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Jarred and Ivanka, parading around at funerals, little bitches for their racist Daddy-o.

Embarrassments to themselves, their children, and all of humanity. None of those pricks were even wanted there, but they showed up anyway, because their politics trumped (no pun intended)  the desires of mourners.

Sickening.

 

>>>>None of those pricks were even wanted there

Rabbi Jeffrey Myers, who survived the massacre, made clear Trump was welcome.  Certainly, there are many people (both Jews and non-Jews) who did not want Trump there, but the reaction highlights a big irony concerning Trump.

On one hand, Trump has inflamed and emboldened the far right with his hateful rhetoric.   The guy is clearly a bigot when it comes to blacks, Latinos, and Muslims.

At the same time, he has been the staunchest ally Israel has had in the White House in a long time.   Shit, he even moved the embassy to Jerusalem.   While Trump may be racist, he is no anti-Semite and has a preference for hiring Jews, especially when it comes to lawyers, accountants, and son in laws.   This fact did not escape the shooter in this case, who stated that he did not like Trump because he "surrounded himself with k****s."  

As for Jared and Ivanka, they are observant Jews and its no surprise to see them paying their respects.   

what did the jews do a million years ago that pissed everyone off so bad?

While Trump may be racist, he is no anti-Semite<<<

Can this sort of thing really be compartmentalized?

made clear Trump was welcome.>>

Not sure about that, the overwhelming majority thought it was in poor taste to show up on the day of the funeral and not abide by the request to visit next week.

>>>>>While Trump may be racist, he is no anti-Semite and has a preference for hiring Jews, especially when it comes to lawyers, accountants, and son in laws.

 

He likes them because he needs them.

1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a black accountant: "Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control." Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that "the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true."

>>> At the same time, he has been the staunchest ally Israel has had in the White House in a long time.

Yeah, because Evangelicals need Israel to complete the Rapture.

Trump and Jared like the crooked/corrupt Netanyahu.

Trump needs those Pency Evangelicals.

 

We'll get into it later about the 3 Israeli Intelligence OPs that helped with the "disinformation campaign" in our 2016 election.

 

Interesting view you got there Ken. Lol.

Later

Trump’s stance towards Israel aside, this particular anti-Semitic murderer was motivated by the Trump lie of an “invasion” of Central Americans funded by “globalists”. The blood is on Trump’s hands. 

Is Shanda still a punk rocker?

>Yeah, because Evangelicals need Israel to complete the Rapture.<

 

fuck those assholes.

I have no idea how Jews in general feel about Trump one way or another. I do know that a fairly important segment of the Jewish population holds Israel and Jerusalem to be as sacred as anything can be, and will stop at nothing and support anyone who cements their hold on those places. So in that sense, I imagine Trump is pretty highly valued by the general Jewish community, even if he is just trying to bring about the end times for the Evangelicals...

At the end of the day, Ivanka Trump is her father’s greatest grift: the Jew who enables anti-Semitism, just as she is the woman who enables his misogyny.

Ivanka allows her father to have it both ways — to continue with his bad policy while hiding behind his daughter’s veil.

>>Is Shanda still a punk rocker?

Sheena is...

>> I do know that a fairly important segment of the Jewish population holds Israel and Jerusalem to be as sacred as anything can be, and will stop at nothing and support anyone who cements their hold on those places

Historically, about 10% of American Jews base their vote on “friends to Israel.” It’s not a power bloc, in the least. I can tell you for fact that not all of these voters support Trump. They recognize what he’s doing to this country, hate him as much as anyone, and will never vote for him or people who support his views.

70% of private American funding of Israel comes from evangelical Christians. It just so happens that they also support Israel. They are far more numerous, wealthy and important than those Jews who blindly vote on Israel.

Thanks for that explanation, Brian. You're right, the Evangelicals definitely are a very powerful block these days, and are gaining influence all around the world. The legitimization of the Evangelicals in American politics opened the door for Evangelical groups to flex their muscle around the world. Definitely a weird phenomenon, I remember when Evangelicals were basically considered fringe-lunatics, and now their ideas are only slight right of the dominant paradigm. Weird.

But do you really think only 10% of Jewish people are ardent supporters of Israel and their policies? In my experience, every Jewish person I've ever touched on the topic with quickly expressed their unreserved support of Israel as a Jewish homeland without any critical thought with regards to Israeli policies regarding Palestine, etc. Again, just my experience - I'm not Jewish and don't move around in the Jewish community that much. Sounds like you're definitely better informed than I am. 

Trump got only 24% of the Jewish vote in 2016.   Most of the Jews I know are pretty liberal and many despise Trump.    As with any groups, you are going to have a diverse bag of folks, from "cultural" non-religious Jews to the ultra orthodox.  

Trump's strong pro-Israel position and his love of Jews is a bit of anomaly considering how he whips up the far right base which contains many anti-Semetic types.  This tension was in plain view when you had the competing Bannon and Kushner camps in the White House, but Bannon is out and Jared is still in.   

NPR touched on this tension in a story this morning:

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/31/662436272/trump-and-anti-semitism

The Washington Post also had a story about how Israeli politicians seem to ignore Trump's inflammatory rhetoric:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/10/30/after-pittsburgh-shoot...

I am a "cultural", very non-religious Jew, and don't support contemporary Israel nor its policies.

>>> Trump's strong pro-Israel position and his love of Jews is a bit of anomaly considering how he whips up the far right base which contains many anti-Semetic types. 

Trump don't love shit unless it has personal or financial gain, period!

This is just one of a zillion different examples.

from Jan. 2018

DONALD TRUMP AND JEWS: PRESIDENT HAD LONG HISTORY OF CONTROVERSIES BEFORE MICHAEL WOLFF’S ‘CREEPY’ CLAIM

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-jews-creepy-history-controversy-775402

 

I'm not saying he's an antisemite, I'm saying the antisemites think he's a an antisemite.

 

He ain't running to the Twitter saying otherwise, but he'll double down, triple down every f'n time.

I think that most people of Jewish heritage support the right of existence of Israel, just as they would any of the other 125 countries created by colonial powers. One is no different than the other. They don’t, however, blindly support Israeli policy.

Well, you guys have helped me have a more informed perspective on the matter. Thanks for that! :)

 

and then there is Pence with his Christian rabbi 

 

they plan to divide, divert, and destroy, and pad their pockets

Trump's strong pro-Israel position and his love of Jews<<<

Does Trump really love anyone?

For real.  I don't even think he loves himself and will go to any length to feed the "beast" that resides in this empty void.   The only ideology I think he believes in is how to serve his own ends.  Any display of "love" needs to be evaluated in such a context, IMO.

 

Brian, I support the right of Israel to exist, but as you said, I don’t blindly support Israeli policy. I don't care for the way they treat other people.