One thing I find infuriating about "voting"

Senate GOP would likely never vote to convict/remove regardless of the transgression(s) so here we are now. First things first, tRump is holding up the latest stimulus effort due to some election security/vote-by-mail funding that he will said he absolutely will not sign to implement. As our poltical environment continues to erode, dont be fooled by the ongoing election year antics played by both sides of this shitshow.

Pretty much. Do you have a better solution or approach that they take to keep ConDon in check? Inquiries and investigations cannot go on or stay open indefinitely....oh yea, except for stuff like "Benghazi".

>> Do you have a better solution or approach that they take to keep ConDon in check? ,

Yes....VOTE HIM OUT.

I get that and am not defending anything. Apparently, for better or worse, political partisanship rules the day and I guess the heavy lifting (or easiest path to removal) is being left to voters. IMO, DEMs have been treading too lightly on oversight but have seemed to largely given up which, I completely agree, does go against their role and job description(s).

Yes, Ned, I think he definitely has to go too and am exponentially motivated by asshandles like DeVos, Pompeo, Barr, Pence, et al

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Well, it's the only real solution.

I felt Pelosi was in a situation with Ukraine like many governors were with COVID back in May. She felt like she had to do something or else the FOMs of the world would call her "complicit". Similarly, many governors started "opening up" their economies earlier than recommended because there were going to be lots of restaurants etc going rogue. 

I've said it before and nothing that has/is happening is changing my mind. The only probable path to the change that FOM writes about wanting to happen is armed civil war. It won't change until many feel that they have to kill the opposition, not argue to change minds. For a revolution to succeed, one has to be willing to die for the cause. 

Just had a thought. (Uh-oh.)

What if the people took ballot collection into their own hands and had runs every two days or so to collect ballots and drop them to the local clerk's offices?

Couldn't the local party offices coordinate that? Screw phone banking - collect ballots! The clerks offices can validate them. 

And folks could have voting parties where they offer help to make sure people sign their ballot and do things correctly. 

Take the power people! Don't let someone take it from you. Mobilize!!!!!    

Here in Utah we have no such problems as this reddest of red states had been doing mail-in voting for a while.   

They label that at vote "harvesting" and it's frowned upon.

Here in CO we have secured drop-boxes, so you don't have to rely on the USPS.

Well, since someone's being such a dickhead about things, we may have to test the limits of "harvesting". Let 'em frown. I'm frowning now  about the problem. LOL  

isn't threatening and/or dismantling the postal system during an election considered election tampering?

yeah, maybe pelosi should have him arrested and send him to Aleppo.

Yes, Slick, I used and trusted the long-standing vote-by-mail system in UT but it's funny to NOT hear tRump attack that state or its approach. I believe OR & CO have had it for a long while as well and I particularly like the secure drop-box idea that Ned mentioned @ CO. I lived in the Denver-area (Littleton) in 2015-2016 and liked a lot things about that then fairly balanced state which, for better or worse, has tipped Blue. By the way, I would put money on Hickenlooper for Senate and do not at all see CO keeping Corey Gardner in office. The talking heads still mostly have it listed as "toss-up". NOT. 

Yeah, we have drop boxes in my county in front of the gov'mt office, but I'm not sure about the rest of the state, so I didn't mention it. 

I actually called MSNBC and suggested they get with the SL County Clerk for an interview on how to do it. but haven't seen that happen. 

Oregon has secure drop boxes, too.

Wow. This is not complicated but what a crazy, unnecessary mess. Sometimes it feels like we have a "united" 50 states of different countries competing against being united.

Now Clown Orangeness is admitting he wont agree to USPS funding BECAUSE of his stance against widespread vote-by-mail. I'd wear a ventilator to the polls if I had to in order to help sink this fool.

FOM, Moscow Mitch is not running the Senate according to how it should be run either. For him to simply forego negotiations and leave it up to DEMs to deal with WH reps is a cop-out, despite claiming he does not have the votes. He could help get to a place that would get the necessary votes but at this point it's a coordinated effort to tip things against an agreement and to lean on the very flimsy EO's that tRump put out. Now hey left town for recess and no deal is possible before Labor Day. Mitch tried framing it against DEMs, saying "the voters are watching" and I'd say that they most certainly are indeed.

So it's the dems fault that Republican Senators are traitors. Under Nixon not all but enough put country before party, but in 2020 the Republicans have completely eradicated shame. The only thing they stand for is staying in power, and if democracy and the constitution gets in the way of that - well it was nice while it lasted. 

Pretty much and it's terrible for the country and its moving forward or even holding steady. Now we sadly know that Jack Shit happens when things run afoul or the lines get blurred or erased between the separation of powers. It seems like the SCOTUS should be pointing to those rules and boundaries but it sits idle on its collective ass, waiting for cases to meander their way to it, only to pick & choose which ones it wants to entertain. 

^ or push them back down to appellate.

>> By the way, I would put money on Hickenlooper for Senate and do not at all see CO keeping Corey Gardner in office <<

Not even GOPers like Gardner. But, boy are they spending a lot of money on ads. Hick is iconic, though. He represents Colorado's economic expansion through him simultaneously being a keystone in the redevelopment of LoDo and helping blaze the trail in craft beer. Then, managing the weed legalization. Hell, we should have our own Mt. Rushmore with three Hickenlooper heads. That said, he is a little goofy.

FOM

face on earth?

I can't believe all of the hubub of the post office not being able to handle the election.  Your ballot is a letter, they deliver billions of letters every day.  This is all another distraction.  I think the MSM is just worried about missing out on the revenue from the minute by minute coverage of election day.  It's going to be harder to tally the votes when they are all coming in by mail.  Just wake me up when it's all over.

Trump has already admitted publicly that he reorganized the USPS in order to slow the mail and interfere with the vote. Sorting machines have been removed from a number of POs. Several states have prohibited adding any new secure drop boxes. New overtime rules require that mail left unsorted at the end of a shift will not be sorted and delivered but left in the bin.

The fix has been in place for months 

I get packages all the time. For years I’ve been tracking them through the Rochester hub. Lately they go to Albany to Springfield then Rochester. Plus they sit for days without movement in Springfield. Stuff that used to take a few days now takes weeks 

Yea but packages and letters move at a different speed.   The package volume has gone up tremendously since covid.  Clerks are calling in sick left and right.  The problem most districts don't want to pay overtime anymore which is what the majority of the clerks that aren't regulars rely on to pay their bills. 

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It is being reported (via Twitter, pic below) that USPS mail drop boxes are being removed in Eugene, OR. I wonder if the same is happening in Provo, UT or CO Springs, CO (LOL). USPS employees are also raising flags that mail sorting machines are being removed from sort facilities while the new tRumpeter head of USPS is in close and regular contact with ConDon (another Oval Office meting the other day) and "top GOP officials". This whackjob is really off his rocker.

While I think that much of what is going on with the USPS is politically motivated, I also think that the USPS needs a serious overhaul. The union in place at USPS might be the most powerful union in the world and has over the years negotiated some amazing perks for their members that has been a major factor in the monetary crunch they are in now. A perfect example is my uncle Robert. A true hippy, he took me to my first shows including my first GD show, he worked at the bulk mail center in Kearny, NJ for years. Overtime rules allowed him to an amazing amount of accumulated sick, vacation and he was able to defer payment of overtime (up to 5x regular pay) into unused paid days. He retired about 5 mins after his pension was fully vested (110 percent of his final pay plus annual cost of living increases) and with his above accumulation the Post Office had to cut him a check for almost 11 years full pay. Even he said it was obscene but since it was available to him, he took it and ran to California. Those sorts of things need to be eliminated, for sure. . 

skifurthur, what you have described and seem to have a beef with describes nearly every public pension out there. Conservatives tend to work to protect and fund those generous pensions for cops, firefighters, DHS, etc while progressives tend to try to protect and fund them of teachers, librarians, and the like. DEM govts (Blue cities and states) maintain cozy relationships with unions for the political/campaign support while in return push/allow for more generous pensions for members while GOP/conservatives tend to be anti-union to please their billionaire handlers whom want no regulation or labor laws at all. It's a mess but the results are fairly easy to see, with KY being a mixed outlier and near the top of unfunded state pension systems. Public pensions have become a politically motivated bonus structure. For example, Scott Walker, former Governor of WI, pushed to kill *all* public pension systems but then pulled a late-game savior for state troopers (his security detail) and those of a few select other groups, not including prison guards and definitely not teachers....and around around it goes.

>>>Then, managing the weed legalization.<<<

https://www.denverpost.com/2012/09/12/colorado-gov-john-hickenlooper-opp...

I'll still vote for him<<<

Exactly - Hickenlooper deserves more than he may have been praised for BECAUSE he did oppose it, did not personally vote for it (according to him), but realized and respected the will of the voters and his role as Governor while setting aside his own views on what had clearly passed. He engaged with the U.S. AG to see what was feasible and what his options were. He could have simply veto'd it but did not and instead worked towards functional legal Canna alongside an associated market/industry. We need more politicians like him to put their personal views aside and truly represent We The People.  

"But the post office has been stolen
And the mailbox is locked
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end"