Who Destroyed Country Music?
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I think we can all agree that Billy Ray Cyrus was the final straw in destroying Country Music, so lets work backwards from there and get to the patient zero of the destruction of this great genre.
What ya got Zoners?
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Sam bush claims it was
Sam bush claims it was handmics: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JiiSw9ggbmg
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Can we extrapolate back to
So who was the first for the hand held microphone? Because if you say Conway Twitty we may have to fight.
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Chet Atkins and Owen Bradley,
Chet Atkins and Owen Bradley, who created the Nashville Sound and wanted to create a new, more pop oriented kind of music for a mature audience after "rockabilly stole away much of country music's youth audience."
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Elvis?
Elvis?
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>>>>Elvis?
>>>>Elvis?
I'm not a big Elvis fan but I think of him ruining the Blues more than Country (though he did some of that too). Elvis was the worst.
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Nashville
Nashville
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Ken D.
So if thats the start lets fill in the rest of the timeline.
Chet Atkins and Owen Bradley > ? > ? > ? > ? > ? > Brooks and Dunn > Billy Ray Cyrus = killed country
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We also know Garth Brooks
We also know Garth Brooks belongs somewhere in this equation.
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Garth Brooks or Chris Gaines?
Garth Brooks or Chris Gaines?
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Great call on Garth brooks.
Great call on Garth brooks.
Reba seems like a nice lady but I feel she utimately played a part in the devolution of the country female solo artist, leading to the Judds, then faith and shania, all the way to today's Carrie underwood and I fear it will only get worst from here....
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Women of a certain age killed
Women of a certain age killed country, they are the only ones who buy the music anymore and the whole industry is geared to them
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http://www.nbc.com/saturday
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/well-be-right-back-mtv/2872...
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Steve Earle made it thru
Steve Earle made it thru alive.
Jimmy Dale Gilmour too, maybe.
Is RA country?
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I feel like RA was Only
I feel like RA was Only definitively country for the jcn album
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Just to be clear there is
Just to be clear there is still good Country music out there but the majority of the major money makers/genre representatives suck
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>>>>but the majority of the
>>>>but the majority of the major money makers/genre representatives suck
That's been the name of the game in Nashville since the 1960s. Go back and listen to some of the "countrypolitan" crap that topped the "country" charts in the late 1960s and early 1970s and you wouldn't even recognize much of it as Country music.
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Billy Ray Cyrus.
Billy Ray Cyrus.
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It wasn't Bob Wills, Hank
It wasn't Bob Wills, Hank Williams or Patsy Cline, that's for sure.
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Chet Atkins>Patsy Cline>Jim
Chet Atkins>Patsy Cline>Jim Reeves>Bill Anderson>Lynn Anderson>Kenny Rogers>The Bellamy Brothers>Barbra Mandrell>Alabama>Billy Ray Cyrus>Tim McGraw>Garth Brooks>The Judds
To be clear, Patsy Cline was great, but she was exhibit A of "Countrypolitan", with string sections and vocal choruses slathered on. It worked for her, but it was the sound that drove Honky Tonk Country from the top of the charts.
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>>>>It wasn't Bob Wills, Hank
>>>>It wasn't Bob Wills, Hank Williams or Patsy Cline, that's for sure.
Or George Jones
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>>>>>>Chet Atkins>Patsy Cline
>>>>>>Chet Atkins>Patsy Cline>Jim Reeves>Bill Anderson>Lynn Anderson>Kenny Rogers>The Bellamy Brothers>Barbra Mandrell>Alabama>Billy Ray Cyrus>Tim McGraw>Garth Brooks>The Judds
Thanks HerbalD. While your relationship advise should probably be discarded, your musical knowledge is second to none. Thanks for being here and being you.
I think we pretty much have this all figured out now. Good work Zoners.
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What about Western Music?
What about Western Music?
As in, "Oh we got both kinds. We got County and Western."
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I'm giving Shania Twain
I'm giving Shania Twain honorable mention for recording pop songs and calling them Country (and the music industry and fans for buying it).
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Where does "bro-country" fit
Where does "bro-country" fit in?
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>>>>>>Where does "bro-country
>>>>>>Where does "bro-country" fit in?
After the genre had already been ruined
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"This Town Gets Around" ~
"This Town Gets Around" ~ Margo Price
In this town everybody's trying
To get a piece of everybody else
It gets hard to tell a real friend from a fake one
So many promises, favors, and lies
Most of the town wears a good disguise
And even I too, have been known to wear one
As the saying goes, it's not who you know
But it's who you blow that'll get you in the show
And if that's not the case I hear you pay 'em
But I don't come easy and I'm flat broke
So I guess it's me who gets the joke
Maybe I'd be smarter if I played dumb
[Chorus:]
I can't count all the times I've been had
Now I know much better than to let that make me mad
I don't let none of that get me down
From what I've found this town gets around
Now the very first manager I had
He was old enough he could have been my dad
He took me out for drinks and talked a big talk
He said, "darling sign on the dotted line"
You know, "kiss my cheek and drink this wine
But if you walk on me, then you can just walk."
[Chorus]
I can't count all the times I've been had
Now I know much better than to let that make me mad
I don't let none of that get me down
From what I've found this town gets around
When I first came here the streets were paved with gold
And you can walk that road, I've been told
But I won't put out or be controlled
I don't write the shit that gets bought and sold
Ask any man
He might know
Who used to live on Music Row
But that was then, and this is now
He told me this town gets around
From what I've found this town gets around
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>>>I'm giving Shania Twain
>>>I'm giving Shania Twain honorable mention for recording pop songs and calling them Country (and the music industry and fans for buying it).
brian k makes an interesting indictment there.
Did that pave the way for Taylor swift?
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barbara mandrell destroyed
barbara mandrell is ground fucking zero in the destruction of county music.
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Is that snoop dogg with the
Is that snoop dogg with the big green tractor guy?
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I had written off country
I had written off country music, but a colleague was playing some Wheeler Walker Jr last week on the golf course... I kinda like this guy, his album "Redneck Sh*t" came out in 2016
Here is a link to one of his hit songs "F*ck You B*tch"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=myJDBos5Vyw
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>>>>>>>>>I had written off
>>>>>>>>>I had written off country music, but a colleague was playing some Wheeler Walker Jr last week on the golf course... I kinda like this guy, his album "Redneck Sh*t" came out in 2016
Sturgill Simpson is great and modern.
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I think sturgill may have
I think sturgill may have been sent by the lord to save country music's soul
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I saw Taylor Swift's new
I saw Taylor Swift's new video the other night. It was a shitty pop song that played out her stupid drama. She's a very talented idiot.
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Radiohead can't do country.
Radiohead can't do country.
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>>>>I saw Taylor Swift's new
>>>>I saw Taylor Swift's new video the other night. It was a shitty pop song that played out her stupid drama. She's a very talented idiot.
And she stole Kreyshawns style.
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Ok, what did Radio head
Ok, what did Radiohead destroy then?
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I would think the GAC and CMT
I would think the GAC and CMT cable channels destroyed country music.
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Pop country and better music!
Pop country and better music!
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>>>And she stole Kreyshawns
>>>And she stole Kreyshawns style.
oh, so that's what we made her do.
thanks, I've been trying to figure it out
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>>Ok, what did Radiohead
>>Ok, what did Radiohead destroy then?
your mind? good concert to drop something.
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>>Or George Jones
>>Or George Jones
The Possum rules.
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barbara mandrell is ground
barbara mandrell is ground fucking zero in the destruction of county music<<<
LOL.
I kinda dug that thing where she'd play four bars on, say, six different instruments during one song.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNVguvNE7qc
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It was just a matter of time
It was just a matter of time in this thread before we got down to the very badonkadonk of this OP's sordid, corrupted, honky tonk of a query.
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John Denver.
John Denver.
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workingman's dead
workingman's dead
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Answer: Playin' with the
Answer: Playin' with the Queen of Hearts.
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Nobody saw him running from
Nobody saw him running from sixteenth avenue.
They never found the fingerprint or the weapon that was used.
But someone killed country music, cut out its heart and soul.
They got away with murder down on music row.
The almighty dollar and the lust for worldwide fame
Slowly killed tradition and for that someone should hang
They all say not guilty, but the evidence will show
That murder was committed down on music row.
For the steel guitars no longer cry and fiddles barely play,
But drums and rock 'n roll guitars are mixed up in your face.
Old Hank wouldn't have a chance on today's radio
Since they committed murder down on music row.
They thought no one would miss it, once it was dead and gone
They said no one would buy them old drinking and cheating songs
Well there ain't no justice in it and the hard facts are cold
Murder's been committed down on music row.
Oh, the steel guitars no longer cry and you can't hear fiddles play
With drums and rock 'n roll guitars mixed right up in your face
Why, the Hag, he wouldn't have a chance on today's radio
Since they committed murder down on music row
Why, they even tell the Possum to pack up and go back home
There's been an awful murder down on music row.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny3K9irFC5k
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Went to the Grand Ole Opry a
Went to the Grand Ole Opry a couple of years ago. No plans, we just dipped in and bought tix and it was a memorable experience. Blake Shelton performed and it was good fun. I was pleasantly surprised, he had great stage presence and catchy tunes- Boys 'Round Here in particular. Had to look up the names of songs after the fact. Sturgill Simpson is terrific- he's the man. Not into any of the new country/bro country, that sh!t blows.
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Wouldn't Blake Shelton's
Wouldn't Blake Shelton's 'boys round here' b the very definition of bro country?
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Hee Haw
Hee Haw
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I know you don't care about
I know you don't care about my opinion, but here it is anyway. Billy Ray Cyrus was involved, but Garth Brooks and Shania Twain go hand and hand - as the biggest examples of "new" country or "hot" country - heading down the path of destroying country and western music (the real country I grew up with). Also - a solid mention to American corporate radio who won the battle with the FCC around 1996 that led to much consolidation and take-overs of large station groups, like Clear Channel, etc, who killed anything left that was good about most popular music - not just country, but rock and roll as well.
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Hush your mouth, Voodoo. Hee
Hush your mouth, Voodoo. Hee Haw was country and western's last real hurrah.
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>>Wouldn't Blake Shelton's
>>Wouldn't Blake Shelton's 'boys round here' b the very definition of bro country?
lol, yeah I think so. He got a pass. It was the Grand Ole Opry man.....
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I've seen all my friends take
I've seen all my friends take to it. Their coworkers and new family members outnumbered them
so they listen to country more than hip hop or rock. They go back and forth depending on the company.
They also went from liberal to conservative. Moved to smaller towns.
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"Hush your mouth, Voodoo. Hee
"Hush your mouth, Voodoo. Hee Haw was country and western's last real hurrah."
Have to second this. That show featured the real deals.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMZCWGyk388
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country is alive and well.
country is alive and well. OUTLAW style that is.
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Outlaw country is a good
Outlaw country is a good thing. It's still not country and western, but it is the best we have left.
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I love this clip.
I love this clip.
Johnny Cash "Children, Go Where I Send Thee" 1977
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQMT8OD9nzU
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I hated Hee Haw as a child
I hated Hee Haw as a child
forever damaged
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Outlaw country is trending
Outlaw country is trending huge in Asheville...
Hip-hoppers/ graffiti artists riding it 'til the brakes fall off.
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What the difference between
What the difference between outlaw country and country & western?
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google?
google?
But briefly - Outlaw country was a sub-genre started in the 1970's. Think Waylon Jennings.
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>>>Outlaw country was a sub
>>>Outlaw country was a sub-genre started in the 1970's.
Yep, and started in part as a rebellion against the smooth sounds of the Nashville hit makers that had replaced the fiddle and pedal steel with lush string arrangements.
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But if outlaw and West Texas
But if outlaw and West Texas swing still exist with pedal steel and fiddle, what's missing?
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Doesn't seem like much, I've
Doesn't seem like much, I've had this collection for years. Key listening taking the train from Chicago to Montana. I promise it won't disappoint!
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while were at at it I'm just
while we're at at it, I'm just going to leave my favorite George Jones song here:
When The Last Curtain Falls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3GPCl-MXxI&app=desktop
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The achey breaky heart guy
The achey breaky heart guy
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Brad paisley seems like a
Brad paisley seems like a decent guitarist, so how does he manage to make such bad music?
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I agree that Hee Haw was a
I agree that Hee Haw was a bad direction.
Also, don't forget those down-homey segments on The Lawrence Welk Show.
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I'm going with "the fans
I'm going with "the fans killed Country."
Face it, if they didn't buy shit, the industry and artists wouldn't put out shit.
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Bocephus is certainly an
Bocephus is certainly an accomplice.
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I get that you all think any
I get that you all think any current artist on the top forty country radio is somehow lumped into "Bro country", but, as I always do here, may i direct your attention to Eric Church.
The man writes his own songs and they are very good. Live shows the last tour consist of a two set deal 36 songs in total, with a nice break to smoke a little smoke and drink a little drink. this link is one of his slower tunes from his latest release but shows off his turn of a phrase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC4ztJ1cNiE
good thread, I think Country is still alive and kickin' but yeah you gotta dig a little deep into the fold...