Stop Saying Columbus 'Discovered' the Americas—It Erases Indigenous History

words like "discovery" and "contact" are often used by western, european culture to refer to things in their relationship to western culture/recorded history/western science. it does not always refer to being the first human being to find or see something, but the first person to bring it to the attention of western culture and become a part of our recorded history.

pretty sure we have better things to worry about than miniscule linguistic issues.

 >>>>>Stop Saying Columbus 'Discovered' the Americas

I never do.

"In Fourteen Hundred and Ninety-Two, Columbus got us a day off school."

I imagine the indigenous people who were wiped out by the intruding white man were there because they had wiped out the indegenousier people who were there before them.

And so on, and so on...

Take a really deep breath and get back to your life.  If you have one outside of stirring the shit pot that is.

Excuse me. He has a point. 

I don't know why we still honor this guy with a National holiday.

>> Take a really deep breath and get back to your life.  If you have one outside of stirring the shit pot that is.

No matter "stirrer" or "shit pot" YOU'RE still in it Thom.

<<<  If you have one outside of stirring the shit pot that is

you typed that with a straight face, didnt you?

If you have one outside of stirring the shit pot that is<<<

... from the zoner who uses a canoe paddle to stir the pot

For realz. How do folks feel about Leif Erikson day?

I don't know about "celebrating" the guy, but Columbus' first voyage to the Caribbean in 1492 was arguably the most pivotal event in human history.   The resulting collision of peoples who had been separated since the dawn of humanity and had developed great civilizations entirely independently of each other resulted in an unprecedented exchange of people, animals, and things.   The Columbian exchange brought shit like pumpkins, potatoes, chocolate, chili peppers, and syphilis to Europe and sent stuff like chickens, guns, Catholicism, horses, smallpox, apples, and alcohol the Americas.  The "discovery" fundamentally altered the balance of power in Europe, depopulated whole swaths of the Americas, ushered in the African slave trade, and ultimately led to the creation of Latin American and the United States.    

While "celebrating" this important point in history might be questionable, it is certainly worthy of some type of commemoration and calling it "Indigenous Peoples Day" seems fair enough.

>>>>How do folks feel about Leif Erikson day?

Of course, we all know that Columbus didn't "discover" America.   That honor goes to the Vikings, but their"discovery" was soon relegated to old Norse stories and did not result in the massive exchange of people, animals, and things like Columbus' voyages did.

Friedrich Engels, who with Marx authored the Communist Manifesto, lambasted Columbus as the godfather of modern capitalism. According to Engels, Columbus’s westward journeys unleashed the era of “big commerce,” the world market, and the birth of the bourgeoisie. “The discovery of America was connected with the advent of machinery,” he wrote in 1847, “and with that the struggle became necessary which we are conducting today, the struggle of the propertyless against the property owners.”

Furthermore.....

In the 1920s, the Ku Klux Klan promoted negative characterizations of Columbus in order to vilify Catholics and immigrants, many of whom celebrated Columbus not only as a source of ethnic and religious pridebut also as a symbol of the free and diverse society that resulted from the European presence here. The Klan tried to prevent the erection of monuments to the Great Navigator, burned crosses in opposition to efforts to honor him, and argued that commemorations of his voyage were part of a papal plot. Rather than honor a Catholic explorer from the Mediterranean, Klansmen proposed honoring the Norseman Leif Eriksson as discoverer of the New World and a symbol of white pride.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/452409/christopher-columbus-day-le...

So I'm curious who you feel more comfortable supoorting.  Marxist/Leninists that murdered over 100 million innocent people between 1917 and 1992, or White Supremicists?

Why do we have to support either one?

>you typed that with a straight face, didnt you?

lol

the guy is amazing.

Thom's entire schtick on this site has become a low energy shuck and jive for his god emperor while spouting nonsequitor whataboutisms. 

Good little trumpkin. Good boy, Thom.

Hey, Thom, it is utter stupidity to imply that criticism of Columbus and Columbus Day indicates support for either Marxists or white supremacists.  Well, maybe you're just an asshole.

Amerigo Vespucci seems mostly overlooked.

I thought it was the Vikings & Leif Ericson. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leif_Erikson - ...that Norsemen had reached America about 500 years before Christopher Columbus. 

Thom, what is it about a conservative political ideology that causes one to support Columbus?

I would argue there isn't anything substantial, but simply a partisan reflexive response to "snowflakes"

Does it become tiresome to always be living one's life reflexively in such a way?

>>>>>what is it about a conservative political ideology that causes one to support Columbus?

Because he came to a foreign country and kicked the asses of the brown people who lived there with his superior technology?

It is fashionable to trash the civilization that created Columbus as destructive and pathological, but those who do so often have never experienced the alternative first-hand or at length, and assume that their own prosperity, security, and protected freedoms are birthrights rather than fragilities that exist largely only in the West and Westernized Asia or emanate only from the Western anomalies of self-criticism, secular rationalism, unfettered inquiry, free expression, constitutional government, free-market economics, private property and religious tolerance.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/452458/columbus-day-melodrama-trage...

>>>>>So I'm curious who you feel more comfortable supoorting

I'm hoping you're just drunk and not really this dumb

That guy that references Sopranos episodes must by sleeping in.

>> those who do so often have never experienced the alternative

Are you referring to the alternative that Columbus' expeditions pathologically destroyed?

>> That guy that references Sopranos episodes must by sleeping in.

Lol! I agree, would love to see some of Bucky Badger's thoughts on the subject. Love that dude.

>Read more at:http://someoneelsesthoughtsandopinions.com<<

Told my father about the Sopranos Columbus Parade episode today. We are heading into the city shortly.

Funny, the NYC Mayor wasn't invited to the Bronx Columbus Day Parade this weekend, because the City is tying to take down a statue of Christopher Columbus - Google the story.

Sorry if I was being repetitive, I didn't read the whole thread before posting.

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the spanish inquisition tortured people to death.

that is the culture Columbus represented in his quest for gold and slaves.

(((European  Syphilis)))