What Defines a Little girl ?

Dude she was, what, 14? There really should be no question. Ryan was, what, 40? Even if (big if) she looked 18, he should’ve known better. And, a real creepy part of the report so far, is that he seemed to know he was crossing a line, and did it anyway. 

Plenty of artists have been perverted creeps. Best to learn to separate your appreciation of their art from who they are/were as people.

If true, Ryan did something very, very bad. He may be going away for awhile.... 

From the article, which is factual, researched and well written:

Federal law bars the sexual exploitation of children under 18, defining a violator as anyone who “persuades, induces, entices or coerces any minor to engage in” a visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct. Several legal experts said that decisions on whether to prosecute such cases could hinge on whether the adult reasonably believed the minor was of legal age, taking into account context from their conversations.

"When She IS 7 or So"

Gross. If you have to ask the difference between a child under 18 and a grown adult, please seek help.

Now might be a good time to destroy your 'puter, Plf. And find a new hobby, a good therapist and possibly a good attorney if you've been doing what Ryan's been doing. 

>>When She IS 7 or So

oh, man...I read that as “17” the first time...but this is really fucked up. I have a 10 year old daughter, and this makes me sad/angry to read...

What’s wrong here is Ryan’s behavior. It’s got nothing to with the journalist doing his job. It’s got nothing to do with how the 14 (or 17) year old girl looked!

Help me out here, PLF. Are you:

a. Off your rocker

b. In pain and out of meds

c. A and B

d. None of the above

This thread is fucked up, and I really don’t know where to go with it until you answer.

Good, because then you’re open game for whatever backlash you get for a bunch of your comments.

>>>>>What Defines a Little girl ?

Surfing?

CryinRyan is in pain too. I know cause I’ve heard his songs. That doesn’t excuse his actions though.

Yes, Plf I will ‘fuck off’ and you can do the same.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H2LQMElLoLs

You’re right, I do know you. thought you were a perv then too.

Fun? no, we never had fun together. maybe I was nice to you then, but don’t expect that again.

I’m sorry you’re in pain, but seriously, smash your ‘puter and save yourself some grief.

I've been told the "creepometer" is half your age plus seven. 

For the most part that's always seemed pretty reasonable to me, so in that scenario if Ryan was 40 at the time then anything under 27 would be a "little girl".

So if the allegations are true... Ryan = creep.

Dude sure can sing though.

You should meet up with Gravy and have some beers and bowls.

Have you viewed kiddie porn on your ‘puter, Plf?  Kids over the age of 7..or under? 

Any ‘predator’ children send you nude photos upon request?

>>>You’re right, I do know you. thought you were a perv then too<<<

ZOTY comment right there.

>>>o.k. nancy we did Not have Fun but i Did with others<<<

Plf, you're setting up on a tee with a comment like that.

 >predator underagers

you a NAMBLA member? Because you sure sound like one.

yeah, that one’s just too easy though, Lance. Maybe if we were on a Phish fan site..

To be clear, you’re saying that a 14 year old was preying on a 40 year old Ryan Adams?

Full disclosure, I was done with Ryan Adams when he dropped Wolf.

Carry on...

PLF, do you need me to send you some bud from Vermont? I have more than enough, and you need something different.

I I’ll still watch Woody Allen movies. and Roman Polanski movies. and I’d even listen to Mike Gordon play. maybe even Ryan Adams. and no, they shouldn’t be around anyone’s children. 

Defending their art is way different than defending their perv behavior. 

Yes, Mrs. Canyon is very nice, PLF. But damn, not the brightest move considering there were children in the house at the time. 

Wait, plf, you think I’m an asshole for standing up for little innocent girls close to my daughter’s age? And that you’re displaying common sense by being skeptical and lashing out at a reporter (who had to follow strict professional guidelines and have sources vetted etc)? 

No, bro, you’re way off your rocker. Fuck your “pain” excuses for every dumb thing you do/say. Sorry your hero let you down. My advice, don’t be so heavily invested in entertainers. 

I bet a nickle that Judit has her head in her hands right now, thinking, "And we just got rid of bluelight. I thought we were done with crazy for a while."

Not so fast Ms. J.

LONG LIVE THE BLACK SCREEN!!!!!!!

If you read the fucking article, you would know. Instead, you didn’t read it (or anything else about it) and shot the messenger for reporting about the dude you think is a “cool guy.”

Dude...

Some people r really struggling with this Ryan Adams debacle

>>>Some people r really struggling with this Ryan Adams debacle<<<

I wonder how Ryan's dealing with it?

Too bad bluelight is gone. He could have spoken with Ryan personally and given us an update.

His reporting was top-notch, Trump.

If the dude gets ruined, it’s because he knowingly coerced a minor into sending him nude pics. What the fuck does that have to do with anyone here or a reporter? 

PLF, I’m just going to say it: some of the shit you’ve been laying down about this is as fucked up as anything I’ve ever seen here.

dude, plf.

(((composure)))

>>If the dude gets ruined, it’s because he knowingly coerced a minor into sending him nude pics.<<

it's pretty cut and dry.

What is that picture supposed to show?  Maybe post yours next to it for contrast?

this thread is the funniest thing ive seen on the zone in a really long time. like maybe since the real PZ. "ryan is a Cool guy" and "me and ryan will prevail" should go into the pantheon of all time great PZ quotes. this is a jeffg/zippy level trainwreck and i am honored to be here to see this go down. kudos to all involved.

ryan adams being outed as a creeper might be the best thing to happen to the PZ in years.

someone needs to save this thread. I mean, literally SAVE it. because you're right, it's a doozy, daylight,  and might not be up for long. 

Does Phil know about Viva?

god i hope not

Rob - it is I, 4winds, sailboat woman from the past.  

Unforced Errors Theatre

Daylight, I don't think you were around when Phil came on the old zone and gave everyone a tongue lashing for being "mean" to Ryan. Maybe time for a redux?

Time to change your strain.

So how do we feel about the fact that Bobby has a family with the 15 year old he was creepy with back in the day?

And every detail of this Ryan Adam's thing is the least surprising news I've ever heard.

Cam from Maine cant be taking this well.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/make-an-honest-wo...

How sweet, Plf. I'm glad you found a friend in 4 winds. 

hl73 - what's your take on Gordon's art photos?

>>Cam from Maine cant be taking this well.

lol, levity.

Credibility is a prerequisite to comment on the zone?

Guilty as charged, and in that case I sure have wasted a lot of words over the years.

So a question Plf, who among us DOES have credibility?

weirdo nansy-  you've been trolling all day without success.  

Plf doesn't live here anymore, Lance. He's  too busy stalking a New York Times journalist to answer your questions. 

>>>After 18 and a Half Years IT IS GOODBYE. ROB<<<

Oh nuts. Now I'll never know who is credible.

Plf's swan song 

Hello, it's me
I was wondering if after all these years you'd like to meet
To go over everything
They say that time's supposed to heal ya
But I ain't done much healing

Hello, can you hear me?
I'm in California dreaming about who we used to be
When we were younger and free
I've forgotten how it felt before the world fell at our feet

There's such a difference between us
And a million miles

Hello from the other side
I must've called a thousand times
To tell you I'm sorry
For everything that I've done
But when I call you never
Seem to be home

Hello from the outside
At least I can say that I've tried
To tell you I'm sorry
For breaking your heart
But it don't matter, it clearly
Doesn't tear you apart anymore

Hello, how are you?
It's so…

Sorry, there's probably a better RA song that would work here. 

Take care, Rob.  Seriously.

At this point, do you really think people are not who they say on a slow board that's heyday was over 15 years ago? 

Goodbye honey 
It's nice to see you 
Goodbye and ain't I blue 
Goodbye honey 
Mind the door and maybe we will see you again 
Maybe we will see you again 
Goodbye, honey

Goodbye honey 
I hope you're happy
Goodbye and good luck, too 
Goodbye honey 
Mind the door and 
Maybe we will see you again 
Maybe we will see you again 
'Cause it's been a long time coming and I won't miss you 
It's been a long time coming and ain't I blue 
Didn't come a minute too soon 
Better take a good look at yourself 
You better take a look and see what's left 
'Cause it's been a long time coming

Daffodils and pretty things, take all of my money please 
Daffodils and pretty things, take all of my money please

'Cause it's been a long time coming 
It's been a long time coming
'Cause it's been a long time coming

yikes. pull it together, man.

first bluelight, now plf.

we may be lucky (or unlucky, depending on how you look at it) that disco stu just seemed to fade away. 

We already covered Bobby in the other thread.

Tho6, have you seen Mike Gordon's Jones Beach photos? 

Was there a “goodbye cruel Zone” up in there?

Possibly, or maybe he's busy searching out someone's employer..and furiously emailing the journalist who broke the story. 

Hopefully he just took my advice and smashed his computer 

Or at least his Cap/Shift buttons.

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wow..strange melt plf...go away dude

plf, sorry. but i can't associate myself with you anymore. maybe take a 6 month break and hope we all forget this. for now, bye plf

OP 

Don't you understand it's fucked up for a GROWN-ASS MAN to be messing with a CHILD??????????

Seriously, to even ask a question about defining a "little girl" is disturbing in and of itself!!!!! In my book anyway!

I'm glad I don't have a daughter (son for that matter as well). I'd be so on the lookout for pervs. 

Those fuckers are everywhere!

Sorry, rant over.

Sugar and spice and everything nice????

At least thats what i was led to believe....and , i told my kids the same silly rhymes my parents told me....;)

Remember when jr got PLF banned?

Yo plf. Give a love one a call and tell them you're struggling. Remember man, you are Loved. 

Rob, I get that you're struggling with finding out someone you admire has acted dishonorably.  I suppose I've learned through the years to try not to put people up on pedestals.  We're all human and we all do a pretty good job of f*!#in' up.   

Don't let the goon squad get to you, they'll fall off their high horse sooner or later.  

Wishing you peace and freedom from pain.

Be well, and feel free to come back here when you're up to it.

 I don’t really like the idea of removing threads; I think this is a good place to end this one.