A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7

U of Alaska,   ---   Fairbanks ? They may know a thing or two about earthquakes, not sure I'd trust em on planned demolitions. Isn't it common knowledge at this point, dick cheney personally directed the installation of the charges in the T Towers and 5 and 7 ?

apparently zero hedge finds UAFairbanks credible.

they said they don't know.

And the crime in Dallas 1963

Always amazed me there was soooo much footage of the planes hitting the towers, yet none exists of the Pentagon crash. Don't they have security cameras at that fuckin place ?  Just one blurry still photo, in all of existence ? Not sure I can fall for that one.

Immortal Technique- Bush Knocked Down the Towers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bdr_2IAJWU

I love the immediate post-911 NYC hip hop scene.

Oh they flew em into the towers alright, but that should not have been enough to take em down. Synchronized explosions took em down.

The trouble I have understanding the planned demolition angle is when were the towers rigged for demo and how did no one notice it taking place?  Seems like there would have to be too many people in on it for nothing substantial to leak yet.  I agree that we're not being told everything but could never understand this argument.

There was a lot of tv coverage that day, many crews from many news outlets. In live footage mere minutes after the collapse, we saw a NYFD Sargent covered in dust debris telling his story of just making it into the 2nd tower as he, and only 2 men in his company who got out alive, told of hearing the synchronized explosions that took it down. He was trained, he knew what he heard, it was not each floor collapsing. One every few seconds for 15-20 seconds - then the sounds of the collapse. The poor fellow breaking up over the men/brothers he had just lost. The most horrific interview I heard that day. Fuckin fuck

conspiracy theory stupidity. There really was no moon landing. It was all fake. Lee Harvey Oswald didn’t shoot JFK. John Wilkes Booth didn’t shoot Lincoln. Bunk. 

Anyway you look at it Bin Laden achieved more than he could ever have imagined. What he did to the Russians in Afghanistan for 10 years was jv shit compared to the never ending money pit wars he lured us into.

Stevie Ray Vaughan & Buddy Guy -
https://youtu.be/DbX42nSAOA8

The fact that we invaded Iraq should tell you that the official story was nothing but a smokescreen.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeNrrO26y0E

Jus going for it aren’t ya

<< Robert Mueller's performance to sell the Iraq war >>

I'm pretty sure you mean Colin Powell, his was the mouth that lied to the world at his UN speech,  ruined his career.

Here's the Air Traffic Controller who had the last words with the plane that hit the pentagon (flight 77)...

https://youtu.be/voXdijJz_Dk

The 'molten aluminum' theory about how the towers came down...

https://youtu.be/gui_ATdfHx4

You guys are so fucking stupid. The trade towers were never there to begin with. The whole complex of buildings was an elaborate projection, or hologram if you will, designed to shield the public from what was really going on. The whole site was obviously a covert child sex playground for the world and intergalactic elite. After the operation was moved to the basement of a pizza restaurant in DC, the WTC was no longer needed. Oh, the planes and people that were incinerated that day?? Holograms too..  Its amazing what the space illuminati from seti alpha 5 ( you know them as the jews ) have managed to build....

^^^ picks ball up and goes home

AP amateur video of second plane crashing into WTC...

https://youtu.be/RtYBT4ZhLfI

Air Traffic Control recording as events unfold...

https://youtu.be/R6VwI_H1GOk

...more footage of plane hitting second tower

https://youtu.be/-TMovEm-0LY

AP footage of plane hitting Pentagon...

https://youtu.be/0SL2PzzOiF8

Footage of the first plane hitting WTC...

https://youtu.be/iq6zFSPO9C4

Lassen...Until I just watched that video I just posted I wondered if it was a missle. But that footage kinda looks like a plane hitting it maybe even just before it bouncing/exploding into it. Looks like It was coming in low...really low to the ground.

I ask you do you think the footage of the planes hitting the towers were 'doctoted'?

Doctored?

that last link has the first plane hitting and a couple different angles of the second plane flying into the second tower.

<< Mueller is one of the "big club" members that is more of a public figure these days so pointing him out seemed more relevant >>

Sorry man, but that is some fucked up  rewrite of history to fit some bizarre narrative you're trying to weave. Where you get your material from, savage nation ? There's nobody around today who survived bush's catastrophic Iraq blunder. Nobody. Careers in govt service,  over.

That plane into the Pentagon ? One in a billion angle. No hassim mutherfucker could have pulled that off. 

Lassen...any thoughts on Sandy Hook? lol

Planes loaded with cross country fuel loads,  you bet your ass they can tear into them towers. But not out the other side. 

Isn't the fact that the airplanes did do what you say they didn't proof that they can do what you say they can't?

Is this what you're referring to lassen ?  >>>**

2/11/03 FBI Director Mueller testifies that Secretary Powell has presented evidence of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, and that the FBI's concern is that these may be furnished to terrorists.

Please brother,  if you're gonna do research, do thorough research before you spread bullshit.

>> whether you believe an aircraft whose skin is composed of aluminum is capable of slicing through a steel reinforced building like butter? <<

Mass matters. Momentum matters. Jet fuel matters.

You fire one human body at the exterior of that building at 500mph and see how far it penetrates. Imagine 300 bodies plus the mass of the plane itself, plus highly combustible jet fuel.

I've said it before and I will continue to say it: If 9/11 was orchestrated by some government/big biz or a combo of the two, the amount of reach to pull it off with fake video footage, faulty studies, etc would be mind blowing. It any entity had that sort of power it stands to reason that they would easily eliminate those who have "uncovered" the plan with extreme prejudice. It would be childs play for them to kill each and every one of them and make it look like natural causes, accidents and other things. 

Since these people who "tell the real story" are still with us, that is proof enough for me that their scenario isn't reality. 

It looks like the plane is what got sliced up. What about that Smithsonian 'molten aluminum' theory? I just saw that too. Pretty compelling.

I dont buy the story we were told either if that means anything. But i do believe the Towers were both hit by airplanes. 

but I'm gonna go for it for sure…

Hahaha I knew Lassen was one of the unhinged freaks. Thanks for this thread. 

Isn't the fact that the airplanes did do what you say they didn't proof that they can do what you say they can't?<<<

Do you feel more like you do now than you did when you first got here?

PNAC wanted another Pearl Harbor event so they could enact their devilish plans on their vision of a world order.  I bought the original story of 9/11, but over time, came to have serious doubts about building 7's collapse.  It was in the 3rd tier of buildings, and only had minor fire damage.  All the second tier buildings were completely destroyed by fire and debris, yet none of them fell.  

Several years before 9/11, I was involved in meetings w/ a VP from JP Morgan, we were a start up hi tech company dealing w/ bandwidth issues, and the guy from JP Morgan was trying to figure out how to retrofit the old NYC skyscrapers for internet service (they weren't designed for it).  At that time, internet was becoming a must have for biz, which led to the world trade centers only having ~ 30% occupancy since they weren't designed for internet retrofitting.  

My other doubts were on the Pentagon, where the damage done could not be done by a plane, as the windows where the wings would have impacted weren't even broken...  let alone all the debris, engines, etc, seeming to not exist (as if it was  a missile strike).  The original CNN airing of that strike confirms no tail, no engines, no debris!  (you can see if from my moms apt, and it's even closer to my brothers house, it just didn't fit the narrative.)

Finally, how much money did congress actually spend on the investigation?  15 million?  We spent many times more than that on Benghazi, Hillary's emails, overturning the ACA.  Considering it was the worst attack on the country since Pearl Harbor, you'd think they'd be a bit more thorough.  But they weren't...   

So I have major doubts about the official story...   remember Rumsfeld talking about trillions of dollars that went missing by the Pentagon the day before? 

>> Do you feel more like you do now than you did when you first got here? <<

Of course, silly!

>>  The original CNN airing of that strike confirms no tail, no engines, no debris! <<

Excellent point, except that most plane crashes happen after every effort was made NOT to crash. In these cases it was the exact opposite.

And, there was a ton of debris found and cataloged by part seriel #s etc.....including human DNA of passengers and crew.

But, whatever, right?. 

<<And, there was a ton of debris found and cataloged by part seriel #s etc.....including human DNA of passengers and crew.

But, whatever, right?. >>

Good thing the government's never planted information before....   engines popping off, planes telescoping on impact, and a newbie wannabe pilot being able to fly parallel to the ground at very low elevations on a hot / humid early September day (which dramatically reduces lift, and the ability to do such acrobatic flying).  But alas, a pic is worth a thousand words.  Where's the plane?  

where's the wing? engine?

but, alas, i'm sure all the things said by our right wing overlords at the time had to be true, after all, aren't they the truth tellers?

Hahaha!!! Awesome.

They're coming out of the woodwork, Bucky.

I have major doubts about the official story on Building 7, and the Pentagon...  nothing more, nothing less

It's hard to have a rational dialog when you present facts and the rebuttal is "but, alas, i'm sure all the things said by our right wing overlords at the time had to be true, after all, aren't they the truth tellers"

If don't trust the integrity of an independent investigation then you're too far gone to reason with. Facts matter.

Noodler has valid questions 

Ned is right, facts do matter

Lassen is the only one trying to sell shit here

"Airplanes could not penetrate steel reinforced buildings like WTC 1 & 2. That did not happen."

Like those "facts"?

I haven't read it.

If they stated as fact that an airplane could not penetrate the building (when they obviously did), then no, I don't view the report as reliable or credible.

<<

MAX CLELAND: Well, first of all, let’s look at what Richard Clarke has said. That’s the man in the White House serving four Presidents, three Republicans and one Democrat, the man responsible for monitoring terrorist activity and threats to the United States. He has come out with a scathing indictment of President Bush, saying he has handled the problem terribly because he had an obsession, basically, he and his top advisers, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, with Iraq. Not an obsession with Osama bin Laden and the terrorist cadre that was increasingly being formed in the 1990’s that is responsible, we now know, for the attack on the U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 sailors, or an increasing number of attacks and then ultimately the attack on 9-11. And yet this administration has chosen to focus on Iraq, not al Qaeda. Why? I think that is why the 9-11 commission has been dissed because if you really go into it, you really go into 9-11. You realize that this government had more information at its disposal and, in many ways, failed to understand the threat from al Qaeda, or discounted people like George Tenet who, from 1998 on, said that we were at war with al Qaeda. So, what happens here is that the real information that we did have from the F.B.I. and the C.I.A. about al Qaeda was relatively dissed and then Cheney and others went to the C.I.A. and said, look, give us the information that we really want. Richard Clarke recounts in his book that the 12th of September, after Condoleezza Rice had put Richard Clarke in charge of the emergency response in the situation room. The next day Richard Clarke goes in the situation room and they’re all talking about Iraq, not al Qaeda. Why is that? Why would the President continue to insist without any shred of evidence to connect Saddam Hussein with this attack? And why would Rumsfeld, on the day of the attacks, September 11, as revealed by Bob Woodward’s book “Bush at War” published two years ago, in his handwritten notes, say put it all together, tie it all together? Because they had a predisposition back to 1992 to go to war with Iraq. Why? Because I think the Neocons, the Right-wing in America, felt that president Bush I got beaten primarily because he didn’t take out Saddam Hussein because — so that became the real litmus test for foreign policy for the Neocons and for the Right wing. And once Bush got elected and Cheney was Vice President and Rumsfeld was Secretary of Defense and Wolfowitz was the number two in the Department of Defense, the Cheney-Wolfowitz plan dating from 1992, to take out Saddam Hussein became the operative foreign policy agenda. Item number one. We now know from secretary O’Neill, a Republican, who was Treasury Secretary under George Bush for a while, that within 10 days of the inauguration of President Bush, he was talking about invading Iraq. So, now if we really examine 9-11, we find that this administration, President Bush, has used 9-11 and the tragedy to this country and to the families in this country, the over 3,000 people who were lost, used that as an excuse to go after Saddam Hussein, not a reason to create the war in Iraq. So, they created a war that they were already predisposed to do and 9-11 gave them the excuse. That is why Osama bin Laden is still on the loose. That is why Osama bin Laden and his terrorist cadre are still blowing up people by the hundreds most recently in Spain, which changed that government and now Spain is withdrawing from Iraq.

I mean, we have a killer and killer organization on the loose and this President has chosen another course to pursue because of his own predilections to I guess avenge his father or follow the Neocon path that Saddam Hussein was the real enemy. The real enemy is Al Qaeda and that’s what the 9-11 commission will increasingly find in testimony and they will increasingly find that this government had more information about Al Qaeda from the FBI, dating back to 1994 that planes were planned to be used to hit major targets like big buildings. And if you follow the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, Al Qaeda in many ways was behind that and why — why — they didn’t take their eye off the ball.

But this administration took its eye off the ball and, with a war in Iraq, has got our cream of American forces now bogged down there. We’re losing two soldiers a day and I think it is a disaster.>>

https://www.democracynow.org/2004/3/23/the_white_house_has_played_cover

<<<<when were the towers rigged for demo and how did no one notice it taking place?  Seems like there would have to be too many people in on it for nothing substantial to leak yet.  I agree that we're not being told everything but could never understand this argument.

Look at the Book "Gelitin: The B Thing"

I bought it for $120 a few years after 9/11 and good copies go for $2500-$5000 now.

These "artists" had temporary construction passes in 1999 and lived walled off on from the other artists on the same floor the first plane hit.

The partitions they used to wall themselves off came from cardboard boxes that held thousands of fuses.  Being built after 1973, the WTC had no fuses and their temporary balcony project had no fuses either.

Heres a statement from the book.

"And then the surgical intervention in the World Trade Center in New York City. Everything top secret and illegal of course. In days of conspiratorial work, somewhere on the 148th floor and using building site refuse they had tediously smuggled into the building under their pullovers, they constructed a functioning load-bearing balcony. In a long complicated process they scratched putty from the tall heavy window, which couldn't be opened. Then they extracted it using suction pads, shunted the balcony out, posed on it at 6 in the morning and had themselves photographed there from a helicopter for their nearest and dearest back home. They kept very mum about it all, because if word had crept out about their coup they could have been fined very heavily for sabotaging a national treasure. Even if it was built by the Japanese. Incidentally, as proof that they were there, there is now a piece of old chewing gum stuck to the outside of the building at a dizzy height." (Tex Rubinowitz)"

^That's some interesting doublespeak there^

They had the access, time and opportunity and our own DEA has told us some of them were ordinance experts.

<<<You fire one human body at the exterior of that building at 500mph and see how far it penetrates

Oh Ned.

Love ya buddy, but no.

Physics is hard, huh,? 

Conspiracies like this can't happen in my backyard. 

<<<You fire one human body at the exterior of that building at 500mph and see how far it penetrates

Oh Ned.

Love ya buddy, but no.

Physics is hard, huh,? 

What if you fired the building at the person?  Because the effect is the same according to physics.  Don you still pucture a person penetrating a dteel and concrete structure? 

There is reason we use things like depleted uranium for tips of projectiles rather than aluminum or anything found on a human. If it was just speed, materials wouldnt matter.  An airplane is a hollow aluminum tube with some titanium in the engine.

Something that has always seemed questionable to me was that right after the Pentagon incident,

Government agents rushed to the one public place that had video cameras, a gas station. They immediately took the 

tapes, never to be seen again. 

Why?

What is shown on there that the Government didn't want American citizens to see?

I think asking questions like these is a normal reaction when faced with a disaster as big as this was.

Brother Lassen, I'm trying my best to stay within your argument here. One sec you mention the Alaska report which has some interesting content on the smaller wtc structures . Next sec you're telling us the planes never hit the towers at all. You bet local,  everyone with a functional brain has questions about what happened that day, but I had yet to meet somebody so irrational they don't think it even happened. Well that's a whole new breed of nincompoop. Ain't you ever seen that t-shirt, Don't Believe Half Of What You Think

How did they "wall" themselves off on the 148th floor of a 110 story building? 

Dude you can be taught to fly a jet (not land tho, yer way too not checked out for that)

Atmospheric conditions ? OMG man you are really grasping at thin air. It was THE most perfect of late summer sunny days with no wind and unlimited visibility. 

Duuuuuuuude 

<<<How did they "wall" themselves off on the 148th floor of a 110 story building

Well they obviously made a mistake or were taking hyperbolic liberties, but they were camped out near the top of the tower with the other artists in the program.  Its a well documented thing.

Lets not think about the fact that commercial airplanes cant even travel 500 mph at sea level (NYC) . They are designed to fly that fast at 30,000 ft .....where the air is three times thinner.  They would need to drastically oversize the heavy engines to travel that fast at sea level, which would be wildly inefficient at cruising altitude, since the engines are by far the single heaviest component of the aircraft.

did the plane(s) actually hit the buildings fellas?

are you sayin they did not?

i am open.

Turtle I personally can't speak for the first plane but did see the second from about 40 blocks away. It happened and it was frightening.  

The Meuller report cost $25 million. 

How much did you kick in Slack?

Not enough. Trump is still President and he gets to run again. He's probably going to win California if he gets rid of the homeless. 

According to Mark Meadows, GOP needs to flip 18 seats to take back the majority.

He sees 12 that are “easy” but the last 6 depend on California.

<< what took em down ras,,  lets hear it >>

The planes hit the towers, that's a fact. Possibly allowed to by intent or negligence, thats for us to hash out.  That seemed plenty enough to take the towers down to me as I saw it live. But then I saw the firemans interview and heard about synchronized explosions,  and it got me to thinkin. Who had the most to gain from this tragedy ? cheney's halliburton raked in trillions, stole billions outright in disappearing money. 1 + 1 = 2 bush and cheney co conspirators. Thats what I think but I'm a nut,  I don't think we'll ever know for sure in our lifetime.  Very few people know all of what occurred that day and none of em are talkin

I like a conspiracy theory here and there but always feel like punching 9/11 theorists square in the face. 

Lassen are you saying the footage of the planes hitting the toweres were 'doctored'? It looks pretty real. And what about the Air Traffic Controllers recorded account of the events.  Was that just acting? 

The firemans reaction to the low flying jet over the city just prior to hitting the first tower doesn't look like its 'staged'.  

While this doesn't explain the towers coming down,  it's pretty clear they were hit by jet airplanes.

^^ passionate about gd tours like nobody ever and now this?

I wanna know if you can get to that?

That plane (missile) that hit the pentagon didn't even knock down the light poles with its "wings".  Bldg 7 was not hit by a plane and it came down exactly like the towers. From charges set( you can see them going off in the video).

https://www.ae911truth.org

Personally, I believe it was a joint effort between real terrorists with help/oversight from some in the US Govt. I believe all 3 buildings were rigged for controlled demolition.

I am some what confused why some here appear to be unduly concerned that their particular belief is not accepted by all, but to each his own.

^^ solid

None of us know exactly what happened that day, but most of us know we were fed a lot of bullshit.<<< YES

Hoping for answers and accountability some day.. probably wishful thinking, but i'm an optimist!<<< Me too. Lot's of other stuff too. My theory is too keep your energy high and let things happen. I realized some years back how screwed up some things are and it bothered me...but that wasn't doing me, the people I love, or the world any good.

> I like a conspiracy theory here and there but always feel like punching 9/11 theorists square in the face. 

Along with Holocaust deniers, Climate Change Deniers, Anti-Vaxxers and Evangelists.

< <  always feel like punching 9/11 theorists square in the face. >>

I tend to ignore simpletons who have no opinion of their own, swallowing only the pig slop their govt feeds em

<< joint effort between real terrorists >>

Our buddies the Saudis

<< some in the US Govt >> 

cheney n bushy n condi n rummy n wolfy

God Damm we fucking suck.  Amerikans are the only assholes on the planet who think We're #1.  Everybody else thinks, how pathetic, and they're right. And ya think we'd learn, but nooooooooo we elect another pos no moral compass repub. Dumb All Over are amerikans. Yeah good dialog my brothers + sisters. A very good nite to all,  and I'll leave you with my own spiritual mantra -- 

FUCK ALL REPUBLICANS with a phone pole

Sideways

To be fair, Ana Navarro still identifies as a Republican (why?!!) and is decent. Please don’t fuck her sideways. 

Not a big fan of Ana, she refused to speak truth to power till the shitgibbon was elected. She'll go right back to being the mouthpiece of shitsville after he's gone.

Footage of the damaged lightpoles from wings of the plane...

http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/2006/12/light-poles.html?m=1

Unedited footage of plane hitting Pentagon...

https://youtu.be/BXgtsavot5A

Footage of Pentagon debris...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lk-fwt3jIyc

Footage of damaged Pentagon...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rl_g7JDDC4

Air Traffic Controller recordings during events at WTC...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VL3zQClp-sE

G bump

but...

University of Alaska at Fairbanks

That shows some damaged poles on the ground somewhere. In the original videos of the site, the light poles were all still standing.  Believe what you will.

The whole thing was fishy as hell and reeked like rotten fish from the get-go. When it happened and you could just feel the nationalist fervor bubbling under the skins of Americans everywhere, liberal, conservative, everyone was out for blood. As a foreigner in the country with fairly radical views it was at that point where I started to feel uncomfortable in the US for the first time in my life. There was no room for argument against the nationalist agenda at that point. And then it all became so obviously a farce, as Bush Co. started moving the pieces into place to take over Iraq and Afghanistan, the ties between Bin Laden and the CIA and the Bush family specifically, Halliburton, and on and on. But not only that: 9/11 ushered in the era of military technology taking a radical step forward and oozing down into the streets of cities in the hands of local law enforcement. When you added up the billions and billions that went into mercenaries, rebuilding companies, military hardware, etc, you realize that you're facing a beast too large to even name. And the burning towers, like some dusty tarot card, blew open the doors for the new era of forgotten privacy. People were outraged when the Patriot Act came out. Now, we don't even think it's weird that so much of our own info is available so freely to so many.

The problem is, you peek behind the curtain and see the forces that are at play behind the masks of democracy and governments everywhere and it's pretty scary. If something like 9/11 could be 'pulled off' then that forces us to question everything before it and everything since. Surely, forces that powerful weren't born overnight?

So many questions and so many inconsistencies from 9/11. The passport on the ground is my personal favorite. Such an obvious little piece of stage-prop for the media and yet, when I walked out of my bubble of questioning, critical friends, people seemed to have eaten it up. But ultimately, after chewing over all of it, as much of the information as I've been able to read without getting dizzy over the years, my conclusion comes down 51% on the side of conspiracy. Why? Because the whole damn thing is way too weird, with way too many inconsistencies and opened the gates for an entirely new economic overhaul to occur which benefited the exact people who had laid it all out that exact way already in the PNAC. Who were they serving though? Who are the masters of the masters?

What Javs says. Couldn't have said it better. Appreciate the well written summary!

Money, Greed, and Power drive bad behavior.

Those are the poles, mark, according to that article.  Interesting read. Also watching the unedited Pentagon video you can see what appears to be a silver fuselage coming in fast prior to the explosion. 

For me I was always the most suspicious of the Flight 93 impact site in Pennsylvania.

I don't think that was an airliner hitting the Pentagon. That said, what happened to that plane and those passengers?

...well there are eyewitness accounts of the plane taking out lightpoles and clipping trees too. Photos as well. Not to mention the interview with the Air Traffic Controller that had last contact with Flight 77 and the recorded audio from the ATC Tower that I posted above.

https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/10/07/bringing-closure-to-the-...

more evidence of a plane hitting Pentagon...

http://www.9-11tv.org/the-pentagon-plane-puzzle/85-pentagon-area-surveil...

Act today like it was Sept. 12th...

Fine to ask questions, just dont ever forget....

Prayers and thoughts to all our zoners who lost loved ones that day

Lassen, it is fact there was a AA77 that day. There are real human stories of loss. You shit on their souls with this crap.

Do you not believe there wasn't a AA77 that day? If not what happened to the plane, crew and passengers? If you answer "I don't have all the answers, man, just questions..." I will punch myself in the face.

If They had to dispose of the plane/crew/passengers, and make it look like it crashed into the Pentagon, why wouldn't they just, you know, crash it into the Pentagon?

Or, do you think all of those grieving families at all the funerals were just paid actors? Do you realize how ridiculous that is?

“Let’s roll”

This part?

"Anyone besides me have a hard time believing that was American Airlines Flight 77 that hit the building? A very fast projectile or drone, maybe, but i'm not buying it was a 757."

Your theory is bat-shit crazy. Where are the passengers/crew/plane?

>> Why the fuck do i have to tell you where the passengers and crew are? Since when is that my responsibility? LOL <<

That's how debate works. Back your shit up.

Pilots, engineers, law enforcement, intelligence agencies all had their orderly world turned upside-down that day. I can understand that some feel the need to have a boogie-man to blame (Them!). I am open to the Cheney & Co maybe letting a potential terrorist act happen to get support for action in Iraq, but the scope of the conspiracy crap being put out there is too vast to be left a secret. Too many "actors". 

News agencies a journalists dream of being able to break the big story like Woodward/Bernstein. If there was any meat to this stuff it would have been discovered a long time ago. 

18 years is a long time.  9/11 just got old enough to enlist.

Yea, I'm not the one spewing bullshit tin-foil clad theories.

I said I'm open to theories outside the "official" story. I also am a critical thinker and the plausibility of what you've suggested regarding AA77 is dwarfed by the the plausibility of the official story.

Looks like the nose of a plane skidding/bouncing into it then exploding to me. It was supposedly going over 500 mph. Plus the Air Traffic Controller/flight 77 recounting her last words with the plane and the ATC recording...

https://youtu.be/voXdijJz_Dk

18 years is a long time.  9/11 just got old enough to enlist.<<

Wow.  Hope it doesn't enlist to "defend America", and then get it's dick shot off in some innocent country.

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Howard

 HowardH1 on Thursday, September 12, 2019 – 10:51 am 

conspiracy theory stupidity. There really was no moon landing. It was all fake. Lee Harvey Oswald didn’t shoot JFK. John Wilkes Booth didn’t shoot Lincoln. Bunk. 

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Lassen

 No Treble No Trouble on Thursday, September 12, 2019 – 10:54 am 

^ Howard is incapable of speaking coherently of the events of 9-11, so throws out stupid tropes about conspriacy theories. 

That’s Bullshit. There’s no point is debating nonsense or the idiots that subscribe to stupidity. 

So what's your contribution to the conversation when 9-11 or any other epic world altering topic comes up ? Hows the weather outside ? To discuss is the best way to share ideas, and sometimes gain knowledge. To ignore or just plain disregard as bullshit is a kind of juvenile ignorance we don't see a lot of around here. Stick around, but try to be a bit more open minded, you might just get surprised whats out there to go 'woah' about

That’s Let’s debate something that is worth debating. 9/11 revisionist conspiracy theorists are proponents of fiction. Subscribers to these silly conspiracy theories, InfoWars BS are wasting time. And if you and others want to entertain crazy Q conspiracy jibberish, go for it. None of that changes the facts and it’s a waste of time for the gullible, the simple minded, the ignorant.... That’s not close minded. That’s just accepting simple fact. 

No info wars here my friend, or online conspiracy websites visited ever, this is the only place I've discussed this stuff in years. And what happened (FDNY Sarg telling of hearing explosive charges go off in synchronicity) was not fiction. You're statement proves your inability to want to participate in dialog that is uncomfortable to you. That just bolsters my opinion of you from my last post. Yer obviously not quite ready for prime time. Try another thread,  maybe one a bit more to your liking. Hell there's plenty of threads here that hardly require any thought at all.

I don’t agree, but you go ahead and have as much fun as you like. 

Whats interesting to me about these threads (that weve beaten with a dead horse over the years, here and on the zone..) is that there are decidely more people in the "we've been lied to camp" in this one than have expressed doubt in other ones.  The needle is moving, except for Ned, who tried telling me there arent monsters under the bed as I went on about Jeffrey Epstein and lolita Island  two and a half years ago, explaining that pizzagate was a straw man to discredit the problem of rampant pedophilia among the elite.

We know how that turned out.

Good call on scumbag j epstein 

Makes you wonder just exactly what the defect is that keeps some people from understanding the obvious. 

yes, Yes, YES...being logical and reasonable is a defect.

I want answers from You People, not questions. I want to hear your solid theories, not thin tangents based on some twist on what a BBC reporter said, or bent light poles. You have endless documentation from eyewitnesses to real human loss to evidence found on site, yet, you want to say light poles weren't bent? Hardly worth a response.

What do you mean, You People ?

We're not the experts bro. I was not in the towers, at the pentagon or in the pa field. All a few of us are saying is that we believe there's more to the events of 9-11 than the official govt version of what went down. Lots of angles to look at of the fucking pearl harbor of our day. I love talkin important shit with folks who have any intelligent views to bring to the table. Makes for fun list play time. But free open active discussion on epic events ain't for everybody. Just those with active inquisitive minds. 

140 posts for this nonsense and none for Stuart Duncan tells you all you need to know about the contemporary Zone.

Feelin Alright bro Lassen. Good to see you in there takin yer swings.

Too bad you bastards don't live closer, I do a spot on Henry Kissinger impersonation

Sorry to say that master of war scumbag prick lives not far from me in Kent Ct.  I can't believe that -- should have been convicted of war crimes fuck--  is still alive.

Only the good die young 

Building 7 could not have possibly fell from office fires. Neither an earthquake. They were built to withstand both of those occurrences. No steel framed structures ever fell before that day and none have fallen since. If you think seven fell from office fires then ask an architect and they will tell you that you are an idiot. The fact that the initial report was accepted is beyond obstinate and a complete lack of leadership and deceitfulness by our government. I don’t have any conspiracy theories for you just the fact that there isn’t one architect  in the world who believes accepts that report. 

I agree 100% about the 911 commission.

The GOP spent way more money & time investingating Benghazi (4 dead)

than 911 (3000+ dead plus a $6 trillion war, plus over 1 million soldiers on permanent disability.

9-11 sure helped oil prices, can't imagine who would have wanted that.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DCOILWTICO/

^^^^

Q:  what happened in 2008?

A:  Fall of Lehman/Merrill Lynch/Bear Stearns/Wachovia/Washington Mutual/Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac/General Motors etc...the financial crisis.

Q: what happened in 2015?

A:  Obama made a deal with Iran.

Q: who are the world's largest oil producers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production

And in other news, Fracking Earthquakes Crushing Oklahoma