Not a Freak Accident
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The Alec Baldwin fatal prop gun shooting was not a freak accident - it was either due to lax safety measures on the set aka an accident waiting to happen - or a disgruntled worker who walked off the set and wanted to 'protest' the lack of safety protocols, IMO
Horrible tragedy, and criminal - either way.
Looking forward to seeing the results of a through investigation and major changes to the industry.
prop guns should be props, not actual guns and certainly never any live ammunition.
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Source, please.
Source?
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https://www.reuters.com/world
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/alec-baldwin-fired-prop-gun-that-killed...
>Hutchins died of her wounds and Souza was injured but has since been released from a local hospital.
The assistant director who handed Baldwin the prop gun did not know it contained live rounds, the affidavit by Santa Fe Sheriff's Department Detective Joel Cano said.
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She said, IMO.
She said, IMO.
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The guy that handed a hot gun
The guy that handed a hot gun to Alec telling him it was a cold gun, there's your guilty/incompetent party. Fuck violence in movies, that's where real life assoles get their ideas from.
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Possibly, the investigators
^ Possibly, the investigators need to establish who else handled that 'prop' gun and establish chain of custody. They have yet to rule out foul play (no pun intended).
I'm guessing that the movie will never get made and that Alec Baldwin will retire. And there will be some sort of criminal prosecution in this case.
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"The movie [that] will never
"The movie [that] will never get made," in question... a Western starring Alec Baldwin..?
This film was doomed before it began.
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Source?
Source?
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Clint Eastwood pretty much
Clint Eastwood pretty much closed the door on Westerns about thirty years back with a little movie called Unforgiven. Something tells me a netflix movie by Alec Baldwin wasn't about to reinvent the genre.
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Not to say there haven't been
Not to say there haven't been some incredible modern Westerns. Look no further than Wind River.
Again, just not too sure about your neutered revisionist films here with the made-for-TV and the liberal propaganda and whatnot.
Maybe it would've at least landed an Emmy nom?
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The 3;10 To Yuma remake came
The 3;10 To Yuma remake came out after The Untorgiven. It was a solid Oater. Does DiCaprio's The Revenant count as a Western?
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I doubt we've seen the last
I doubt we've seen the last of Alec Baldwin. There will always be directors like Quentin Tarentino and John Waters willing to use actors with scandalous pasts.
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Some shooters like to say
Some shooters like to say there are no accidental gunshots - it's either intentional or it's negligent. Lots of negligence in this case. And if I was on the jury the blame goes on the one who pulled the trigger, no matter what someone else told him about the gun.
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i really doubt that Baldwin
i really doubt that Baldwin is the guilty party here. Yes he fired the shot, but it was someone else's job to ensure it was cold. Baldwin, however, may have some legal liability (doubtfully criminal) as an associate producer.
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Was the woman shot by Baldwin
Was the woman shot by Baldwin an actor in a scene being rehearsed, or was she off on the sideline and Alec was just being a total asshole ?
Unrelated, but from today's front page, a story so familiar the shock factor all but gone.
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Guns aren't props.
Guns aren't props.
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Victim was cinematographer
Victim was cinematographer
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>>And if I was on the jury
>>And if I was on the jury the blame goes on the one who pulled the trigger, no matter what someone else told him about the gun.
I don't know about that. It's a film set with a full crew with professional props people, there to make sure everything is kosher. It's the actor's job to pull the trigger, and someone else's job to make sure that it's safe to do so.
If, at a concert, a lighting rig falls on someone because of the negligence of a crew person, then should the band members assume culpability and do jail time?
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Don't worry, Margie Three
Don't worry, Margie Three Names and Donnie, jr. will get to the bottom of it.
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why would there have been a
why would there have been a live round at all on the set?
strange.
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I just read that a number of
I just read that a number of cast and crew were using live rounds in those guns earlier that day, to plink cans. However, when it was handed to Balwin it was deemed as "cold," meaning not loaded.
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those fucking things should
those fucking things should have been cgi for at least a decade now
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>If, at a concert, a lighting
>If, at a concert, a lighting rig falls on someone..
hmm.
if a guitar tech hands the musician an tuned guitar and then it plays out of tune and shoots death lasers at the audience, is the musician responsible or the guitar tech?
Or is the person who took the guitar without the guitar tech's knowledge and modified it to shoot death lasers the one responsible?
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>>>Was the woman shot by
>>>Was the woman shot by Baldwin an actor in a scene being rehearsed, or was she off on the sideline<<<
The woman was an assistant director, and I heard (which is how all of these chats begin) that they were rehearsing/blocking a scene where Baldwin was aiming the gun toward the camera and the woman & the main director were standing behind the camera to line up the proper angle.
>>> a number of cast and crew were using live rounds in those guns earlier that day, to plink cans<<<
That's the only thing that makes any sense as to why live rounds would be anywhere near a gun being used in a movie. The idea that someone purposely "dosed" the gun is ridiculous, something that would happen in a bad Colombo episode.
At this point it sounds like an unbelievable fuckup on the part of the 24-year-old girl responsible for the weapons being used. But then, it also sounds like that young woman was not particularly well-trained (obviously) so I suppose a mistake was waiting to happen. 24 year-olds will fuck up a coffee order, and she was in charge of the weapons.
She, anyone else who was directly responsible for the weapons, and possibly whoever put a young, untrained person in that vitally important position are going to pay for this. But even if Baldwin is involved in why a kid was in that position, he won't go down hard. He's rich and powerful, and how often do those folks go down hard?
A horrible tragedy, due to negligence/incompetence, but it's a bit like plane crashes, which almost never happen despite the millions of miles flown every day.
I believe this type of "prop mistake" has only happened two or three times, and when you consider how often guns are used in TV and the movies that's a microscopically low number.
This was a freak accident. Tragic and avoidable, but an accident just the same.
Shit DOES happen, and no matter how much we expect everything to be just exactly perfect, life IS like a box of chocolates.
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At the very least an
At the very least an avoidable accident = criminal negligence.
I still think the timing with the Union threatening to strike is just too coincidental.
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From what I read they only
From what I read they only use guns with blanks on low budget films these days. On anything high budget they add the gun noise in post. Apparently the gun with live ammo ended up in the prop gun case. Baldwin was just doing his job which was to get a gun out of the prog gun case point at the camera and shoot.
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Somebody directed.
Somebody directed.
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Make A Western Where They
Make Some Westerns Where They Mine/Prospect For Gold and Silver and Have Fistfights In Saloons Throw In Some Romance and Not Have Guns
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>>>the Union threatening to
>>>the Union threatening to strike is just too coincidental<<<
Too coincidental?
Maybe the threat to strike was in part because 24-year-old amateurs were being used in important roles, but I seriously doubt that some disgruntled union member snuck in and put a live bullet in the gun, just to make a point.
>>>get a gun out of the prog gun case<<<
I thought I heard that it's someone's job, in this case it wasn't the 24-year-old, to hand the gun to the actor and tell them it's "cold" or not. In other words, there are supposed to be multiple checks on the weapon before it's put into the actors hand, so even if an evil unioner loaded the gun, that should have been caught before it was put into Baldwin's hand.
Bottom line is that likely more than one person was negligent, and I suppose the negligence was criminal, considering the deadly serious nature of real guns, but it was still a tragic accident.
How long should someone go to jail for a situation like this?
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How long?
How long?
As much time as other fatal gun 'accidents' - which isn't very much. when I read about negligent adults leaving unsecured loaded weapons in the home or car that result in deadly shootings I never understand why they rarely get jail time.
Of course this workplace incident isn't the same. There might not be jail time but Civil suits could bankrupt Alec Baldwin and his production company
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Shit DOES happen
Shit DOES happen
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Civil suits could bankrupt
Civil suits could bankrupt
Alec Baldwin andhis production company.Yeah, whatever happens, I don't think he'll be eating at Sizzler any time soon.
Unless he likes that Texas Toast.
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It was completely preventable
It was completely preventable, so not a freak accident...call it an “incident” and we'll see what the investigation shows and and how the DA proceeds.
there is no question that basic industry protocols were violated, 'Colombo' and the actual investigators aren't ruling anything out just yet.
I don't see how Baldwin will recover from this incident, professionally and personally
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From someone I know who is
From someone I know who is currently on a movie set, her partner is a prop guy. They're union members
> He had 2 failures : 1) as one of the producers, when the team of union members walked out he should have made sure he knew why 2) when someone hands you a firearm on set as an actor, you should ask them to show you what’s in it before you take it in your hand.
The primary responsible folks it seems so far are the AD that handed it to him and the non union armorer who gave it to the AD. But he needed to also check it himself every time as the one holding it- I would and I teach actors to insist on this.
The industry culture needs reform. That’s why IATSE was so close to a strike.
The MAGA cultists can go fuck themselves. This has nothing to do with Baldwin’s politics. And a woman is dead FOR NO REASON. Fuck them.
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Nancy knows all about this
Nancy knows all about this stuff.
And gymnastics.
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Where can I get one of those
Where can I get one of those death laser guitars?
Then I would join GE Smith's band to gig the 2024 GOP convention.
I would unleash the kraken with a mighty Dark Star.*
*for entertainment purposes only.
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Nancy has opinions on this
Yes, for entertainment purposes only ^ lol
Nancy has opinions on this stuff in the news. And yes, a bit of experience and some friends and family in the biz to offer their opionins when I ask.
Still got your panties in a TWIST, I see, Bss.
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Wait, who's bringing politics
Wait, who's bringing politics into this? Did DJT finally shoot someone on Fifth Ave.?
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Trump Junior is..
Trump Junior and The Cult are making this political. They despise Baldwin for his criticism and portrayal of their Cult Leader
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/disgusting-if-real
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All accents are preventable.
All accidents are preventable. Accident, incident, whatever one wants to call it, somebody/s screwed up and the cost in this case was the highest.
Deadly accidents happen every day, all the time. Sometimes people are held accountable for negligence, sometimes not, but we only hear about a tiny amount of them. IMO if this didn't involve a big star, especially with the big star firing the gun, we would barely have heard about it, and we wouldn't be talking about it. And certainly the damned politicians wouldn't be sticking their publicity-hound noses into it.
Should Baldwin have checked the gun? Makes sense to me, but there probably isn't a specific regulation or rule about that. There are two people who are supposed to be doing that, and they're the ones who fucked this up. It's hard to see how Baldwin goes down legally, but yeah, he's probably pretty much finished as a front-of-camera celebrity.
What I don't quite understand, which isn't surprising since I know nothing about guns, is that this was a western, so the gun must have been a revolver. Isn't it pretty easy to see if those have ammo in them just by looking at them? Apparently not.
As for Nancy & her opinions, her friend said what just about everyone has been saying.
And I'll take her opinions on gymnastics, as I do believe her husband was a big-time gymnast, and he would know what he's talking about there.
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I sense a bit of Western
I sense a bit of Western Elitism in this thread.
Just an observation.
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So many conflicting statement about the incident.
The inexperienced 24 year old armor's account is dubious.
Curious about the facts concerning live ammo on the set.
https://www.newsweek.com/alec-baldwin-prop-gun-rust-hannah-gutierrez-ree...
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Her JOB was to check weapons
Interesting that the lawyers aren't denying that she knew that there was live ammo on the set, only that she doesn't know how it got there.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/29/entertainment/alec-baldwin-shooting-armor...
>"Safety is Hannah's number one priority on set," reads the statement from attorneys Jason Bowles and Robert Gorence. "Ultimately this set would never have been compromised if live ammo were not introduced. Hannah has no idea where the live rounds came from."
Her JOB was to check weapons immediately before handing the weapon to AD or talent, and to train talent on their right and responsibility to have the person handing them the weapon show them what’s in it every time. Not to check it before lunch and have someone else get it from the truck and not check it again after lunch and then leave it out for a while and let the AD pick it up unchecked and hand it to the actor.
She was incredibly negligent. The reason the protocols are what they are is to ensure sabotage or mistakes can’t get through to the actors hands.
And she totally blew it.
As did the AD. (And ultimately the buck stops w the producers, including Baldwin.)
they all deserve to be charged in the death of Halyna Hutchins.
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You seem neurotically fixated
You seem neurotically fixated on this. Tough week in ad sales?
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Sure, I'm definitely obsessed
Sure, I'm definitely obsessed with knowing what happened. It's my usual mode when I latch onto a topic , if you haven't noticed
btw, I'm not in sales but it has been a great week!
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Check your props.
Check your props.
An actor's SOP. Or should be. Maybe it's different for films.
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Yes, all involved failed to
Yes, all involved failed to check the "prop" being used. We'll have to wait and see what and who the D.A. charges in this deadly "incident" on Wild West set, where all the safety rules were disregarded.