To Private Jet or Not to Private Jet?
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That is the question?
In the spirit of calling out hypocrites and crooked ass motherfuckers from any and all political stances, I'm starting a thread regarding private jets. Apparently Prince Harry flies one, as do many liberal anti-global warming advocates. Which is pretty hypocritical. I mean, even if you offset the carbon, you're still producing it in the first place. And I'm pretty sure you can get in and out first class on a regular flight in a totally private manner, maybe. But really, fuck celebrities and their individualized justifications.
So Elton John spoke out in favor of the Prince, something about how the paparazzi has hounded his family forever so now, even though he is a highly vocal anti-global warming advocate, we have to give HIM a pass because he's too special and journalists bother him. Then Ellen DeGeneres defended him, too.
Isn't all just a little bit hypocritical? Who else gets a pass? How much environmental work do you have to do before your calculations give you the result of "I deserve a private jet"?
Anybody else wonder?
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
>>>>Who else gets a pass?
>>>>Who else gets a pass?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Faye Dunaway
def for led zeppelin only
def for led zeppelin only
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Tim
(No subject)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Tim
own or rent it's still
own or rent it's still private
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Localcountyline
The Stones should fly coach.
The Stones should fly coach.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
Anybody else wonder?<<<
Anybody else wonder?<<<
Forget about jets, what about cars?
How many animals have each of us killed by virtue of either driving or riding in a motor vehicle? I know I've killed at least 2-3 deer, 1 racoon and another animal about the same size, dozens of rodents and birds, and likely BILLIONS of insects.
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
We are 1 or 2 logical steps
We are 2 or 3 logical steps away from exterminating humans.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
Guess what I was trying to
Guess what I was trying to say is that I "wonder" about the necessity of traveling faster than our "natural speed" as human beings?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
If you want to start on
If you want to start on people....
How about first class...all that space seems wasteful?
how about Monster Trucks?
How about people who travel around the world just for fun?
What about air conditioning?
What about eating blueberries flown to the US from Chile in the winter?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bucky Badger
What about coal factories
What about coal factories
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Fiji Water....really?
Fiji Water.
C'mon man.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
how about Monster Trucks?<<<
how about Monster Trucks?<<<
What about million dollar RV's and Houseboats?
For that matter, what about any vehicle that uses "excessive" energy?
If we're serious about our use of energy as it relates to both the environment and national security, why would there NOT be a regulatory system for rationing a baseline allowance for individual energy consumption; likewise, a provision that imposes a progressive tax (that escalates sharply) for excess usage?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
^ your daily quota is used up
^ your daily quota is used up by typing that out.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
My wife's uncle flew one, the Boston celtics were regulars. He used to play cards with Jo Jo White. He flew the GD once, said they smoked a lot of pot.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
>> What about million dollar
>> What about million dollar RV's and Houseboats? <<
What does the price have to do with anything? What about shitty old RVs and boats built in the 70s? Are they OK because poor people own them?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
>> What about million dollar
>> What about million dollar RV's and Houseboats? <<
What does the price have to do with anything? What about shitty old RVs and boats built in the 70s? Are they OK because poor people own them?<<<
You definitely have a point in so far as possibly alluding to the amount of fuel being consumed as being the bottom line; however, is there not generally an increased carbon footprint associated with the purchase a new item vs. that of an older used version? Likewise, does not said purchase of a new item signal a demand that stimulates greater production? Do you feel the State of Colorado is not justified in charging you more to register that new 2020 BMW vs. an older 2005 Subaru?
Also not suggesting there aren't exceptions to the "rule" in terms of how what are commonly viewed as ammenities might be used for more practical purposes and actually conserve energy.
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I've given up flying
I've given up flying altogether. Wife and I only have one car between us - a 5 year old Subaru. We only spend $200/month on gasoline and elec. power combined (a little more elec. in the winter). We have a small house and grow some of our own food.
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>> Do you feel the State of
>> Do you feel the State of Colorado is not justified in charging you more to register that new 2020 BMW vs. an older 2005 Subaru? <<
It's a property tax based on value, not on age or utility.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Keep your eye on the ball,
Keep your eye on the ball, FOM, and don't let valid points get undermined by your zeal for class warfare.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
deadheads are one to talk....
deadheads are one to talk....
meanwhile gassing up the '78 van that gets 5 mpg
or jumping on a plane for mayer and co...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
I had a 21' travel trailer
I had a 21' travel trailer for several years that I would take to festivals. I towed it with an eight cylinder Jeep Grand Cherokee. When I was towing it on the flats, it got 12 mpg. Uphill was much worse. Pain in the ass to haul around, but so nice when you got to the festival and all set up.
Biggest mistake was getting it new. Things on it started to break as soon as I towed it off the lot. It also had an awful formaldehyde fume problem for the first year from all the glue and fake wood. Should have bought a used one for a fraction of the price.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Andean Flight
Wow. I forgot I started this
Wow. I forgot I started this thread.
Lots of good points.
First, I think we can all agree that Led Zeppelin gets a pass. Stones and Doobies...meh.
The list of "what about's" is good and valid. Everything we do and consume has an environmental footprint and yes, the environmental footprint of first class is high, no doubt, but it's still a hell of a lot lower than flying two passengers on one jet. The particular hypocrisy here is not just about whether you have a high carbon footprint or not, it has to do with being a highly-recognized and vocal advocate for preventing climate change and then flying around on a private jet.
Anyways. I'm glad we all agree on Zeppelin. We do, right?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
>> I'm glad we all agree on
>> I'm glad we all agree on Zeppelin. We do, right? <<
FOM thinks they should walk and carry their amps.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
wait, why can't the stones
wait, why can't the stones have a plane?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Andean Flight
I'm just not a Stones fan.
I'm just not a Stones fan. Sorry.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lassen
I'm more concerned about Axl
I'm more concerned about Axl Rose's methane gas emissions
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Joe Buck is Back
The Dead had thier own plane
The Dead had their own plane for a little while. Never did see a picture of it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
Does Ed Force One get a pass?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lassen
^ yes, as long they are
^ yes, as long they are claiming the "flight of icarus" exemption.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Faye Dunaway
>>Stones should fly coach
>>Stones should fly coach
>>flight of icarus" exemption.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Andean Flight
Maiden gets a pass, for sure.
Maiden gets a pass, for sure.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High
Nobody gets a pass.
Nobody gets a pass.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Andean Flight
Yeah, I know, I'm just being
Yeah, I know, I'm just being facetious. But it's pretty entertaining to see that no one (I think no one) in this thread actually condemned the use of the private jet by Prince Harry. Is it that what he did isn't a big deal? Or is it liberal bias giving a free pass to somebody based on rationalizations? I don't know but I think it's important to stay critical of all people in power and not lose track of that during these crazy and mixed up times.
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^ nobody endorsed him either,
^ nobody endorsed him either, Javs.
Full disclosure: I flew private back from the Dominican in January. It was awesome. They even had snacks.
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Lynyrd Skynyrd ---- No
Lynyrd Skynyrd ---- No
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
Full disclosure: I flew
Full disclosure: I flew private<<<
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
>>>>Lynyrd Skynyrd ---- No
>>>>Lynyrd Skynyrd ---- No
Ha! But they were on an old turbo prop Convair CV-240 with a coked up pilot when it ran out of fuel and crashed into the swamp. I don't know if jets have a bigger carbon footprint, RIP Ronnie, Steve, and Cassie.
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I completely agree with you,
I completely agree with you, Javs. Check out these other hypocrites as well:
https://www.wheels24.co.za/WildOnWheels/celebrity-climate-hypocrites-do-...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
Intersisting post EB Fox.
Intersisting post EB Fox. Thanks for sharing.
Elon Musk rides around in a Model T Ford?
Harrison Ford has a nice collection of airplanes. And some of them get relatively good gas millage.
While not on the list, Jimmy Buffet travels around in old flying boats that he pilots himself (sometimes). Not sure what mpg those things get, but its pretty cool nonetheless. Does he get a pass?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Johnny D
On a relatively topical note,
On a relatively topical note, my son was just watching this Wendover Productions video about the NFL useage of planes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ_LUFBSoqM
(We generally find these analytical shorts pretty interetsing)
Here's another one about the railway system vs. other ways of transporting goods:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9poImReDFeY
....and why trains suck in America;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbEfzuCLoAQ
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Johnny D
Well, since I already killed
Well, since I already killed this thread, I may as well add one more video, specifically about the costs (and benefits) of private air travel (carbon footprint numbers are presented about 8 minutes in, if I remember correctly).
Interesting to see who owns the largest private jet fleet...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYPrH4xANpU
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Yachts can be emissions free.
Yachts can be emissions free. Get a yacht.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino
All air travel contributes 2%
All air travel contributes 2% of the problem if you want to hate private jets go for it but we could ground every plane and it wouldn't make a difference
Around the world, aviation emits about 860 million metric tons of carbon dioxide every year, or about 2 percent of total global greenhouse gas emissions.
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/08/should-we-all-be-ashamed-...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: JP (J Bomb)
That Doobie Brothers plane
That Doobie Brothers plane ended up as part of the Caribbean Zone restaurant under the 80 freeway. At least I assume that's the same plane.
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My work had a Christmas party
My work had a Christmas party there because our building was next door.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ziBe2JwgE1o
Jet powered hang glider video. It would make the cut.
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Andean Flight
Good conversation in here - I
Good conversation in here - I didn't realize this thread was still alive. Some thinking to do and I'll post later. :)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: I rang a silent bell
Animal agriculture is
Animal agriculture is responsible for 13–18% of human-caused greenhouse gas emissions globally.
Air travel contributes 2%.
So obviously vegetarians flying on private jets should get a pass, right?