to know the source of the information or comments. 

The link is here https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democrats-2020-corruption-buttigieg-warre..., and the piece was written by Zach Carter. 

Zach Carter is a Senior Reporter at HuffPost, where he covers Congress, elections and economic policy. His story, "Swiped: Banks, Merchants and Why Washington Doesn't Work for You," written with Ryan Grim, was included in the Columbia Journalism Review's compilation Best Business Writing. A frequent guest on cable news and news radio, his written work has appeared in The New Republic, The Nation and The American Prospect. He previously served on the steering committee at Americans for Financial Reform and worked as a banking reporter for SNL Financial News, part of S&P Global. He is the author of The Price of Peace: Money, Democracy, and the Life of John Maynard Keynes, forthcoming from Random House in May 2020. 

Try getting anywhere w/o huge donor help today. WTF time period you think we're living in, Mr Smith Goes To Washington type'a shit ?

Dems are up against the super 2020 billionaire pac of stump + fucking putin.  Love how Mayor Pete handled it, I really like him.

so should we just accept corruption and big money running our political system so we can beat the other team?

when can we finally address this issue? there will always be another big bad republican to beat, there will always be some supreme court justice about to die, there will always be some reason why we need to play it safe and just elect the next worthless corporate dem like hillary or pete.

what do you think the moment will look like when we can finally address the issue of money in politics?

 

>>what do you think the moment will look like when we can finally address the issue of money in politics?

When there is more thank 1 Progressive in the Senate, and a campaign finance law will be passed.

 

^I thought Sherrod Brown is considered a progressive?

< just accept corruption and big money >

Of course fuck corruption. There's quite a few big money donors who have a soul and want exactly what we want and donate lots to try and make it happen. Is that corruption ? Of course not. Stop equating all big money to foulness, you just sound silly.

Good stuff zoners. Y'all contribute to some of best politucal back n forth on the net.  Sumthin tells me we'll still be at it long after a dem candidate is chosen. Probably long after the 2020's

 

yeah it just doesn't make any sense, bk.

i do understand you saying obama was too conservative. i get that you don't think president bernie will get anything accomplished or even elected b/c he's too progressive. 

you're just kinda way off base. lol. it's like you're missing the fucking boat man. you're twisted up and have this shit backwards. you didn't vote for the most popular modern day president ever -- even tho W destroyed our country and we were unsure if a dem was going to win after W. 

and now you don't understand how bernie is our best chance of beating trump, by far, not even close -- you now think we must have a centrist -- you're like bloomberg man -- completely out of touch w/ the political pulse of the nation. 

<<<>>>course not. Stop equating all big money to foulness, you just sound silly.

no you sound like a fucking brain washed msnbc talking head. of course big money expects something in return. how the fuck are we even arguing it doesn't? sad shit. 

Nah, I'm just some middle aged dude in Central Vermont, who really knows as much or little as the next guy.

I said I'd vote for Bernie if he gets the nomination. I've also said that, being in Vermont where Bernie will get 85% in the primary, it doesn't really matter who I vote for. 

Bernie did really well in the debate the other night. He even made a few funnies. He does an amazing job of pointing out the problems, and I agree with much of what he says. Conversely, Mayor Pete very eloquently outlines the solutions. I'm just not sure what problems he's solving with his solutions. But damn, he's very slick about it.

why like mayor pete and not booker? 

<<<<>>>>do centrists think Democracy Now w/ Amy Goodman is far left media? 

< you sound like an msnbc >

Nope, I just sound like someone who at least has somewhat of a clue, whereas you my friend sound like a broken tunnel vision record. You're argument against reality today is,  all big money bad. You know that makes you look dense, right ? If not plain ignant. Now WTF you gonna do after Bernie ain't chosen ? Continue your crying ? Not vote at all ?   

I don't particularly like Mayor Pete. Read my comment again. It's a back-handed slam.

Steyer is interesting. Take 4 zeros off his net worth and he'd be a Socialist.

msnbc was painting  the same picture while interviewing warren after the debate. it was cringe worthy, my guess is you saw it lol. 

not all big money is bad, is what the establishment wants you to think. jesus guys. i understand change is difficult, but think about what your arguing against. haha. sorry man, you have no clue if you think candidates taking money from corporate interests/billionaires doesn't effect they way they govern -- it's why bernie's 100% grassroots campaign is even more impressive than can be stated. it's funded by the people who'd like representation at the highest levels. 

im not crying, actually the complete opposite. the establishment is shook, and your doing their bidding. welcome to come over to reality whenever you'd like. 

steyer isn't for m4a -- he's more centrist than progressive. he also bought his way onto the stage, that's not democracy at all. 

The only truth is yours; the only reality is yours.

Everyone else is just plain wrong.

Right?

not at all. 

saying big money doesn't influence the candidate is 100% wrong. why does that even need to be stated?

hes literally using the corporate media's new talking point post debate whether he knows it or not. i saw it w/ my own eyes. 

He bought his way into the race, but the stage had to do with polling numbers and individual donations. Are you saying that he rigged polls and donation data?

no. i'm saying his methods to hit those qualifications, although legal (this gets to a bigger issue), sidesteps a true grassroots campaign.  

he had people buy his bumper sticker, advertised via twitter, which got him onto the stage, in addition to spending $100 mil of his own money. 

rasmataz -- your meme is funny. where have you been? where have the dems been? the dems fight like little babies, conceding on almost everything, letting the republicans pull them so far right, from a center right starting point, the final product is straight up corporate sponsored legislation both parties are responsible for, both parties are satisfied w/. 

<<<>>>

Dems are up against the super 2020 billionaire pac of stump + fucking putin.  Love how Mayor Pete handled it, I really like him.

why do you like pete, say over cory booker, who is pretty much the same candidate. nice corporate dem, follows the lead from their big donors, isn't for changing anything, just keeping the status quo going. 

it's unfortunate people think the only way to beat big/corporate money in politics, is with corporate money in politics. fucking ass backwards. here's the kicker -- bernie is proving you don't have to. haha. 

racket -- your meme is sad. 

your inner trump really coming out huh. 

Lol at bk....

meeting with exclusive elites....doesn't mean they're beholden....lol, ha ha. Ok man

Half those billionaires give to every candidate, in the hopes that one may take it up the ass for them. They know it's a crap shoot, because they know that the winning candidate may vote their way, the way of another billionaire, or all on their own. Giving money to a candidate doesn't mean they'll vote your way. Lol at thinking that it always does.

And Turts, I'm not stopping you from having nice things.

Shut the fuck up. Pyramid.

>>>>completely out of touch w/ the political pulse of the nation. 

Just because you and your bros dream of free shit, doesn’t mean the rest of us do.

bernie stands on stage and says he will raise taxes. You clowns are willing to let this guy tax you into poverty.

Turtle, you should stick with DNB and surfing, you tool.

taxing wall st., corporations and the 1% is making me poor?

how does that work?

>Giving money to a candidate doesn't mean they'll vote your way<

....ok just 99.9% of the time...

 

ok for the bernie naysayers....WHO is your guy or gal? i mean....you have to pick one now that you think can win on the national level. don't give me "i'll vote for whoever the dem nominee will be"...make a fucking pick and explain WHY they are better or the one. thanks.

 

Personally, I think it's downright silly to think a billionaire is going to give money without expecting that it buys them much more clout than a joe-schmoe making a tiny, little donation...but that's not the issue. There are two issues:

1) Maybe a billionaire really is a nice guy who wants to donate to a candidate and expect nothing in return (lol) but ethically it's not something you can regulate. You're allowing a subjective measure to be applied to something that potentially has dramatic consequences for an entire nation. So, no, I don't think normal people should be subject to Mayor Pete, or Elizabeth Warren, or anyone's SUBJECTIVE EVALUATION of who are the nice guy billionaires and who aren't, because quite frankly, politicians have a pretty bad track record in that arena. 

2) Ethically, why should any one individual have access to such a huge donation power in a democracy anyhow? Where's the logic in that? Again, there has to be justice and fairness in a democratic system, and if one person is allowed to make a 10 million dollar donation, whereas the average voter's donation power (buy-in capacity) is at MAYBE 2,000 dollars. So, there should definitely be legally imposed donation caps - no matter who donates, they shouldn't be able to donate more than around 2,500 dollars, and may only do so as individuals, NOT as corporations or companies. But that requires massive campaign finance reform, and the only candidate who would even try to attack that beast is Bernie; that's a no-brainer. 

Sure, many say that they are behind Bernie, but a ton of them won't get off their asses to vote.

Those who say they are behind Trump will vote for him, and a bunch of others will too. Trump represents the political pulse of the country, at least for those that mater, the ones who will vote. 

By the way, did anyone else catch Bernie's pandering at the last debate? He said, "I'm a proud Jew." What? For the last 30 years he's said that although he was born Jewish, that's as far as it went. You don't think that was a calculated answer to get some Jewish votes?

>>But that requires massive campaign finance reform, and the only candidate who would even try to attack that beast is Bernie; that's a no-brainer. 
 

You're right about the need for campaign finance reform, but Bernie can't make it happen. We need a much more liberal Senate, and maybe a Democratic House majority with more than 2 years under their belts. 

still waiting for your picks...

 

racket should stick to snowboarding and beer.

I have over 2 months before the primary. Why do I have to pick now? I'm waiting for the field to become more manageable, and then I'll take a critical look at everyone who is still standing.

Turts, when you take the family out for dinner do you make them choose their meal before you leave the house?

oh undecided....lol. ok buddy. 

 

i'll even give you my second choice, kolbachar or however you spell it.

 

and yeah, when we eat out my mind is made up beforehand if i go out to a usual place. a new place may take a minute or 3. my 'ol lady hates it...she's undecided until the last second like you.

Poor turtle.  Life is so tough.

jav, aren’t you an economical elite in your country?

racket the little trumper that could. lol. you're a mess. you sound like fox news. 

I literally order last, and make a last second decision when the server gets to me.

You love your ol' lady in spite of it, maybe you can learn to love me.

bk wrong again. 

bernie is the only candidate that will motivate people to vote, get people who have never participated, to finally participate, become active. it's why he's the best choice to defeat trump. wtf. it's why he's going to win in iowa, NH, CA, it's why he's down by 7 in SC, after being down by 30+ and getting blown out in 2016. 

literally the complete opposite of what you're stating. 

Racket, move to Idaho. It's European.

what about counter service? 

do you hold up the line w/ your indecision? 

For your sake, OGKB, I hope you're right. I don't see how Bernie is going to motivate people in the same way Obama did. I'm not sure how you can so unequivocally say I'm wrong. You're not Nostradamus.

Poor slacker, life is so tough.

I never hold up anything. I have a few choices, and make a final decision as soon as I'm asked. And then I leave a pretty good tip.

Slacker, how does your wife deal with a whiney bitch like yourself all day.  If I was her I’d kick you in the pool and make sure you didn’t come back up.  

Racket, I've never said my life is hard or rough. You project because you're unhappy. 

 

racket is an oppressed middle aged white male taxed almost to death.

Poor turtle.  His life is so tough.

well b/c of the 5mil individual donations for one. hasn't happened before. the enthusiasm is palpable, and no other candidate evokes

as much will for actual change and action than bernie. indisputable. 

his massive grassroots movement, yes movement, which no other candidate has, that is appealing to working class americans for one, funded by nurses and teachers, but also b/c the youth has indicated they strongly support bernie and bernie's ideals moving forward -- the 18 (first time voters) to 24 age group, overwhelmingly supports bernie. i know, these people historically don't show up -- they did for obama, and will for bernie, even more so. it's understood that bernie is the climate change candidate, engaged youth have nobody else to vote for. 

 

OG, are you an Eagles fan?

not a fan of football. 

I am sorry you are in such pain racket......

Just take a few deep breaths 

exhale and let it go.....

Turtle drinks liquid lunches and wonders why he’s still renting.

Bunch of bernouts looking for handouts.

so lashy-outty brah.

not sure why you have a problem with me but don't care.

have fun being an angry white guy.

Kook, go back to Jersey.

Is being white supposed to be an insult? Lol

oh you DO have a problem.

have another drink asshole.

i'm out the door to a family party in pedro, where some of my family have been since the 40's.

enjoy your dumpy condo in long beach archie bunker.

 

 

 

 

jersey has great pizza tho. 

And beaches...

Tom Steyer is an interesting candidate. Let me know if any of you would like me to send the spreadsheet I made on his policies?

jr get ready to fall in line, it's coming. 

Racket, I guess by the economic indicators, yes, I am. I'm between what's categorized as class C1a and C1b (A and B being the highest). This means I make about 3,000 USD a month. It entitles me to such luxuries as owning a car (55% of people in my group own one), having a cell phone with a pre-paid plan (77% of people in my group have one), and I'm part of the 85 or so percent of people in my class who have a college education and a career based around it. 

I also pay half a mortgage on a house, which in Chile is indeed a massive luxury, to be a home "owner". My house is about 120 m2, or like 360 square feet (built), on about 200 m2 of land (600 square feet or so). So yeah, I basically live in a smurf mushroom, but I feel blessed.

My lower upper class life in Chile is roughly equivalent to a lower middle class life in the USA. Think about that for a bit. And then ask yourself how the United States manages to have such an amazing quality of life compared to the rest of the world. Is it due to American genius and innovation? Or Manifest Destiny maybe? Or just on plain old bloodthirsty, military backed corporate rule?

So anyways, what did my socioeconomic status have to do with this? Believe me, I can't afford to make political donations of any ilk, but for a candidate like Bernie in Chile, I'd pony up a couple thousand dollars some how.

Want to tell us about your socioeconomic status, Racket?

I just think it’s funny someone who is in the upper class in his society is trying to tell us how to treat the upper class in our society.

Turtle thinks I live in Long Beach and belong to a union.  Haha, just because your life is stagnant doesn’t mean everyone’s is.

Racket fly's to Amsterdam for handjobs.

Slacker has never left California.

Don't need to. Lining up some summer vacations in Santa Cruz and Mendocino. 

Edward James Olmos is the voice of California. Come get some. 

You're not a real man until you get a $20 hand job in Amsterdam.  Everyone knows that Slacker. 

< It Is Plainly Wrong To Meet Donors In A Billionaires Crystal Wine Cave >

Beats airport men's rooms, eh republikans ?

Hey javs, ever read this book ? I think you'd dig it.

 

The Motorcycle Diaries (book) - Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Motorcycle_Diaries_(book)

 

The Motorcycle Diaries: Notes on a Latin American Journey - Che Guevara, Ernesto Guevara - Google Books
https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Motorcycle_Diaries.html?id=DzJn...

well i enjoy my "stagnant" life just fine, certainly could be much worse. i love where i live. i'm doing "ok", currently enjoying 16 paid vacation days. will still have enough $ to go see my silly band in hawaii too.

so far, for no real reason you've called me a tool, a kook, and where to live.

because i prefer bernie sanders to other politicians? not sure when i fucked your mother or touched you inappropriately. 

and yeah, if i didn't emigrate from jersey in 1976, i'd probably own a beach house,have gotten better waves, and have been closer to a lot more gd shows all while enjoying better pizza.

you're right, it sucks being me.

 

 

 

 

turts idk how your life can be stagnant with all the zoners moms you go around touching inappropriately

a new mom, a new day, always something unique

Geez, Racket, for a second I considered writing you a thoughtful answer but you're just not worth it. So yeah, you stick with whatever you want to think about me, that's fine.

Raz, I have read both of those books (The Motorcycle Diaries and the one that comes after it, forget the name). I like them a good bit, but they're also unbearably blazé about what would become of Ernesto "Che" Guevara. He was an interesting character until he decided that being a ruthless, bloodthirsty murderer was the only way to get things done. He was pretty much Fidel Castro's pitbull and happily did ALL the dirty work. After a certain point he became controversial even by Castro's standards, which is why they sent him to Bolivia to die. Interesting story, but ultimately I despise Che as much as Trump or anyone else who thinks violence, bloodshed and intolerance are the road to the solution.

And Turtle, I bet there's a ton of hot moms out where you live, so good on ya', pal. Glad to hear that California living is treating you ok. I'm not sure who called your life stagnant or why, but it sounds like a damn good life to me. Still psyched about getting out to your neck of the woods and eating fish tacos and drinking cold beer together. :)

lol mayor pete. gotta pay to play. corporate dems to the core.

remember yesterday's discussion ? 

 

https://www.axios.com/pete-buttigieg-financing-fundraising-email-2b0014b...

berie will be the dem nominee.

 

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That’s what I thought, Jav.  Income inequality is AOK, as long as you’re on the right side.

Javs I'm not surprised you're up on that reading, but I see it a whole different light. Too bad all you see in him was violence when he was so much more.  You yourself write about the extreme inequality among classes in your country, taking swipes at the US in the process. At what point do you get tired of being used and say, enough. Then realize you have no fucking chance other than to become militant.  I admire Che as much as Gandhi, they just had different methods. At the very least he taught the people to have pride, hope and how to organize and resist. Love that man lots, cant believe you're not a fan. If not for him Latin americans would still be on their knees licking US imperialist boot.  Power to the people man !

 

As a young medical student, Guevara traveled throughout South America and was radicalized by the poverty, hunger, and disease he witnessed.[7] His burgeoning desire to help overturn what he saw as the capitalist exploitation of Latin America by the United States prompted his involvement in Guatemala's social reforms under President Jacobo Árbenz, whose eventual CIA-assisted overthrow at the behest of the United Fruit Company solidified Guevara's political ideology.[7] Later in Mexico City, Guevara met Raúl and Fidel Castro, joined their 26th of July Movement, and sailed to Cuba aboard the yacht Granma with the intention of overthrowing U.S.-backed Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista.

< burnie will be the dem nominee

But if not will you vote for who is ?

Remember I voted burnie in 16 when the voices of right wing fuglies were still at a dull roar, compared to todays flaming assholes abound amerika. I just don't think burnie can win in this political environment.  Here's what I think it'll look like

Biden / Klobachar  2020 ( with Joe announcing he'll only do 1 term)

Then Klobuchar / Booker in 2024 + 2028

Billionaires are donating to Biden and bootygig out of the kindness of their hearts. Come on man. You can't say that without chuckling. It's called legally buying politicians so you can later on gain growth in your interests. If Biden didn't hold their interests in mind then they wouldn't give him a cent. Rich people don't give out money unless they expect 25% returns.

^^haha omg. trump gets the popular and electoral against biden/klobochar, easy. 

thanks javs, but haven't been in the hot mom market for a long while.

good on ya for giving thoughtful articulate answers when others just resort to putdowns and insults.

hope things are stabalizing down there.?

 

still waiting for zoner picks....

If you were a basketball player who thought the rims should be moved from 10 feet to 11 feet you would have a really hard time being successful if you started shooting in games as if the rim was already at 11 feet.

The vast majority of Democrats want the rim moved to 11 feet. All the Republicans want the rim to stay at 10 feet. The game is currently played at 10 feet. The best way to move the rims to 11 feet is to win the game and which gives you the power to change the rules.

>> drinks liquid lunches and wonders why he’s still renting.

Heading home from work for a little liquid lunch right now. Probably a nice course of NyQuil followed by a couple beers and a shot or two. Then I’ll enjoy getting in my car and heading back to finish up a nice day on the shift.

I say, what’s the fucking problem with that? Eh, racket? Uppity much??

Obama admin wasn't beholden to the banking industry?? How much money did they make loaning money to kids to go to college for jobs they didn't need a degree for. Phoenix university settlement covers Obama years...

The $191 Million Settlement With University Of Phoenix Should Shame The Department Of Education

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereknewton/2019/12/12/the-151-million-sett...

 

NYT columnist breaks down how corporate media's dogmatic centrism dictates the ‘negative tone running through’ coverage of Sanders and Warren

https://www.alternet.org/2019/12/nyt-columnist-breaks-down-how-corporate...

^somebody playing the repeater 

Brian sorry for telling you off I was in foul mood. Just the BS around the copy/paste has been a problem on viva. Shoot the messenger so that the message doesn't get out like republicans do.

Yes above article is on ALTERNET.ORG but is NYT columnist ripping his media org.

I watch MsNBC allot they ignored Bernie Sanders filling up every College BBall arena in america during 2016 primaries while covering everything Trump said for ratings conviicing some Obama voters in the process. Trumps BS crowds is all we heard about but Bernie had bigger crowds. But they were dumb college students vs dumb racists. I'll go with College students!

bernie surging in CA., holding 1st --  +5 to warren's -7 and biden's -6

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Bernie-Sanders-Elizabeth-Warren-...

To break this down:

Mainstream media is against Trump, Bernie and Warren, except Fox News, which is against everyone but Trump.

The alt right media is against everyone but Trump, and the alt left  media is against everyone but Bernie, except for Warren when it suits their narrative.

Do I have that right?

Boy, I'm glad I don't spend time watching or reading  overpaid talking heads yabbering on or writing opinion pieces about nothing. I get the same thing here, and at least it's interactive. I swear, I don't think that most of those people on Fox, CNN or MSNBC know much more than any of us.

Congrats on leading in CA! No big surprise there...

 

Meanwhile....Biden is leading in PA, MI, WI, OH, AZ...the actual swing states that matter this cycle.

Two party system the choice in 2020 is...

3rd Bill Clinton administration or

3rd George H.W. Bush administration

Fuck that

 

It's corporate media, 'moderate' Democrats and the oligarchy versus Bernie Sanders in 2020

https://www.alternet.org/2019/12/its-corporate-media-moderate-democrats-...

...For mass media owned by oligarchs and their corporate entities, affinity with the “moderate” orientations of Biden, Buttigieg and Klobuchar is clear. Any one of them would be welcomed by corporate elites as protection against what they see as a hazardous upsurge of progressive populism...

good stuff guys. so is bk still saying the bernie blackout is fake? what's the alt left media? do you consider democracy now alt left media? strange. he also stated that politicians that take money from the 1% and corporations arent beholden to their interests -- and then we see buttigieg doing exactly that -- haha awesome. and of course biden does it, klobochar, HRC, warren, booker, on and on......ah, except bernie. 

ned bernie leading in CA is huge. also bernie gaining ground in MI PA WI while biden continues to drop. you can discredit all you want, but remember bernie is not only taking on the gop, but he's taking on the dem establishment, all while the corporate media ignores his massive movement and months long surge -- most recent examples are the lack of coverage on his 15k person rally in venice the other day, and earlier today CNN pushing an early nov. IA poll showing him in 4th lol, when in reality it's a tie at the moment.

So, is AlterNet supposed to be more or less reliable a news source than the networks? 

rut ro...

'Pretty Brazen Stuff': Email Shows Top Buttigieg Fundraiser Offering Campaign Influence in Exchange for Donations

"Pete's fat-cat mega-donors are telling each other that if you donate big money to his campaign, it gives you access and influence. And of course it does. That's why they give it. And why it's a problem."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/12/23/pretty-brazen-stuff-email-s...

>>>So , is AlterNet supposed to be more or less reliable a news source than the networks? 

No about the same both present opinions more than they report the news. 

MsNBC has lawyers on, former prosecutors, defense attorney's, newspaper columnists, think tank talking heads, former Republicans, college professors and allot of respected people across our society. Now if they would just stop ignoring the Sanders/Warren enthusiasm that is largest segment of democratic party by far. 

Warren seen what happens from inside the democratic party when Obama try to fight CFPB and regulating banks to protect the banking industry. She changed her tune after seeing that corruption firsthand and decided to change things and run for president.

Elizabeth Warren is a bankruptcy expert and considering half the country is $1000 heathcare bill away from bankruptcy I'd pay attention 

How many committees has Bernie Sanders chaired in long career to help his people...ZERO

How many bills has he got passed to help his people sitting in between the two party closed monopoly...???

Racket, lol, if you're ever down in Chile come over to my place and drink a beer with me so you can revel in my high class lifestyle, mi casa es su casa.

Turtle, thanks to you, buddy. I know you're not doing the hot-mom thing at present, I just think some of the insults or put downs thrown around here are just so playground that it's fun to rap on that level, I guess, haha.

Raz, respectfully, I don't think you're very up on Latin American history. The truth is, the only countries that have made it out of poverty in Latin America are the countries who have sold their soul to the American-driven neoliberal corporate market. The countries who stuck with Che's revolutionary style (Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, etc) are all in the shithole now, and have been always. Now yes, there's a huge element there of suppression and sabotage of said countries by corporate forces, but the sad reality is that countries that have made it out of poverty (like Chile) did so by buying into the neoliberal model - in the Chilean case, full force, which in turn leads to the radical inequality we have today.

Did I take shots at the USA? I remember listing some statistics about environmental footprint and pointing out that that immense lifestyle is a direct result of global exploitation of resources driven by a military-backed economy. I've also railed against the neoliberal capitalist system, and yes, that at least in the Latin American sphere, the main player of influence in that game is American owned corporations, which are in turn supported by US politicians and policies.

But take shots at the USA? I love the USA. It would've been my home at one point if not for the weird turns of life. I've lived there about half my life, travelled over 27 states, been in the most rural backwoods bars and the Cheesecake Factory by Union Square in San Fran and everything in between. I have tons of friends out West, in the Rockies, and out East, as well as my sister brother in law and niece and nephew in Maryland. I am saddened by the constant gun violence, by seeing my friends all become gun owners over the years. I'm saddened by the normalization of racism and other such unpleasant tendencies, though totally unsurprised since I travelled a good bit in rural Montana and the Rockies in general. But yeah, take shots at the US? Twasn't my intention, and if I did I apologize. But I won't stop criticizing your government, policies, economy military, etc. It's called free speech. Some can deal with it, others can't.

Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts sparked this debate, pointing to the fund-raiser held for Mr. Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Ind., in a so-called “wine cave” as a way to draw a contrast between her campaign, which does not hold big dollar fund-raisers, and some of her competitors.  “Billionaires in wine caves should not pick the next president of the United States,” Ms. Warren said.

To which Mr. Buttigieg responded: "You know, according to Forbes magazine, I’m literally the only person on this stage who is not a millionaire or a billionaire. So this is important. This is the problem with issuing purity tests you cannot yourself pass...but also, Senator, your presidential campaign right now as we speak is funded in part by money you transferred, having raised it at those exact same big-ticket fund-raisers you now denounce."    

warren has accepted donations from 35 billionaires. 

warren transferred money from her senate (2018) campaign in which she took money from large corporate donors. 

this is why bernie's campaign is the only 100% grassroots campaign. most individual donations. most cash on hand. raises the most 1/4 to 1/4. and is polling tied 1st or 2nd within in error nation wide, and in 1st or 2nd in all early primary states -- where as warren is crumbling b/c she's not to be trusted and is seen as inauthentic, especially since backing away from M4A -- bernie has that rock solid trust, and his record of fighting for the people is why. 

the corporate media is responsible for warren's surge end of summer/early fall b/c of the endless coverage they gave her. to say msnbc has been ignoring her like bernie is false. 

Jav, you make 4-5 times more than the median in your country.  Up to 20 times more than the poorest in your country.  You should stay in your lane.  To put into perspective, I’d imagine most here don’t make even 1 times more than the US median. 

My sister is a millionaire.

Steyer 2020

"Take back Washington"

Racket, my entire country makes less than your median, buddy, because of the insane amount of resources your country and other first world nations gobble up. And hey man, I pay my taxes. Is your issue with me that I make more money than the median in my country? Seems like a pretty flaky ass argument on which to tell someone that they can't be in favor of taxing the rich and investing in social programs. But whatever man, you're obviously just looking for some fun side detour to the main topic here, which is that Bernie is the only motherfucker on the Democratic stage who can actually stand with his back straight and look anybody in the eyes and speak truth without corporate influence. Deal with it.

And BTW, according to google, the top 10% income in the USA is about 116k and the top 5% income is about 160k. And I'm right about in those groups in my country. I'd be willing to bet theres more than one zoner on here who is in that income range. Maybe I'm wrong...but I don't think so...

Let's see:

Round trip tickets to go see Dead and Co. wherever

Hotel room for 3 nights

Food and drinks. Lots of drinks.

Rugs. Lots of rugs.

Rinse and repeat regularly. 

And you're gonna tell me folks around here ain't got disposable cash?

You are no different than the billionaire.  Spin it all you want, the disparity is still there.  

Sure, pal. And you're no different than the millions of your brainless compatriots who wish to establish an environment where people attack people rather than policies or ideas, but hey - you do you, I'll do me. Unfortunately, it's going to be a sad, sad day when you, in alignment with the other corporate-dems and inherently in lock step with the Trumpian masses, get Trump reelected for a second term. I don't even know that I'll have the heart to type "I told you so" on that day, as it's going to be a very sad day for the planet, not just for selfish, belly-staring Americans like yourself. Oh well.

 

* Message sent from my private plane

Your car is equivalent to a private plane.  

Can we clear something up here? If and when Trump wins again, it's not going to be because of "corporate Democrats," centrists, or anything like that. It will be because 45% of the population didn't vote.

Vote for Bernie, vote for Trump, vote for a write-in, just vote.

< I don't think you're very up on Latin American history >

Not as much as someone who lives there, that's for sure. I only know what I've read, and I have a soft spot for anyone who stands up against oppression, especially one who plunges a sharp stick into their oppressors (US) eye. One mans revolutionary is another mans criminal.  Just curious, while you were out joining in your recent anti-govt protests (Che lives there),  didja notice any Che references,  shirts, sayings, posters ?  I really enjoy these sharing of pov's. You da man Javs, stay safe + Merry Christmas or should I say, Feliz Navidad.

>>>>>Vote for Bernie, vote for Trump, vote for a write-in, just vote.

 

No.

If you're a Trump supporter please stay home and don't vote.

Well yeah, seeing as how none of the Dem candidates are going to mobilize people to vote, the Trumpers would have to stay home. If voting was something that people did, in numbers like any other democracy, we wouldn't have Trump in the first place.

Racket, according to this article from 2018 (in Spanish), there is one car for ever 3.8 people in Chile. So I take it, by your analogy, that there is 1 private jet for every 3.8 people in the USA? Oh and Racket, as per google, there is 1 car for every 2 people in the US. So you know, I know it's hard for you to think in global terms, or think at all, but there's some food for though. Or though-gum for your chewin', if'n that's more your speed.

https://www.diarioconcepcion.cl/economia-y-negocios/2018/06/12/tasa-de-m...

 

Ras, thank you for your kind wishes. The whole Che symbolism has all but died out, at least in Chile. The new school of protest is galvanizing behind a different set of symbols. In Chile these are:

The Mapuche flag

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And this 8-pointed star, also a Mapuche symbol, which originally represents Venus.

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It's pretty cool, actually. Only about 5% of the population is Mapuche, but like 70% is mestizo to some degree. So people have mobilized around these symbols as symbols of the oppressed. It's a beautiful thing, in the protests there are no political party flags, only Mapuche symbols and some football team flags. The populace has largely turned their back on the government and politicians in general and are demanding change from the people's mouths. Unfortunately, the powers that be are strong in their corporate ways and the motion created by all this has been largely coopted by those who seek to control society. In fact, the winds keep blowing right into the hands of our local far-right candidate, who just happens to be REALLY corporate friendly. And good friends with Bolsonaro. Who's good friends with Bannon. And, well, you know the rest...

If you Google "protests in chile" on google images, you can see how all the images have Chilean flags and Mapuche flags, with the occasional football team flag. 

lol the centrists gave us trump, bk. you don't get it? 

and you think running a centrist, which trump beat in 2016, will work this time? 

you just don't get what's going on -- b/c it hasn't really happened before. 

<<<>>>seeing as how none of the Dem candidates are going to mobilize people to vote

this is where you're mistaken. this is one of the reasons bernie will win -- he wins iowa b/c of this, NH, CA, potentially SC (losing SC by 5 points is a win there for bernie). bernie has mobilized a movement of first time voters and people who have never been motivated to vote before -- no other candidate can mobilize people like bernie. why? b/c he's the only candidate people trust to do what he says. 

Trump beat a shitty candidate that was besieged by smear campaigns from the far right and far left, and she made strategic campaign errors. She could have been far left, and she still would have lost. It's a stretch to unequivocally state that it was because she's a centrist. But if it suits your narrative...

yeah you just don't get it.

>> no other candidate can mobilize people like bernie. <<

Perhaps, but his policies will also have many voters in the middle vote against his policies (tax increases) or not vote at all. You need to be open to this this reality.

Get what? What you are saying is a meme, not fact. Although I've looked, I've seen no data that mass amounts of voters in the key swing states didn't vote for a Hillary because she was too center. I have seen data showing that they stayed home or voted for Trump, because they saw her as a criminal, or whatever. 

Pyramid, you're great at regurgitating Socialist talking points while at the same time putting down others for spewing talking points. Just know that they aren't facts.

this is crazy -- you support bloomberg, right JR? 

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/24/mike-bloomberg-2020-prison-labor/

 

ned -- not perhaps, most definitely. this has been proven w/ his rally's. nobody else even comes close.

his progressive policies won't alienate people in the rust belt states like WV MI PA OH WI etc (remember he won MI in '16), in fact it's the opposite. M4A and GND are massively popular policy platform ideas that most of america supports.

between the youth vote, first time voters that will only show up for bernie, independents, republicans that are disgusted w/ establishment politics and trump = the strongest candidate to defeat trump. 

there's a reason he's the only candidate, including trump, w/ over 4mil individual donations, and now close to 5 -- he raised over 1million dollars on the debate night last week -- i mean buttigieg talks about 700k donors -- not even close. nobody will bring people out to vote like bernie -- which is desperately needed to defeat trump. 

That's actually Tom Steyer's brother, Jim. 

you don't get that people aren't going to get out and vote for corporate dems any longer -- not enough to beat the GOP. HRC was a terrible candidate for many reasons (none of which are emails/etc, strictly talking her policy stances), one b/c she didn't embrace the political movement people were screaming for in 2016. she fought it the entire way. she only embraced certain ideas when she saw them politically advantageous -- it was apparent she had to adopt some of bernie's policy b/c that's what the people wanted. then she picked tim kaine lol. 

you've stated politicians who accept money from these big donors. corporate execs. aren't beholden to their interests -- that's fucking insane dude. you're obviously a very smart person -- how the fuck do you not understand that? 

 

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-12-23/bernie-sanders-is-still...

>> his progressive policies won't alienate people in the rust belt states like WV MI PA OH WI etc <<

If it involves a tax increase many voters will be turned off. And, it will be a massive tax increase. You think the whole "you'll be able to keep your plan..." thing was bad, how about all you rust-belters losing your union health plan? Good luck with that.

I would highly recommend you step out of your bubble, pheater.

 

Aah, because of the meaning of "beholden." It a candidate accepts money from 47 billionaires, 200 corporations and 75 PACs, and each has its own agenda, often at odds with the agendas of the others, that candidate can't be beholden to all of them. It's just impossible.

Don't kid yourself. If Obama, a centrist, could magically run in 2020, you better believe that voters would mobilize behind him and vote. Sadly, it's personality over policy. Trump got plenty of votes because of who he is, and he'll get tons in 20, for the same reason.

Oh, as an FYI, Bernie's progressive policies have alienated him from many working class stiffs in Barre, VT and throughout the state. They see him as a carpetbagging flatlander who wants to tax them to death and take away their freedom. And these are people he's represented for 25+ years. 

that's funny man -- people will be paying less than what they are paying now for healthcare, fact. i highly recommend you look it up, honestly, and stop telling people lies that the GOP and corporate media push.

american unions support the union candidate -- bernie sanders. what bubble do you live in where it's otherwise?

remember bernie is going to win your state, you're in the minority. 

you're doing the bidding of corporate health care executives, that's sad. 

so jr has styer.

nobody else has made a pick.

da fuck does javs income have to do with any of this shit?

 

make a pick.

<<<>>>>Aah, because of the meaning of "beholden." It a candidate accepts money from 47 billionaires, 200 corporations and 75 PACs, and each has its own agenda, often at odds with the agendas of the others, that candidate can't be beholden to all of them. It's just impossible.

lol holy shit man. you think the 47 billionaires have different agendas? how fucking naive are you? 

bernie sanders received just about 70% of the vote in his 2018 re-election campaign in Vermont. 

vermont loves bernie. 

I haven't decided who I'm voting for, heater.
 

I'm looking at this as an unbiased voter from 30,000'.

You are biased.

 

The youth vote is the most unmotivated block in the electorate. I would guess the net gain of "youth" voters would be overcome by unmotivated "centrists" that don't like bernie's increased taxes (yes, that's how they will be framed by GOP/Trump. They will hammer this 'til the cows come home).

i know, i'm not asking. just stating a fact. 

and of course the GOP will ram that home -- and you regurgitating that GOP/corporate media talking point doesn't make it any less false of a statement lol. 

>> and you regurgitating that GOP/corporate media talking point <<

 

Your attempts to discredit reality this way is getting worrisome. This election will play itself out in that environment. Again, Bernie needs to get on the TV more and more and more. Blaming his lack of coverage on a media blackout is weak sauce. His communications wing is failing him bigly.

Pyramid, my GF works for Health Care Access. She has story after story of people declining their free Medicare because they refuse to take government handouts. 

President Sanders would be a revolution, which has to be led by the educated middle class. The irony is, although their policies greatly benefit the uneducated working class, the opposition will paint it as totalitarianism, which is abhorrent to that bloc. I can guarantee that Trump would be out there saying, "those elitist Northeasterners want to take away your rights and freedoms," and people  would buy it. And then there's that little thing about him being Jewish. Don't minimize ingrained anti Semitism. Your scenario is in a perfect world where people listen, understand and can put aside their inherent biases. That ain't the world we live in.

Now, if Bernie could somehow use fear as a tactic to motivate people, he'd have a chance. It's the tactic that would be used against him.  God fearing folks fear Commie pinko Jews who want to take their money and tell them what to do.

It's important to listen to what that 30% of Vermonters who didn't vote for him have to say.

i agree w/ you -- he needs to hold more rally's and be on corporate media more, so people like you stop spreading lies. 

did you know he held a rally in venice CA last week and 15k people showed up? 

the blackout makes it tough -- you not recognizing that is weak sauce, and also worrisome since it's widely recognized as a blatant attempt to silence the politcal revolution. 

Do you really think that billionaires all have the same agenda? Damn, you really don't understand the ego that drives someone to be a billionaire. Their only agenda is themselves. Sure, sometimes policies may benefit many of them, but that's not how quid pro quo works.

Lol what lies am I spreading? I'm stating my opinions as the opinion of some nobody in Vermont. You're spreading your regurgitated opinions as facts.

i was responding to ned. 

bk, again, you've stated politicians can't be bought by large donations. this is 100% untrue. 

so...your guys' pick is oprah?

I never said they can't. I stated that it doesn't always mean that they are. I'm not using hyperbole or absolutes.

Steyer is a billionaire, as is Bloomberg. Their policies differ, yet they don't all benefit the 0.5%, and they are quite different than Trump's.

look, i am worried about the centrists.

see how many there are here.

50 yrs of propaganda telling people how bad socialism is...

yeah it's a thing. hopefully there are enough people of AOC's generation that are not stuck in that paradigm.

the blackout IS real. he has larger rallies and crowds than any other dem candidate. what about that? why is that? who else is even close to that much grassroots support? oh, nobody is.

blah blah, they said we couldn't have a black president and it happened.

 

 

I don't know, I watch the local news and they cover Bernie 10:1 over anyone else. I also watch either CBS or NBC evening news. Both of them seem to spread the Dem nominee coverage pretty equally. Is the blackout on CNN and MSNBC? They don't cover anything anyway. It's mostly just  negative opinions about everything, so I don't watch.

well the local news in ca doesn't cover him for shit.

i rarely watch the cnn or type drivel but when i do, they don't really give him the time of day. it's all trump vs. the world coverage...

local papers, nope. 

i'm sure vermont is a bit different and doesn't really represent the national coverage.

 

corporate media was pushing a poll graphic from iowa all day yesterday from 6 weeks ago showing bernie in 4th. shameful shit.

nothing on his huge rally in LA. 

these are just the two latest blatant examples. 

the lines are drawn so damn clearly, the blackout is so real, that it makes centrists think bernies base is crazy. it's working to some extent, but not nearly as well as 2016. more people have awoken to the fact that only one candidate is real and has their back. 

bernie is going after their corporate owners, no shit they try and discredit/not cover at all/make up and use outdated info, etc. 

if they covered him fairly, this wouldn't even be a race. 

bloomberg was caught using prison labor to make campaign calls. lol. 

jesus h. christ.

typical billionaire asshole won't pay normal wages.

telling.

>>50 yrs of propaganda telling people how bad socialism is...

Turtle, surely must be talking about a different kind of socialism, lol.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states

racket supports trump. lol. 

I don’t, but keep trying.

didn't you say you'd vote for him against bernie? 

Nope but keep trying.  

word. you just post trump memes. got it. 

I have not, but typical of your type, you create a narrative that supports your believes.

you've been to europe, right?

 

it will be killer when social security is entirely replaced by corporate gambling.

when people are old, just kill them.

>>  i agree w/ you -- he needs to hold more rally's and be on corporate media more, so people like you stop spreading lies.....the blackout makes it tough -- you not recognizing that is weak sauce, and also worrisome since it's widely recognized as a blatant attempt to silence the politcal revolution. <<

 

Settle down, Francis.

What lies am I spreading? I am reporting what I see and hear. Opposing POVs do matter. You ignoring them, or labeling them as 'spoon-fed talking points' makes you look stupid and ignorant.

Europe’s welfare state is not what it once was, nor is it socialism.  

the majority of union members in the US are represented by unions that support M4A. 

the argument that : 

-your taxes will drastically increase (w/ no return, like good healthcare) 

-union healthcare, which was bargained for, will be taken away

 

these are both GOP/corporate media/establishment dem talking points that are meant to scare/confuse. 

the fact is, w/ M4A, union members will be able to bargain for things like higher wages and other benefits, and not have to sacrifice those things for paying for expensive and ever increasing healthcare costs. 

this is why you wil continue to see bernie get the labor endorsements. 

ned, do the right thing. 

According to this article, the LA Times printed nothing with regards to the 10,000 people who rallied for Bernie in Venice Beach:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/los-angeles-times-bernie-sanders-rally

So, if the LA Times doesn't cover a political rally 10k strong of one of the major contenders for the democratic nomination, I would say that's pretty solid evidence for at least a partial blackout.

Oh, and Racket, I'm still waiting for you to tell me about the 1 private jet for 3.8 people in the USA. See, now that I know that you're a Trumpette, it all starts making more sense. Don't worry, pal, you'll have your wish come January 21...but I may have to reconsider inviting you over for a beer.

same thing happened when they did the queens rally -- LA was 14K+, nyc was almost 30k i believe -- nobody was covering the queens rally except democracy now. 

but anytime he has a rally he has the largest crowd size. anywhere. every time.

why? b/c he has the largest base, most diverse base, anywhere. he attracts people to the rally that have never voted before, he motivates people to attend a rally -- you got that naysayers? a rally. just wait for people to rally around bernie once the voting starts. shits done. 

Jav, the disparity between you and most in your country is nothing different than the disparity between billionaires and most in this country.  Like it or not that’s how it is.  You are a have in a sea of have nots.  Nothing wrong with that, you earned it. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_vehicles_per_capita

Venice Beach is an absolute shit hole, with feces, needles, trash all over.  I’d imagine half that showed up for your Messiahs rally were the tent dwelling tweekers that have invaded Venice.  15k is being generous based on the photos.

^so angry. 

it was over 14k. 

>>>>>.  I’d imagine half that showed up for your Messiahs rally were the tent dwelling tweekers that have invaded Venice.  

 

Minimum wage workers need to live near work. 

<<<>>>Biden is leading in PA, MI, WI, OH, AZ...the actual swing states that matter this cycle.

remember bernie won 71 of 72 counties in WI in 2016 -- wisconsin loves bernie, just like MI. reasonable republicans, not white nationalist loving ones like thom, but republicans that are disgusted w/ trump, but will never vote corporate dem, will vote bernie. HRC lost both MI and WI, and of course PA , jesus -- he'll win all those districts in PA then went trump after going obama twice. this is why bernie is the candidate to go against trump. 

None of those fools are working.  

>>>>>>but republicans that are disgusted w/ trump, but will never vote corporate dem, will vote bernie.

blahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha At least heater has jokes.

It's all set up nicely. If Bernie doesn't get the Democratic nomination, it can be blamed on the DNC and msm. If he gets the nomination, and loses to Trump, it'll be the fault of the corporate media, centrist Democrats, and anyone else who can be scapegoated.

Too many correlations about rally size and ability to motivate people to vote are being made. Both Trump supporters and Bernie supporters live for that shit, and their bases will wait for 8 hours to see their Man. However, that in no way translates to voter motivation. Yeah, the numbers are impressive, but it's reaching at straws to equate it with anything more than that. 

To out it in perspective, the New York metro area has great public transportation and 20 million people. 30k isn't that special. The friggin' Mets routinely draw 50k to Queens, and they suck.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/12/23/bernie-blackout-strikes-aga...

this was cnn two days ago blatantly trying to discredit bernie's momentum/standing in the race as the top tier candidate. 6 week old poll haha. corporate media trash. 

and centrists say there is no bias. absurd. 

even in this thread -- no replies from centrist about buttigieg openly letting donors purchase influence, bloomberg exploiting female prison workers -- imagine if bernie did that. y'all would be foaming at the mouth.

Love You Guys, but ,,,,,,

Ramones - Merry Christmas (I Don't Want To Fight Tonight)
https://youtu.be/4Y5GtaTrPHM

>>>>>>>>but republicans that are disgusted w/ trump, but will never vote corporate dem, will vote bernie

Holy shit, I missed that gem. Just because a ton of Bernie Bros refused to vote for that corporate Dem, Hillary, and instead voted for Trump, it sure as hell doesn't mean that any Republican will vote for Bernie. They aren't looking for a revolution. They want Roe v Wade overturned, a stacked SCOTUS, trickle down economics, etc. Unlike the Bernie Bro's who were just beating their Neanderthal chests, Republicans actually have political convictions. Bernie isn't part of it.

I'll ditto the blahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

racket you are a joke. lol. 

bk your have a twisted way of looking at things man -- it's only like that if it's like that, the dnc hates bernie -- what, you don't think so? if i recall, you think 2016 went smooth w/ no issues for was completely fair, correct?

when warren held her nyc rally the corporate media was all over the crowd size, b/c it was the largest at the time. sounds crazy to even be talking about  this dumb shit. just cover all  the candidates fairly. 

you don't think there's a blackout, you don't think his rally's are impressive and directly correlate to activism, even tho they're the largest of the campaign every time; you're comparing them to mlb stadiums? haha ok man. 

so when there's evidence of bernie motivating people to get active, new young voters, older people that haven't voted before or in decades, we just ignore it, right? his ground game of knocking on hundreds of thousands of doors in tiny states like iowa and nh while biden and buttiege are holding high dollar fundraisers w/ corporate executives and fossil fuel companies is to be ignored? 

same w/ south carolina? he got crushed in 2016 there as we all know. he was down by like 30 points just two months ago, and is now within 7. ignore? 1st in CA, but that's a liberal state, ignore? 

 

what's hilarious is that you call yourself a progressive. 

you're centrist to the core buddy -- who didn't vote for obama.....lots of questions on that one. 

God, it drives you crazy that I don't like Bernie for POTUS. Lol

You keep calling me twisted because I don't buy your propaganda, or because I don't view it all in the same black and white terms as do you. It's pretty rich when you resort to calling me centrist, too. It shows your limited understanding of our political system.

not at all man. you're just on the wrong side of history, again. 

and you believe that politicians that have big money fundraisers w/ industry executives doesn't always mean influence is being purchased. nothing more needs to be said about who has limited understanding of our political system. 

So black and white in your thinking. Oh well.

As I've said, Bernie is pretty spot on with his assessment of the problems. He falls short in offering viable, long-term solutions that can make it through Congress and that all sides can and will support (or learn to over time). A Socialist revolution isn't viable.

so misinformed. oh well. 

If not buying your propaganda makes me misinformed, I'm okay with that.

propaganda lol.

you're defending a corrupt system. 

Not defending, in any way, shape or form. The funny thing is that day-in-day-out I work to end one of the root causes of social injustice at the most grassroots level, and I do it because I care and I know it makes a difference. I could make considerably more money, but I choose to do what I do because it's necessary. I also give of my time and money to causes that matter. My labors of love go far beyond putting a political sign on my lawn or attending a rally. My understanding of root causes is much deeper than some shit I read on the internet or hear from radicals. My worldview is shaped by 50 years of seeing, caring, and working to make a difference.

So, you do you and judge people on who they will or won't vote for, without knowing much more. It doesn't change what I do every day, and it doesn't negate the effect I have on individuals, families, and ultimately generations.

How about you: other than beating people over the head with Bernie and being an elitist, what are you doing to make a difference?

Pyramids

are in Egypt 

not to upset you, but  

You think that you are pure and everyone else is wrong

You and Thom bat from the same side of the plate....

The meltdown is going to be all time.

i've stated this many times which you choose to ignore -- difference of opinion is fine, i'm not shaming anybody -- i mean, haven't we all trolled each other in some way in this thread? def guilty of that -- am i the only one that can admit that? lol come on.

if somebody supports biden, fine. but ill continue to call out bs, why the fuck not?

bernie is sinking -- call that shit out, he's been surging, bernie blackout isn't real, call that shit out, bernie can't win rust belt states, already has, call that shit out, most americans don't support M4A, call it out. union members don't want M4A, call it out w/ facts. 

as i've stated, def used to being on the losing team so to speak -- so no meltdown from me for you racket. 

in fact, many here continue to use bernie bro, which doesn't bother me at all, but is intended to be a slight at bernie supporters/the movement. remember bernies base is mostly female -- fact.  

centrist is indeed a term used to define somebody w/ moderate policy views. not a slight. 

LLTD -- thom sucks, but your creepy call out threads and borderline psychotic posts are almost worse than what thom posts. congrats. 

Yes I do choose to troll

I read the news, and freak out, and it "makes" me "psychotic"

And  yes, difference of opinion rocks

thin skin is thin, just saying, mirror mirror...

 passion is good.  (In moderation like anything else)

carry on and happy holidays

For the record, OGKB, I don't consider you a Bernie Bro.

Although I don't troll you, I do take some pleasure in how confused you are by me. It makes me laugh.

 Hey, all the best to you and yours this Holiday Season.

happy holidaze, bk. 

still no picks.

when will the grownups decide who we can vote for?

Would it be okay if I told you who I definitely won't vote for?

you got 15min, roll a fatty and watch this, the focus group clips are great, the commentary sucks:

https://youtu.be/Bjf94SDQuIE

this is post LA debate. 

There's no such thing as the working class. Just middle class homeowners and junkies that live on their sidewalks.

>>>>>I've stated, def used to being on the losing team so to speak

a life full of participation trophies.

^haha. little trumper. so angry. 

<<<>>>Venice Beach is an absolute shit hole, with feces, needles, trash all over.  I’d imagine half that showed up for your Messiahs rally were the tent dwelling tweekers that have invaded Venice.  15k is being generous based on the photos.

this is gold right here. 

theres feces all over venice? 

there prolly is pyramid. so cal has one of the highest concentrations of homeless in the country....

 

gee golly boys and girls, why might that be?

 

the surge continues.

 

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Um, just like you said you'll call BS when you see it, it has to go both ways. Bernie is not surging in NH. Although he has a very slim lead over Buttegeg, his numbers have pretty steadily declined over time: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/nh/new_hampshire...

This is the problem with your hubris. Instead of asking why his numbers have declined in the state right next to Vermont, a place that should be his stronghold, you're calling it a surge. He's gone from a high of 27% in April down to 19%. Buttigeg is the only one surging in NH. Bernie just hasn't dropped as much as Warren and Biden.

That's just the data, og, without analysis. The data doesn't lie, and it doesn't back your claim in the least. 

So, what should Bernie do to stop the bleeding in NH?

As per Realclearpolitics, Buttegig is up by 2 in Iowa, and Biden by 9 in NV and 18 in SC. In none of these states does the data show that Bernie is surging. At very best he's gaining a few points from his massive drop-offs in the Fall.

Again, that's just the data.

i meant his national surge is continuing, w/ very little to zero acknowledgment from the corporate media. indisputable. 

all while pete and biden continue to get constant coverage. why don't you understandthat? and how it affects people's perceptions? 

and pete is only polling decently in NH and Iowa. surging, yes. constant coverage man. 

how come you haven't commented on the fact that bernie is closing the massive gap in SC? 

closed CA and is now in first. etc etc. im not living in some fantasy land. bernie can absolutely lose this thing, he's going up against everything lol. it's what makes these #'s all the more impressive, imo. and again, without the blackout it'd be very different. 

how does he stop the bleeding in any state that'll inevitably happen? by doing what he's doing. knocking on doors, holding rally's, calling out his opponents hypocrisy, speaking truth to power -- it's how he, a dem socialist, has stayed the course, been a top tier candidate this entire run, holding front runner status w/ biden -- his national surge is proof of this. 

 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-outperforms-joe-biden-head-head-...

First of all, it's "rallies," the plural of rally.

Dude, I was responding to your data backing a surge in NH, which was faulty and misleading. I also gave some data about SC and NV, without spin or misleading comments. I haven't seen the longitudinal data from SC, so I can't comment on how much of the gap he's closed. Either way, Biden is up by 18.

dude im typing on an iphone most of the time at work. spare me the punctuation/spelling bs. 

so the #'s fluctuate -- i don't know, that's just how it works -- you know people like you, who have no fucking idea who they're voting for even tho the lines are clearly drawn. indecisiveness. 

i said the surge continues -- dudes been at the top for months now, yes, along w/ biden (although biden will lose iowa and NH, and CA..?.. it seems). 

>>>gee golly boys and girls, why might that be?

Surely it couldn’t be the progressive super majority that has run California for 40 years?

Fuck Biden.

The Newsweek article you linked to stated, "but primary voters have far from made up their minds. Recent surveys note growing indecision among Democratic voters and even declining favorability overall for candidates as the field has yet to coalesce around one or even two likely party nominees."

A lot of people haven't yet made up theirs minds, and that's okay.


>> i meant his national surge is continuing, w/ very little to zero acknowledgment from the corporate media. indisputable. <<
 

C'mon man, how would you know? You don't look at anything that's msm etc. 

 

 

thod maybe try and contribute? 

 

Now you gonna give me a directive on how to post? 

fu twerp
 


You think you're helping or hurting ol' bern here?

 

i'm mean your helpless, so....you figure it out. 

remember when you questioned bernies jewish faith the other day. bitch. 


Who the fuck cares about his faith?
 

Back it up

That was me who questioned it, and I still think that his comment about being a "proud Jew" was pandering for Jewish and Christian votes. His entire career has been marked be "being born Jewish but having no faith." He's never said shit about being Jewish before.

He needs Jewish votes, and the fact is that Americans only elect people who say they have religion. Sanders made a strategic comment to get votes.

ok i take it back -- my bad. 

instill stand by what i initially said, thod -- are you here to contribute? b/c it seems like you never are. lol. 

or did you pop in just to troll? 

I really feel that his "proud Jew" comment was uncharacteristically disingenuous.

>> or did you pop in just to troll? <<

Dude don't make this about me, you wake up and get your leg humping on everyday.

People here believe it or not are smart enough to know how the polls work.

But do you really think you're moving the needle here?
 

Conversation regurgitation 

ftfy

 

nope. and you've asked many times now, and i've always had the same answer. 

dont open the threads man. pretty simple. you come in to troll -- unlike most people here, i don't mind that. 

but, accept it, mother fucker. 

most people here also know sugaree by heart, yet here we are. you silly guy. 


Yeah I'll be right here doing what I want and will respond how I want, but most importantly looking forward at 

laughing at you to start my day.


Keep it up P-nutz,...but know this, you ain't moving no needle here. 
 

 

 

 

i said i don't mind you trolling me. why so mad? 

>>>>>Surely it couldn’t be the progressive super majority that has run California for 40 years?

 

Thod and Weird Steve think you're a Russian asset for mentioning third party points.

This is what happens when friends and family get confined together in small spaces with too many sugar cookies, too much alcohol, and no football. Then bring up politics. Last few years Christmas get togethers was highlighted by fighting with trumpers, this year its dems making each other's fur fly. Careful now lads or you'll be handing stump his crown again. You don't want Krampus after yer ass

 

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Krampus - Wikipedia
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Merry Christmas, TOD

merry xmas, jr. 

turtle 

the lakers are good huh. 

that is all.

 

Merry Christmas ^ all

Watching the lakers right now.

clippers better tonight tho. 

lebron an even worse FT shooter this season than last. weird. 68% and 61% in 4th. 

<<<>>>Venice Beach is an absolute shit hole, with feces, needles, trash all over.  I’d imagine half that showed up for your Messiahs rally were the tent dwelling tweekers that have invaded Venice.  15k is being generous based on the photos.<<<>>>
 

<<<>>>Surely it couldn’t be the progressive super majority that has run California for 40 years?

 

look, little trumper racket has the same talking points as tomi lahren. haha. 

 

 

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They’re not talking points, it’s life around here.

I'd like to go back to the "media blackout" on Bernie. I was just doing some research into how Americans get their news. I'm not going to post all the links, but if you google "what percent of Americans watch cable news," and, "how do Americans get news," there's a ton of data from very reliable sources.

All television news viewership is down, from network to cable. In a week, about 75% of Americans watch local news, less than 50% watch network news and only 30% watch cable news. Most don't watch news for very long at all. Cable news viewers watch the most, but it's still not that much.

About 7% get news from print media, and the rising trend is to get news online. 

I'm going to call BS on the negative effects of the so- called media blackout on Bernie. First of all, if he's surging in the polls, that automatically negates the correlation. Secondly, most fucking Americans just don't watch much news, follow politics, or just don't give a fuck. They sure as hell aren't reading newspapers and magazines, either. It's hard to claim a media blackout for online news, because there's plenty about Bernie. 

I'm not saying that there isn't a blackout in the msm. I am saying that so few people watch, listen or generally give a shit that what is said on CNN or MSNBC doesn't matter. They are preaching to the converted. The 20 minutes of national network news a night doesn't seem to spend much time on the Democratic race, and from what I've seen it seems pretty balanced.

 

 

To your point bk...

I check out quite a few different news sources from msm on and it's pretty much the same shit.

They want their horse race and not a lot of any one candidate coverage because trump is is sucking the air out of everything.

 

>>>gee golly boys and girls, why might that be?

Surely it couldn’t be the progressive super majority that has run California for 40 years?<<<

i guess critical thinking is not your strong suit. dig deeper. strike 1.

 

>>the lakers are good huh<

eh,  as long as kawahi gets babied and sits out 1/3 of games the god dammned clippers will be hard to beat. can't believe i'm typing that...

It’s cute that grown men think some kind of tax funded utopia is possible.   Mr. Critical thinking, maybe you should look up the definition of socialism.

You want the homeless junkies to magically disappear. 

We should just build them each $500,000 tax funded apartments because that will be sustainable and solve the problem.

>>>>how come you haven't commented on the fact that bernie is closing the massive gap in SC? 

 

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https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/south-carolina/

 

I thought Bernie was crushing it and ahead in every poll? Weirdsteve and pyramidheat showdown will be occurring shortly

Slacker supports the shady gas tax bait and switch.

hello all. 

bernie has the establishment shook. 

warren should drop out and endorse bernie. 

i'll be back mother fuckers! 

blaze up and read  if you'd like. 

bernie 1st/tied in iowa/NH/CA, 2nd in NV. 

most electable and able to beat trump -- not even close -- one very important reason, BK -- b/c he'll get people to show up, like obama did in 2008. Anybody else hands this shit to trump (which would secretly make racket happy). 

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/26/can-bernie-sanders-win-2020-ele...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/26/us/politics/bernie-sanders-iowa-democ...

https://twitter.com/mattbruenig/status/1209562623555067908?s=21

Living in your head rent free.  Thanks for the shout out.

Lol

So, if I'm reading the national poll data correctly, Bernie's "surge" has him 4 points behind where he was in April.

I'm going to ask the questions again: why isn't Bernie trending as well as he could, and what can he do differently to stop the bleeding?

Please don't blame the men and some blackout. Here's the cold, hard reality: Bernie's message doesn't resonate with everyone. He's generally preaching to the converted, and new converts aren't pouring in.

If Bernie is to win, it's going to take a lot more than Warren dropping out of the msm lifting some silly blackout. Bernie's campaign and supporters need to acknowledge that there's a problem, and do something differently.

My suggestion is to offer viable solutions, ones that don't reek of revolution, and ones that have half a chance of making it through Congress. I know that someone will tell me that he has and I just don't see it, but that's just hubris. It's time to face reality.

bk you and the rest of the country see it very differently. it's all good man -- you refuse to even recognize the blackout. that's fine. 

you refuse to recognize his popularity, that he appeals to working class people of all backgrounds, not just elite white people. he has the most mooring support of any candidate. he's the front runner along w/ biden -- this is a fact and just obvious from the data. we'l see how it plays out -- it's looking pretty good. 

racket and LLtD -- do the right thing folks -- if you hate trump, you'll vote bernie in the primary. if not, look at 2016 . it's either the fake populist again. or the real one. a centrist won't get the votes to win any longer. 

it's funny now that the corporate media is just starting to cover how bernie may actually win this thing b/c of how well he's doing plus the massive support he has, + every reason i've listed here,  BK is wondering why bernie is struggling to resonate w/ people/bleeding in the polls. fucking awesome. 

centrism will hand the election to trump -- they can't get out the vote -- this was proven in 2016. their policies done represent the people, rather the corporations they're beholden to. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/12/26/voters-want-change-not...

so there's 59,000 homeless people in LA county at any time in jan '19. 

only one human running. 

https://berniesanders.com/issues/housing-all/

1. I don't discount a blackout. I do question the veracity of it, and whether it's making that big a difference. As I pointed out, not too many Americans watch more than a few minutes of news a day, and there's no blackout on the Internet.

2. I do recognize his popularity. I stop short of hyperbole, such as "among the working class," "they all love him," "he's surging," "Independents love him," etc. None of those statements are fully true, and the data shows it. Yes, some working class get him. He's definitely surging among Latinos. He doesn't have full support of union members. He has the support of some Independents.

The fact is, he has a lot of work to do if he's going to win. It's time to deal with that reality. How does he broaden his support? What isn't working, and what changes in his message need to be made?

Those NH poll #s are startling, and are indicative of a problem for Bernie. Offer some solutions, not just broad generalizations.

And OG, that opinion piece that you posted a link to is just an opinion piece, penned by a die-hard Bernie supporter and avowed Progressive. You have to stop trying to pass off opinions as facts. 

i'm not doing that. i'm saying we're taking a massive risk, even more risky so than bernie, by pushing through a centrist. that's all im saying. 

thats my opinion. but there's also shit tons of data supporting that -- and 2016. 

BK he is the union candidate. what? he is the climate change candidate. he is the social justice candidate. the majority of the country supports M4A and GND. the working class is literally driving this campaign, funded by nurses and teachers and amazon workers -- the working class is why he's raised the most money w/ the most money individual donations, by far. not even close man. fact. 

he has the most support among latinos, woman, military, he has the strongest minority support out of any candidate. college kids has a massive gap, the youth have chosen bernie. these are all signs of what makes bernie the strongest candidate -- on top of being the most trusted and strongest to go against trump in the general, as he wins rust belt states which no centrist will accomplish as they won't motivate people to vote. 

of course he has a lot of work to do -- he's talking in the establishment -- and he's a front runner -- i think that shows he's doing pretty good, way better than in 2016 (bad campaign). 

while all the on their candidates are holdong high dollar fundraisers w/ heir corporate masters, bernie is organizing and knocking on doors. this is why he wins. he's running the best campaign currently. 

#1 is all over the place BK. you question if the blackout makes a difference? that's like saying politicians that take corporate money aren't  bought. but we've been over that -- you think it's not so black and white, even tho all the evidence points to them being bought. 

and it is on the internet -- most people arent watching democracy now or something equivalent -- they're going to msnbc, cnn. fox, npr, etc. 

Again, what does he have to do to stop the bleeding in some states, regain the points he's lost, and bring in new supporters who will actually get off their asses and vote?

Based on your assessment above of the "most support" amongst certain groups, he should be way ahead in the polls. It's one thing to say he has the rust belt locked in, but where's the proof? You keep saying that a centerist can't win, and that Hillary lost because she's center, but again, there's absolutely no proof of that. The opinions of others on the far left aren't proof.

I'm pushing you to step up your game, use some critical thought and come up with real ideas that will propel Bernie. You keep coming back with the same talking points and opinions. It tracks, though. The entire Bernie campaign is predicated on talking points. The problem, though, is that new people aren't buying it. His national numbers have dropped. He's hurting in NH, where he should be kicking ass. People want more than he's offering up. 

>>they're going to msnbc, cnn. fox, npr, etc. 

No, they are not. That's a fallacy. Most Americans watch very little news altogether, and a minority watches cable news. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/05/fewer-americans-rely-on...

The Torchum Never Stops

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Racket really wants a trophy.

Slacker wants the government to run his life.

racket should move to texas or idaho. places with little taxes and no social services. it's great.

 

Again, what does he have to do to stop the bleeding in some states, regain the points he's lost, and bring in new supporters who will actually get off their asses and vote?

Based on your assessment above of the "most support" amongst certain groups, he should be way ahead in the polls. It's one thing to say he has the rust belt locked in, but where's the proof? You keep saying that a centerist can't win, and that Hillary lost because she's center, but again, there's absolutely no proof of that. The opinions of others on the far left aren't proof.<<<

Righto.

A centrist Democrat beat the Trum* clone for Governor in Republican dominated Louisiana. 

I don't know what he likes about California. He can snowboard in Idaho. 

^^lol. dude is republican. come on now. 

i gotta go but  i've posted proof. just the other day i posted a reminder about bernies winning MI and WI. laugh all you want. 71 out of 72 counties in WI. 

are you looking for some blow out lead? we're still talking about dem socialist bernie sanders vs the establishment. BK if he was up by 20points we wouldn't be in this mess -- he would've been able to crush the establishment in 2016. like you said, it's hard ass work, and so called progressives like you, fighting the cause, make it more difficult. saying unions don't support him in full is misleading and dangerous b/c as i've posted, more union members back M4A than not. fact. he is the union candidate, i know you know this. 

don't get it twisted -- trump and his white nationalist army must go -- but we're fighting the dem establishment as well, as much as some may think it's counter productive -- the candidate w/ the campaign funded by the working class is doing that, with support of the people, b/c fuck this shit -- the dem party abandoned the working class decades ago. 

no more centrists. there is no more compromise. flame on. 

 

racket smokes trump. 

Lots of Bernie coverage the last few days.


I don't the perceived "blackout" wasn't any sort of DNC/Corporate Media plot to subvert Bernie's campaign, but more that Bernie was a new and "revolutionary" i n 2016 and it didn't work. Meanwhile, Mayor Pete has been the new, shiny object (along with all the first-timers). His ascent along with Bernie's health issues took the light off Bernie, and justifiably so. News agencies know now, more than ever, what their readers/viewers watch instantaneously.

Bernie is now trending. So, enjoy that wave of attention and take advantage of it. No more excuses about the media "blackout".

there were never excuses for this current run -- everybody is just stating the fact -- they blacked out bernie. 

it's good to see them starting to recognize. 

Do you think CNN and MSNBC gave Trump all that coverage in 2016 because there was a "plot" to get him elected? Hell no, of course, their ratings were spiking with Trump coverage. Bernie coverage isn't as sexy as a surging Mayor Pete. Bernie re-treaded his 2016 campaign. It's not a media blackout, he's day-old bread.

so, your pick is mayor pete ned?

you're just very wrong, ned. 

corprate media gave trump billions in free press b/c they made massive amounts of money. simple. 

you mean centrists are day old bread -- this is very clear. wrong side of history my man. 

>> so, your pick is mayor pete ned?

No. Still considering all options.

 

"surge" in Nevada?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/nevada/

March 31: Sanders at 21.2%

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Dec 25::  Sanders at 20.7%, a decline of 0.5%.

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remember when mayor pete rolled out that stock photo of that random african mother and child to show people that block people support him? lol. yeah. 

or when bloomberg was just found to have been exploiting female prison inmates haha. 

all options you say, ned? 

>> corprate media gave trump billions in free press b/c they made massive amounts of money. simple.  <<

Yep, and guess what, they are still profit driven today. It's right there in front of you, heater, and you just aren't willing to discuss the reality of the situation: the news media doesn't drive the race, the race drives the media coverage. That said, a trending Bernie just might get some ratings, so there's still hope if you're a Bernie-or Buster.

you're naive man if you think that. that's what BK would call black n white. 

once warren drops out and endorses bernie, full melt. 

Still unable to face reality and answer the questions. Claiming mass support from unions doesn't win him the nomination, or the office.

Don't you get it? I'm not putting Bernie down. I'm asking for a plan to move him forward. Hubris and hyperbole is what got him to stagnation. You need something different.

you keep saying that and i keep offering proof and what the campaign has been doing and is doing to gain support, which is undeniable. 

as we all have acknowledged -- the corporate media is now starting tot all about bernie b/c he has massive support base. 

lol at weird steve pointing out in fact bernie has a lot more interest.

What proof? That unions love him and he won a majority of WI counties 4 years ago? 

That's not proof.

^^ haha right. thanks weird steve! 

 

so much proof in the threads man. idk. can't help ya i guess if you refuse to see it. 

 

An op ed from a Bernie supporter isn't proof. 

Polls show that Bernie has lost points in the national polls. He's losing or even in key states. He isn't surging.

Polls also show that every Dem candidate beats Trump, except for Mayor Pete.

Turtle, why does it bother you so much that people haven't yet decided?

>> all options you say, ned?  <<

Yep. I want trump out of office and would vote for Nixon if that happened.

>Turtle, why does it bother you so much that people haven't yet decided?<

 

because the choice is obvious.

i mean, for the 1st time, like ever...a presidential candidate is saying what he is saying. 

i mean i know y'all are scared that people in the middle will be freaked out by those big bad words like socialism and what not, but the fact that he has the support he does, saying the things he does is incredible.

we don't have time globally for another clinton or obamma.

 

So, it's not that people are undecided, it's that they don't think the way that you do.  Nice purity test.

>>> i mean, for the 1st time, like ever...a presidential candidate is saying what he is saying.  <<<

If you're talking about Democrats, in my voting history McGovern was an obvious choice who said what he was saying, as was Carter.

I think that is also true of many Republicans, but I wouldn't have voted for them.

 

Til now, if this were the option. >>> Yep. I want trump out of office and would vote for Nixon if that happened <<<

well i wasn't around for mc govern so can't speak to that...

and no bk, its not a purity test? what does that even mean?

look, trump is going to roll any of these centrists. mayor pete? dude got flustered from kamala and tulsi. so, its biden or warren....sigh. those people don't inspire shit.

i mean get on the bus...the doors wide open...you guys want a better country and world, right? i mean why not even fucking TRY?

Lol, I've cast my vote for Bernie at least 8 times.

Do you understand how our government works? Sanders will be vilified as a Commie, and Congress won't work with him. 

Every one of the candidates will get us back in the Paris Accords. Most will get us on the way the M4A. They'll all roll back the tax cuts for billionaires. Every one of them will appoint a good Supreme Court justice.

What exactly would President Sanders accomplish that any of the others wouldn't? He isn't getting M4A, a $15 minimum wage, free college, and 5,000,000 affordable housing units.

dude, i don't think they will win. and i disagree that they will help with health care, they wont. i would hope they would get a decent supreme court pick but that is not a given. and tax cuts, sure they will be doing so much for you and me....

of course bernie will be vilified by the corporate media and no i don't expect the senate to help out much, unless it gets flipped...

i also get you have voted for him. president is different.

look, of course even if he magically was elected...i know how the shit works. all we can do is try man....

 

 

Throwing more tax money at the bureaucrats and creating larger government is going to make the country and world a better place?  Kumbye-fucking-ya.

Oversimplification....

so amazon or bezos paying no tax is a sustainable model for our society?

if corporations and billionaires were taxed appropriately, hard working avg dude making $100k, wouldn't have to pay the share of the very scumbags that are draining society.

 

 

Turts, you really don't think most of them would help with health care? I think that Bernie has moved the needle on that one, and most of them would. Biden wants to stick with the ACA, which is pitiful, but many of the others have better ideas.

On one hand, I think that we need to dump the insurance industry very quickly. As long as they have a foothold, they'll wield influence over policy. On the other hand, how can you get rid of a multi-billion dollar industry overnight? The butterfly effect could be horrendous. I'm also not convinced that an overwhelming majority want M4A. 

Keep in mind, back when it started most Americans supported the ACA, but they were against Obamacare. They had no idea that they were the same thing, and opinions were based on partisan propaganda.

In the primary, I won't vote for anyone who wants to continue the ACA. I want to see a pathway to Universal.

bernie sanders won a U.S. House seat that had been in GOP hands for 30 years.

 then he won a U.S. Senate seat that had been in GOP hands for more than 100 years.

 

we are going to win. 

lol @ nixon.

if you hate trump more than anything, you'll vote sanders in the primary. 

BK you voting for sanders in Vermont is cool and all -- you need to step the fuck up and vote for him in the primary -- voting 8 times prior, great. make it 9, and the most important vote ever, right? 

or don't. 

<<<>>>>Do you understand how our government works? Sanders will be vilified as a Commie, and Congress won't work with him. 

fucking such lazy and pathetic thinking man. i can't believe you don't see the excitement bernie brings out in people -- it's palpable. nobody else does, no body else gets people to show up to vote to beat trump besides sanders. 2016 already happened and the centrists lost to donald trump. how anybody can think a centrist corporate to the T dem will beat trump is not paying attention. 

bernie will come to your state, hold town halls and rallies, speak truth to power as he always does, and fucking have the people vote the corporate dems/republicans out. this is going to be a different presidency. he's working for the people. you say he won't accomplish anything -- no, false. he starts w/ what the country wants, what we want -- people want healthcare man. people don't want to fucking bargain for healthcare any longer, they don't want it treated as a for profit scheme. people want to be covered so they don't have to stress the fuck out and hurt man. this is why we're calling for more compassion. be compassionate. bernie isn't starting negotiations from the corporate point of view -- just facts. keep in mind most want M4A. 

turle, BK doesn't think the establishment candidates are all the same -- he's doesn't understand that literally every single candidate will abandon their empty promises to get M4A done, erase student debt, increase fed min wage, GND, etc. all things most want. 

he thinks they all aren't bought. how can you argue w/ that? 

zero billionaires have donated to bernie -- mother fucker can't be bought. his career has proved that -- probably one of the reasons you voted for his 8 times? 

racket you pay more in taxes but pay less in healthcare costs overall; majority of people will be paying LESS -- capitalized so you understand. 

pretty simple, even for a trumper. 

So Ned would you suck an unlimited amount of dicks to get trump out of office? If not then you're not really for real

Heater trying to keep the people down.

Jesus Racket, it's become pretty clear that you've happily joined Thom and Bryen in the world of just posting rhetoric but not actually discussing anything. In other words, ain't nothing but bullshit spewing out your pie hole.

But I'll try to make you understand one more time (I know you won't):

Just by virture of living in the United States and not being part (I assume) of the lowest class in that country, YOU ARE THE 1%. Nobody in the world has your lifestyle, even if you're in the lower edges of the American middle-class, THAT IS A HIGH CLASS LIFE FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD. Do you have AC in your home? Central Heating? Square footage? What size motor does your car have? How much does gas cost where you live? etc. The American lifestyle is the direct result of the massive unjust exploitation of resources around the world at the expense of the environment and the people in the area where the resources are plundered. This plunder is not done in good-faith negotiations, but rather pushed by the hefty weight of the largest military in the world. The constant threat of having your government overthrown if you don't do as the US says is a real concern in most of the world.

So yeah, your choice in your elections is not just about the US. It's about a system that fucks the entire world just to make one country, and one tiny group of people rich. Racket, YOU ARE THE 1%. 

According to this article from 2017 (https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-how-the-american-lifestyle-really-co...) Americans:

Eat double the meat than the world average.

Have the highest intake of calories, sugars and fats among the 16 wealthiest nations in the world.

Produce 40% of the world's waste, despite representing 5% of the population.

Use on average 61.02 bbl/day per 1000 people of oil (https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=91000) as compared to say, Chile, which clocks in at 17.74.

Get your head out yer' ass, Racket. You still have time.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/09/how-americans-compare-w...

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So remember: when you call me out for being high-class and telling you what to do (lol), keep in mind how I got here. I have an MA from one of the shittiest universities in the US and I speak fluent English. To be precise, I have one of the shittiest MA's you can have (cultural anthropology) from a very low standard college (University of Montana) and I speak fluent English. What kind of income would that get you in the states? In Chile it puts you in the upper class. If you came to Chile, you would be considered upper class just by virture of being American and (presumably) white.

Oh, and BK, I nominated you for ZOTY. Congratulations, maybe. laugh

Thanks for the nod and kind words, Jav. Greatly appreciated!

Sorry OGKB, I'm just not down with the "us vs. them" that's pervasive in US politics today. It's not helping the dialogue, or the nation to move forward. If you see those who don't support Bernie as less woke, naive, and the enemy, have at it. Although I "get" your POV, I don't fully agree. So what? If you need to see me as the "enemy of the cause," so be it.

I have a cute Bernie story for you: my whole street got flooded in Irene. At some point during that first day, Bernie game walking down the street to assess the damage. He stopped to talk to us, but everything was so crazy that I don't remember all the details,  it I remember this. Now, you have to imagine what he says here with that accent and trademark anger:

"Have you called 2-1-1 yet?"

"No, what's that?"

"call the number on your cellphone. They'll help you."

My girlfriend told him that we don't have a cell. "Here, take mine and call the number."

So, she called, and within seconds gave the phone back to Bernie. "The number doesn't seem to be working."

Bernie grabbed his phone in anger and told us to hold on. He made a call and read someone, somewhere, the riot act. It was so surreal, Bernie screaming in the midst of this disaster area that now looked and sounded like Baghdad during the war.

He got off the phone, chatted for a minute, handed back the phone and said, "call now." And magically, 2-1-1 was up and running! He took his phone and walked on.

And, that's why I think he's a great senator for our little state.

that's awesome, bk. seriously. i remember the horror stories you were posting at the time as well -- crazy. 

Are racket Timmy and ThOd the same person?

^^Sweet story tellin

^^^Sweet story tellin

Pure gold Jav.  All that rambling, to tell me you went to university of montana and received a masters in whatever?

racket post more trump memes. 

keep this bitch going strong until iowa. 

thank you. 

Like a good little snowflake, heater claims any dissent is trump propaganda.  

there it is. 

snowflake. bwahahahahahha 

thanks dude. i didn't think you actually would. 

keep em coming buddy. 

 

Yeah brah all the dicks are moving to Texas. It's your unregulated paradise.

Turtle bruh is just stoked on California passing AB 205.  You know because that’s important!  Gnar!

>>>Pure gold Jav.  All that rambling, to tell me you went to university of montana and received a masters in whatever?

Lol, close, but no cigar, pal. All that just to show that you would once again be unable to make an intelligent response. But hey, keep truckin', bro. Who cares about the world when you're one of the 1% right? Keep on living that American dream and don't worry: you'll have Trump in for your second term, just like you want. But hey, so long as your AC still works, right?

Another long winded amount of nothing.  I guess it’s good to stay up on the English.  I’m nowhere near the 1% of the world but that was a very crafty way to spin it off you.   When the govt comes for what you’ve worked for, I bet your tune would change.  

 

Just some numbers for perspective...

A net worth of $93,170 U.S. is enough to make you richer than 90 percent of people around the world, Credit Suisse reports. The institute defines net worth, or “wealth,” as “the value of financial assets plus real assets (principally housing) owned by households, minus their debts.”

More than 102 million people in America are in the 10 percent worldwide, Credit Suisse reports, far more than from any other country.

You need significantly less to be among the global 50 percent: If you have just $4,210 to your name, you’re still richer than half of the world’s residents. And it takes a net worth of $871,320 to join the global 1 percent. More than 19 million Americans qualify, Credit Suisse reports.

 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/07/how-much-money-you-need-to-be-in-the-ric...

 

 

 

trumpmemes.racket 

Pyramidheat, will you vote for one of the centrists after Bernie is inevitably knocked out of the race?

try harder, jr. 

the question is -- will you vote bernie in the primary so we can defeat trump in the general? 

I found this pretty interesting... 
 

Vote for Bernie? Why Not Just Write In Santa Claus

At least St. Nick isn't a Useful Idiot for Putin.

Bernie Sanders is the Trump of the Left. Repeat: Bernie Sanders is the Trump of the Left. He’s an egomaniac who believes his own hype, like Trump. And like Trump, Bernie is selling snake oil; we just happen to like his brand of snake oil. He’s a bad mall Santa, promising everyone a pony, when all he can deliver is a lump of coal. And make no mistake: far from assuring a worker’s paradise, his nomination would bring about the end of the republic.

It’s not a “revolution.” It’s a con job. And it’s got the full support of the Russians.

 

 https://gregolear.substack.com/p/vote-for-bernie-why-not-just-write

 

 

 

Yeah, I pretty much disagree with everything that guy has to say about it. 

thod just made everybody more stupid w/ that post. 

jesus fucking christ. 

thod is the of kind person that social media totally fucked up their political thinking, b/c they can't think for themselves. 


IDK man, lotta facts in there... but P-nutz will appreciate any pro bernie nod regardless of who it comes from.

 

Greg Olear  wrote Dirty Rubles

Check it out, interesting stuff.

 

 

you have the audacity to call me crazy while posting that nonsense. hahahahahahahha. 

facts lol. 

>>>Another long winded amount of nothing.  I guess it’s good to stay up on the English.  I’m nowhere near the 1% of the world but that was a very crafty way to spin it off you.   When the govt comes for what you’ve worked for, I bet your tune would change.  

Keep trying, 1%er. Government already takes 30% of my salary. I have no complaints about that at all. It would be nice if my taxes guaranteed something, anything, though. Public health care is a disaster in Chile, so no on that. Privatized insurance is spendy for my two kids, let me tell ya'. Education the same, so no, again. Private school for two kids - ouch. Highways are privatized as are water rights and....everything. See, the Chilean government has this nice little setup where they tax the shit out of the middle and lower-upper class, but actually provide nothing in return. In the meantime, international mining companies make billions off our resources and pay nothing in taxes. One of those companies is Anglo-American. Bet you can't guess what country they're from? This is called neoliberalism. It's an economic system which is driven by corporate pressure on bought and paid for politicians. Neoliberalism is what you'll be getting when you vote for Trump (or centrist Dem, ultimately, the vote will go to the same place).

But hey, keep going. Crank up your central heating, drive an hour to work in your pick-up truck and just don't worry about what third-world country is being exploited for your benefit. 

 

Relax P-nutz, I said I found this interesting 
not pushing it either way, I mean you decide...

I mean make up your own mind right?
 

Did you read the whole piece?

 

 

 

 

I agree that Bernie isn't a Democrat. All the other stuff is just stuff.

i read some of it, insane stuff dude. 

you posted it man. that's sad. but you've posted about the russian/bernie connection before. what i posted above is true about you, based off of what you post.  

talking about trump, that's the shit you just posted. 

just watch democracy now today, thod. 

are people still considering mayor pete this morning? lol. 

Dude it's an op ed opinion piece lined with facts...

 

Facts like this lil diddy 

“For the decades he’s been in Congress, his record is pretty scant. Seven bills in 28 years, including two that name post offices, is nothing to write home about (unless you’re writing home to one of those post offices)—although Sanders has been a quiet champion of gun rights for most of his Congressional career, as well as a dependable “nay” vote on Russian sanctions, so I guess there’s that.”

 

Go check out dudes Twitter (Greg Olear) he gets crushed by Russian bots every time he mentions bernie.

Coincidence? You decide.

 

 

 

 

thod i'm slightly concerned. 

That paragraph has only one fact. The rest is opinion and extrapolation. That "fact" is also incorrect and gives no context. He has had 7 bills enacted, which is actually a lot. These are facts: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357

As for Russian bots, or whatever, what the fuck does that have to do with Bernie? Are you victim shaming him?


>>> That paragraph has only one fact. The rest is opinion and extrapolation <<<

Yes, I said that hence op ed.

 

My point is nobody is above the Russian propaganda machine or being an useful idiot.

Including the guy who wrote the piece, hell, maybe even P-nutz?

 

 

Thod is Hunter Biden's bro.

You did say, "lined with facts like this one." There wasn't a fact in that paragraph.

 

Lol, Thod just showed why he earned his nickname Thod. Based off of bullshit opinion articles just like those that Thom would post. Congrats man. 

can you imagine if biden, shitty pete, warren, klobuchar, literally anybody else, were about to surpass 5mil individual donations? it'd be all over the corporate media. bernie blackout is real. 

Why do you call him shitty pete, pyramidheat? Where did that come from?

^^yes biden said he's open to picking a republican for VP. but bernie's not a dem! lol. 

safe to say, bernie will never pick a republican as his VP. yikes. 

judit -- https://twitter.com/jordanchariton/status/1211479474111418369?s=21

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/18/us/politics/buttigieg-stock-photo-ken...

these are just a couple things that make pete super shitty. 

he's republican lite and in no way represents the working class of america -- bought n sold, has nothing to stand for, like so many of the "dems" running. 

 

<<<>>>I agree that Bernie isn't a Democrat.
he is a dem., just not what we know as modern day dems. 

he's running for the democratic ticket -- you must be a dem to do that.

biden just said he'd consider picking a republican VP -- that's not very democratic of him. 

besides that, bernie is an independent dem. 

independent from corporations and super pacs, dark money, bundles, etc. a true democrat, not what we've come to know as the corporate establishment shill democrat that ignores the people and benefits the corporate donors they represent. 

bernie's Q4 fundraising once again proved this. 5mil individual donors, 300,000 new donors this 1/4, 40,000 of which came on the last day of  december. 

34.5million raised. 100% grassroots, only campaign to do it. 

they're saying once he's the nominee, 50mil donations totally 1 billion. 

he's revolutionizing the way campaigns raise money. 


Julián Castro out.

 

Julián Castro endorses Elizabeth Warren for president

Sen. Elizabeth Warren picked up a high-profile endorsement Monday when former San Antonio mayor Julián Castro announced he was backing the Massachusetts senator for the Democratic presidential nomination, just days after Castro ended his own candidacy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/julian-castro-endorses-elizabeth...

 

 

expected. corporate obama dem. he's not allowed to support bernie. 

the real update is bernie leading in NH and tied for 1st in iowa, in the first polls in over 1.5 months...?.... as warren continues her free fall down the chain. 

it's looking more like a sanders/biden fight for the soul of the party -- warren's time is coming to drop out and endorse bernie -- which i'm not sure she'll do (endorse bernie that is). 

 

               The Warren Blackout IS REAL!!!

 

Not a good look for bernie.

bernie supporters cool with dark money?

 

 

Shadow group provides Sanders super PAC support he scorns

WASHINGTON (AP) — Bernie Sanders says he doesn’t want a super PAC. Instead, he has Our Revolution, a nonprofit political organization he founded that functions much the same as one.

Like a super PAC, which is shorthand for super political action committee, Our Revolution can raise unlimited sums from wealthy patrons that dwarf the limits faced by candidates and conventional PACs. Unlike a super PAC, however, the group doesn’t have to disclose its donors — a stream of revenue commonly referred to as “dark money.”

Now, with less than one month to go before the Iowa caucuses, Our Revolution appears to be skirting campaign finance law, which forbids groups founded by federal candidates and officeholders from using large donations to finance federal election activity, including Sanders’ 2020 bid.

https://apnews.com/345bbd1af529cfb1e41305fa3ab1e604
 


Seems to be a textbook centrist move...

 

still reaching. lol. 

just do the right thing man. 


That's not reaching, that's from the Associated Press.

 

You don't see a problem with it? 
Why not?

 


>>> it's why bernie's 100% grassroots campaign is even more impressive than can be stated. it's funded by the people who'd like representation at the highest levels. <<<
 

Did you read the article?
 

yes it is. a smear job can come from any source. 

just like the link you posted last week -- full of lies and weird social media misinformation/scare tactics you always speak out against.

complete hack job bs -- just like saying bernie isn't vetted -- it's just false. lies. it's the establishments new talking point to attempt to hurt bernies campaign. 

bernie doesn't coordinate w/ our revolution, or run the organization. he's not allowed to. 

bernie's campaign has raised over 100mil, all from small donors. fact. 

i did. 

yes, there's no denying bernie's impressive record shattering grassroots campaign, funded 100% by the people. 

 

Honestly, your response is not surprising.

It's not an op-ed piece.

 

I suggest anybody that's interested to give it a read or...

just pretend this kind of shit don't matter.

 

Shadow group provides Sanders super PAC support he scorns

WASHINGTON (AP) — Bernie Sanders says he doesn’t want a super PAC. Instead, he has Our Revolution, a nonprofit political organization he founded that functions much the same as one.

Like a super PAC, which is shorthand for super political action committee, Our Revolution can raise unlimited sums from wealthy patrons that dwarf the limits faced by candidates and conventional PACs. Unlike a super PAC, however, the group doesn’t have to disclose its donors — a stream of revenue commonly referred to as “dark money.”

Now, with less than one month to go before the Iowa caucuses, Our Revolution appears to be skirting campaign finance law, which forbids groups founded by federal candidates and officeholders from using large donations to finance federal election activity, including Sanders’ 2020 bid.

https://apnews.com/345bbd1af529cfb1e41305fa3ab1e604
 

you've proven time and time again to have zero credibility --relying on hysteria to smear. 

recently, last week w/ your link. 

this is another instance. you scream out against what you unknowingly (?)  support. strange. 

Would you want trump to marry your daughter?

when bernie wins IA/NH/NV, will you do the right thing on super tuesday, LLTD? 

we have to defeat trump w/ the most electable candidate, the person who will get people to show up to vote. bernie is that candidate; biden has never been able to get people to show up for any of his failed presidential runs.

i got a button yesterday.

i could have gotten one with marijuana on it but thought it might alienate some...

Just checked.  Independents can vote for a Democrat in 2020 primary in California 

cool beans

ill get back to you.  I don't have a super strong pull in any direction yet

(disappointed that I don't feel strongly on the best approach....

It's the easiest thing you can do. Tell someone you love: I want to meet doners in a billionaire's crystal wine cave. We've got one more for you.

bernie pulling away in CA. most diverse state. state w/ most delegates. 

for the boomers. 

surging. 

 

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Klobuchar / Yang in 2020

biden is not electable. 

warren is done. 

get ready to fall in line mother fuckers!