Proud Boys v. Antifa

I wonder now, how many times one has stopped in to an Irish pub for a pint and a riot's broken out  - a few I'm sure

GO Antifa  !!!    I got 10 pounds on some proud boys noses 

This asshat said he was driving up to Portland from Tejas....

you guys seem to really have a mix of rednecks and anarchists.

I prefer non violence.

If antifa thinks violence will work for them, why not get some guns and shoot the proud boys? 

I think the boys families aren't proud of them and probably shun them in public unless they get punched.

I've taken the oathkeepers out lode mining before, and enjoy time w/ some of the merry prankster circle from time to time, along w/ many other circles of people here in western Oregon.  

Yet i've never, ever, met anybody from Antifada before (and i've had several friends who've been attending protests in various roles for eons in Ptown).  

It's almost like they're some corporate invention from the right to balance out all the active right wing douchebags in their membership

Don't  spill the beer,Ken.

Now that everyone's had their pancakes, it must be getting close to showtime.

Since neither side applied for a permit to rally, my guess is the second things get out of hand, the police start loading up the paddy wagons.

Now that everyone's had their pancakes<<<<

Not so sure.  Just think about how many people across the country are waiting in front of a hotel waffle maker at this very minute!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCP2q5qxXAE

^ tried this at a Holiday Inn Express a week ago

>>>>loading up the paddy wagons.

please, we call them Dago-wagons these days. 

why is the Trumpkin wearing blue gloves?

fingerprints?

fluoride, maybe?

Glad I am on vacation in Greece. 

Ken D. if you go down wear a helmet in case Antifa throws a cement milkshake at you 

proud boys look like a bunch of typical MAGA incels.

good luck buddy

Is it true that the Portland PD and the right-wingers have some players that represent both sides? 

“.....are the same that burn crosses.” 

huh 

https://twitter.com/letsgomathias/status/1162798002617999360

social engineering at its finest.

...

i dunno man, your picture of the blow-up unicorns followed up by a first-hand account of nazis getting beaten unconscious doesn’t mesh well or something. 

TY for the reports from ground-zero though, I’ve never gone to one of these.

Glad those fuckers got beat down. Serves them right.

Poor thom.

Was there any press coverage there?

those riot cops are fucking huge.

wait till robocop

They needed that police protection, becuase the few white supremacist stragglers got beat bad. It was kind of disturbing, but the one guy I saw get beaten unconscious did have boxing tape on, indicating he was looking for a fight.<<<<

Thanks for posting!

As much as I route for all nazis to get what they deserve, I can't help but wonder when something like this will be used as a pretense to start escalating the use of law enforcement and paramilitary forces ostensibly to quell civil disturbances, but also to establish a foothold for a form of martial law?

Too bad some folks think it's OK to beat someone into unconsciousness due to their political views. Not a good thing, no matter who is doing it. Sad so many peaceniks watched without intervening.

What would have happened had Dr. King been standing here? 

Face, what you are describing is a page exactly out of the white supremacist playbook. I.e. “concrete milkshakes” (that never actually existed).

Overselling violence against themselves for pity (oppressor victimization) in order to drum up sympathy for their cause is only half of the equation. The other half is to create situations or circumstances where responding to milkshakes with lethal force is appropriate, by claiming a reasonable fear for their safety. 

Kind of like responding to snowball throwing with water cannons in sub-freezing temperatures, as we saw in standing rock.

“There comes a time when silence is betrayal”.

-MLK

How do they respond if you ignore them? 

I've never seen them on the news generating interest in their cause if they didn't have visible opposition. 

I've seen them cry about social media outing them to the embarrassment of their families and communities.

With all the press coverage, Mayor Wheeler and Police Chief Outlaw (yes, that is her name) were under a lot of pressure to make sure this didn't turn into an all out brawl or police riot like past events<<<

The problem is that even with all the training and planning in the world, it just takes one cop who's a little too afraid in the midst of tense situation (understandably so) who unintentionally defers to the use excessive force ... perhaps kicking off a chain reaction.  Likewise, as time goes on and the divide in our nation becomes even more pronounced, the probability someone knowingly escalating a situation by intentionally trying to trigger a "chain reaction" will likely increase.  

The other half is to create situations or circumstances where responding to milkshakes with lethal force is appropriate, by claiming a reasonable fear for their safety<<<

^ it was at least six months ago I had heard Hannity on the radio say something along these lines ... essentially that protestors are effectively setting the stage for the need for a violent response from authorities & such an eventuality would be the fault of the protestors. 

Well, he would know.

Except here, the protestors aren’t setting the stage. The police are. Even after the truth about the “milkshakes” came out (That it was a hoax/threat literally created and promoted by the Portland police), the city of Portland actually defended it anyways!

portland seems like a fucking weird town. 

portland seems like a fucking weird town.

you said it. what the fuck is wrong with all those people?

When i look at these incel clowns that live in mom's basement, i definitely do not think of the brave young men that fought real nazis in WW2.

I had some southerner I had never met before who works for the same company I work for ask me if Antifa was running wild in the streets causing violence back in mid-July during a company conference in Sam Diego  what a fucking nut  my answer was that the right wing nuts come to Portland and provoke the left wing nuts and they fight a little  kind of like “so what, no big deal, doesn’t this happen in your city once a month”  but I realize that it doesn’t happen everywhere and he obviously watched too much fox news because why else would he have that impression of Portland? (which is wrong by the way In case any idiots here believe Fox News portrayal, Portland is a pretty normal city)  those idiots right wing radio hosts who incite violence in our city should be confronted  they are the real “domestic terror risks” if you want to go there.   my daughters best friend is a 16,year old black/Asian Portland girl who lives downtown in the pearl district and she’s was scared shirtless thinking these Southern dicks were coming to beat people like her. Fuck those Proud Boy terrorists,   they are modern day Lynch mobs trying to scare people that aren’t white males  “Western Chauvinist Fraternity”  sounds like true assholes  fuck those fascists  I am Glad anitifa is there to give them shit   Go back to Florida you assholes  

Thanks for reading my rant. I usually don’t bother because there are like 20 anonymous,people that bother to read  it, but I had a lot of Ouzo and alpha beer and white wine tonight and cannabis capsules so I am riled up. Love to all 

Thanks for Dante’s bar downtown for making this clear. 

Agreed Ski. The fascists need to get in their short bus and go back to Florida. 

>>>    Thanks for reading my rant. I usually don’t bother because there are like 20 anonymous,people that bother to read  it

You are very welcome, and I think quality beats quantity most of the time.

Fuck all white/any supremacists groups !

God Bless Antifa !

Not a fan of violence against those who would oppress you ?  You fucking wimpy ass pussys. You might want to reread our revolution, especially the part about what we did to those who supported king george. Nova Scotia ring a bell ?  Haha you moronic peacenik mutherfuckers are living in the wrong country.

Wave That Flag

Sly played it at Woodstock, 3:45 Sunday fucking morning

Stand!
In the end you'll still be you
One that's done all the things you set out to do
Stand!
There's a cross for you to bear
Things to go through if you're going anywhere

Stand!
For the things you know are right
It's the truth that the truth makes them so uptight
Stand!
All the things you want are real
You have you to complete and there is no deal

Stand! Stand! Ooh!
Stand! Stand! Ooh!
Ooo ooo stand!

You've been sitting much too long
There's a permanent crease in your right and wrong
Stand
There's a midget standing tall
And a giant beside him about to fall

Stand! Stand! Ooh!
Stand! Stand! Ooh!
Ooo ooo stand!

They will try to make you crawl
And they know what you're saying makes sense and all
Stand!
Don't you know that you are free
Well at least in your mind if you want to be

Everybody
Stand! Stand!

Stand! Na na na na na na na na na nah
Stand! Na na na na na na na na na nah
Stand! Na na na na na na na na na nah
Stand! Na na na na na na na na na nah
Stand! Na na na na na na na na na nah

God Bless Antifa !!

Yeah man because of delays Sly did Stand at Woodstock Sunday morning, was supposed to be Saturday night. Coincidentally the brewhaha in Portland took place Saturday, almost 50 years to the day Sly told us to Stand. 
And Antifa ran them nazi pussy's out of town with nary a shot fired. Thats some fucking awesome shit right there people and so proud we had brother ken representin' us !! 

God Bless Antifa !!

Which country should peacenik "mutherfuckers" live in?

I don't use violence against those who would oppress me - only against those who do oppress me or others, and only if absolutely necessary.

Peaceniks only enjoy their peace because someone else bled and died for it - remember that

My opinion is -   those who don't have the guts to join a fight, but choose to enjoy the fruits of someone elses sacrifice would do better to adjust your skirt and  stfu. 

Go back to Ireland, cracker. 

Thats why the ultimate guiding light messengers of my day, The Beatles - did 2 versions of Revolution - remember there's many of us that took The Beatles as Bible.

Lennon knew how fucked shit was getting and he wanted to let us know it was ok to not sit idly by and let us be taken over by the evil forces of the day - by force if necessary cuz thats the only thing that gets their attention.  Is it not as fucked today ?

Can't be afraid to Stand people 

those idiots right wing radio hosts who incite violence in our city should be confronted  they are the real “domestic terror risks” if you want to go there<<<<

In light of the absence of any credible evidence indicating Mueller, OSC, DOJ, FBI, etc have engaged in a vast conspiracy, are not said right wing radio hosts engaging in a form of Sedition?  Even a tacit or round about promulgation of discrediting and undermining the credibility of our nation's law enforcement agencies has a foot in the door of Sedition. 

Definitely NOT a fan of having to send the First Amendment down the road of further restrictions, but it's abundantly clear it is now a card in the deck in terms of necessity.   Also not suggesting it would be easy to navigate the waters on this front; especially in light of the early / failed political attempt to cast a wide net re: "Sedition" during the Adams' administration.

>>>>Go back to Ireland, cracker. 

whoa, aren’t there admins here

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
Alright
Alright

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
You know we're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
Alright
Alright

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
Alright
Alright

[Repeat: x7]
Alright

Ya know, the Beatles sound suspiciously like moderate Democrats.

a big thank you to all the brave men, women, zirs and animalkin bleeding for my right to enjoy peace in portland

Anyone who beats another into unconsciousness should face the legal consequences of such an act, no matter how "noble" that act may be.

>>> Go back to Ireland, cracker <<<

Damn kid, hope you went back to bed and slept it off...

I wrote this back in January of 2018 when I feared what could happen to this country under Orange Mussolini if we LET HIM MANIPULATE US.

Sure, it's polyanna-ish, but one can hope and strive to do right. Thought of the words of Tom Paxton's song "Peace Will Come" that say "Let it begin with me". 

Remember what Stephen Stills said in "49 Bye Byes", "If we can't do it with love in our hearts, then we have no right to do it".

Sure passions have been stirred, and tensions are high, but we need to be the better humans and act accordingly. Be the example.

What's that phrase, "Be the change you want to see in the world"?

The title I assigned at the time was "No Instructions Included".

There’s a chasm in our country

Getting deep, getting long

It’s being dug with the words

I am right, you are wrong

With the pride that we have in our country

And hope in the land we live

There’s not a chasm in this world

That we can’t bridge.

Choose hope

Choose love

Choose the chance

To rise above

Choose to be

The one to find

The path to peace

in our time.

OK, I'll shut up and go away to my corner now and hope for the best. A unicorn spewing glitter from it's horn is waiting to give me a ride somewhere. Peace out, kids.

>>>Choose hope

Choose love

Fear won by a nose 

<< Anyone who beats another into unconsciousness should face the legal blah blah blah >>>

so justice can always prevail  --- hahahaaaaaaa Riiiiiiiiight.  There's one born every minute I tell ya.  Forget the guys dishing out Marty's beatdown,  who were the brainiac assholes that recommended the Angels for Altamont security in the first place, paying them with warm beer  ?  Could it be our own hippy dippy peace n love Grateful Dead ?  And the nutless wonders were so scared they didn't even play.  

You and thod are all talk. 

>>>>>who were the brainiac assholes that recommended the Angels for Altamont security in the first place, paying them with warm beer  ?

I thought it was the Rolling Stones....

Regarding my statement above, people need to follow the law or face the consequences.  As a Berkeley resident, I get kinda sick of people coming to our town from all over the place just to beat each other up and break things.  It seems like a great idea to set fire to a bank, but the people who live above that building are at great risk. And we, the people have to pay for all the shit that's left behind.

Smart people who fight for their cause make informed decisions and deal with the consequences of their actions.

If the dude with the boxing tape on broke the law, then he should be arrested and tried for his alleged crimes, along with others who commit felony assault and battery.

YMMV, of course.

 >>>>   It seems like a great idea to set fire to a bank

the Beatles and I disagree

Thod is a good man. Don't listen to him slacker.

BTW, Ras:  I was just telling my son the story of Altamont Pass as part of the Woodstock story.  I appreciate your topical post. 

Also, I feel like I'm currently wearing my "Cranky Old Man" hat, not my "Idealistic Hippie" hat today.

Now, get off my lawn!

Berkeley - Ground Zero since mid 60's (that I know of). Bet you have a whole lotta war stories.

Today's Berkeley students have about as much in common with those during the 60's free speech movement as Antifa has with the brave men that fought real in Nazis in WW2. Which is to say not much at all.

As usual lassen be wrong. The Berkeley students of today denying hate speech on their campus are the well taught offspring of the 60's free speech movement. How you can't see that is kind of baffling.

I agree with you tho about antifa and the brave troops in uniform. -  Antifa much more resembles the equally admired underground resistance fighters.

Greg Gutfeld went to Cal.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/600662631045844992?lan...

"When it gets down to having to use violence, then you are playing the system's game. The establishment will irritate you – pull your beard, flick your face – to make you fight. Because once they've got you violent, then they know how to handle you. The only thing they don't know how to handle is non-violence and humor."      - John Lennon

Here's a Jerry interview by David Bromberg (from Jazz & Pop magazine, February 1971):

David: Why was there such a difference between Woodstock and Altamont?

Jerry: Oh God. Altamont was such a bummer, man. You could just feel the tension in the air.

David: Woodstock was spontaneous and Altamont was planned, forced.

Jerry: Right, man. It was a combination of a lot of things. You know, the Hell's Angels got a bum rap from it, but it wasn't their fault.

David: Couldn't the Stones have stopped it from the stage?

Jerry: Hell no. They were fucking scared. They were playing for their lives.

David: That sort of hysteria seems to have always been a part of the Stones.

Jerry: Well, see, the Rolling Stones never did have a cool audience. When they started playing, people were screaming. Then they knocked off for two or three years and now they come back, and it's back to screaming. But the one opportunity they had to go a different direction was on their regular tour, because the regular gigs, they had to get the audience to get up...

David: They always did.

Jerry: Yeah, but it was a trick. You know, Mick Jagger would make his little speech about turn on the lights so we can see you, and the lights would go on, and everybody would scream and run up to the stage. It was so predictable. They knew it would work.

David: But everybody got caught up in it.

Jerry: Sure, sure, but that's the thing that's going for it. It's like the magicians, like Cagliostro, man, you know what I mean? One of those trips. If you get to the point where you're playing music and you can't get off unless the crowd tears itself to pieces and attacks the stage, it's kind of like sinking your teeth way in. It's taking more than you need. You know, the Stones had the opportunity to come on as musicians during their tour, because people were sitting and listening carefully and digging the music. It's a whole other thing. It's something they'd never experienced before, they'd always had that hysteria.

David: But when you really got to listening, they were playing good.

Jerry: Hell yeah, man. They're good, they don't need any tricks. To my mind, they don't need any tricks. They put on a good show, they play fucking good, and they don't need any of the rest of the bullshit.

David: But they don't want to be musicians, they want to be stars.

Jerry: Well, I don't know if it's a question of wanting to be stars, but they definitely want to have that excitement goin' on, they want to have that hysteria. For what reason, who knows?

David: But unfortunately, they'll never be able to get rid of it.

Jerry: Yeah, probably. So it's doing weird things to them, I'm sure.

From another Jerry interview, this time Rolling Stone:  “It’s like two ways that kind of expression can go, of a huge number of people and no rules,” Garcia says. “One of the ways, obviously, can go to a terrible bummer like Altamont, and one of the other ways is to an immensely enjoyable scene like Woodstock. And they both had their extremes, but they were both sort of characterized by this heaviness, this sort of historical heaviness.”

Jerry Garcia talking Altamont, Hells Angels in Previously Unreleased Interview.  Footage appear's on the deluxe edition of Grateful Dead doc ‘Long Strange Trip’

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/jerry-garcia-altamont-hell...

Ken, I can't provide a definitive answer to your question.  Admittedly, watching live streaming of the early 2017 riots, especially during the Yiannopoulos fiasco, I was getting really pissed off with the black clad, masked individuals who were starting fires, smashing windows, and generally destroying things (I was also angry at the people who did these things and weren't wearing said uniform).  That's not something you do to your own community, in my opinion.   I honestly don't know where they are from, but they don't seem to be defending their home turf.

Likewise, I felt that the extreme left and right (or whatever you want to call them) were staging arbitrary brawls in our town to be more symbolic than anything else.  Of course, these were initiated by organizers of "Patriotic" gatherings, but it seemed to me that counter protesters and brawlers were falling for the "I am the victim" trap that these oppressed white men complain so righteously about.  At this point, it seems better to me to ignore them so their closed-minded platform gets less exposure.  Their events do draw more guests than they deserve. 

Ok, enough stream-of-consciousness rambling from me today. 

Good night 

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