People should be aware when reading the WaPo that Jeff Bezos of Amazon bought the paper for $250 million and also he also has a $600 million with the CIA.
It doesnt make them Fake News, but that's a conflict of interest that might color how the news gets reported as he tries to keep one of his biggest clients happy.
here's a pretty fair panel discussion of the concerns from Amy Goodman on Democracy now.
"How The Washington Post’s New Owner Aided the CIA, Blocked WikiLeaks & Decimated the Book Industry"
"Monopoly newspapers, especially The Washington Post in the nation’s capital, while it might not be a commercially viable undertaking, it still has tremendous political power," says Robert McChesney, co-founder of Free Press. "What we have is a plaything for these billionaires that they can then use aggressively to promote their own politics."
What amazes me is that the politics - Minkeys actually believe that Krap is as valid as "As The World Turns" or "Days Of Our Lives" ... or stuff like that.
Fucj, learn a new hobby. Go golf, ride a Bike, take up knitting, volunteer at the homeless shelter, get a new Dog.
Obsessing over politics is more detrimental than hanging around Burger King.
Not a westie, but I am a patriot. My sigh is a general all-purpose sigh about the fact that some think that secession is in any manner a viable alternative. The bigger sigh on my part is seeing so many people digging in with their "views" to the point of considering it a sign of weakness to compromise on any position; right or wrong. Taking this phenomenon further out in time, it appears to me that the only possible end is armed conflict.
CA could make it on its own. It would hurt the rest of the nation but states rights and all that.
Oh and there seem to be a few voices here that just want to be antagonistic, no matter the topic or thread. Group says green, select few say purple. Like they just want to get noticed and rile people up. Thats weird. Whats that called again?
From His Home in Russia, #Calexit Leader Plots California Secession
A former right-wing activist from Buffalo, New York, Marinelli first moved to Russia almost a decade ago. He studied at St. Petersburg State University, the alma mater of Russian President Vladimir Putin. He returned to the United States to campaign against LGBTQ rights as part of the National Organization for Marriage
Marinelli then returned to Russia. He would marry a Russian citizen, and the couple moved to San Diego, where Marinelli launched a political career based on a platform of California secession.
“I immigrated to California, and I consider myself to be a Californian,” Marinelli says from his apartment in Yekaterinburg, a city of about 1.4 million just east of the Ural Mountains and about 1,000 miles from Moscow.
In fact, Marinelli’s movement was covered almost exclusively in outlets funded by the Russian government and Communist Party before picking up more mainstream attention in the past few months. The ascendancy of his secessionist organization says just as much about the state of media as it does about the Russian government’s ability to sway U.S. public opinion.
Despite these significant obstacles for the group — and with little, if any, grass-roots support for the campaign — Russian media outlets covered Marinelli’s effort in earnest. Several times, the Communist Party’s Pravda newspaper covered the Yes California campaign, including this September, when he met with other secessionists at a conference sponsored by the Russian government.
i have two theories ... trump will get north korea to nuke the west coast , killing liberals off.... or a succession movement would allow him in CA with martial law and private armies to kill liberals
A state with a failing infrastructure, billions of debt on the horizon because of public union retirement, and a downward spiral in average intelligence wants to break off?
Good riddance.
Shocking rain damage is wakeup call to fix ailing roads, infrastructure, experts say.
Thom, May I ask why you like CA when referring to living there for a spell and seeing shows, then piss on it when you deem it "lefty" . Thats convenient. Would republicans consider it states rights?
Maybe go buy an island and run things your way, since you have all the answers. "good riddance"
>billions of debt on the horizon because of public union retirement,<
lol, like yours?
you know, people put $ and a portion of THEIR checks go into said retirement funds? every month and are FORCED to basically GAMBLE it into the CROOKED fucking stock market led by your (THOM), "conservative" banker elites.
i like when you talk music Thom but these black/white world views of Liberal/Left whatever have rotted your brain from critical thinking.
Good luck California, I join Aiq in the underground thing. I have the google and am happy to point/aid anyone in the correct direction with the google.
What sort of military will the nation of California have?
Would the US come to its defense if the nation of California was attacked by Russia?
Would the Nation of California be a member of NATO?
Good questions to ask. Since California would be a new sovereign nation, those issues would have to be negotiated by new treaties, so there is no right answer at this point of time. Chances are that the major US military bases in state would be treated similarly to Guantánamo Bay and California would only have possession of those bases via negotiation or armed conflict. I'm sure the Colorado River flow would also need to be addressed. There would be nothing to stop the US from storing the water that flow into California and making the river bed a dry gully in that state.
WOW, CA is slightly less than 1.00 in federal tax dollars received / federal tax dollars taxes. I assumed they would be huge contributors given they are such a wealthy state.
> That fraction less than a dollar is probably a considerable sum considering California's population.
The federal government provides California with about $368 billion a year and most of it "goes to health or retirement benefits — Social Security, Medicare and money for low-income residents’ health care through the Medi-Cal program."
>> That doesn't bode well for red states, who pay the least but get the most.
>> Cali pays in about what it gets which is good.
Aiq,
I agree with all your points. I expected that CA was a huge contributor to poorer states via federal tax revenue. But they are slightly below break even, so them leaving doesn't hurt poor states.
>>>>>I was counting only federal income taxes, not payroll taxes (which are tied to defined benefits).
And you're way better at this stuff then me, but I'm curious using your numbers what the actual dollar amount lost to the Federal govt would be. How much does that fraction of a dollar add up to?
I don't think it has to balance. The 13 states don't have to float the hole. Theoretically all states could get more than they receive and we just run federal deficits.
Good riddance to Nestle and their water grubbing greed.
And the difference in what we give and what we get back pays for all those states above that get back more than they give. Without us, the rest of you would have to pay alot more taxes. But that is your problem. We just want out.
This is totally ridiculous. I have lived in San Francisco for 22 years. The media outside of the state are giving this waaaaay more coverage than any here. Come on
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Vermont's constitution allows
Vermont's constitution allows us to secede from the Union, and we have a healthy little seccessionist movement.
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Will either of you accept
ski, are you a westy now?
Will either of you accept undocumented immigrants?
Might just stay here and be part of the underground.
When you make a Molotov add powdered laundry soap. Sort of like home made napalm. Sticks.
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Wonder how they'd "manage"
Wonder how they'd "manage" what is currently USFS land inside CA borders?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: aiq
Of course, my comment about
Of course, my comment about the boom boom was sarcastic or I didn't mean it.
Like Trump.
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The US government will never
The US government will never allow California to secede.
Vermont may be allowed to leave
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People should be aware when
People should be aware when reading the WaPo that Jeff Bezos of Amazon bought the paper for $250 million and also he also has a $600 million with the CIA.
It doesnt make them Fake News, but that's a conflict of interest that might color how the news gets reported as he tries to keep one of his biggest clients happy.
here's a pretty fair panel discussion of the concerns from Amy Goodman on Democracy now.
"How The Washington Post’s New Owner Aided the CIA, Blocked WikiLeaks & Decimated the Book Industry"
http://m.democracynow.org/stories/13816
"Monopoly newspapers, especially The Washington Post in the nation’s capital, while it might not be a commercially viable undertaking, it still has tremendous political power," says Robert McChesney, co-founder of Free Press. "What we have is a plaything for these billionaires that they can then use aggressively to promote their own politics."
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sycamore Slough
What amazes me is that the
What amazes me is that the politics - Minkeys actually believe that Krap is as valid as "As The World Turns" or "Days Of Our Lives" ... or stuff like that.
Fucj, learn a new hobby. Go golf, ride a Bike, take up knitting, volunteer at the homeless shelter, get a new Dog.
Obsessing over politics is more detrimental than hanging around Burger King.
Unhealthy.
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The State of Jefferson people
The State of Jefferson people tried to split CA into 2 states, big fail.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_(proposed_Pacific_state)
I still see the Flags and bill boards around here, most of the ones around here are just angry Tea Party people with guns.
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40 million residents
40 million residents
39,000 likes on FB
53 chapters
maybe 15 per showing up
long way to go
spacex could be on Mars before this happens
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Not a westie, but I am a
Not a westie, but I am a patriot. My sigh is a general all-purpose sigh about the fact that some think that secession is in any manner a viable alternative. The bigger sigh on my part is seeing so many people digging in with their "views" to the point of considering it a sign of weakness to compromise on any position; right or wrong. Taking this phenomenon further out in time, it appears to me that the only possible end is armed conflict.
Again, sigh.
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I hope you guys feel the same
I hope you guys feel the same when Trump guts the bill of rights and sells the national parks to exxon.
Wash Post is still a viable paper of record despite its ownership, so far, along with NYT, WSJ, and others.
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15 people went to a meeting.
15 people went to a meeting.
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CA could make it on its own.
CA could make it on its own. It would hurt the rest of the nation but states rights and all that.
Oh and there seem to be a few voices here that just want to be antagonistic, no matter the topic or thread. Group says green, select few say purple. Like they just want to get noticed and rile people up. Thats weird. Whats that called again?
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Bannon-supported smokescreen
Bannon-supported smokescreen run by a conservative from New York with an office in, wait for it, Russia.
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From His Home in Russia, #Calexit Leader Plots California Secession
A former right-wing activist from Buffalo, New York, Marinelli first moved to Russia almost a decade ago. He studied at St. Petersburg State University, the alma mater of Russian President Vladimir Putin. He returned to the United States to campaign against LGBTQ rights as part of the National Organization for Marriage
Marinelli then returned to Russia. He would marry a Russian citizen, and the couple moved to San Diego, where Marinelli launched a political career based on a platform of California secession.
“I immigrated to California, and I consider myself to be a Californian,” Marinelli says from his apartment in Yekaterinburg, a city of about 1.4 million just east of the Ural Mountains and about 1,000 miles from Moscow.
In fact, Marinelli’s movement was covered almost exclusively in outlets funded by the Russian government and Communist Party before picking up more mainstream attention in the past few months. The ascendancy of his secessionist organization says just as much about the state of media as it does about the Russian government’s ability to sway U.S. public opinion.
Despite these significant obstacles for the group — and with little, if any, grass-roots support for the campaign — Russian media outlets covered Marinelli’s effort in earnest. Several times, the Communist Party’s Pravda newspaper covered the Yes California campaign, including this September, when he met with other secessionists at a conference sponsored by the Russian government.
https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2016/12/13/from-his-home-in-russia-calexit-lea...
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I attended (even graduated)
I attended (even graduated) University in Montrêal, Quèbec.
Those Kubeckers were always trying to secede from the rest of Canada, and the last publicized effort was actually a pretty close vote.
Unlike California, they are never going to be an Agricultural Giant.
The cold Weather makes the growing season like April through September.
It's a cool place, but Hockey and Labbat beer are not going to sustain a functional economic base.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4347ZE0NQM
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GravyTrain
I'd give the Quebecois better
I'd give the Quebecois better chances than this CA thing.
Then again, folk got suckered into that pro-Russia Jill Stein movement, too.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Jill Stein won California?
Jill Stein won California?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
These are strange times.
These are strange times.
But as usual, Phil was brilliant last night.
It's good to know there are a few things we can count on.
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California and Texas are
California and Texas are equally precious and parochial in their whole notion of being so special they have to talk about seceding all the time.
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i have two theories ... trump
i have two theories ... trump will get north korea to nuke the west coast , killing liberals off.... or a succession movement would allow him in CA with martial law and private armies to kill liberals
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YES CALIFORNIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES CALIFORNIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
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We're going to need to build
California is going to need to build a wall and we should probably make the USA pay for it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Spirit zoner
Take California
Take California
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd8WjeK8riE
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
What sort of military will
What sort of military will the nation of California have?
Would the US come to its defense if the nation of California was attacked by Russia?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Stop it with the silly
Stop it with the silly hyperbole.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
Would the Nation of
Would the Nation of California be a member of NATO?
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Would people in Sacramento to
Would people east of Sacramento to the border be called "easties" and get all uppity about their pizza?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ausonius
A state with a failing
A state with a failing infrastructure, billions of debt on the horizon because of public union retirement, and a downward spiral in average intelligence wants to break off?
Good riddance.
Shocking rain damage is wakeup call to fix ailing roads, infrastructure, experts say.
http://www.dailybreeze.com/general-news/20170218/shocking-rain-damage-is...
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Thom, May I ask why you like
Thom, May I ask why you like CA when referring to living there for a spell and seeing shows, then piss on it when you deem it "lefty" . Thats convenient. Would republicans consider it states rights?
Maybe go buy an island and run things your way, since you have all the answers. "good riddance"
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Yes Lance when I get Cali
Yes Lance when I get Cali cardboard & cheese overload pizza I will get uppity. Amici's kills it and some SF pizza joints rock.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Thom and his party don't know
Thom and his party don't know what their President will do.
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> a downward spiral in
> a downward spiral in average intelligence
That's just how it appears to you when you look down your nose at the world, Thom.
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>billions of debt on the
>billions of debt on the horizon because of public union retirement,<
lol, like yours?
you know, people put $ and a portion of THEIR checks go into said retirement funds? every month and are FORCED to basically GAMBLE it into the CROOKED fucking stock market led by your (THOM), "conservative" banker elites.
i like when you talk music Thom but these black/white world views of Liberal/Left whatever have rotted your brain from critical thinking.
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Good luck California, I join
Good luck California, I join Aiq in the underground thing. I have the google and am happy to point/aid anyone in the correct direction with the google.
Email in profile.
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What sort of military will
Good questions to ask. Since California would be a new sovereign nation, those issues would have to be negotiated by new treaties, so there is no right answer at this point of time. Chances are that the major US military bases in state would be treated similarly to Guantánamo Bay and California would only have possession of those bases via negotiation or armed conflict. I'm sure the Colorado River flow would also need to be addressed. There would be nothing to stop the US from storing the water that flow into California and making the river bed a dry gully in that state.
Needless to say, it would be a mess.
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They have Google where you
They have Google where you are, Jaz? I thought only the Coastal Elite had Google?
I need to get back to CA so I can do my part to lower the average intelligence.
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We might need to quarantine
We might need to quarantine you for a few months, Roland, to get you back down to our level of sub-standard intelligence.
((((( Ignorance is Bliss )))))
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Delaware is very leftist
Delaware is very leftist
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Anyone catch Portlandia last
Anyone catch Portlandia last week?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jazfish
Roland, sort of. Somehow the
Roland, sort of. Somehow the bing has overcome my google as a home page and I can't figure out how to get back the Google.
I am not elite.
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I'd like to visit California
I'd like to visit California one more time, before I'm denied entry.
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WOW, CA is slightly less than
WOW, CA is slightly less than 1.00 in federal tax dollars received / federal tax dollars taxes. I assumed they would be huge contributors given they are such a wealthy state.
I guess we can afford to let you go CA.
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Jaz - Go To TOOLS > Select
Jaz - Go To TOOLS > Select INTERNET OPTIONS > TYPE In Google As Your Homepage > Hit OK
BING SUCKS !
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
That fraction less than a
That fraction less than a dollar is probably a considerable sum considering California's population.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
https://en.m.wikipedia.org
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_tax_revenue_by_state
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: aiq
ender, I think you graph
ender, I think you graph shows the ratio between taxes in/federal dollars received.
That doesn't bode well for red states, who pay the least but get the most.
Cali pays in about what it gets which is good.
Am I missing something here?
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-gi...
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> That fraction less than a
> That fraction less than a dollar is probably a considerable sum considering California's population.
The federal government provides California with about $368 billion a year and most of it "goes to health or retirement benefits — Social Security, Medicare and money for low-income residents’ health care through the Medi-Cal program."
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-california-federal-government-money-20170205-story.html
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Nestle Joins Thousands Of
Nestle Joins Thousands Of Companies Leaving California Over Anti-Capitalist Lawmakers and Activists
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/nestle-joins-thousands-companies...
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2015 Cali paid about $400
2015 Cali paid about $400 million.
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No more Nestle water?
No more Nestle water?
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Nestlé has a nasty history of
Nestlé has a nasty history of acquiring municipal water supplies for fun and profit.
https://www.democracynow.org/2016/2/17/michigans_water_wars_nestle_pumps_millions
http://sbcsentinel.com/2017/01/state-now-probing-nestles-san-bernardino-mountain-h2o-diversion/
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>> That doesn't bode well for
>> That doesn't bode well for red states, who pay the least but get the most.
>> Cali pays in about what it gets which is good.
Aiq,
I agree with all your points. I expected that CA was a huge contributor to poorer states via federal tax revenue. But they are slightly below break even, so them leaving doesn't hurt poor states.
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CA pays about 406 billion,
CA pays about 406 billion, and gets back around 343 billion.
So that's a hypothetical 63 billion dollar loss. That's like 6 times what Mississippi gives.
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I was counting only federal
I was counting only federal income taxes, not payroll taxes (which are tied to defined benefits).
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
>>>>>I was counting only
>>>>>I was counting only federal income taxes, not payroll taxes (which are tied to defined benefits).
And you're way better at this stuff then me, but I'm curious using your numbers what the actual dollar amount lost to the Federal govt would be. How much does that fraction of a dollar add up to?
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BING SUCKS !<<<
BING SUCKS !<<<
Worse than Duck Duck Go?
Not likely.
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I was merely explaining the
I was merely explaining the data I used. I'm not saying your metric is wrong and don't dispute the 63 billion figure.
Maybe a better way to look at it is how much each states's GDP is made up of federal spending.
Only 15% of CA's GDP is federal spending.
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From your first graph there
From your first graph there are only 13 States getting less back than CA and all GDP of all those States combined is probably less than CAs.
That leaves 36 States getting more than they give.
I don't see those 13 States floating the hole left by CA (in this ridiculous (because it won't happen) hypothetical).
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I don't think it has to
I don't think it has to balance. The 13 states don't have to float the hole. Theoretically all states could get more than they receive and we just run federal deficits.
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Duck Duck Go? <<<<
Duck Duck Go? <<<<
Ha Ha !
that deserves a Crispy bowl !
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecotopia
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MarkD
Good riddance to Nestle and
Good riddance to Nestle and their water grubbing greed.
And the difference in what we give and what we get back pays for all those states above that get back more than they give. Without us, the rest of you would have to pay alot more taxes. But that is your problem. We just want out.
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I want in.
I want in before they close the border!
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How was the crispy duck?
How was the crispy duck?
wait, wha?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Franklin Page
This is totally ridiculous. I
This is totally ridiculous. I have lived in San Francisco for 22 years. The media outside of the state are giving this waaaaay more coverage than any here. Come on