What is Your Rent or Mortgage ?

My original payment was 950 for a 1500 sq ft, 3 bedroom house.

Sandy wiped me out and had to borrow to rebuild. 

Now I has a 3300 sq ft house, 3 bedrooms and pay 950+875....$1825

Jersey Shore

Plf, don't forget about property taxes.

Ahhh well we sold our house in Ohio for $225,000.
The same size house, where we live in So Cal, $500,000
The sales guy we had looked up our Ohio house and told me, "well if you sold that out here, $850,000.

That says it all

SF is even worse than LA!

https://smartasset.com/mortgage/what-is-the-cost-of-living-in-san-francisco

Average rent on a two bedroom apartment in San Francisco is $4,650, $1,000+ more than the number two city (New York) and $2,000 more than the rest of the biggest cities in the country.

If we assume that a typical renter spends no more than 36% of her monthly income on housing, that suggests that to afford San Francisco rent, she would need to be earning $155,000 per year.

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Flood insurance keeps going up and up. That's not pleasant.

I live in California. 

Does everybody have a "right" to be able to afford a house in Aspen?

Here are Aspen listings under $1 million:  http://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/aspen-co-usa/0-1000000-price

I grew up in Park City UT. 

Almost nobody I went to High School with can afford to live in our home town. 

Those that can left town to go make money so we could afford it.

If your town is cheap, it probably sucks, you should count your blessings that: a)  rich people don't like your town, and b) you can afford to live in that town;.

0, paid the house off 5 years ago

Where do Aspen's service workers live? 

If you buy a $500k house in TX, you will pay maybe $3,000 / month mortgage (borrow $400k for 15 years @ 3.5%, I'm guessing but prolly pretty close cause I am boring as fuck with my knowledge of finance $s).  So if you put up $100k, you "own" a $500 k house.

And after 15 years, you won't own the bank anything.

BUT, your property taxes would have started at about $13,500/year.  And they would grow, year after year. If you wanted to pre-pay your property taxes at the time you bought your house?

You would have to put about $800,000 in 30-year T-bonds to pay your next 30 years of property tax.  [ math warning:  V = C/(r-g) x ( 1 - [(1+rf)^-30]), where rf = 3% and g = 2% and C = $13,500.] So after 15 years, you would owe the bank nothing, but you would owe the state about $1 million to prepay the next 30 years of property tax.  Property tax is a serious issue.

I pay 900 a month for a 1200 sf 2BR apartment 1 mile from downtown Providence, RI.

>>>> Where do Aspen's service workers live? 

http://www.aspenpitkin.com/Departments/Human-Resources/Relocation-Inform...

>>>Property tax is a serious issue.

What is it for a home under 200k? 

Got 5 acres in rural suburbia in W. OR, with a double wide, about one hour from the ocean. Got the land in 1984 for a steal - "motivated seller" was newly divorced and working in Saudi Arabia - and the mobile in 2002 to replace the 70s single wide with addition that came with the place. Currently pay 1236 - p 321, i 509, t 406, ins 75. Bank owns 182K, we own the rest. Total value anywhere from 250 to 500K, depending on who's talking.

Too much!

paid 304,000 in 2005 with 6.5% 30 year fixed 

still owe little over 200,000

property taxes little under 2,000

wanna buy it?!

slacker, there is a 50k homestead exemption. meaning 500 pays the taxes of 450, a million pays the tax of 950,000, and 200,000 pays the tax of 150.  Houses worth 50k or less pay no property tax.

If you live in DFW in a house worth les than 50k, you don't have to help pay for schools.

PS Schools in big cities in TX are not great.,

PSS schools in white suburbs of big cities in TX are incredibly well funded, they have €50 million high school stadiums.

Do you have swim/pool/cabana clubs to supplement the families that can't afford a country club? 

Campolindo just held their annual swim club tourney last week. 

Swimming is easier than golf. 

>property taxes little under 2,000

Wow, my property tax bill was 6700 pre flood, now it is $10800

>>Sorry Lumber for the Increase = Stupid hurricanes......<<

Thanks, PLF. When we moved here I said, "It's not a matter of if we'll flood, it's going to happen. We need to figure out what we will do when we flood." Having said that, I was unprepared on many levels.  I'm ready for the next one, I think.

>> what is Sad i See Many beachfront houses around here that  Sit empty Most of the Year ! 2nd homes for peeps that Live In Other States<<

We have some of that here as well. This is my neighbor's 2nd home...

^They only come down during the summer

>>>Where do Aspen's service workers live? 

Delta, CO.

Does everybody have a "right" to be able to afford a house in Aspen?<<<

I believe everybody has a "primary property right" (food, clothing, shelter) in the vein of John Locke.

If one has not attained their primary property rights, one ought to be able to "challenge" those who are working on second, thirds, etc.  In practical terms, this might entail a forced sale of a secondary home by someone / family seeking a primary residence.  Forced sale would still provide fair market value to owner, but they would be compelled to sell or perhaps make it their primary residence (with big repercussions if they start to engage in a "shell game").

>If one has not attained their primary property rights, one ought to be able to "challenge" those who are working on second, thirds, etc.  In practical terms, this might entail a forced sale of a secondary home by someone / family seeking a primary residence.  Forced sale would still provide fair market value to owner<

I don't want to live in a country that would "force" such things. 

>>>> Where do Aspen's service workers live?

"Down Valley". WAY down valley past Glenwood Springs in Silt, Rifle, etc..

Would you also force a family with one more vehicle than the number of licensed drivers to sell one of their cars?

The possibilities are endless.

>>  In practical terms, this might entail a forced sale of a secondary home by someone / family seeking a primary residence. Forced sale would still provide fair market value to owner<<<

The person who could afford this property at fair market value already has the means to be an active participant in the market.

The person who could afford this property at fair market value already has the means to be an active participant in the market.<<<

But aren't said markets inflated to begin with primarily because of speculation and secondary property interests?   It might take a little bit of time to gain traction, but speculation will immediately become more risky and after a critical mass (of forced sales) has been achieved, there could very well be a downward trajectory of real estate values until it reaches a "new equilibrium".

I don't want to live in a country that would "force" such things. <<<

You already do.  Eminent domain is a reality here and now..  Likewise, if you believe a corporation = person, takings are already being invoked upon a "person's behalf".

The above abstractions aside, I have a friend who was compelled to sell a dead restricted affordable housing unit because he was not in compliance with rules (there are several others in the pipeline facing forced sales).

Would you also force a family with one more vehicle than the number of licensed drivers to sell one of their cars?

The possibilities are endless.<<<

Not sure a vehicle would qualify as a "primary property right" ... since it's not a necessity for survival, but the point is taken in so far as how such a concept could be left open to wide interpretation.

Who would anyone buy into a market that is being "forced" down in values? Plus, what current owner would sit idle while there is an effort by the government to undermine their equity? Those bums would be voted out on their ear.

Sounds like what you are seeking is affordable housing. There's a place for government in affordable, deed-restricted housing. I have seen it work effectively in both resort markets and metro markets. But, you don't seize a trophy house to make it affordable housing.

"words"

>> I have a friend who was compelled to sell a dead restricted affordable housing unit because he was not in compliance with rules <<

Was he renting it out? What was the violation?

All of the rules are very well defined in the deed, etc. What is the background?

I'm paying $785 mortgage in the intermountain west-- owe about 71k on my house.

However - will probably be heading to Oregon sooner than later- scoped out some decent properties there (not Portland)...with the sale of my house here - I should be in good shape.

PS- SF will bust again- folks are already starting to bail out...and the next dot/com "pop" will seal the deal.

>>>>> a dead restricted affordable housing unit

Ain't buying it if I can't play my Jerry.

Who would anyone buy into a market that is being "forced" down in values? Plus, what current owner would sit idle while there is an effort by the government to undermine their equity? Those bums would be voted out on their ear.

Sounds like what you are seeking is affordable housing. There's a place for government in affordable, deed-restricted housing. I have seen it work effectively in both resort markets and metro markets. But, you don't seize a trophy house to make it affordable housing.<<<

If someone is seeking a primary residence, one might not care so much about trajectory of property values; however, you have a point re: initial phase.  Not saying it'd be easy to enact or that were wouldn't be fierce resistance.  Yes, it would be an attempt to enact affordable housing in areas that have gotten way out of control.

>> If someone is seeking a primary residence, one might not care so much about trajectory of property values; <<

If they are buying it (investing their hard-earned money), then they sure as hell will. As will the people who have already bought their property.

>> I have a friend who was compelled to sell a dead restricted affordable housing unit because he was not in compliance with rules <<

Was he renting it out? What was the violation?

All of the rules are very well defined in the deed, etc. What is the background?<<<

Not certain friend is being totally transparent, so can't really say for certain.  He claims the non-compliance was with respect to a tenant renting a room in his condo who was not qualified (can't recall precisely why not, but had something to do with the nature of their employment) and also having inherited some money after his father passed away a few years ago and consequently having greater assets than is allowed.

I know of at least one other person who's getting booted because of an inheritance.   Rules are rules, but I find it interesting how they're now being aggressively applied in the midst of an affordable housing "crisis"  However, the divide between affordable housing and open market is so vast, that income / asset limits under some deed restricted programs aren't very helpful in promoting "upward class mobility" in that people often find themselves in a slightly better financial situation that disqualifies them from deed restricted units, but they're still a far ways away from being able to afford anything on the open market.

>> If someone is seeking a primary residence, one might not care so much about trajectory of property values; <<

If they are buying it (investing their hard-earned money), then they sure as hell will. As will the people who have already bought their property.<<<

As I mentioned, I concede it'd be concerning for buyers before an area reached an equilibrium ... since there would be a substantial drop if everything worked as planned.  Still haven't figured out how to "massage" the transition to mitigate this.   However, once it reaches an equilibrium, people who want to maintain a primary residence in desirable areas such as Aspen might not care so much if their home doesn't appreciate in leaps & bounds.  There's another class of deed restriction in our area that works almost on capping resale value appreciation - and these are in very high demand.

>> tenant renting a room in his condo <<

I doubt it is the income status of the renter, it's probably that he can't rent the property at all, even a bedroom.

I've never seen an audit of someone's income after the property is sold and closed.

>> Still haven't figured out how to "massage" the transition to mitigate this. <<

Good luck (it ain't gonna happen).

Historically, the best way to achieve this is by either building new affordable housing developments sponsored by the municipality (or a major employer ie: ski company), or requiring all new projects to have a set % of units sold as "affordable housing" units.

And yes, an appreciation cap (typically 3%) is essential.

>> tenant renting a room in his condo <<

I doubt it is the income status of the renter, it's probably that he can't rent the property at all, even a bedroom.

I've never seen an audit of someone's income after the property is sold and closed<<<

I'm fairly certain one can rent excess rooms, but they also need to be qualified ... it's one of the areas that people are tripping up on in recent times with the rubber gloves and magnifying glass having been taken out.  "Snitches" have also emerged in the mix.  I'm all for enforcing the spirit of the rules to help the program function as intended, but the gray areas are now being toyed with by both home owners and officials.

Sounds like you're very familiar with affordable housing, have you worked in the field?

(I don't think it's going to happen, re: forced sales).

Face, I understand eminent domain, and I an against it. But what you are suggesting is much more pervasive. 

You are unsure about vehicles being a primary property right, but you mentioned clothing. Would I be allowed to own mutiple pairs of shoes? How about pants? My son has about 20 t-shirts, could he be compelled to sell some of them? There are people who go hungry every day. Could I be forced to provide them food? 

Could I be forced to provide them food?<<<

Hypothetically, yes.

If one person somehow manages to monopolize a food supply in a population, are you suggesting said person has a "right" to let others starve?

I was paying 935 for rent in Long Beach. After I moved out, they increased it to 1450.00

Impractical idealism...what's it good for?

>if one person somehow manages to monopolize a food supply in a population, are you suggesting said person has a "right" to let others starve?

That's is a ridiculous hypothetical. You wrote, "I believe everybody has a "primary property right" (food, clothing, shelter)"  

No one individual monopolizes access to these items. But i have more than enough food and clothing, while others are in need of such things. If you believe I should be compelled to sell my second home to satisfy another's primary property right,  it seems that i could be likewise compelled to sell my abundance of food and clothing to provide for those in need these items.

>>>   I believe everybody has a "primary property right" (food, clothing, shelter)"  

Assume people in coal mining towns in West Virginia decide to head west and move to Aspen.

Do they have some kind of "right" to shelter in Aspen, despite the fact that they can't afford it?

I pay about $950.00 a month (that includes mortgage, insurance, taxes and fees) per month for my 5 BR house that is over 21000 square feet with a 2 car garage, 2.5 baths, and fenced in yard. 

How much is an empty lot in the town next to Aspen? Do they allow mobile homes? 

Do commuting service workers clog roads and pollute skies? 

>>my 5 BR house that is over 21000 square feet with a 2 car garage

That is one big ass house

My utility bills are the largest economic loss in my living expenses.  That $$ goes nowhere towards equity or personal infrastructure improvement.  So I quit Verizon some months back,  and swapped out incandescent light bulbs for LED bulbs in overhead lights.  That saved many $$ from going in the toilette.

I do switch the Water Heater breaker to "off" when I'm away for a couple-few days,  but replacing the old inefficient Bradford-White unit with a more modern one has saved many $$.  Doing that myself shaved any plumber fees off the equation.

My biggest concern now is garnering more Farm income,  and utilizing said income to improve Farm equipment and outbuildings.  Tractors need maintenance, there's  a bulldozer with many issues,  and a neglected Field.  Firewood only brings in a limited income compared to politics or religion, with  a lot more actual Labor involved.

Fortunately I've no serious debt-structure,  but I'm not opposed to researching that in the future in order to improve the Farm.

Primary residence bought late '99, just paid off 15 year mortgage in 2015.  

Have five years down on another 15 year term rental spot.

Looking for land in the Western VA highlands.

Watch out for fracking out that way, SW VA area... We are now looking in Shenandoah County because they banned fracking, at least for the moment. Looking at lots now, pay off the lot and build what we want done right, at least thats the plan.

Congrats on paying off that mortgage.

Plf, one important thing to keep in mind, you need a 20% down payment and good credit with no credit card dept ect to qualily for a good interest rate. Fannie Mae has good first time home buyer programs.

Impractical idealism...what's it good for?<<<

Jefferson gave up on abolition pretty early on, and perhaps we're lucky he did ... at least in so far as him being able to accomplish higher goals "from the inside" that he may otherwise not have (to support your point).  However,  later on in his life, when he had various young protege's willing to do the heavy lifting and footwork necessary re: abolition, he still was not willing to take on the fight .  Maybe he was "correct" about whether it'd actually do any good, but can't help but wonder if the hypocrisy got the better of him and his soul?

That's is a ridiculous hypothetical. You wrote, "I believe everybody has a "primary property right" (food, clothing, shelter)"  

No one individual monopolizes access to these items. But i have more than enough food and clothing, while others are in need of such things. If you believe I should be compelled to sell my second home to satisfy another's primary property right,  it seems that i could be likewise compelled to sell my abundance of food and clothing to provide for those in need these items.<<<

Granted it was a very extreme example, but mostly to illustrate a point.  Why should a society have to wait until its on the cusp of a French Revolution re: enormous disparity of wealth vs. utter poverty in order to enact reform measures?  I'm not a proponent of pure socialism either, it just seems a lot of other countries have figured out how to achieve a good balance vs. what we're seeing now with extreme deregulation / unbridled capitalism.  

Assume people in coal mining towns in West Virginia decide to head west and move to Aspen.

Do they have some kind of "right" to shelter in Aspen, despite the fact that they can't afford it?<<<

You touch upon a difficult aspect of what I propose ... I believe the cleanest way would be to simply observe the distinction between primary and secondary homes regardless of where one is or has been located within the U.S.

You could've easily also asked: What if it's a "foreign national" seeking to force a sale of a resident? ... and it becomes even more complicated.

On the flip side, and as another extreme example, what if Google somehow managed to buy up all the property in Waco, TX ... forcing all current residents become renters.  After parlaying profits from their Waco financial endeavor, they moved on to buy up all property in Winnemucca, NV, then moved on to Reno ... and so on.  At what point would it be acceptable for the U.S. to step in and say the consolidation of property ownership into the hands of too few has become out of hand and requires regulation?  What if it were China instead of Google?

You Communist Chinamen always want other people's stuff.

Go piss up a rope until that time when you March through Canada and eat US all.

China was once the most advanced nation in the World,  and may still be. But they are Godless Communists,  and put Poison in pet food.

However,  I admire how they can throw a few Scallions, Carrots & baby Shrimp in a handful of White Rice,  and put their Kids through Harvard Bizness School to further enslave the Round-Eye races in the eternal Quest for Global Domination.

It's the MSG.  Every Chinese restaurant throws tons of that in the food to keep Round-Eyes coming back for more.

 >>>>>But they are Godless Communists

No, they are now godless corporatists.

Depends on what part of LA. If you live with other people it's prob the only way to get under a g a month. The Bay Area is the highest though. Crazy prices. 

If one has not attained their primary property rights, one ought to be able to "challenge" those who are working on second, thirds, etc.  In practical terms, this might entail a forced sale of a secondary home by someone / family seeking a primary residence.

This would be a very slippery slope to go down. First of all, it would mean there is some sort of governmental body that would have to make decisions as to the validity of the above challenge. As you have rallied about many times before, who are these bureacrats/individuals/housing squads and why should they have this power? Is it much different than the airline gate attendants that you went after recently. Is the next step a group that decides that you've lived in a desirable area for too long and should be forced to move in order to give someone else a try. Same thing with jobs. You did the work to have an excellent salary but others haven't so back to the mailroom for you.

Homeowners are just nimbys.

^heck, Slack, I just don't want to be forced to sell my backyard. 

Sycamore Slough

Disco Stu on Friday, July 14, 2017 – 06:35 pm

You Communist Chinamen always want other people's stuff.

Go piss up a rope until that time when you March through Canada and eat US all.

China was once the most advanced nation in the World,  and may still be. But they are Godless Communists,  and put Poison in pet food.

However,  I admire how they can throw a few Scallions, Carrots & baby Shrimp in a handful of White Rice,  and put their Kids through Harvard Bizness School to further enslave the Round-Eye races in the eternal Quest for Global Domination.

It's the MSG.  Every Chinese restaurant throws tons of that in the food to keep Round-Eyes coming back for more.

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wow, racism at its finest

drink another

stick to dogs & logs stu

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on topic, mortgage is abt $500/month. 2bd , 1bth. cool finished basement with room for another bathroom

great neighbors & we love it

were in N central IL

Yikes, Stu. Not sure where that came from.

Anyhow, we pay about what we should for where we live.

Your thoughts of "Racism"  toward me are indignant... Mr. or Ms. imaginary Xoner handle Frank3.

If you are a person or such-like of Chinese descent,  my apologies.

But you should be well aware of the "Long-March"  Chinese policy,  which describes how the China Army will take over North America by virtue of a massive populace marching through Canada to take over existing resources here in Canada / USA.

Perhaps you are a Communist Instigator helping to instill Fear amongst North Americans ??  

I am not afraid of you in particular,  Mr. or Ms. Frank3,  but the fear you distribute through internet Communist sentiment is quite disturbing.

Most of the North Americans just want to work, raise Farm crops, and live their lives Free of the Red Menace.

And China has never produced any Automobiles as Cool as a 1969 Buick Riviera,  or even close.

Chinese will not make it very far in an attack from the Gulf of Mexico. Lots o' guns and ammo that way.

To say nothing of the Wall, Jaz.

Time for somebody to go beddy-bye. Goodnight, Stu.

Remember the Alamo. My beaner family kicked ass.

The Chinese are not focusing upon Louisiana or Alabama as ports of entry in a Physical invasion,  although there are many Seaports for  container - Ships in the Gulf Ports.  It's too darn Hot in that part of the world.  They will roll in from the North,  no doubt.

People in Saskatchewan or Nebraska won't even notice.  They are too busy growing Wheat in the Summer or practicing their Curling techniques in the Winter.

Manitoba,  "Land of a Million Lakes" will be a likely Parkway for the Chinese Tanks.  Everyone up there will be Ice-fishing or taking naps.  Just South is North Dakota. It is too Cold for anyone to live there :: Easy Chinese occupation.

The Red Menace already knows what I've described.  Some non-partisan branch of the State Dept. should hire me as a consultant to help fight the Red Menace.

I've got most of August free,  and can help consult to keep Canadians and USA folks Free. The southern border wall nonsense is all a distraction paid for by the Red Menace.  Same with the N. Korea soap-opera.  

China troops love it when we get distracted by media-clone politicians.  

I am a Patriot,  and want to see Canada & USA  make it through the Communist invasion which the Bush regime laid out.

If  Canada and USA work together in a sensible manner,  we can form a functional Economy and turn the Communists back toward ... well,  whatever they did back when. 

And EB Fox,

I see what you are attempting there.

Just admit that you are a Chinese agent with dozens of copies of Chairman Mao's little book to hand out on JRAD tour 

You know already that I've met all sorts of Communists,  and they all wished that they lived in a Capitalist nation and could obtain clean copies of Led Zeppelin LP's  or Captain BeefHeart.  But in their totalitarian nations, they could go to prison forever for that.

That is not the sort of future I wish for my GrandChildren.  And it is unacceptable to me for Bad People to wish for Communism here in the Free World. 

It is awfully Naughty, and you should be ashamed of that.

Thanks, Stu. I feel safe now.

Stu, they're coming by rail and sea

https://qz.com/983460/obor-an-extremely-simple-guide-to-understanding-ch...

What’s driving China’s New Silk Road, and how should the West respond?

The Silk Road Summit, covering China’s One Belt, One Road (OBOR) initiative, is as much about celebrating Beijing’s rise as the 2008 Olympics were. For the first time in the history of the Westphalian system, Asian and other non-European heritage countries are not only ascending to central places in the global order, but are refashioning its structure.

Unprecedented in size and scope, China’s infrastructure project promises investments of around $1 trillion (though only $50 billion has been spent so far), covering countries accounting for 60 percent of the world’s population and one-third of global GDP (though this includes critic of the plan, India). All this occurs at a time when Western global leadership is hamstrung by internal rifts. If policymakers are to respond to China’s global thrust, they must understand the factors behind it and reflect on some of the conventional wisdom that has placed the West at a disadvantage in certain respects

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2017/05/17/whats-driving...

>>Homeowners are just nimbys<<

not just homeowners,  Anaheim doesn't want homeless people hanging around "the happiest place on Earth"

While homelessness surges in Disneyland's shadow, Anaheim removes bus benches

...one day, the benches around the amusement park — including his regular spot outside of a 7-Eleven at Harbor Boulevard and Katella Avenue — disappeared.

Soon, people were competing for pavement.

No more sleeping spot. Just concrete,” Jackson, 47, said on a sweltering day. “There were already people claiming the space.”

The vanishing benches were Anaheim’s response to complaints about the homeless population around Disneyland. Public work crews removed 20 benches from bus shelters after callers alerted City Hall to reports of vagrants drinking, defecating or smoking pot in the neighborhood near the amusement park’s entrance, officials said.

Cleaning up Disney’s home

Anaheim is Orange County’s largest city and home to Disneyland, one of the region’s biggest draws and tax generators. The city has spent more than two decades trying to clean up the area around the park — once noted for run-down motels and prostitution — into a family-friendly, tourist-oriented “resort district.”

“It breaks our heart to have to remove those benches,” said Mike Lyster, a city spokesman. “But their purpose is to provide seating for someone waiting for a bus.”

He stressed that the bench removal was not tied to concerns about Disneyland visitors. “We’re not taking this action because of tourism. We never had a request from Disney,” Lyster said. “But we did hear from small shop owners and motel owners about the safety issues so we stepped up

Some visitors to Disneyland said they appreciated the reason Anaheim removed benches.

“It’s a good idea,” says Walton Guerrero, 59, of El Paso. He and 10 members of his family arrived in town for five days packed with Disneyland rides. “This is a tourist place. We need more security so everyone can come back.”

Pushing a stroller carrying his newest grandchild, 4-month-old Samuel, Guerrero said: “We need to feel like we can bring older people and younger people here. We don’t want the kids to be exposed to bad activity.”

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-anaheim-bus-stops-20170715-s...

>>>>not just homeowners 

>>>we did hear from small shop owners and motel owners 

Damn, Slack, you're up early.

Slack, I'm sure some local business owners have complained, but Anaheim is trying to protect their cash cow.  Mr. Lyster would likely be looking for a new job had singled out Disney.

Just saw an ad in the newspaper (what's that?, you may ask) for a downtown Corvallis studio for $400, utilities included! At first I thought it might be an artist's studio instead of a studio apartment, with no sleeping, but the ad says laundry in building, so...Also saw one for a duplex 2br for $800.

anaheim homeless pop has exploded. they have a tent city down in the wash by angels stadium.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbWRfBZY-ng

James McMurtry "We can't make it here"

I met a veteran (4 tours in Iraq)  at the dog park today who had been homeless for 2 years, and now has subsidized housing - said he pays $100 a month for his apartment. he was saying that when his full disability (CRSP) and social security come through then he will be evicted from his subsidized housing - claimed that he could receive over $4000 grand a month in disability payments as a former combat veteran. That's over the allowed income limit for the low income housing. And in this area, believe it or not  he would still have a hard time finding an apartment and having enough money to pay for utilities and basic living expenses. I hope he's wrong about getting evicted if his benefits come through, maybe they will just up his rent a bit at his current subsidized apartment?