Tulsi Gabbard, Russian Asset!!!

Thom BanJoe..... Russian Asset!!!

She lost California because of Russia. 

Thom, I find it shocking that you are giving this report any credence or that you believe anything attributed to Ms. Clinton. Therefore, I think again that you are just a shit-stirrer with an angle you think will get a response from Zoners. Well, you did it again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Examiner

lol, you really sure you are a librarian?

I agree with Thom (no - he'll hasn't froze over). By some accounts, she has ties to Bashar al-Assad and Lebanese terrorist groups.  She is also close to Indian PM Modi who believes India should remain a Hindu only nation. Putin loves what she's doing and is his preferred Democratic candidate. 

Lastly, she believes she's an internal spirit soul guided by Guru Chris Butler who split from the Hare Krishnas. Butler is a known homophobe and has also been known to add a bit of his toe nail clippings to his followers food. 

Thom, thank you for bringing this to the zone zeitgist 

>>> And you people...

There is no question Hillary is saying Tulsi is being groomed by Russia to run as a third party candidate:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/18/politics/hillary-clinton-tulsi-gabbard/in...

Its not a particularly outlandish claim either.  Th Russians don't appear to be deterred from throwing support behind third party candidates or otherwise stirring up shit and doing their best to divide the American public into disparate tribes.  That being said, Hillary needs to stay as far away as possible from the 2020 campaign.   She is not going to help.

She blames the person that came in fourth. 

Let's agree to disagree

" but he's not insane."

lols

you both are!

hi!

tgif

>>>>She blames the person that came in fourth. 

Right, she doesn't get it or want to get it.  In the grand scheme of things, the Democrats should be more worried about all the people in their own party who stayed home than the much smaller number of people who voted for third-parties:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/registered-voters-who-stayed-home-p...

Also, judit/admin shouldn't come on here to chastise and wave their shamey fingers unless they have their facts straight. 

>And you people wanted this person to be President. 

Donald Trump has manifest issues, but he's not insane<

Immoral idiot it is.

Or are you trying real hard to rationalize your support foy that POS Trump?

"Get over it"

 >>> Also, judit/admin JR shouldn't come on here to chastise and wave their shamey fingers unless they have their facts straight. 

JR, when I post as me, a Zoner, I post as judit. When I post in an admin role, I post as admin.

Hillary was right about Donnie being Putin's puppet. She's probably right about Tulsi too. 
 

Tulsi just responded to the allegations by calling Hillary "the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long."    

How many more people is Clinton going to blame for her own arrogant decision not to campaign in key states? I mean..lol. GTFOH

>>>> by calling Hillary "the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long."   

Her fundraising in California didn't help anyone.

>>>How many more people is Clinton going to blame for her own arrogant decision not to campaign in key states?
 

Exactly! It was hers to win,  but she fell victim to hubris. Yeah, the far left vilified her to the extreme, and that hurt, but it wasn't insurmountable. She lost all on her own.

Whether it's fair or not, Hillary is kind of a liability these days. She should maybe shut the fuck up.

"Tulsi Gabbard is This Election's Ron Paul"

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rosiegray/tulsi-gabbard-2020-ron-paul

Seems obvious that she's about to declare a 3rd party candidacy, with Vlad's blessings. 

Just going to be a bit more awkward when she makes the announcement because Hillary already provided  the prediction

Expect a Russian media blitz to help Tulsi and confuse the electorate just like they did with Jill Stein. Suckers..

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/russians-launched-pro...

>Two days before the 2016 presidential election, an Instagram account called @woke_blacks posted a message in support of long-shot Green Party candidate Jill Stein.

“The excuse that a lost Black vote for Hillary is a Trump win is bs,” it read. “It could be late, but y’all might want to support Jill Stein instead.”

According to a report commissioned by the Senate, the account was a fake, part of the Russian campaign to sway the 2016 presidential election in favor of Donald Trump.

The report was one of two that leaked this week saying the Russian effort to disrupt the election specifically targeted black voters and harnessed America’s top social media platforms. But the reports contained another finding that was largely overlooked — the Russians also focused on boosting Stein’s candidacy through social media posts like the one from @woke_blacks...

But let's make this about Hilllary. lol. 

(((you people)))

>>>>>>specifically targeted black voters

Blame them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7Rx5ayv9RM

>>>And you people wanted this person to be President. 

Hey Thom! Fuck you, you piece of shit. You’re a cunt, never forget that. 

     For those of you that are actually interested in the truth of the matter, please take a few moments and watch this video, if you are wishing to remain a Clinton loyalist, you may want to put your head in the sand.

     https://youtu.be/OtgCC5cZP5Q

Hillary isn't running for President, dipshit. 

     After Tulsi's interview this evening, I concur...she should never show her face in polite society again.

     https://youtu.be/e7qQ6_RV4VQ

Lol ^
 

of course you agree with #MoscowTulsi 

     Nancy...I like you, you know that, but you are completely mistaken on this one, I'd be remiss if I didn't say so.  Hillary has literally lost her mind, probably by living a life of pure darkness.  Did you watch the Tulsi Gabbard interview?

“It’s now clear that this primary is between you and me,” Gabbard continued. “<<

What a loon.

     This is a watershed moment for the electorate, and as a microcosm the zone, now that people are fully aware of Hillary's insanity/darkness what say you?  What say you?

     https://youtu.be/Yjzv__G2Wbo

GFY.

     ^ nice

     Actually, I kind of feel like Tulsi is stealing my catch phrases, like Hillary is a bloodthirsty warmonger...that's my line!  I felt a similar feeling when Kurt Kobain started wearing flannel shirts after I pioneered that look on the Grateful Dead lot with pine needles in my hair, fatigues and muddy boots.

>>>>now that people are fully aware of Hillary's insanity/darkness what say you?

She is not running for president and there are reasons she didn't win last time.  Hope she stays far, far away from this election.   

What do you all think about her husband stumping for Warren or Bernie once the primary is sorted out?   Should he stay home too?  I hear he is still popular with a lot of black folks and they would be a good voter base to get active and out to the polls.

     I'm airing grievances...Ken, I have a good bit of respect for you, but you of all people on this message board have the cerebral capacity to understand this scam yet you stay silent, in my view that's worse than the people intellectually incapable to see it, that disappoints me greatly.  What if this were 243 years ago...which side are you on?

     https://youtu.be/5iAIM02kv0g

I know of the "scam" and am all in.   Sorry to disappoint. 

If it was 243 years ago, i would be trying to run the tyrant king out of town.  

¡Viva la revolución!

Everything is a National Enquirer tabloid-ish real live wet dream.

<<<>>>What do you all think about her husband stumping for Warren or Bernie once the primary is sorted out?   Should he stay home too?  I hear he is still popular with a lot of black folks and they would be a good voter base to get active and out to the polls.

no way bernie would ask or let that happen. no way bill clinton would want to stump for bernie. warren, absolutely. 

bernie would laugh and tell bill to take a walk. 

     T.O.D. citing David Frum should be exhibit A in the paradoxical phenomena of the new left's unwitting alliance with the neoconservative movement as a result of their blinding hatred of Trump and his plan to end war.  Through the looking glass!

     Ken...I'm sorry to hear that but I can't say as I'm entirely surprised, I'm sure that's the consensus amongst the hipsters at the doughnut shops, kind of pathetic...thanks for ultimately protecting democracy by your failed attempts to destroy it, you'll be remembered.    Hillary would be proud of your efforts.

     https://www.tulsi2020.com/

I'm in Dubai right now and last night was watching RT tv which is a very interesting channel but is sponsored by the Russian state.  They had a round table discussion and the democratic debates and they were really talking up Tulsi and making her sound like the only sane one of the group.   I have a few hard core Trumpster friends and they also talk positively about Tulsi.   I think Hillary May be in to something here.

I'm in Dubai right now and last night was watching RT tv which is a very interesting channel but is sponsored by the Russian state.  They had a round table discussion and the democratic debates and they were really talking up Tulsi and making her sound like the only sane one of the group.   I have a few hard core Trumpster friends and they also talk positively about Tulsi.   I think Hillary May be in to something here.

     Tulsi on CBS News

     https://youtu.be/JNjzBJWUyWI

     https://youtu.be/HGjky5U64LM

     "Great! Thank you @HillaryClinton . You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain. From the day I announced my candidacy, there has been a concerted campaign to destroy my reputation. We wondered who was behind it and why. Now we know — it was always you, through your proxies and powerful allies in the corporate media and war machine, afraid of the threat I pose. It’s now clear that this primary is between you and me. Don’t cowardly hide behind your proxies. Join the race directly"

    - Tulsi Gabbard 10.18.2019

    *note:  I was not involved in the preparation of this statement, although Tulsi may have gained inspiration from various threads on viva of which I may have contributed similar content 

Tulsi's  'inspiration' is Russian propaganda. Bryen's inspiration is Russian Propaganda.

#MoscowBryen

     So you believe Tulsi is a Russian asset correct?  Fascinating.  Is it because she criticized your beloved queen of warmongers?

>>>      T.O.D. citing David Frum should be exhibit A in the paradoxical phenomena of the new left's unwitting alliance with the neoconservative movement as a result of their blinding hatred of Trump and his plan to end war.  Through the looking glass! <<<
 

 Good thing it can't be as simple as even a neoconservative calling her out for what she is...

btw, here's how you pronounce her name:

                                                                  Tulsi Gabbard

                                                               ( Rush-in-ASS-et )
 

     I haven't really checked the news this morning, is the consensus among the queen of warmongers faithful that Hillary's accusations are to be believed and trumpeted to the masses...are those the marching orders?  If so, we have taken a dramatic turn towards a purely delusional landscape of the "new left".

^you're assuming that everyone is a brainwashed idiot like you.

the centrists just lap up anything HRC says. kinda sad but also hilarious. 

     Disturbing really...Lumber, are you on board with this?  [of course he is]

>>>  l haven't really checked the news this morning <<<
    

  Hillary Clinton is dead, your war is over.

Now tell us the temperature in St. Petersburg, I hear it's lovely there this time of year...
 

>>>>>started wearing flannel shirts after I pioneered that look on the Grateful Dead lot

Lol. 

You're wrong again, B. .I was rockin' the flannel at my first GD show in 1969. 

     People willing to go on record who believe the queen of warmonger's accusations that Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian asset 
 

    1)________
    2)________
    3)________
    4)________
    5)________
    6)________
    7)________
    8)________
    9)________
  10)________

     "You're wrong again, B. .I was rockin' the flannel at my first GD show in 1969." 

     Ok, you got me on that one Surf

when do Obama and Comey and Clinton get arrested for treason?

     People willing to go on record who believe think that Bryen is a Russian asset 
 

    1)________
    2)________
    3)________
    4)________
    5)________
    6)________
    7)________
    8)________
    9)________
  10)________

Fixed.

You don't have to believe what you think.

     Ask Frum

Hillary is a stupid bitch that should shut the fuck up

What did she say that was stupid? Calling out Russian interference in our elections is stupid? or factual? 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/steveandriole/2019/10/11/mueller-was-right-...

Tulsi’s tantrum is stupid, and sounds like Donnie ‘No puppet, no puppet, you’re the puppet!!!’

     This is a truly fascinating litmus test...Nancy, could you please elaborate on the working theory that Tulsi Gabbard is a Manchurian candidate working for Russia as a secret agent?  Thank you, I appreciate it.

you know that’s not my working theory, so kindly fuck off.

facts matter #MoscowBry 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/steveandriole/2019/10/11/mueller-was-right-...

     I'm curious...did you vote for the queen of warmongers?  You don't have to answer that if it's too direct a question, if she were to accept Tulsi's challenge and enter the race would you give some thought to supporting the queen of warmongers this time around?  

Google says it's 5:36 pm in St. Petersburg right now...

 Go get something to eat, huddle up with the rest of your trolls...

    Maybe come back and bring something a liddle' less stale?
 

One thing is for certain.  Hillary just gifted Tulsi more publicity than an entire legion of Russian troll farms could have done.

perhaps, but announcing Tulsi’s 3 party run first isn’t necessarily a bad thing, and it’s clear she’s got Vlad’s backing just like Stein, and Trump before her. Of course Tulsi will claim she’s running 3rd party because of Hillary and the DNC, and get lashy outy at everyone but Vlad.

     Nancy, do you suppose this photograph was taken somewhere in the Black Sea?

green screen, comrade.  Shh, don’t tell anyone. 

I get it, Tulsi is young, attractive, smart, has served her country with honor, and seeks to end senseless and destructive American interventionism overseas. She has a bright future ahead of her.

Hillary, on the other hand, is a washed up old hag that is married to a creepy serial molester, and miraculously managed to lose an election that was clearly rigged in her favor against a reality TV star with no political experience. That said, i hope Hillary can do some good in the world, given her status and wealth. Unfortunately the Clinton Foundation was a huge scam.

(((vibes for Hilldawg)))

Ken nailed it

I liked Tulsi before but now ,,,I Love Tulsi

Nanc you can Leave that Moscow shit to your buddy Mitch

A. Mitch ain't my buddy

B. Tulsi is going to run 3rd party and get tons of support from Vlad, but not enough to topple his puppet Dictator Don

She said she wouldn’t

Im starting to think we got Russian bots here in the zone

Tulsi  said she wouldn't run 3rd party. Bet that changes this week and she'll blame Hillary for her decision (even though we all saw this coming )

nanc - do you have any evidence tulsi is associated with russia besides claims made by clinton that dont seem to have any evidence behind them?

of course the russians meddled in our elections. renee diresta speaks on it here w sam harris - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0CK49d4rxcharris -

its crazy stuff.

the vast majority of the evidence points to the fact that the russians are not trying to support specific causes or political candidates they think will cause harm to america, or that will play ball with russia, they are trying to sow discord and division amongst the american public. they play both sides of almost every issue and orchestrate things so the opposing sides will clash. they play up hot button cultural issues like racism. based on the sort of insanity that diresta speaks about it would not be a stretch of the imagination to think that the russians could use the concept of russian interference itself in their campaign to create division in the american public.

anyone concerned with russian election interference should listen to the podcast linked above or diresta's interview w joe rogan...rogans is much longer and she gets more in depth but i figured harris has more credibility so ive linked that one.

Here you go Daylight. This was before Hillary stating the obvious. She was right about Donnie too

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/us/politics/tuls...

Go post on the "Hillary is a Satanist" thread 

You cant slam a true American Patriot like that

i also dont really understand why the russians would waste time on maintaining a political asset that has no chance of winning the presidency, cant seem to poll above 1%, and currently has a good chance of losing her seat in the house to a dem challenger in 2020? tulsi is my girl, but lets be real here, she has no chance of winning no matter her party affiliation and has a seemingly very narrow appeal to the american public. the right wing folks and trump supporters talking her up right now just like her because she is the dem candidate that seems the most sensible to them - andrew yang is getting some of the same attention, but when it comes down to it she is a dem that supported sanders in 2016 and supports medicare for all...all of those republicans who like her now would vote trump in 2020 regardless of whether the matchup is trump/gabbard or trump/dem candidate/3rd part run by gabbard.

    Does anyone else sense a lot of this nonsense is somehow a series of prepackaged excuses designed to explain Trump winning 2020 in a landslide, and setting up a sort of "permanent impeachment effort" that will continue after the next election?

No 

He's already has publicly indited himself,,several times now.

Our propaganda machine needs to start fucking with the Russians.

Borscht causes impotence.  

Putin ratted out his grandpa at Katyn Forest.

nanc - i think that link basically says the same as what i posted a few posts above this - russians are likely meddling in our elections to cause division amongst americans. that does not mean a candidate is working with them, has bad ideas, or would be bad for the country.

tulsi is a candidate that goes against alot of standard dem talking points and is an obvious choice to sow discord in the party. if i was russia id use tulsi. but that does not mean she is working with them or that they are pushing her because they think her presidency would hurt america or help russia.

they are just trying to cause infighting.

this infighting.

right now.

that you are doing.

^yep, she's no Dana Rohrabacher

I'm confused. Obama told Mitt that the 1980's wanted their foreign policy back, suggesting the cold war was over. Obama was caught on a hot mic offering flexibility with Russian President Medvedev after the election, suggesting a friendly relationship. The Uranium One deal was struck under the Obama regime, which gave control of US uranium production to a Russia-owned company. Bill Clinton received large speaking fees from Russia, long-time Clinton Ally and Campaign Manager John Podesta and his brother Tony had deep Russian business interests.

That was pre-2016.

Now, Russia is the FUCKING DEVIL, and we need to be weary that everyone you meet might be a Russian-bot, politicians are Russian assets, etc.

Smells fishy to me.

But then again, i really enjoy Russia folk music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtzcK4mj6Do

I'm causing the infighting? Lol

no, I'll vote for anyone besides Trump*

*3rd party spoilers promoted by Vlad excluded
 

Schools should teach the dangers of third party.

no, I'll vote for anyone besides Trump*

imo this is one of the biggest problems with american politics. as long the "the other guy" doesnt win, it doesnt matter who it is, just so long as the right letter is next to the presidents name for the next 4 years.

this is why truly great outsider candidates, like bernie sanders, andrew yang, tulsi gabbard or ross perot dont stand a chance - because the most important thing to most american voters is that their team win, and they are easily swayed by promises of minor short term gains for themselves and their family rather than voting for what is truly right and will cause lasting, long term social and structural change.

the "lesser of two evils" psyops is how jackoffs like hillary, biden, and the bushes stay in the saddle. its just unfortunate that the far right happened to be the first group to push a candidate past this psyops, and we are stuck with a shitty situation like trump that is turning some folks off to outsider candidates. if a serious outsider candidate, like sanders on the left or perot on the right, was able to get themselves in there before trump, it could have been a really great thing for this country in the long term.

and nanc i dont think you are causing the infighting - i think there very well could be is some russian bot action happening around tulsi, although maybe just a small handful of times. assuming for the sake of argument that there is russian bot activity happening around tulsi, i dont think they are not doing this because they are in cahoots with tulsi or think tulsi would be good for russia - its obvious she will not win and has minimal influence. they have simply picked the dem candidate with the most polarizing viewpoints and statements and are making her appear like more than she is to cause more seemingly insignificant divisions that over time can have major consequences, and the idea that she is actively a russian asset or could mount a 3rd party candidacy that could be any real threat is part of that IMO

3rd party candidate Spoilers Nader, Perot, Paul, Stein..and about to announce Tulsi. 

 

Just you wait, she will cry about how unfair the DNC is and how the Democratic nominee will be just as bad as Trump..

rinse and repeat

     ...because she's a secret agent for Russia 

Just a useful idiot - like #moscowbry

^Brayin' is an idiot, but he's not particularly useful. 

     I'm sure Hillary made a calculated decision that roughly half the country is brainwashed anyways, they already believe Trump is a Russian agent, why not Tulsi?  Sadly, she probably has a pretty accurate gauge on the gullibility of her base.

Hillary and her supporters have blood on their hands.

BLOOD

Lassen would you vote for Hillary vs Trump now?

>>> One thing is for certain.  Hillary just gifted Tulsi more publicity than an entire legion of Russian troll farms could have done. <<<

Yeah,  you might be right Ken.

Also, there is this...

Braayyyyyyin lols

^Without a doubt,  you are an immoral idiot.

Trump is  a racist and a bigot, but i guess  you don't consider these to be particularly evil.

Since you like cut and pasting articles. here's a couple for you...

An Oral History of Trump’s Bigotry

Trump has assembled a long record of comment on issues involving African Americans as well as Mexicans, Hispanics more broadly, Native Americans, Muslims, Jews, immigrants, women, and people with disabilities. His statements have been reflected in his behavior—from public acts (placing ads calling for the execution of five young black and Latino men accused of rape, who were later shown to be innocent) to private preferences (“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” a former employee of Trump’s Castle, in Atlantic City, New Jersey, told a writer for The New Yorker). Trump emerged as a political force owing to his full-throated embrace of “birtherism,” the false charge that the nation’s first black president, Barack Obama, was not born in the United States. His presidential campaign was fueled by nativist sentiment directed at nonwhite immigrants, and he proposed barring Muslims from entering the country

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-commen...

And there are plenty of racists and bigots supporting Trump as well

Trump and racism: What do the data say?

First, Donald Trump’s support in the 2016 campaign was clearly driven by racism, sexism, and xenophobia. While some observers have explained Trump’s success as a result of economic anxiety, the data demonstrate that anti-immigrant sentiment, racism, and sexism are much more strongly related to support for Trump. 

He did especially well with white people who express sexist views about women and who deny racism exists.

Even more alarmingly, there is a clear correlation between Trump campaign events and incidents of prejudiced violence. FBI data show that since Trump’s election there has been an anomalous spike in hate crimes concentrated in counties where Trump won by larger margins. It was the second-largest uptick in hate crimes in the 25 years for which data are available, second only to the spike after September 11, 2001. Though hate crimes are typically most frequent in the summer, in 2016 they peaked in the fourth quarter (October-December). This new, higher rate of hate crimes continued throughout 2017.

The association between Trump and hate crimes is not limited to the election itself. Another study, based on data collected by the Anti-Defamation League, shows that counties that hosted a Trump campaign rally in 2016 saw hate crime rates more than double compared to similar counties that did not host a rally.

The data analysis discussed above has centered on correlations; they are suggestive of a link between Trump and racist attitudes and behavior, but do not actually demonstrate that one leads to the other. However, there is also causal evidence to point to. In experiments, being exposed to Trump’s rhetoric actually increases expressions of prejudice. In a 2017 survey, researchers randomly exposed some respondents to racist comments by the president, such as:

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems… They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

Other respondents were exposed to a statement by Hillary Clinton condemning prejudiced Trump supporters. Later in the study, the respondents were asked their opinion of various groups, including Mexican people, black people, and young people. Those who had read Trump’s words were more likely to write derogatory things not only about Mexican people, but also about other groups as well.  By contrast, those who were exposed to Clinton’s words were less likely to express offensive views towards Muslims. Words do matter, and data prove it.

Unfortunately, there is little reason to expect this research to have much impact on public attitudes; increasingly, partisanship skews what Americans think qualifies as racist. But there is no excuse for avoiding clear, accurate descriptions of American political dynamics. When the data show that President Trump’s support stems from racist and sexist beliefs, and that his election emboldened Americans to engage in racist behavior, it is the responsibility of social scientists and other political observers to say so.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2019/08/14/trump-and-racism-what-d...

it'll just be great when all these foaming at the mouth russian crazed centrists have to vote bernie in the general to beat the fake populist president. 

lol at listening to anything hrc has to say. 

desperately grasping. 

^lol at listening to anything hrc has to say

that's the thing, Pyramid, I am not sure anyone is interested in what Clinton has to say. Sure she gets press, but i find it difficult to believe that anyone is influenced by her point of view. 

Yo Lumber, this is a thread about Hillary, not Trump. Care to share your thoughts on Hillary's latest bout of insanity?

Thanks man!

^I did in my response to Pyramid, Lassen.

My Trump post was in response to Bag O'Shit's 6:30 am post.

And I'll post what I like, feel free to ignore 

Thanks man.

It seems most rational and sane people have condemned Hillary's latest conspiracy theory.

That gives me hope!

Hooray for the statement trump is a buffoon

Proud of you

is it Evil to support a buffoon destroying our country?

(And why is anyone even  talking about Hillary, that ship has sailed)

deflection from core issues?

Donald Trump is a buffoon.<<<<

The Ukranian guy, Zelensky, is a professional comedian, but still comes across as a statesmen, not some twitter obsessed idiot.  Our reputation on an international level is becoming a mockery.  

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3644

  2. (If Democrat or Democratic leaner) If the Democratic primary for president were being held today, and the candidates were: Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Beto O'Rourke, Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker, Amy Klobuchar, Julian Castro, Tulsi Gabbard, John Delaney, Pete Buttigieg, Andrew Yang, Marianne Williamson, Wayne Messam, Tim Ryan, Michael Bennet, Steve Bullock, Joe Sestak, and Tom Steyer, for whom would you vote?

DEMOCRATS/DEMOCRATIC LEANERS.......................................

     DEMOCRATS/DEMOCRATIC LEANERS.......................................
                            POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY                             WHITE......
                            LIBERAL.....  Mod/                               COLLEGE DEG
                     Tot    Very   Smwht  Cons   Men    Wom    Wht    Blk    Yes    No

Biden                27%    14%    15%    36%    31%    25%    20%    50%    20%    21%
Sanders              11     14     17      6     20      6      7      5      6      8
O'Rourke              2      2      -      3      2      2      2      -      1      4
Harris                4      6      3      3      2      4      3      7      3      3
Warren               30     50     34     19     24     33     34     18     38     29
Booker                2      2      1      2      2      2      2      -      1      3
Klobuchar             2      -      1      4      1      3      4      -      3      4
Castro                1      -      -      1      -      1      1      -      1      -
Gabbard               -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
Delaney               -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
Buttigieg             8      2     12      9      5      9     11      1     13      9
Yang                  2      2      3      2      4      1      3      1      2      4
Williamson            -      1      1      -      -      -      -      -      1      -
Messam                -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
Ryan                  -      1      -      -      -      1      -      2      -      -
Bennet                1      -      -      1      -      1      1      -      1      1
Bullock               -      -      1      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
Sestak                -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
Steyer                2      2      2      1      -      2      3      -      1      5
SMONE ELSE(VOL)       -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
WLDN'T VOTE(VOL)      2      -      -      2      1      2      1      3      -      2
DK/NA                 8      3     10      9      5      9      7     13      7      8
 

   5. (If Democrat or Democratic leaner) Regardless of how you intend to vote in the Democratic primary for president, which candidate do you think - has the best chance of winning against Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election?              

DEMOCRATS/DEMOCRATIC LEANERS.......................................
                            POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY                             WHITE......
                            LIBERAL.....  Mod/                               COLLEGE DEG
                     Tot    Very   Smwht  Cons   Men    Wom    Wht    Blk    Yes    No

Biden                48%    34%    41%    57%    54%    45%    46%    61%    46%    46%
Sanders               7      9      9      6     15      3      4      6      3      5
O'Rourke              1      -      -      1      -      1      1      -      -      2
Harris                1      3      1      -      -      2      2      -      2      2
Warren               21     33     19     18     17     24     25     14     27     21
Booker                1      5      1      -      1      2      1      -      -      2
Klobuchar             -      -      -      1      -      1      1      -      1      -
Castro                -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
Gabbard               -      -      1      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
Delaney               -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
Buttigieg             2      -      5      1      1      2      2      -      3      1
Yang                  -      1      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
Williamson            -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
Messam                -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
Ryan                  -      1      -      -      -      1      -      2      -      -
Bennet                -      -      -      1      -      1      1      -      -      1
Bullock               -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
Sestak                -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
Steyer                1      2      -      1      -      1      1      -      1      1
SMONE ELSE(VOL)       -      -      -      1      -      -      -      -      -      1
 

  PARTYID.....  AGE IN YRS..............    INCOME.............
                     Dem    DemLn  18-34  35-49  50-64  65+    <50k   50-100 100k+

Biden                47%    52%    36%    42%    55%    54%    45%    52%    48%
Sanders               7      7     22      7      2      2     13      4      5
O'Rourke              1      -      -      -      -      2      1      -      -
Harris                1      -      -      -      3      1      2      -      2
Warren               22     17     24     17     21     21     19     23     25
Booker                2      -      3      2      1      -      -      2      2
Klobuchar             -      1      -      -      -      1      -      1      1
Castro                -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
Gabbard               -      1      1      -      -      -      -      -      -
Delaney               -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
Buttigieg             1      3      -      6      -      2      -      5      1
Yang                  -      -      1      -      -      -      -      1      -
Williamson            -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
Messam                -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
Ryan                  -      -      -      2      -      -      1      -      -
Bennet                1      -      -      -      1      1      1      -      -
Bullock               -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
Sestak                -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -      -
Steyer                1      -      -      -      1      2      2      -      -
SMONE ELSE(VOL)       -      1      -      -      1      -      -      1      -
DK/NA                16     18     14     24     15     14     16     12     17
 
 

Does the plan to beat Trump by insulting Democrats seem likely to help defeat Trump?

this thread is a mess.

however nice articulate posts from mr. longballs.

^love Larry

I love the episode where Larry was headed to the Dodgers game and he picked up a prostitute so he could use the car pool lane 

>>> this thread is a mess. <<<
 

It's cool... So is Tulsi

Can someone fill me in on HRC's Hitler like unadulterated evilness. What did she do this time? Facts help...

Hillary is dead like Eva Braun...

Why dig her up?

Did Hillary do you any favors by insisting a Dem primary participant who's numbers are super low, that the dems are shunning like skunk litter, to go third party in a super bitchy way or was I just imagining she did exactly that?

To be frank, I'm pretty sure Gabbard was going to drop off the map and there goes Clinton mean girling a Hawai'ian woman. What the hell was she thinking would happen there? lol. Maybe she doesn't know any Hawai'ian women, they carry Pele in their purse.  Bernie's who I'm voting for and down ticket but holy Jerry Springer.

                                        Now she's Gone
                                           Lord she's gone
                                           Like a steam locomotive
                                           rolling down the track
                                           She's gone
                                           She's gone
                                           and nothing's gonna bring her back
                                           She's gone

hmm.. maybe the DNC is creating it's own opposition. I see lots of trumpers on Tuls's timeline, all saying they won't vote for her, but they respect her service. I guess the bots are waiting for a signal, apparently Hillary got that memo and is on the warpath. Kinda misogynist and racist to assume a woman of color who isn't aligned with the harridan who took a dive in 2016 is a Russian asset, but knock yourselves out . lol.

Anyhow, Bernie 2020 :D

>>>>>She's gone and nothing's gonna bring her back

Dude, she instructs the media on when to bring her back. 

Pretty much. I'm so grossed out. Find photos of anyone running in this current race partying with trump and get back to me. Ew. Clinton has zero room to throw stones.

Tulsi can FO with inviting that trainwreck to join the race officially too! Clinton will just skip the states that matter and take a dive exactly like the last time it mattered to be present.

I'm gonna turtle down here and just say if democrats don't want to be insulted and undermined by Independent voters, maybe not be insufferable tedious dicks to a voting bloc you need on your side to win? I mean your strategy seems to scream disdain and shaming, do you think that works? None of you actually vote when it counts, but you're cunts to people who do.

There was a point where I'd vote blue no matter who but weird steve and TOD are so psychotic and aggressive on the website I'm thoroughly grossed out by die hard dems. Get a life, guys.Seriously. In any given zone situation when Nancy and jr. are on your side you better look around you. Something ain't right.

Asets indeed.

lol

Again...

I voted for bernie in the last primary,

then voted for Hillary in the general.

Bernie isn't running against Hillary and her instructed media this time. 

>>> I mean your strategy seems to scream disdain and shaming, do you think that works? 

Nope.  Never has worked in the history of mankind.  The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Tulsi was spawned from the loins of Satan and married in a red wedding. 

TOD, thanks for being you and remaining calm/rational.  It helps me to remember that dise and her friends were the ones wooed and then swept up by Russian propaganda troll farms. Sad to see they still have their hold today. Hillary, some of us still love you and hope to see you on the View soon with Joy and Whoopi. 

>>> it'll just be great when all these foaming at the mouth russian crazed centrists have to vote bernie in the general to beat the fake populist president. <<<
 

Gabbard Gabbard Hey, Gabbard Gabbard Hey

lol jr. 

thod thinks the 2016 primary was fair.

anything to take down bernie. the msm didn't even cover his rally, the largest of the campaign cycle, massive endorsements, 30k+ people all for the bern. it's going to be great once the voting starts.

and thod, for somebody that wears their "i voted for bernie in 2016" badge, you sure tear the man down w/ the msm talking points, that don't even address the policy issues. weird guy. 

your fake progressive warren will get crushed by trump in 2020. her baggage runs deep, trump eats that shit for breakfast. sad but true.

12 billionaires have donated to warren in the last two years.

shes not on our side. 

she finally admitted she has no plan for M4A tho. that's nice of her.  

youre unhinged, bro  .

tod likes these pictorial things.

Beats the hell outta campaigning.

Thod wants Reagan Democrat solutions.

Any stump supporter = Russian Asset

hey those are much better and more informative pictures tod.

Steve Bannon , Tucker Carlton and David Duke, Faux News all love #MoscowTulsi. As does Vlad and the Russian troll farms. Nobody called her a Russian agent, but clearly she is a Russian  asset. 

When Bernie doesn’t get enough votes to be the Democratic nominee, you can count on #MoscowTulsi and or #MoscowJill to run as third party candidate, and help get Trump re-elected - with the help of the Berniebros and conspiracy nuts. 

Tulsi is just mad because Hillary has her number.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/diplomat-who-raised-alarm-about...

are you ready to vote for bernie in the primary and do your part to alter the shit hole course our nation is on?

or will you cow-tow to the the corporate favored old joe or warren, ushering in trump v.2?

Bernie or bust, eh? 

Anybody else is as bad as Trump. same old Berniebro BS that got Trump elected. Rinse and Repeat. 

Moderates are branding everyone left of them as a Russian asset. 

political sophistication:

slacker: 10

nanc: 1

The lesser of two evils won't get your vote, I get it Comrade. 

look sister, this is for the primary.

california, for the 1st time EVER has a big voice in who the eventual nominee will be.

you have a chance, maybe for your first time, to help shape the discourse and narrative of a national election.

i will vote for anyone in the real election that is not trump. i'll take my lesser evil, sure....great. fine.

>Anybody else is as bad as Trump<

literally, NOBODY has said that.

change your strain.

Bernie isn't the only one capable of changing the discourse, Comrade Turtle. Corporatist Warren? You are a fool if you believe that.  Bernebots repeating the Russian propaganda really suck.

>literally, NOBODY has said that.

"or will you cow-tow to the the corporate favored old joe or warren, ushering in trump v.2?"

You literally did say that. Thanks, but I'll keep my strain. 

look, if you as a californian do your part to nominate biden or warren, YOU will have to live with the consequences of a nationally disliked candidate that will have the same effect as the last cycle. get it?

that's the rinse and repeat.

>Bernie isn't the only one capable of changing the discourse, Comrade Turtle<

well he ALREADY did. 

we are light years ahead of where we were before he started campaigning last election. he single handedly HAS shifted the entire democratic party platform as well as national discourse regarding heath care and other issues that matter to people not insulated in the bay area.....

let's see.....hmmm....i guess only Yang is the other dude with any new ideas.

at least he has some.

can we pick him?

we don't have to worry about russian meddling when our own people will shoot a hole in their own life raft....

Tulsi was yesterdays news but suddenly got 100,000 new twitter followers since Clinton made that comment.  Regardless of what you think of Tulsi, Clinton has only helped her.

98,000 bots?

turtle notice how she can't answer the question. 

will you vote bernie in the primary, or will you vote corporate owned candidate? 

obama gave us trump, the fake populist.. obama 2.0 will deliver another trump term.

bernie is the only candidate that isn't owned by corporate interests. 

12 billionaires have donated to warren past two years. over 30 in the last 6+ years. 

0 billionaires have donated to sanders. they don't donate to politicians they're afraid of. 

bernie will deliver the structural change we desperately need, he's been fighting for it his entire career. 

warren has just now endorsed certain progressives policies since it's now opportunistic to do so, since sanders has changed the discourse like turtle has stated. 

bernie bro is an insult that makes no sense. his base is mostly female. 

<<<>>>Moderates are branding everyone left of them as a Russian asset. 

i think this is a result of msm pushing that since 2016. 

Democrats against open democracy. 

Blaming people for voting. 

Killing the working class.

Leftists are communist. 

Thomocrats

Yes I noticed pyramid....

its ok. Big $ that donates to both sides would prefer trump to a dem over Bernie 

>>>.   california, for the 1st time EVER has a big voice in who the eventual nominee will be.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primaries/democratic/california/

last 4 polls in California have Bernie 3rd.

Each poll has him running 3rd.

Biden & Warren combined get about three times as much support as Bernie (across the four polls).

Harris & Buttigeig are also presumably Democrats, not socialists.

If you want Trump gone, you vote for the winner of the Democratic primary, and you don't spend all of your time attacking the Democratic frontrunners.

Bernie is running 3rd, with roughly 1/3 as much support as Biden/Warren.

Attacking the Democratic party and calling names is exactly what the Russian Trolls did in 2016.

And Tulsi Gabbard did in 2019.

^lol. 

when bernie wins will you be happy? 

as stated, CA having their primary on march 3rd instead of mid june is huge. 

Benie might be the nominee.

If Bernie is running against the Donald, any sane person would vote for the person running against the Donald.

Some zoners (nameless) have stated that they would never vote for Biden against Donald.

I consider these (nameless) people to be either insane, or Russian Trolls, or ...sincere Trumpkins*.  (alternatively, they could just be trolls in general, trying to express viewpoints designed to make people hate other people?)

*Trumpkin:  person who derives pleasure from causing pain in other people who have more education than they do.  

To be a Trumpkin is like  stupidity superpower...kind of like kryptonite when dealing with people with brains.

"Nate Silver hates bernie"    - P-heat

fuck math 

math is hard.

Some zoners (nameless) have stated that they would never vote for Biden against Donald.

thats me, not insane or a russian, and wouldnt vote for trump, but id stay home

i refuse to play the "lesser of two evils" game and will only vote for a candidate i truly believe in and want to see in office due to their own character and policies.

i have never voted in a general presidential election. id vote sanders in the general, but despite pheat's unshakeable belief that ill be able to, im fully expecting to stay home again in 2020

>>>.  To be a Trumpkin is like  stupidity superpower...kind of like kryptonite when dealing with people with brains.

True story: arguing with a Trumpkin about social security.

Trumpkin: the audited Trustee Report for the SS administration is a bunch of lies.

Yes, I gave up.

"Win" for the Trumpkin.

>>>    i have never voted in a general presidential election.

Republicans love you.

Is math THAT hard?

i live in california so jokes on them

So you are on public national social media* announcing you hate the Democrats and won't vote for them,

and you think the joke is on the GOP?

You are amplifying the GOP/Russian Troll message.

Do you somehow fail to understand that?

*I get it, there are only a few zoners, so who cares....but please make sure you go on Facebook and Instagram and trash the democrats, OK, comrade?

I'm not voting for Joe Biden. 

I am one vote and I won't be told to pick between two parties that both suck. 

I live in California. Tell me what the Democrats did here that you want them to do for you. 

^^^ yep

idk i can't even read weird steve posts. i think they're in russian. sheesh. talk about fucking stupid. 

y'all shame me for not voting for a republican like joe biden. ok. 

shame on you for not voting bernie sanders in the 2020 primary. 

bernie has consistently polled better than any other dem in the general against trump. 

math is hard right? 

political revolution  -- how could you be against it?

     Red Scare 2.0

     There will come a time in the not too distant future that many of you will feel very foolish, I doubt you'll be bragging about being taken in by the Jake Tappers and Rachael Maddows of this world in your old age.  [bold prediction]

     https://youtu.be/Ivo2HKdWUzc

Did HRC ever actually mention #notyoutulsi by name?

Or did #notyoutulsi simply recognize herself in the description?

bryen 

trump has more troops in the middle east then when he became president. fact. lots of killing of innocent civilians donald has been doing. 

So you are on public national social media* announcing you hate the Democrats and won't vote for them,

and you think the joke is on the GOP?

well what i meant was that since i live in CA the electoral votes in my state will always go to the dems anyway, so no matter how much the gop loves my apathy it will not help them. 

You are amplifying the GOP/Russian Troll message.

Do you somehow fail to understand that?

 

 

*I get it, there are only a few zoners, so who cares....but please make sure you go on Facebook and Instagram and trash the democrats, OK, comrade?

i dont use facebook or instagram, but if i did, i probably would.

things and viewpoints you disagree with are not automatically aligned with russian trolls. maybe someone out there has fundamental disagreements with the democratic party on issues of economy, foreign policy and social issues and also is not a russian asset?

are you implying that if i do not kowtow to the DNC, fall in line behind their chosen candidate and cast my vote for them, and continue to publicly voice my honestly held opinions that go against the party status quo, i am amplifying the message of a foreign agent working to weaken our democracy and divide the american people?

Asses bray

that's what nanc thinks daylight.

Vote shaming and wagging the shamey finger at folks over who they vote for is lame.  Proselytizing is lame- Bernie bros coming off evangelical in their passion.  

Like Daylight/Knot, I don't believe in the whole "voting the lesser of two evils" thing.  I don't vote for (what I may perceive to be) evil.

^^i think that's what centrists believe. the msm told them to. 

vote shaming is lame. centrists do that constantly. using the term bernie bro is exactly what you speak against above. 

presenting facts and defending lame msm taking points that have nothing to do w/ policy is essential. 

passion for changing the system shouldnt be mistaken for proselytizing. 

Dude you have been on here spewing your points and shitting on everyone who doesn't agree with them 100%.  You sure as hell come off proselytizing, not at all different from the style evangelicals espouse in their bullshit.  

I consume my news via a carefully curated array of podcasts/websites/books so get out of here with your MSM bullshit.  

*Double Post for the knuckleheads*

>> ^^i think that's what centrists believe. the msm told them to.  <<

Minimizing individual's factually based opinion's isn't a good look. How about trying to listen instead of discarding others' opinions. It just might help your case.

^ Exactly.  I agree with the majority of what Pyramid has to say- it's just the manner in which he carries himself on here is representative of our society's breakdown in civil discourse.

Nothing is all good or all evil, so any political choice is a choice of relative evil (or good!).

If you think Trump's opponent is better than Trump, but you don't vote for them because you live in a blue state, you're either lazy or like for others to carry your share of the load.

Presidential elections aren't a chance for you to show your political purity. It's a job interview. Just vore for the best candidate who has a chance to win.

.

Trump has had approximately 150 judges confirmed thus far, including 2 Supreme Court Justices. 

This should be reason enough to vote for his opponent. 

My wife and I voted for Trump opponents. I voted for more liberal policy. 

Nobody is carrying shit for us. 

^^^^

Phil is right.   I never understood why the same level of disdain some people show for folks who vote third party isn't cast at the much larger number of people who don't vote at all.   I don't have the statistics in front of me, but strongly suspect that the number of registered Democratic voters who stayed home in 2016 far exceeded the number of people who voted for the Green Party candidate.   If you are looking for someone to blame for the outcome of an election, the no show registered voters (and eligible voters who don't bother registering at all) should top the list.

To encourage voter participation, Oregon automatically registers people to vote when they get their drivers license and one has to affirmatively opt out if they don't want to be registered to vote.        

Pyramid Heat is obviously a sock. Right, Floops?

Miss floops...

hI JR

Also miss hula hoops fwiw

    Vote for Biden 

https://apple.news/A6RXmbfYaQj6YBZXuFWLkZw

I really don't like any of the Democrats  to be honest

A centrist gives the best chance to get these lunatics out of office

Still way too early but I'm going to be adjusting my thinking

We need to rebalance    But pie in the sky and socialism may not be the way

Just for fun

Personally, I am nowhere near smart enough or educated enough to have a deep grasp on this stuff

i'm thinking ken May have digested some of this 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_ideologies

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard-hillary-cli...

Correction

: Oct. 23, 2019

An earlier version of this article described incorrectly an element of Hillary Clinton's recent comments about Representative Tulsi Gabbard. While Mrs. Clinton said that a Democratic presidential candidate was "the favorite of the Russians," and an aide later confirmed the reference was to Ms. Gabbard, Mrs. Clinton's remark about the “grooming” of a third-party candidate in the 2020 race was in response to a question about the Republicans’ strategy, not about Russian intervention.

 Un-fuck the USA

Wow.  Usually takes The Times 18 months or so to correct any item about a Clinton.

As if there's a big difference between the GOP's agenda and Vlad's at this point 

but I'm glad to see the correction, regardless

i haven't been shitting on anybody's factually based points. 

i've been shitting on the bs msm taking points like bernie's too old, bernie has no plan for..., bernie and warren are the same, etc.

if you don't agree w/ bernie's policy, fine. 

but to make up some bs is another story. 

to say bernie has no plan on how to pay for m4a is straight up bs and a dangerous lie, and has been posted in these threads. 

i mean you have people like thod and weird steve insinuating bernie's a russian whatever. shits crazy. 

>>> i haven't been shitting on anybody's factually based points.