When I transferred into my new work group 3 years ago I was pleasantly surprised to see that 6 out of 7 of us are daily tokers and, at the time, 3 were discussing desire to microdose. My take was kinda like yours Nino.. need to just jump in the water.
..happy to share that 4 of them have dropped hard and had insanely positive experiences.
Nice, Jay. And just to be clear, I'm not dogmatic about anything and if people want to microdose and never take a genuine psychedelic experience, that's their prerogative. The spirit of the molecule in that sense and confers blessings upon all who worship at her altar. And anyways, if you wanted to be dogmatic, I think most people who trip don't really TRIP much in their lives, if at all. For me a genuine trip is a McKenna heroic dose in a non-social environment, dark, meditative music, eye covers, blankets, that kind of thing. Maybe alone or with either a sitter (companion) or if you have the fortune of finding someone who is experienced in these ways, with one other person. But that's just me, it's different to all.
I've also been fortunate enough to take some hefty doses of plant medicines in ceremonies, and that's legit for sure. Again, this is all in my personal ranking system.
If microdosing is going to make people feel happier and more creative, then fuck yeah, I'm all for it. I just wouldn't really qualify it under the same umbrella of "LSD Experimentation" as taking 5 hits of clean L in a private, safe, comfortable setting and finding out what ego death is all about. Or even taking a hit or two at a show and tripping balls, which while not as "intense" or "productive" in MY ESTIMATION, is definitely still tripping, unlike taking a tenth of a hit.
Sorry, the show experience might be more intense in many ways. It's just not necessarily geared towards the more spiritual/psychological deep exploration side of things that I personally enjoy most about psychedelics.
I saw Tool for my birthday last year and intentionally didn't go with anyone because I wanted to take 4 hits. I did take the 4 hits and ultimately was WAY too high to be out in public.
I haven't had a good, powerful experience in a while.. probably a year or so. I'm just so busy being a single Dad and have a lot on my mind right now with Life. Perhaps it's what I need but, I dunno, I'll let it sit in the drawer some more for a different time. Like many of you, I spent so many years out of my mind at shows.. your approach to a trip with eye lids, blankets, music sounds appealing to me at this time. I don't relate to many of the friends/buddies/acquaintances I made when I was out of my mind every weekend on acid and molly through my 20's. I see them out now and it's noticeable how little we have in common. I often think of how the Beatles went to Haight-Ashbury and were just so disillusioned with what that reality entailed- they were surprised to see the hard drugs, moochers and folks just there for the party. I had fun taking drugs every weekend, hooking up with loose women and generally not taking care of myself optimally but I feel like it's caught up to me in a number of ways and I'm dealing with that today.
Javs, you seem to have the Timothy Leary approach to it. I am more the Keysey kind of guy. Eat some acid and be free. If it's spiritual, cool, if it's something else, cool.
Yes Turtle, the 'availability' piece is what I have been wondering about as well. Specifically, the source/quality/purity aspect. Personally, I would not be too anxious at all to take anything these days unless I was VERY sure of its lineage. Funny good that many of us used to score it the lot without blinking an eye. No Mas but it sure was fun while it lasted....and Nothing Lasts.
>>>If microdosing is going to make people feel happier and more creative, then fuck yeah,
From my run ins with this practice which is rampant in the Bay Area tech world is that it is being used more as a replacement for Adderall than for a creativity boost.
And yes the great missile silo drought is completely over. Plentiful and as good as the 80's and 90's anyway.
no need to worry to much about the source or lineage, just get some ehrlichs reagent. it turns purple in the presence of indoles, and the only indoles that are active at low enough doses to fit on blotter are LSD and related ergoloids like LSZ, ALD-52 and 1P-LSD, and the tryptamine 5-MeO-AMT. generally these other ergoloids are very similar or nearly identical in experience to LSD and they all seem to have the same safety profile. 5-MeO-AMT is very rare and the likelihood of finding it on blotter in the lot or something is practically zero.
if you can find 1P-LSD on the darkweb and cant find any LSD in real life, go for the 1P...its apparently one of the ones that is virtually indistinguishable from LSD.
also IME modafinil is far superior to psychedelic microdoses for increased energy and productivity.
I haven't dosed in many years but the last real time was a 5-hit session a few years back, which was real nice. I've been focused on the plants much more, specifically the ones I can grow in my garden (San Pedro). I took a hit like a year ago to listen to show stream and have fun for a bit, and that was nice, too. I really don't have chances to dose or anything anymore these days, and definitely not during Covid times. What I usually do is twice a year I'll rent a little cabin on the beach and just go there by myself, start a little fire in the stove and eat some mushies or san pedro. But I haven't been able to do that in over a year, unfortunately.
I'm all for the Kesey approach as well, but there's a lot of ethical dilemmas that come up there:
a) First off, I am flat out opposed to dosing someone against their will, which, I understand, was pretty rampant in Kesey-verse;
b) You have to wonder what the ethical responsibility is of giving someone an extremely potent drug, even if they are willing, and then just loosening them onto the world. It's like the question of whether gun manufacturers are or are not responsible for gun deaths in the US? Is it the gun or the person who pulls the trigger? Is it the puddle or the person who decided to take it having an unstable psychological make-up and no idea what they're getting into?;
c) I would imagine that statistically there's probably a lot less acid casualties in the Leary approach.
But yeah, I'm not opposed. If you want to imbibe and get your freak on and you can do it without negative consequences for others, than go to it. But that's not a large group of people.
And yeah, modafinil is the shit, great stuff for energy and focus. Daylight, your posts are always awesome. Thanks for all the info! :)
Cool! I am happy to know that there appears to be a good supply out there and that people are finding their way to it as well. I dropped a good dose about 10 yrs ago and had a blast - first time since GD days. It supposedly came from Owsley's son but who knows. I tend to be among the Kesey/GD slant (opposed to that of Leary, dark quiet room, for example) and am great with the imprinted memories of the experiences, more open mind that I have gained from it, and the ego/death realities, but I have no real desire to actually go there anymore. It is good to have your brain and whole being tickled that way though.
Yeah, I'm not for that part of the Keysey way. Just that it doesn't have to be spiritual, it doesn't have to be ritualistic, etc. sometimes I just want to get my freak on, no more or less.
Two summers ago, while camping, I ate a hit for lunch, and spent the afternoon floating on the water hammock. I was laying on my stomach, eyes half in the water and having fun blowing bubbles. Up popped a loon, no more than 5 feet away. We hung out like that, floating around together and chilling in the sun. Then it dove away and was gone. It was a cool-ass moment.
And yeah, modafinil is the shit, great stuff for energy and focus.
i buy them by the thousands. if it didnt increase my job performance and make my life better in every way with absolutely no side effects or downsides whatsoever, id say i have a pretty big problem
>>I might check with my Dr about the modafinil I only occasionally work shift work
Yeah that is what it is meant for. I use it for international travel, but it does have side effects for me, but that is probably because of all the past abuse of those receptors.
A GD friend from southern Oregon crashed at the house while in Portland about a month ago....when he arrived, he said, "oh somewhere in my truck I've got a vial of liquid from Eugene family, I'll leave you some..." .... then he left the next morn without finding the bottle.... wah.
Just read up a little on it. Google says WAY milder than adderall.
it has similar effects on energy and focus as adderall or other amphetamines, but in a way, you dont get "high" from modafinil. there can be a pretty mild mood lift and high, but for the most part its performance enhancing and not recreational.
armodafinil is better than modafinil IME. if anyone is not able to get it from a doc, modaf dot com has been good for me
There was a time when I loved nothing more than to ingest 1,000+ mics, stand under a speaker and spend the next 4 hours unable to talk or see, just become one with the music. There were plenty of times that I was so high and blown away that I couldn't speak for hours after the show, and it was glorious.
Although I can't really remember those shows, I still get the most intense memories of moments in time. For instance, every time I listen to the Terrapin from Hampton 87, there's one point during the jam that I get transported back into the arena. While I'm hearing the music I can see the same hallucinations I saw in that moment. It's pretty awesome.
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on Thursday, August 6, 2020 – 12:25 pm
Yeah, but microdosing doesn't
Yeah, but microdosing doesn't count.
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on Thursday, August 6, 2020 – 12:25 pm
Unless accompanied by
Unless accompanied by periodic tube-cleaning sessions...IMHO
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on Thursday, August 6, 2020 – 12:30 pm
>>>Yeah, but microdosing
>>>Yeah, but microdosing doesn't count.
Gateway usage.
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on Thursday, August 6, 2020 – 12:46 pm
If only this last four years
If only this last four years had just been one mass hallucination.
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on Thursday, August 6, 2020 – 01:06 pm
Jesse Jarnow seems to be
Jesse Jarnow seems to be getting decent pub these days. Making the rounds on a few things....gone are the moelinks days.
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 08:43 am
>>Yeah, but microdosing doesn
>>Yeah, but microdosing doesn't count.
When I transferred into my new work group 3 years ago I was pleasantly surprised to see that 6 out of 7 of us are daily tokers and, at the time, 3 were discussing desire to microdose. My take was kinda like yours Nino.. need to just jump in the water.
..happy to share that 4 of them have dropped hard and had insanely positive experiences.
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 09:22 am
Nice, Jay. And just to be
Nice, Jay. And just to be clear, I'm not dogmatic about anything and if people want to microdose and never take a genuine psychedelic experience, that's their prerogative. The spirit of the molecule in that sense and confers blessings upon all who worship at her altar. And anyways, if you wanted to be dogmatic, I think most people who trip don't really TRIP much in their lives, if at all. For me a genuine trip is a McKenna heroic dose in a non-social environment, dark, meditative music, eye covers, blankets, that kind of thing. Maybe alone or with either a sitter (companion) or if you have the fortune of finding someone who is experienced in these ways, with one other person. But that's just me, it's different to all.
I've also been fortunate enough to take some hefty doses of plant medicines in ceremonies, and that's legit for sure. Again, this is all in my personal ranking system.
If microdosing is going to make people feel happier and more creative, then fuck yeah, I'm all for it. I just wouldn't really qualify it under the same umbrella of "LSD Experimentation" as taking 5 hits of clean L in a private, safe, comfortable setting and finding out what ego death is all about. Or even taking a hit or two at a show and tripping balls, which while not as "intense" or "productive" in MY ESTIMATION, is definitely still tripping, unlike taking a tenth of a hit.
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 09:24 am
Sorry, the show experience
Sorry, the show experience might be more intense in many ways. It's just not necessarily geared towards the more spiritual/psychological deep exploration side of things that I personally enjoy most about psychedelics.
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 10:35 am
I agree, Javs.
I agree, Javs.
I saw Tool for my birthday last year and intentionally didn't go with anyone because I wanted to take 4 hits. I did take the 4 hits and ultimately was WAY too high to be out in public.
I haven't had a good, powerful experience in a while.. probably a year or so. I'm just so busy being a single Dad and have a lot on my mind right now with Life. Perhaps it's what I need but, I dunno, I'll let it sit in the drawer some more for a different time. Like many of you, I spent so many years out of my mind at shows.. your approach to a trip with eye lids, blankets, music sounds appealing to me at this time. I don't relate to many of the friends/buddies/acquaintances I made when I was out of my mind every weekend on acid and molly through my 20's. I see them out now and it's noticeable how little we have in common. I often think of how the Beatles went to Haight-Ashbury and were just so disillusioned with what that reality entailed- they were surprised to see the hard drugs, moochers and folks just there for the party. I had fun taking drugs every weekend, hooking up with loose women and generally not taking care of myself optimally but I feel like it's caught up to me in a number of ways and I'm dealing with that today.
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 10:40 am
Javs, you seem to have the
Javs, you seem to have the Timothy Leary approach to it. I am more the Keysey kind of guy. Eat some acid and be free. If it's spiritual, cool, if it's something else, cool.
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 10:58 am
wouldn't this mean that it is
wouldn't this mean that it is becoming easier to find?
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 11:08 am
What does the spirit say
What does the spirit say about housing?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GDTRFB StrawBud
on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 11:14 am
Yes Turtle, the 'availability
Yes Turtle, the 'availability' piece is what I have been wondering about as well. Specifically, the source/quality/purity aspect. Personally, I would not be too anxious at all to take anything these days unless I was VERY sure of its lineage. Funny good that many of us used to score it the lot without blinking an eye. No Mas but it sure was fun while it lasted....and Nothing Lasts.
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 11:55 am
Covid has not let me slow
Covid has not let me slow down at all. Extra hours work and family (old folks/ children ).
Last Sunday had a chance to relax all day. First time in a while.
Dosed just a hit. I have felt mildly keen this week.
Might micro a few days if needed in the near future.
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 12:14 pm
>>>If microdosing is going to
>>>If microdosing is going to make people feel happier and more creative, then fuck yeah,
From my run ins with this practice which is rampant in the Bay Area tech world is that it is being used more as a replacement for Adderall than for a creativity boost.
And yes the great missile silo drought is completely over. Plentiful and as good as the 80's and 90's anyway.
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 12:21 pm
VERY sure of its lineage<<<<
VERY sure of its lineage<<<<
Yeah, trusted source and all that.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway daylight
on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 12:39 pm
no need to worry to much
no need to worry to much about the source or lineage, just get some ehrlichs reagent. it turns purple in the presence of indoles, and the only indoles that are active at low enough doses to fit on blotter are LSD and related ergoloids like LSZ, ALD-52 and 1P-LSD, and the tryptamine 5-MeO-AMT. generally these other ergoloids are very similar or nearly identical in experience to LSD and they all seem to have the same safety profile. 5-MeO-AMT is very rare and the likelihood of finding it on blotter in the lot or something is practically zero.
if you can find 1P-LSD on the darkweb and cant find any LSD in real life, go for the 1P...its apparently one of the ones that is virtually indistinguishable from LSD.
also IME modafinil is far superior to psychedelic microdoses for increased energy and productivity.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: An organ grinder’s tune Turtle
on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 12:40 pm
came across a sheet...hadn't
came across a sheet at the beginning of the year...hadn't seen one in a long while.
yes, it is really good.
made nelson HI very nice.
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 12:54 pm
5-MeO-AMT will fuck with your
5-MeO-AMT will fuck with your stomach best to add a pepcid, and some people end up with some severe nausea.
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 01:00 pm
I haven't dosed in many years
I haven't dosed in many years but the last real time was a 5-hit session a few years back, which was real nice. I've been focused on the plants much more, specifically the ones I can grow in my garden (San Pedro). I took a hit like a year ago to listen to show stream and have fun for a bit, and that was nice, too. I really don't have chances to dose or anything anymore these days, and definitely not during Covid times. What I usually do is twice a year I'll rent a little cabin on the beach and just go there by myself, start a little fire in the stove and eat some mushies or san pedro. But I haven't been able to do that in over a year, unfortunately.
I'm all for the Kesey approach as well, but there's a lot of ethical dilemmas that come up there:
a) First off, I am flat out opposed to dosing someone against their will, which, I understand, was pretty rampant in Kesey-verse;
b) You have to wonder what the ethical responsibility is of giving someone an extremely potent drug, even if they are willing, and then just loosening them onto the world. It's like the question of whether gun manufacturers are or are not responsible for gun deaths in the US? Is it the gun or the person who pulls the trigger? Is it the puddle or the person who decided to take it having an unstable psychological make-up and no idea what they're getting into?;
c) I would imagine that statistically there's probably a lot less acid casualties in the Leary approach.
But yeah, I'm not opposed. If you want to imbibe and get your freak on and you can do it without negative consequences for others, than go to it. But that's not a large group of people.
And yeah, modafinil is the shit, great stuff for energy and focus. Daylight, your posts are always awesome. Thanks for all the info! :)
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 01:13 pm
Cool! I am happy to know that
Cool! I am happy to know that there appears to be a good supply out there and that people are finding their way to it as well. I dropped a good dose about 10 yrs ago and had a blast - first time since GD days. It supposedly came from Owsley's son but who knows. I tend to be among the Kesey/GD slant (opposed to that of Leary, dark quiet room, for example) and am great with the imprinted memories of the experiences, more open mind that I have gained from it, and the ego/death realities, but I have no real desire to actually go there anymore. It is good to have your brain and whole being tickled that way though.
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 01:18 pm
Yeah, I'm not for that part
Yeah, I'm not for that part of the Keysey way. Just that it doesn't have to be spiritual, it doesn't have to be ritualistic, etc. sometimes I just want to get my freak on, no more or less.
Two summers ago, while camping, I ate a hit for lunch, and spent the afternoon floating on the water hammock. I was laying on my stomach, eyes half in the water and having fun blowing bubbles. Up popped a loon, no more than 5 feet away. We hung out like that, floating around together and chilling in the sun. Then it dove away and was gone. It was a cool-ass moment.
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 01:42 pm
And yeah, modafinil is the
i buy them by the thousands. if it didnt increase my job performance and make my life better in every way with absolutely no side effects or downsides whatsoever, id say i have a pretty big problem
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 02:00 pm
it has pictures of hoffman &
it has pictures of hoffman & einstien, and 2 other characters i am unsure of. smart people though.
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 02:40 pm
I might check with my Dr
I might check with my Dr about the modafinil . I only occasionally work shift work the last two years.
Thanks for the info zoners. Your the best.
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 02:53 pm
Just a chip of the tablet for
Just a chip of the tablet for mico?
Just read up a little on it. Google says WAY milder than adderall.
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 02:57 pm
>>I might check with my Dr
>>I might check with my Dr about the modafinil I only occasionally work shift work
Yeah that is what it is meant for. I use it for international travel, but it does have side effects for me, but that is probably because of all the past abuse of those receptors.
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 03:50 pm
A GD friend from southern
A GD friend from southern Oregon crashed at the house while in Portland about a month ago....when he arrived, he said, "oh somewhere in my truck I've got a vial of liquid from Eugene family, I'll leave you some..." .... then he left the next morn without finding the bottle.... wah.
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 03:55 pm
Just read up a little on it.
it has similar effects on energy and focus as adderall or other amphetamines, but in a way, you dont get "high" from modafinil. there can be a pretty mild mood lift and high, but for the most part its performance enhancing and not recreational.
armodafinil is better than modafinil IME. if anyone is not able to get it from a doc, modaf dot com has been good for me
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on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 05:00 pm
Check into that. Thanks
Check into that. Thanks
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Friday, August 7, 2020 – 06:52 pm
Mod dot af
Mod dot af
Nice store: stimulants, mood enhancers and erection helpers
Party on!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: comic book colors on a violin river... Cumberlyn
on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 – 02:44 pm
Why the hell would anyone
Why the hell would anyone take 4 hits and go to a show...lol !!
I don't get the "gotta get higher than fuck thing"...just take a hit and enjoy the ride, it is always JUST exactly what is supposed to be <3 .
...and you'll remember the show ..;)
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on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 – 03:01 pm
There IS something to be said
There IS something to be said about being high AF, but point taken. I generally enjoy wading in the shallow end at shows.
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on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 – 03:18 pm
It that Is do it today, but.
Not that I'd do it today, but...
There was a time when I loved nothing more than to ingest 1,000+ mics, stand under a speaker and spend the next 4 hours unable to talk or see, just become one with the music. There were plenty of times that I was so high and blown away that I couldn't speak for hours after the show, and it was glorious.
Although I can't really remember those shows, I still get the most intense memories of moments in time. For instance, every time I listen to the Terrapin from Hampton 87, there's one point during the jam that I get transported back into the arena. While I'm hearing the music I can see the same hallucinations I saw in that moment. It's pretty awesome.
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on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 – 03:46 pm
Tim, I think BK's got your
Tim, I think BK's got your flashbacks.
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on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 – 04:09 pm
I definitely don't have his
I definitely don't have his flashbacks. I don't think I could handle them.
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on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 – 11:07 pm