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Well.
Wow.
THAT was "something".
That was really something.
And I've seen this band, and I'm not a fan of the venue (Chase Center) but...
Wow.
That was something.
Maybe the place isn't so bad.
If the band plays like that.
Just a little rock 'n roll.
That's all I ask in 2021.
And maybe just a little more.
Tonight was IMO just a little more than a little more.
Far out.
Tomorrow should be fun, and if it's better than tonight, then...
Wow.
BTW, this is a back-to-the-hotel review.
But even if I posted this tomorrow, I'd still say...
Wow.
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Fun show. Killer opener.
Fun show. Killer opener.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: I rang a silent bell
PHISH, SATURDAY 10/16/2021
PHISH, SATURDAY 10/16/2021
CHASE CENTER
San Francisco, CA
SET 1: Possum, Halley's Comet > 46 Days -> Slave to the Traffic Light, Simple > Shade > Winterqueen > Meat > Run Like an Antelope
SET 2: Bathtub Gin > Everything's Right > Frankie Says -> Bathtub Gin > The Wedge, The Moma Dance
ENCORE: Carini
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Zzzzzz
looks solid. Partial to
looks solid. Partial to Halleys, antelope, gin and Carini. Solid four there.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
enjoy!
enjoy!
10-16-21
https://mega.nz/folder/1JsxiaTI#G6egGmgooiwx-cUTx8Ariw
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Jerman
waiting for Charlie Saint to
waiting for Charlie Saint to give us his review of the shoes....once the SF glow wears off
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
Personally, I really liked
For me, especially these days, the set list at a Phish show is really important to my enjoyment of the show. I really liked last night's set list, but it was the playing between the songs in the 1st set and especially in the 2nd that brought the wows.
It was head down, serious hard jamming throughout, and Trey was on fire.
It was my kind of Phish.
It's so fun to know that great shows still happen, it's so fun to be back at 'em.
GTTS!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Johnny D
Looking forward to tonight's
Looking forward to tonight's show. It's been a while...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Woz
Phish was EPIC last night.
Phish was EPIC last night. Trey was on fire! I thought Shoreline was great but last night was several orders of magnitude better!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
Trey was on the Simpsons tonight
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: I rang a silent bell
gtts! EPIC, heading out to
gtts! EPIC, heading out to the show soon.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
My friends & I all concurred
My friends & I all concurred with Woz's assessment. Exactly what we were saying.
They were getting heavy, dark & gooey toward the end of the tour they just finished, and this one is just starting out. It didn't sound like Sacramento on Friday was very good, but last night was a rocket to Mars. If tonight holds close to that level it bodes well for the upcoming shows in Eugene, Arizona, SoCal & Las Vegas.
I may have to alter my plans and think about going to Vegas, maybe Santa Barbara.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: doctor
Is there a link to the show
Is there a link to the show because Phish never caught me.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
You should definitely go to
You should definitely go to Santa Barbara.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Woz
My weekend:
My weekend:
Phish on Saturday? Best I’ve ever seen them. They are the greatest amalgamation of rock and roll history with the purist most intense and interesting balls to the wall jamming that there is. They encompass everything from the Stones to the Funky Meters to Zappa to the Velvet Underground to the Dead to to everything Greg and rock and roll. It’s hard to describe, the songs are silly lyric wise but musically Athe most talented foursome I’ve ever seen.
Tonight? Billy Kirchen and the surviving Lost Planet Airmen. In their day, one of the best Western swing bands ever (excuse me Bob Wills and Ray Benson and Asleep at the Wheel) and man did they rock. It was an emotional tribute to George Frayne, most of the guys are/were local and it was a religious musical experience. Down to seeds and stems agiain while being lost in the ozone during the riot in cell block #9!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
>>>Best I’ve ever seen them<<
>>>Best I’ve ever seen them<<<
Damn, that's a big statement.
I wouldn't say that, but it was real good for sure.
Tonight was also really good, but more what you'd expect, a really good show from a really good band, but IMO it wasn't close to the level of the night before.
Still, lots of really groovy jamming tonight, some really deep improv & group mind, and some damn good rock 'n roll. A really good show.
And isn't that what we all love? The 'you just never know?' One night good, one night great, one night.... WHAAAAAAT?????
That's the good stuff.
And dolittle, after over 30 years, if you haven't gotten it by now you likely never will.
Sometimes there's a language we can just never understand.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Zzzzzz
>>>It didn't sound like
>>>It didn't sound like Sacramento on Friday was very good
Perhaps not, but a decent breakout with + And so to bed. I'm also a sucker for Brother and sure Corrina is a nice surprise too.
Sacramento, CA
SET 1: The Final Hurrah, Harry Hood, Corinna, The Squirming Coil > 555, Army of One, Beauty of My Dreams, Mercury > Character Zero
SET 2: Scents and Subtle Sounds -> Plasma > Free > Billy Breathes > Piper > Ghost > And So To Bed > Sigma Oasis > Tube -> Brother, When the Circus Comes, Golgi Apparatus
ENCORE: Sand
This show featured the debut of And so to Bed which had been previously been released on The White Tape 35 years earlier. Tube was unfinished and contained a Tears of the Clown tease from Trey. Brother was restarted after the first verse and was performed for the first time since December 30, 2017 (107 shows). Mike teased "Charge!" after Brother.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
^listening to this show now... And so to bed...that's a breakout.
Good show.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rando
So sad to hear about the
So sad to hear about the jumper last night from the 200s. Glad he didn't kill or serious injury anyone when he took his own life. Look out after those around you and keep hard drug intake in relative check all. Mental health issues are very real. Sounds like a very rough night for a lot of show attendees last night... RIP.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: I rang a silent bell
SUNDAY 10/17/2021
SUNDAY 10/17/2021
CHASE CENTER
San Francisco, CA
SET 1: Bug, My Soul > Back on the Train, Maze, Steam, Destiny Unbound, Beauty of a Broken Heart, Reba, I Never Needed You Like This Before
SET 2: Evolve, Set Your Soul Free, Wingsuit > Chalk Dust Torture
ENCORE: Lawn Boy, Wolfman's Brother
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
Pretty strange choice of
Pretty strange choice of songs for that 2nd set right after one of your fans jumped to his death in Set I.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Zzzzzz
Evidently there were two
Evidently there were two jumpers last night...or two who fell. One lived.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Zzzzzz
Band didn't know. Evidently
Band didn't know. Evidently the staff was confused because there were two people who fell/jumped. Seems like a cluster.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
How do you know that the band
How do you know that the band didn't know?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Johnny D
China-Rider: Nice to meet you
China-Rider: Nice to meet you! It was good to introduce my son to you and some other fine folks. This was his first ever concert experience (bad parenting).
We enjoyed the music and spectacular light show from the back of the house. Unfortunately, we also witnessed the aftermath of EMTs desperately trying to revive the jumper (and the pools of blood left behind).
Someone else fell about 12-14 feet onto the pavement during set break and Kai (who is currently taking EMT courses) responded. There were two SFPD officers who were getting ready to move the guy into a wheelchair and Kai told them to stop so that Kai could assess (can he feel his extremities, etc). Kai explained that he was going to support the person's head while they waited for the EMTs. One of the offices told Kai, "Hey professor, we don't need your assistance." When Kai started to explain the risks of moving this person, the officer added, "You know that I'm recording you right now, don't you?" As soon as the EMTs arrived they basically chewed out the two cops and Kai transitioned the "patient" into able hands. (Proud Papa!)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
Good going, Kai. Those
Good going, Kai. Those officer's recordings should be used as evidence to have them fired.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Johnny D
PS: I think I'll just spend
PS: I think I'll just spend the rest of October outside on terra firma with a clean sound and the relaxed people at TXR...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Zzzzzz
>>>How do you know that the
>>>How do you know that the band didn't know?
Reading the boards and the uber innies say it's so. So yes, I don't know.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Localcountyline
Sad situation. I'm glad they
Sad situation. I'm glad they didn't take anyone else out with them.
Johnny, that's great that your son jumped right in. I'm fucking sick of hearing about cops that "know it all."
It sounds like he's on his way to be an excellent EMT.
Good going Dad!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Johnny D
He wants to be a firefighter
He wants to be a firefighter like his Grandpa.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf
"Not all cops..."
"Not all cops..."
Way to go Kai, and good job raising him up right, johnny d.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
Damn Johnny. What a
Damn Johnny. What a memorable first concert experience for your son. Glad he was able to help out and vibes to the other jumper's family and friends. Such a tragedy. Be safe out there everyone.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Localcountyline
Good for him. I have several
Good for him. I have several friends in that profession here in Marin.
One of them just became the Stinson Beach Fire Chief at age 30.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: (~)};)StealYourFace
Watched the show from behind
Watched the show from behind the stage last nite. Awesome well balanced sound, lots of room to groove and we could watch the band sans blinding strobe lights! Watching the mechanics of the light rigging was wild. Great show but less intense than Sat 2nd set throw-down. My first back2back Phish outing.
Synchronized jumping. that a Phish thing?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: (~)};)StealYourFace
JD
JD
Great job by Kai. He should consider signing up with Rock-Med. I can make the introductions. Seriously he would make a great addition...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf
^^^
^^^
Wow that's a really awesome thought/gesture, walstib.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: I rang a silent bell
Johnny D, great to meet you
Johnny D, great to meet you and Kai! What a memorable way for Kai to experience his first Phish show!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GDTRFB
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/10/18/chase-center-phish-concert-...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
Damn. I had heard some staff
Damn. I had heard some staff talking vaguely about somebody falling but I didn't know it was from the upper deck.
I spent a few minutes on a walkabout in the upper level of that vast place and was noting to myself how fucking high up it is along the railing.
Do they know if he jumped or fell, because either is possible.
Still, another Yossarian moment of being too high and being literally drawn into space is very possible up there.
WALSTIB, I'm surprised I didn't see you last night, as I was also behind the stage both nights. I really do not like all the blasting lights in my eyes at Phish shows and behind the stage in that place the sound is good and is one of the only spots to feel remotely close to the stage. Plus, I love watching crowds, and Phish lighting these days lights up the crowd constantly. That's much more interesting than looking through spotlights at four aging musicians all night.
Sure glad I did see or know about the jumper.
On it goes.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dan
Another Yossarian Moment
Another Yossarian Moment sounds too much like a Phish song.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
https://www.mercurynews.com
Did they jump or did they fall? Inquiring minds..
https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/10/18/phish-fan-falls-to-his-death-at-c...
>A fan died after falling during a concert by the popular jam band Phish on Sunday night at San Francisco’s Chase Center, and at least one other person was seriously injured later in an unrelated fall.
“Two guests attending last night’s concert were seriously injured,” Chase Center officials said in a statement. “The San Francisco Medical Examiner’s Officer has informed us that, sadly, one of the individuals has passed away. We extend our heartfelt condolences to the guest’s loved ones. We are working with the local authorities to determine exactly what happened, and will defer questions about the incident to the San Francisco Police Department.”
Police were reportedly alerted to the fall of the first man around 8:55 p.m. on Sunday.
“Medics arrived and immediately provided medical treatment, but despite the efforts of the emergency responders the victim succumbed to his injuries and was declared deceased,” a San Francisco Police spokesperson told KPIX.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Tim
Momma dance has a cool Monkey
Momma dance has a cool Monkey Man tease @ around 6 min in or so
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Woz
At the end of the Moma Dance
At the end of the Moma Dance Fishman keeps screaming "I'm a Monkey!"
Halloween teaser? Let It Bleed would be a great album to covert!
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>>>Did they jump or did they
>>>Did they jump or did they fall?
On my way out I overheard 3 people talking about how they witnessed one of the dudes take a running jump Yosarian style. I didn't know until now that there were 2, so not sure on that one.
It was such a downer at the time and the 3rd show I've attended where this has occurred. I was in the seats straight across the venue so I saw them tarping the area/removing the body and later investigating the scene on the upper deck. I seriously thought about splitting, but waited to see what the band was going to do. It's hard to believe they didn't get wind of it since word spread around to our side very quickly amongst both fans and ushers.
>>>Pretty strange choice of songs for that 2nd set right after one of your fans jumped to his death in Set I.
I actually came out of my funk during Set Your Soul Free imagining dead dude peacefully transitioning on.
Weirdly, on night one during Slave there was a guitar riff that reminded me of Zeppelin's Rain Song and it kinda stayed with me the rest of the show and into night 2.
Upon This Sword a Little Rain Must Fall
Just A Little Rain
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: |-|/-\|_|_
Both shows were off the hook,
Both shows were off the hook, with Saturday being one of my all time favorites mainly due to having more songs I like, but even the newer stuff they played had some great moments.
This band is so on right now, but I doubt I'll get to see any other shows this tour. Vegas is going to be shear madness, so go to the shows if you can!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits
Yikes. At first glance I
Yikes. At first glance I thought the OP and post #2 were about the poor guy who fell to his death.
I read there were two separate falling incidents in one night? Is the venue set up in a way that people can fall that easily? Terrible thing either way,
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: (~)};)StealYourFace
Sorry I missed yer Lance,
Sorry I missed yer Lance, were you embedded in your flat-brim?
Agree with viewing the crowd insanity from the band's perspective.
and that was some crowd insanity...
Saw another Phish Phan Down outside the venue but chalked that up to a nitrous blackout face plant.
There were nitrous tanks literally <50 feet outside the doors upon exiting
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Thanks Kai
Thanks Kai
RIP To Whoever Died
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Johnny D
Not to dwell on the
Not to dwell on the unfortunate landing, put it was pretty obvious from our perspective that the jumper had a lot of forward momentum, based on where he landed.
BTW: Kai and I had a wonderful night, despite the sobering and unfortunate event.
I think that we were at just the right spot to fully experience the patterns and textures of the light show without having any shining in our eyes.
I enjoyed some freaky frenzied dancing interspersed with focused listening from my chair.
Good stuff and another reminder that each show should be enjoyed as if it may be the last.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Faye Dunaway
what i heard from last night
what i heard from last night was FAB
that rail falls thing sucks ass tho
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
>>>Is the venue set up in a
>>>Is the venue set up in a way that people can fall that easily<<<
When I walked out to the front of the isle at the edge of the upper deck I was immediately stepping back, as the "rail" is a clear piece of plexiglass that didn't seem high enough to me, but then I'm tall and I often feel that way about railings. The height & the drop definitely got my attention though.
As for the band not knowing about it, musicians are generally pretty isolated in their little backstage world, and I can't imagine anyone from their camp or the promoters wanting to tell them about an event like that unless it involved stopping or delaying the show.
Bad shit happens at shows all the time, virtually every one has disasters of varying degree.
I would bet a nickle they were blissfully unaware of this one.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ
These were my first Phish
These were my first Phish shows ever.
Mind blown, and the bookend for my best week of 2021.
Agree about those plexiglass rail panels -- flimsy.
The slope of those upper seats make it easy to get lost in the jams and take your final dance step... I had to sit down a few times because I was feeling unsteady.
In my section, a kid did a triple summersault from the rows above me, passing right next to me and almost landing on the rail... he popped up and had friends helping him. Don't know if it was intentional or not.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
Oh, great.
Oh, great.
Another new Phish fan to buy up tix and get in my way at shows.
Ha! Just kidding.
Very cool that you enjoyed your first Phish shows. It doesn't always happen that way, it didn't for me.
You got a couple of good ones, and that always helps.
Here's hoping for more fun in 2021!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ
Here's the review from
Here's the review from Jambands.com > https://jambands.com/news/2021/10/18/phish-close-san-francisco-run-with-...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ
Review from Phish.net >
Review from Phish.net > https://phish.net/blog/1634605027/san-francisco-night-2-recap-we-escaped...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits
It seems unlikely the band
It seems unlikely the band knew. Wingsuit seems incredibly cold-hearted, I just don't see them knowing,
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
Nothing lasts, nothing stays
Nothing lasts, nothing stays
Caught in this procession of unchanging days
What's new is old, what's old is gone
You're pushed up to the edge, so put your wingsuit on
Put your wingsuit on
(And it feels good 'cause it feels good
And it feels good)
And gliding away, you fly where you choose
There's nothing to say and nothing to lose
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island
John, you and Kai have shared
John, you and Kai have shared some big adventures and this one was another. He's a sweet young man and has the ability to help from the strong foundations your family has built with him. Sorry that happened for all of you, but it sounds like he was in the right place at the right time.
The police need education. Jeez.
Good going, Kai.
Love to you.
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BIG UPs to Kia for helping
BIG UPs to Kia for helping out. Sounds like he was raised right !
horrible scene to witness and deal with
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
I've heard some
I've heard some unsubstantiated rumors (the best kind) that the man who died had been in a serious depression and his friends had taken him to the show to try and cheer him up.
If true, those friends must be hurting now.
Also, I was talking with a friend last night who actually knows the man who fell accidentally and survived with "non-life threatening injuries", which is a broad term because he has undergone multiple surgeries and likely will have more. The word is that he just missed a step and flipped right over the plexiglass.
I'm thinking Chase Center is going to be paying out some big money on this, and I'll bet that there are going to be significant changes to the railings in that place very soon.
And Phish may not want to or be allowed to play there anymore as well.
Which would be one small positive from a horrible situation.
And it's amazing and really sad that policemen didn't know what is such a basic aspect of working in public safety, that you don't move someone who may have neck or spine damage unless it's absolutely vital they be moved.
John, I don't suppose you got those badge numbers or names of those cops? Since my friend knows the man who fell, he might be interested in that bit of info, and the video they were proudly touting that likely documents their unprofessional behavior.
Be careful out there, especially when you're near the edge.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Frank3
very weird thing to see ,
very weird thing to see , grasp, and move on from
I work in "healthcare" and know enough to know...this is sad & strange
I am sad for all those effected...it reaches far , trust me .
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: The Sound of Steam and Caffeine
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/10/19/phish-fan-fall-upper-deck-c...
The guy who broke his leg stayed to finish the show before going to the hospital!
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I Get Scared of Heights
I Get Scared of Heights
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
Holy cow. The guy who got
Holy cow. The guy who got landed on and broke his leg is friends with many zoners! I've met him once or twice in passing at shows.
Small world, and good for him that he wasn't hurt worse, and what a gamer! Staying on in a wheelchair with a broken leg.
And after reading about that 2nd fall, it's interesting because I know exactly where that happened, and the fall from above there isn't that far. Plus, I don't think there is an isle over that open platform, so the guy who fell must have gone over from his seat.
The guy who died is from New York. A friend of his posted on facebook that he slipped and fell, the police think it looks more like he jumped.
Being a venue hound and someone who has dealt with this type of thing personally many times, and who will also certainly be in that venue many times in the future (I'm seeing the Warriors there in two weeks) the morbid details of this event fascinate me.
Too bad for me.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: he who was Crabneesh
The place is a fucking death
The place is a fucking death trap. I was offered a ticket & declined because I have been there before.
A year or so ago I saw War open for Santana & was in the 200s & I couldn't believe how low the barrier is & how narrow the aisles are.
I am a big man. 6'1" & grossly overweight. I wear a size 13 shoe & could barely move my feet in the narrow row.
After about 15 minutes I was so uncomfortable I got up & stood on the steps. They were so steep I could have easily done a header & killed not only myself but 4-6 others.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ
https://www.sfgate.com
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/amp/Like-death-trap-Phish-fans-speak-Chas...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
sounds like Phish meets Squid
sounds like Phish meets Squid Game ^
..and they really, really need sell less tickets and close off those upper sections for concerts. or make some major renovations, STAT.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: (~)};)StealYourFace
Turns out the safest spot was
Turns out the safest spot was behind the stage! (or on your living room couch)...
No jumpers above
Plenty space to socially distance dance
No retina melting strobe lites
No glow stix wars
"Chase" sounds like a Phish song...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
I can deal with all of the
I can deal with all of the above - with the exception of falling humans
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
https://www.westword.com
https://www.westword.com/music/details-emerge-about-fridays-death-at-red...'s%20Office.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
Those rock climbing falls
>"Chase" sounds like a Phish song...
Lol, Yes.
Those rock climbing falls happened after a concert, not during a concert, Slacker. Doubt that will deter any fans from attending Red Rocks concerts. Well, with a couple of exceptions..
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/sports/fan-falls-out-of-stands-at-rangers-ba...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
As I believe Slacker is
As I believe Slacker is trying to point out, people falling at venues isn't that rare. It's fairly common at sporting events, a lady went over a rail with her two-year-old at a San Diego Padres game just a couple of months ago.
There's only so much that venues can do to make the front rows & railings safe, and to be fair, it sounds like the guy that died in SF took the leap, and there's nothing that can be done about that. The second guy that fell tripped somehow, and that can happen in any venue, and the results can be similar if they're at the edge of a balcony or upper deck.
IMO the problem here, and it isn't just with Chase Center, is that upper levels in new venues are miles high because of the luxury box levels, and in the regular seating areas they look to cram in as many seats as possible, so seats are smaller now and closer to the rows in front, and unlike most older venues the front rows don't have much if any extra room from the edge to make it a little safer to stand and get in & out, so it is easier to trip when trying to get in or out of a row, especially when people don't stand up to let you out but just try and move their legs to the side (lazy bastards).
Plus, most new venues use those plexiglass "railings" nowadays, likely to avoid complaints of obstructed views, but they don't offer anything to hold on to and are easy to not really notice at all. I don't think Chase is built any differently than any other newer venue, but I would imagine they'll be the first, and probably not the last to change the railings to something that can be held on to and be better seen.
As a larger person I never fit into seats in these modern venues, so I always look to buy or move into an ADA section whenever I can, and any time I've ever been in the front row of a balcony or upper deck I'm VERY careful at ALL times, whether it was Candlestick Park, the Warfield, BG Civic, Oracle Park or anywhere else, because one ill-timed slip in any of those venues could result in a similar disaster.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
>>>>Doubt that will deter any
>>>>Doubt that will deter any fans from attending Red Rocks concerts.
Saw Neil Young at Red Rocks in 92 (on the night of Harvest Moon) and people had climbed up over the rocks to see the show. At one point, Neil waived to the people up on the rocks and asked how the view was. Later in the show, we saw a bunch of emergency flashing lights in the back stage area and learned later that somebody had slipped and fallen to their death.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
Maybe these venues need to
Maybe these venues need to install nets (like they have at the ballgames) over the sections and floor below to prevent falling objects and humans.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: |-|/-\|_|_
>>>, and there's nothing that
>>>, and there's nothing that can be done about that
The deck I had built at my house had to have a rail that, by code, is between 42" and 45". 42" is right at about my belly button (I'm 6'). I don't know the rail height at Chase, but since I was on the 1st row of the lower section both nights, I had one right in front of me, and it was well below that. Even before I got word of the fall I was aware of their low height. I'm an old (mostly retired) rock climber, so heights don't bother me, but I am somewhat hyper aware when I'm in an area where a fall could be lead to injury of death, so I remained wary of that low rail both nights, knowing that since it was below my hips, all it would take would be losing my balance in that direction and my upper body weight could easily flip me right over.
After the person fell (during setbreak), I watched a young woman taking a selfy with her back to the rail. Her butt was above the top of the rail, so had she leaned back to where her weight was further over the back of the rail, all it would have taken was for the friction of the soles of her shoes to give way and she could easily flip over backwards (the rail itself is only about 2 inches thick, so it would not offer a place to sit one's weight to re-establish balance).
If they were as high as my deck rails, this woman would have been leaning the small of her back against it, making a fall very unlikely. And it's a good chance the accidental faller would have hit it at stomach/chest level, which would keep more of his body weight below him, whereas hitting the rail at thigh height makes it so that too much body weight was already over the rail, and recovery becomes almost impossible, especially if there's any inertia (from tripping/stumbling forward).
So to me, it's very clear that the rails in these types of venues are built so that people can see while in a seated position. They do have slightly higher rails where the aisles come down, so the venues have accounted for people being on their feet and moving there, but the problem is that people are on their feet next to the lower rails whether they're getting to/from their seats, or standing up to cheer at a game, or rockin' out at a drugband show.
Nancy's idea of netting isn't bad, and would certainly be more cost effective, but I highly doubt they'll do anything, especially since they were once again approved by the building inspector who went back out there a couple days ago.
Personally, I won't be sitting on the rail in the upper section here, or under the upper section at this place (or the Warfield, BGCA, etc).. And I would lawyer up if I was the person who accidentally fell (or if I had been fallen on).
All that being said, after re-listening to these shows, I just want to add one or two more WOWs!!!
and
Go to the Vegas Shows if you can!
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I think the upper decks are
I think the upper decks are also steeper particularly in newer urban sheds and stadiums because they build them on a smaller foot print than they used to in order to save money which means less seats or go step. But yeah luxury boxes are the biggest reason.
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Hal, I was disgusted when I
Hall, I was dismayed when I heard the report from the building inspectors saying 'all to code'. - essentially nothing to see or do here to make the venue safer. Guess they'll wait for a few more falls and/or VIP's getting squashed below before they make some changes.
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What makes these people think
What makes these venue people think code as adequate and that folks don't stand at basketball games? I don't see this hazard as limited to dancers at concerts. I visited the upper decks last New Years run and agree with posts here that the plexiglass is too low and the steep stairway makes it easy to lose your balance and fall.
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>>>the rails in these types
>>>the rails in these types of venues are built so that people can see while in a seated position<<<
All railings that are along a front row of seats in venues and theaters old & new are always low, for exactly that reason, and it makes sense.
I've sat in the upper deck front row at Oracle Park where the Giants play lots of times. The railing there makes it to about my mid-thigh and it always has my full attention, but there is an actual railing to hold on to, and also a very little bit of extra leg room (why I sit there).
But again, people fall over railings at venues more than we hear about (if the one guy hadn't of jumped and died in such dramatic & horrific fashion we never would have heard about the second fall). It's always important to be extra careful when sitting in a front row in any venue, and I bet one thing we will see at Chase soon are little signs in the front rows telling people to be careful along the edge.
I don't know about nets. That would be a major construction situation at massive expense that would definitely obstruct views. It would also likely be a big process to get somebody out of a thing like that, and at concerts stupid people (redundant?) might just think jumping into a net is a good idea.
I do think perhaps changing the "railings" in front of the seats from the clear plexiglass to an actual bar or rail that can be grabbed when losing balance could be considered. Over the years I've thanked the low bar-railing at the Warfield on more than one occasion for that very reason, and that one barely comes up above my knees when I'm standing.
Other than that, the best move for concerts, and maybe for most every event might be to simply not sell the front rows along the higher levels and tarp them off to keep poachers from going in there. That would shrink capacity and lose money, but Chase Center is going to have to cough up big for this episode, and over time it would be a good safety and PR move.
Ultimately, I think the bigger story to understand from this will be, did the guy commit suicide or did he pull a Yossarian, i.e. are drugs to blame?
Because again, there really isn't anything that can be done about that sort of thing, except hope you're not at the bottom of the fall.
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What's Up Gang?
What's Up Gang?
I saw Dead and Company play Chase Center shortly after it opened on Dec 30 1019 from the upper level.
I couldn't believe how STEEP it was up there, like walking up a mountain! The views and sound are fantastic tho'.
I was at the Phish shows both Sat and Sunday and during Set Break the dude next to me told me about what happened and said the guy did have a running start and leapt,
which what others have reported. I feel so bad this happened but thankful I didn't witness it.
I didn't know about the other accident until someone told me the next day. I could totally see them making enhancements to the plexiglass in the upper decks.
Who knows if that will happen.
I hope you all are doing well!
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hey now jay !
hey now jay !
have you heard Trey's speech about it?
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What did Trey have to say?
What did Trey have to say?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uETshFlnRbE
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Thanks Tom.
Thanks Tom.
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<<hey now jay !
<<hey now jay !
have you heard Trey's speech about it?>>
What up! Yes I actually read about it. I thought it was a very classy thing to do after such a horrible tradgedy.
Honestly I can't see many other bands doing the same, and trying to honor the victims.
Pearl Jam has done this as well for a different reason.
thx for the youtube clip as well.