I have seen "Red Dawn" a few times and saw how a band of rural Colorado high school kids with a few stolen assault rifles can hole up in the hills and keep an entire Russian and Cuban army at bay for months on end.
from comment section: Roseanne Cash: the NRA funds Domestic Terrorism (has link)
"The New York Times is doing what it does best: Playing to its anti-gun crowd. Kids, tell yourselves what you want, but you will NEVER get our guns. I advise you not to try."
Is this what you speak of, it always makes me feel safe. ;-) ;-)
The US Military has never lost a conventional war. It's track record with guerilla war has been more spotty. Those militias of half starving Somalis gave some of our most elite troops a run for the money back in 1993.
Did the U.S. Government ever officially recognize the Confederate States Of America? Their armies were militias that won several battles against the U.S. armed forces.
Also, the CSA was plagued by a successful Unionist uprising in Southeast Mississippi in 1863-1865 led by soldiers who had deserted the Confederacy and runaway slaves, as chronicled in the recent movie, "The Free State Of Jones".
In every instance noted here, including Vietnam, the US military was limited in it's response.
Our military does one thing better than any military on Earth and that is completely destroy the enemy.
We could have triumphed in Vietnam if we were allowed to use the full power of the US arsenal. However, that would have led to Vietnam being uninhabitable for years.
The US military is only at a disadvantage when held back. If unleashed to it's full potential, we could fuck up everything on the planet.
>>>the US military is only at a disadvantage when held back. If unleashed to it's full potential, we could fuck up everything on the planet.
>>>What percentage of the 4 branches are liberal?
I think Slacker's point is that there is at least a perception by some that if civil disorder ever broke out and the militias took to the hills to fight the evil federal government, many in the military would sympathize with the militias and refuse to fight them or perhaps even join them. That, in their minds, would limit the effectiveness of the military. I have read so much in the comments section on the Fox News website.
>>>>Did the U.S. Government ever officially recognize the Confederate States Of America? Their armies were militias that won several battles against the U.S. armed forces.
No, the US Government didn't recognize the CSA, hence the Civil War. And while there were militias and guerilla bands on both sides, especially in the Trans-Mississippi and Far West theaters of the war, the bulk of the CSA military were traditionally organized armies, led by some of the best and brightest American military commanders who resigned from their positions with the federal army to join the Confederacy and take up arms against their former colleagues, many of whom they had fought side by side with in the Mexican War and Indian Wars. That is part of the reason why the Union army allowed the Confederate army to surrender with full military honor at the end of hostilities.
HA! Boots on the ground is so 30 years ago. Drones, satellites, missiles, bunker busters, air superiority would smoosh them little wolverines and their 50 cal. arsenals. You would have pockets of domestic terrorists hiding in the hills. They would be eradicated with precision. Silly hypothetical. The federal government knows everything about you, where you are and how to kill you. "militias" are simply clubs these days. Not our lauded founding fathers. I might not like the power our government has, but it is true militias would not have a chance these days. Its a different time than almost all the examples in this thread.
Americans who would form a militia to stand up against our military and law enforcement would get annihilated.
On the other hand, most people I know who have built up a large stockade of weapons seem to idolize the military and law enforcement as well, so I’m not sure who they think they’ll be going up against.
>>>>so I’m not sure who they think they’ll be going up against.
Its strange, isn't it? Most of those militia types see the federal government as the bad guys and make a distinction between them and local and state government (just as what happened in the Civil War). That dynamic played out somewhat in the Malheur Wildlife Refuge occupation last year. Local law enforcement out in that part of the state was criticized for being too cozy with the occupiers and then the Feds showed up in force. In particular, there were concerns about the Sheriff of nearby Grant County, who was publicly sympathetic to the occupiers. In fact, the occupiers were on their way to meet that sheriff when the feds stopped their convoy and Roy Finicum was killed. During the operation, the feds made a point to not coordinate with the Grant County Sheriff and kept him in the dark as to tactical operations.
Anyway, many on the extreme right believe that deep down, many if not most of the people in the military and local law enforcement share their views and values and would refuse to fight for the federal government against their fellow patriots.
slacker- you don't need to speak for me. And you are way off. This was a hypothetical and I stated that militias would not stand a chance against our military today. Israel? Bombing liberals? Cant see where you got that. Maybe stick to one line questions you think are funny. Have a nice day.
Damn, AJ is a gorgeous woman (on the outside at least)
Bucky and Ken bring up an interesting point about who would be fighting whom in this hypothetical scenario. The idea of a militia is sound but it fails in practice these days in our (U.S) situation. Imo.
Anyway, many on the extreme right believe that deep down, many if not most of the people in the military and local law enforcement share their views and values and would refuse to fight for the federal government against their fellow patriots. <<<
Have also heard this sentiment expressed ... and depending upon the circumstances, perhaps some do jump ship or simply refuse orders they believe are immoral. However, I believe this would have to happen at the very outset of any major civil conflict, otherwise it probably becomes increasingly difficult to steer the ship away from it's trajectory.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ________ Heybrochacho
on Tuesday, October 3, 2017 – 09:16 pm
Give us some examples
Give us some examples
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Tuesday, October 3, 2017 – 09:19 pm
What percentage of the 4
What percentage of the 4 branches are liberal?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D. Portland_ken
on Tuesday, October 3, 2017 – 09:37 pm
I have seen "Red Dawn" a few
I have seen "Red Dawn" a few times and saw how a band of rural Colorado high school kids with a few stolen assault rifles can hole up in the hills and keep an entire Russian and Cuban army at bay for months on end.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: AK Dread Ras Tim
on Tuesday, October 3, 2017 – 09:57 pm
The Taliban/ISIS have been
The Taliban/ISIS have been surviving for years against the US military.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: smiley 73guy
on Tuesday, October 3, 2017 – 10:22 pm
Mujahedin held off the
Mujahedin held off the Soviets with little more than ak47s for years.
Granted, they finally drove them out with the help of our stinger missiles, but they held firm for years with little more than small arms.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Brnxeyed (frmrlr)
on Tuesday, October 3, 2017 – 10:23 pm
from comment section:
from comment section: Roseanne Cash: the NRA funds Domestic Terrorism (has link)
"The New York Times is doing what it does best: Playing to its anti-gun crowd. Kids, tell yourselves what you want, but you will NEVER get our guns. I advise you not to try."
Is this what you speak of, it always makes me feel safe. ;-) ;-)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GravyTrain Gravytrain
on Tuesday, October 3, 2017 – 10:38 pm
Wolverines!
Wolverines!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha Slickrock
on Tuesday, October 3, 2017 – 10:44 pm
The a-holes at the Malheur
The a-holes at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge? The Bundy clan? That ilk?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GravyTrain Gravytrain
on Tuesday, October 3, 2017 – 10:45 pm
Slacker Knotesau on Monday,
Slacker Knotesau on Monday, October 2, 2017 – 04:38 pm
>>>>leads to despair
So do your threads, but I always post in them.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rusty Rusty
on Tuesday, October 3, 2017 – 11:02 pm
a militia would have a
a militia would have a chance against the U.S. military..
Uh, no.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D. Portland_ken
on Tuesday, October 3, 2017 – 11:36 pm
The US Military has never
The US Military has never lost a conventional war. It's track record with guerilla war has been more spotty. Those militias of half starving Somalis gave some of our most elite troops a run for the money back in 1993.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ________ Heybrochacho
on Tuesday, October 3, 2017 – 11:40 pm
"people"
"people"
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee Herbal Dave
on Wednesday, October 4, 2017 – 04:30 am
Did the U.S. Government ever
Did the U.S. Government ever officially recognize the Confederate States Of America? Their armies were militias that won several battles against the U.S. armed forces.
Also, the CSA was plagued by a successful Unionist uprising in Southeast Mississippi in 1863-1865 led by soldiers who had deserted the Confederacy and runaway slaves, as chronicled in the recent movie, "The Free State Of Jones".
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee Herbal Dave
on Wednesday, October 4, 2017 – 04:31 am
Did the U.S. Government ever
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Wednesday, October 4, 2017 – 09:44 am
Those militias of Viet Cong
The Viet Cong gave some of our most elite troops a run for their money back in 1960 to 1974. They're still there and we're gone.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees FaceOnMars
on Wednesday, October 4, 2017 – 10:38 am
The Viet Cong gave some of
The Viet Cong gave some of our most elite troops a run for their money back in 1960 to 1974. They're still there and we're gone.<<<
The omitted, but implicit assumption was intended to reflect a domestic militia.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Pipe Slingin' Redneck
on Wednesday, October 4, 2017 – 11:40 am
In every instance noted here,
In every instance noted here, including Vietnam, the US military was limited in it's response.
Our military does one thing better than any military on Earth and that is completely destroy the enemy.
We could have triumphed in Vietnam if we were allowed to use the full power of the US arsenal. However, that would have led to Vietnam being uninhabitable for years.
The US military is only at a disadvantage when held back. If unleashed to it's full potential, we could fuck up everything on the planet.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D. Portland_ken
on Wednesday, October 4, 2017 – 12:11 pm
>>>the US military is only at
>>>the US military is only at a disadvantage when held back. If unleashed to it's full potential, we could fuck up everything on the planet.
>>>What percentage of the 4 branches are liberal?
I think Slacker's point is that there is at least a perception by some that if civil disorder ever broke out and the militias took to the hills to fight the evil federal government, many in the military would sympathize with the militias and refuse to fight them or perhaps even join them. That, in their minds, would limit the effectiveness of the military. I have read so much in the comments section on the Fox News website.
>>>>Did the U.S. Government ever officially recognize the Confederate States Of America? Their armies were militias that won several battles against the U.S. armed forces.
No, the US Government didn't recognize the CSA, hence the Civil War. And while there were militias and guerilla bands on both sides, especially in the Trans-Mississippi and Far West theaters of the war, the bulk of the CSA military were traditionally organized armies, led by some of the best and brightest American military commanders who resigned from their positions with the federal army to join the Confederacy and take up arms against their former colleagues, many of whom they had fought side by side with in the Mexican War and Indian Wars. That is part of the reason why the Union army allowed the Confederate army to surrender with full military honor at the end of hostilities.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee Herbal Dave
on Wednesday, October 4, 2017 – 12:27 pm
Slacker has a point?
Slacker has a point?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Fly Fly
on Wednesday, October 4, 2017 – 12:48 pm
HA! Boots on the ground is so
HA! Boots on the ground is so 30 years ago. Drones, satellites, missiles, bunker busters, air superiority would smoosh them little wolverines and their 50 cal. arsenals. You would have pockets of domestic terrorists hiding in the hills. They would be eradicated with precision. Silly hypothetical. The federal government knows everything about you, where you are and how to kill you. "militias" are simply clubs these days. Not our lauded founding fathers. I might not like the power our government has, but it is true militias would not have a chance these days. Its a different time than almost all the examples in this thread.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: JP (J Bomb) Tatters
on Wednesday, October 4, 2017 – 12:48 pm
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bucky Badger On Wisconsin
on Wednesday, October 4, 2017 – 12:59 pm
Americans who would form a
Americans who would form a militia to stand up against our military and law enforcement would get annihilated.
On the other hand, most people I know who have built up a large stockade of weapons seem to idolize the military and law enforcement as well, so I’m not sure who they think they’ll be going up against.
It doesn’t seem to be a well thought out plan.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Wednesday, October 4, 2017 – 01:05 pm
Fly thinks we are Israel and
Fly thinks we are Israel and we'll just blow up whole buildings of Americans that aren't liberal.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D. Portland_ken
on Wednesday, October 4, 2017 – 01:37 pm
>>>>so I’m not sure who they
>>>>so I’m not sure who they think they’ll be going up against.
Its strange, isn't it? Most of those militia types see the federal government as the bad guys and make a distinction between them and local and state government (just as what happened in the Civil War). That dynamic played out somewhat in the Malheur Wildlife Refuge occupation last year. Local law enforcement out in that part of the state was criticized for being too cozy with the occupiers and then the Feds showed up in force. In particular, there were concerns about the Sheriff of nearby Grant County, who was publicly sympathetic to the occupiers. In fact, the occupiers were on their way to meet that sheriff when the feds stopped their convoy and Roy Finicum was killed. During the operation, the feds made a point to not coordinate with the Grant County Sheriff and kept him in the dark as to tactical operations.
Anyway, many on the extreme right believe that deep down, many if not most of the people in the military and local law enforcement share their views and values and would refuse to fight for the federal government against their fellow patriots.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Johnny D skudebro
on Wednesday, October 4, 2017 – 01:46 pm
As long as the militants are
As long as the militants are white 'Mericans, the govt is going to have a hard time dealing with them.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D. Portland_ken
on Wednesday, October 4, 2017 – 02:00 pm
Wonder what ever happened to
Wonder what ever happened to these guys exercising their Second Amendment rights?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Fly Fly
on Wednesday, October 4, 2017 – 02:29 pm
slacker- you don't need to
slacker- you don't need to speak for me. And you are way off. This was a hypothetical and I stated that militias would not stand a chance against our military today. Israel? Bombing liberals? Cant see where you got that. Maybe stick to one line questions you think are funny. Have a nice day.
Damn, AJ is a gorgeous woman (on the outside at least)
Bucky and Ken bring up an interesting point about who would be fighting whom in this hypothetical scenario. The idea of a militia is sound but it fails in practice these days in our (U.S) situation. Imo.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees FaceOnMars
on Wednesday, October 4, 2017 – 02:43 pm
Anyway, many on the extreme
Anyway, many on the extreme right believe that deep down, many if not most of the people in the military and local law enforcement share their views and values and would refuse to fight for the federal government against their fellow patriots. <<<
Have also heard this sentiment expressed ... and depending upon the circumstances, perhaps some do jump ship or simply refuse orders they believe are immoral. However, I believe this would have to happen at the very outset of any major civil conflict, otherwise it probably becomes increasingly difficult to steer the ship away from it's trajectory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valkyrie_(film)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Alias botb
on Wednesday, October 4, 2017 – 05:17 pm
from comment section:
from comment section: Roseanne Cash: the NRA funds Domestic Terrorism (has link
Wait, THAT Roseanne Cash?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: An organ grinder’s tune Turtle
on Wednesday, October 4, 2017 – 05:32 pm
thom has a gun and a
thom has a gun and a motorcycle.