I fully support this Endeavor. Completely Sick of the War on Science, whether it be Climate Change Denial, or the desire to teach Creationism in school as a Science, or the general Disrespect/Disregard for Nerds that can do Math & Science that seems prevalent amongst the rightwingers. Meanwhile, China & India are churning out 10's if not 100's of thousands of Engineers, Mathmeticians, & Scientists, & will leave us in the dust as a 3rd world backwater worshipping Medieval fairy tales . . .
It's almost surreal that in 21st century America there's a need to come out and support science in this way.
I have to believe, deep down, that most on the Right don't actually believe their anti-science party lines. I don 'the know, maybe that makes them even worse than the ignorant.
Whether or not one actually believes in man-made climate change, the fact is that alternative energy is a growth industry. We are literally handing that industry to the Chinese.
My daughter had to declare her major last week, Environmental or Chemical engineering. Environmental is expected to show a 26% growth over the next 20 years, compared to 6% for chemical. Let's not stifle that huge growth with BS politics!
>>>>>>> I have to believe, deep down, that most on the Right don't actually believe their anti-science party lines.
Um, no, they really do deep down believe their Party line that it's a Conspiracy by 97% of the world's scientists to impose a World Government. It's such utter Bullshit it makes my head spin. And those 97% of scientists & engineers are deep down "conservative" in an old school Ike Eisenhauer way, and consider that type of Wingnut extreme fringe politics (on either side) to be the purview of Charlatans, Fools, & the Insane.
>>>>>>> My daughter had to declare her major last week, Environmental or Chemical engineering. Environmental is expected to show a 26% growth over the next 20 years, compared to 6% for chemical.
My experience (although in the early 1980's) was that Environmental engineering was thin on the basics (math, science, properties of materials, chemical processes, etc, etc, etc). I majored in Civil & took many specialty classes in Structural and Environmental. If she/you are concerned about landing a well paying job quickly & holding qualifications for subsequent career advancement (who isn't?), I'd suggest majoring in something practical like Chemical and minoring in Environmental. The Environmental stuff I learned in school paid off much later in my career when I started doing Project Engineering/ Project Management and dealt with site contamination and wetland/environmental resource permitting issues. But I would have never gotten there without an entry level job designing highways for 8 years . . .
Let's be honest, this is just another anti-Trump protest. It has very little to with "science" other than academics being scared of losing their federal funding.
And I'd suggest that if you want to convince people that your "science" isn't agenda driven you should find a better way to demonstrate that then by politicizing the topic.
The left is all for "science" that promotes their agenda, not so much if it doesn't. That's what this is all about, and a little honesty would be refreshing but it certainly isn't expected.
Really Thom? The LEFT has Politicized Science? What Planet do you live on?
You do realize Thom that the US Military, in particular the Navy, is HUGELY concerned about climate change (the navy in particular about sea level rise as ALL their bases are highly vulnerable) and are fighting the current Idiot administration's proposals to cut climate change research?
Thom, if you really want to be taken seriously, here's some Basic questions you should have learned in high school, can you give some broadly general answers w/o reverting to Google or Wikipedia:
Biology: Explain the structure of DNA, and how it functions in the reproductive process
Chemistry: Explain the general arrangement and layout of the Periodic Table of the Elements
Physics: Explain the 3 equations that define the basic Newtonian Laws of Motion, including ID-ing what the letters stand for.
You can mainly blame the BANANA's in Fairfield County for that (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything). They are still fighting expanding I-84 to 3 lanes from Waterbury to the NY border, and that's not even in their county (and would in fact divert traffic AWAY from I-95 & the Merritt Pkwy, which ARE in their county).
I will say our trains are pretty nice now, especially compared to Phila (SEPTA), which are downright 3rd World.
Thom, you seem uninformed for a librarian. Both sides make it political because that's the arena where laws are written or repealed. Yes it is largely a protest against the actions of the Trump administration because they are poised to greatly harm the environment for financial gain.
The real scientists have been all over news outlets the past couple days. Hardly a lefty-only political event.
Several I saw were talking mostly about how disturbing it is that such a significant portion of Americans cannot grasp what a fact is and have instead accepted the whole notion of alternative facts.
What ever the fuck those are.
The same crowd that thinks jesus is a white european cant handle evolution, earth/galaxy time lines, fossils, DNA research conclusions, and deep space discoveries - which support each other with more data each year - because it clashes with old testament myth and negates their poisonous form of religion. Funny most Jewish people I am friends with see the old testy as stories and analogy while the evangels think it is the handbook of life.
I had a relative who thinks the earth is 6,000 years old told me that I was just an elitist who doesn't respect "alt. facts", yes she said it. I didn't bother because you just cannot fix this.
Just because some baboon claims that SEPTA trains don't meet their 'scientific standards' proves nothing at all in the light of Real-World data. They actually run quite on-time and have space for bicycles on board.
Transit and parking prices are a bargain in comparison to other NE corridor rail lines.
That's reality data, not 'Planet Of The Apes' hoo-ha.
My son is doing Mechanical Engineering, which seems to be the broadest. He's actually finishing up a year-long co-op with the largest injection mo,ding company in the world, where he designed a nozzle and coded the robot. He says that it's more electrical, but the mechanical background is really broad and gave him the skills.
I guess my daughter decided on Environmental. It's her passion. She's also at a better engineering school than her brother. I also learned that a female coming out of a decent school tends to get good jobs because there are so few in the field.
Either way, she'll do a hell of a lot better than me, an educator. Maybe they will open an engineering firm together. That would be cute.
MIT’s Kerry Emanuel, as mainstream as they come in climate science (Al Gore references his work) warned: “Scientists are most effective when they provide sound, impartial advice, but their reputation for impartiality is severely compromised by the shocking lack of political diversity among American academics, who suffer from the kind of group-think that develops in cloistered cultures. Until this profound and well-documented intellectual homogeneity changes, scientists will be suspected of constituting a leftist think tank.”
Thom would not take my Science test. Guess I was right, his parents SHIRLEY did waste their $$$$ on his Prep school Education. F-in Preppies, worse than Preppers . . ..
>>>>>>> I also learned that a female coming out of a decent school tends to get good jobs because there are so few in the field.
As I told our design team last year, as we prepared for a presentation to the chief engineer, a Notorious Groper type: "It Doesn't Hurt to Bring a Skirt"
The gender advantage in hiring for female engineers works for males in other areas where females are the majority like education.
I was at an employment seminar for ed majors as we were finishing up and my advisor who was running the meeting mentioned me and the five other males in the room as "they will have no trouble getting a position".
My daughter got a sweet scholarship at a fancy college in part because of her demographic situation.
This excerpt from a linked article in Thom's link is pretty much what I've been saying for quite a while. And while it's certainly "fashionable" to Hate the Gov't since the days of Reagan (even I've been spit upon, had beer bottles thrown at me, and been hit with paintballs when out on the highway doing my job ie conducting condition surveys of existing situations that require a highway lane closure/etc), this kind of Systematic "Lets Destroy the Government then Complain that It Doesn't Function" is the first step in the End of the US as a Pre-Eminent Power. This kind of shit started happening towards the end of the Roman and Chinese empires. Read up on some history.
What appears to be a war on science by the current Congress and president is, in fact, no such thing. Fundamentally, it is a war on government. To be more specific, it is a war on a form of government with which science has become deeply aligned and allied over the past century. To the disparate wings of the conservative movement that believe that US strength lies in its economic freedoms, its individual liberties, and its business enterprises, one truth binds them all: the federal government has become far too powerful.
Science is, for today’s conservatives, an instrument of federal power. They attack science’s forms of truth-making, its databases, and its budgets not out of a rejection of either science or truth, but as part of a coherent strategy to weaken the power of the federal agencies that rely on them. Put simply, they war on science to sap the legitimacy of the federal government. Mistaking this for a war on science could lead to bad tactics, bad strategy, and potentially disastrous outcomes for both science and democracy.
For conservatives, the enemy is not science itself but the further expansion of powerful, centralized, science-informed government. For them it’s as much a crisis moment as it is for climate scientists: win now or lose the war for another century.
Also, I really doubt that many scientists are that Obsessed with "losing their funding". I've been an engineer and a mid level manager of engineers and have worked with Academia on many different types of "R&D" projects, and I can attest that the true "Eggheads" that do the Real work are VERY "absent minded" in the Stereotypical manner & couldn't care or know where their paycheck is coming from. Fortunately for me, I destroyed enough of my brain doing Rugs @ GD shows to have become Dumb enough to be an effective Project/Program Manager and thus to have concerns about such things as budgets, schedules, priorities, end results, etc, etc. And there are very few Unemployed Tech Savvy folks out there (I've always Mentored the Young 'Un's: "If Yer Good @ Math, The World Is Your Oyster"), so there'll always be another study/project just around the corner if something you're working on has the plug pulled, altho there is always an Emotional investment in it (believe me, I've had the plug pulled on design projects I spent years & years on, in fact, the axe fell on one the same day Jerry died, true story there!).
The religious angle plays too with the 30-40% evangelical base.
1. God is in charge and a micromanager.
2. Jesus is coming back next week so none of this matters anyway. Another golden memory of the G. W. Bush presidency was when he referenced end times talking points. Reagan too was an end times apologist.
From the Guardian:
"President Jacques Chirac wanted to know what the hell President Bush had been on about in their last conversation. Bush had then said that when he looked at the Middle East, he saw "Gog and Magog at work" and the biblical prophecies unfolding. But who the hell were Gog and Magog? Neither Chirac nor his office had any idea. But they knew Bush was an evangelical Christian, so they asked the French Federation of Protestants, who in turn asked Professor Römer.
He explained that Gog and Magog were, to use theological jargon, crazy talk. They appear twice in the Old Testament, once as a name, and once in a truly strange prophecy in the book of Ezekiel...Who are all these people? The best opinion is that like all Bible prophecy, it is a mixture of wish-fulfilment and contemporary (iron age) politics. Some of it at least seems to refer to the turmoil brought about by Alexander the Great in the fourth century BC (unlike Bush, Alexander actually conquered Afghanistan).
But they have been for the last two hundred years the subject of increasingly excited evangelical fanfic, especially in America; in the 70s and 80s, Gog was meant to be Russia. Ronald Reagan seems to have believed that."
The TV preachers and the megachurches pound this claptrap.
Another quote from same article (and yes, Sun Tzu's The Art of War is a really good read):
Know your enemy, Sun Tzu reminds us in The Art of War. Science is in a war, but not the one many think. To avoid costly mistakes, scientists and those who support them need to know and understand the forces in the field.
>>>>>I can attest that the true "Eggheads" that do the Real work are VERY "absent minded" in the Stereotypical manner & couldn't care or know where their paycheck is coming from.
Dunno 'bout that. May be true in R+D/Engineering or in some think tanks, but I worked in academia for 15 years. Every professor who did research had to write their own proposals to get grants from the feds, state, and private industry to continue their studies. Every employee of those professors, such as myself, knew exactly which grants we were working under - we had to put in our distribution of effort reports each month, showing which hours were for which grant account, This was also the case when I was a contractor for the EPA. We also knew exactly when those grants expired, and when they had to be re-applied for.
Probably difference between Academia & Government (NASA, FEMA, etc). I'd have to think there's quite a lot of Politics involved in obtaining Tenure so yeah, Professors are probably a lot more Astute when it comes to affairs of Real Life . . .
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Mentioned in another thread;
Mentioned in another thread; figured it needed its own.
https://www.marchforscience.com/
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I fully support this Endeavor
I fully support this Endeavor. Completely Sick of the War on Science, whether it be Climate Change Denial, or the desire to teach Creationism in school as a Science, or the general Disrespect/Disregard for Nerds that can do Math & Science that seems prevalent amongst the rightwingers. Meanwhile, China & India are churning out 10's if not 100's of thousands of Engineers, Mathmeticians, & Scientists, & will leave us in the dust as a 3rd world backwater worshipping Medieval fairy tales . . .
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It's almost surreal that in
It's almost surreal that in 21st century America there's a need to come out and support science in this way.
I have to believe, deep down, that most on the Right don't actually believe their anti-science party lines. I don 'the know, maybe that makes them even worse than the ignorant.
Whether or not one actually believes in man-made climate change, the fact is that alternative energy is a growth industry. We are literally handing that industry to the Chinese.
My daughter had to declare her major last week, Environmental or Chemical engineering. Environmental is expected to show a 26% growth over the next 20 years, compared to 6% for chemical. Let's not stifle that huge growth with BS politics!
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I am going downtown today for
I am going downtown today for our Science March. Looks like a nice beautiful day for a protest.
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Raining here, but I will be
Raining here, but I will be representing down at the courthouse today.
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My daughter and her college
My daughter and her college friends are on their way to DC as I type...Love your Mother...
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Headed to the state capitol
Headed to the state capitol today.
Happy Earth Day!
Great art from David Fitzsimmons of the Arizona Daily Star.
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>>>>>>> I have to believe,
>>>>>>> I have to believe, deep down, that most on the Right don't actually believe their anti-science party lines.
Um, no, they really do deep down believe their Party line that it's a Conspiracy by 97% of the world's scientists to impose a World Government. It's such utter Bullshit it makes my head spin. And those 97% of scientists & engineers are deep down "conservative" in an old school Ike Eisenhauer way, and consider that type of Wingnut extreme fringe politics (on either side) to be the purview of Charlatans, Fools, & the Insane.
>>>>>>> My daughter had to declare her major last week, Environmental or Chemical engineering. Environmental is expected to show a 26% growth over the next 20 years, compared to 6% for chemical.
My experience (although in the early 1980's) was that Environmental engineering was thin on the basics (math, science, properties of materials, chemical processes, etc, etc, etc). I majored in Civil & took many specialty classes in Structural and Environmental. If she/you are concerned about landing a well paying job quickly & holding qualifications for subsequent career advancement (who isn't?), I'd suggest majoring in something practical like Chemical and minoring in Environmental. The Environmental stuff I learned in school paid off much later in my career when I started doing Project Engineering/ Project Management and dealt with site contamination and wetland/environmental resource permitting issues. But I would have never gotten there without an entry level job designing highways for 8 years . . .
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Let's be honest, this is just
Let's be honest, this is just another anti-Trump protest. It has very little to with "science" other than academics being scared of losing their federal funding.
And I'd suggest that if you want to convince people that your "science" isn't agenda driven you should find a better way to demonstrate that then by politicizing the topic.
The left is all for "science" that promotes their agenda, not so much if it doesn't. That's what this is all about, and a little honesty would be refreshing but it certainly isn't expected.
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Science promotes nothing - it
Science promotes nothing - it's about what is.
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This just in:
This just in:
Studies confirm Thom is a gaping anal pore.
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Ct highways are awful. Nice
Ct highways are awful. Nice job SS
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>>>Studies confirm Thom is a
>>>Studies confirm Thom is a gaping anal pore.
30 days time out for personal attacks. Be better people.
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Really Thom? The LEFT has
Really Thom? The LEFT has Politicized Science? What Planet do you live on?
You do realize Thom that the US Military, in particular the Navy, is HUGELY concerned about climate change (the navy in particular about sea level rise as ALL their bases are highly vulnerable) and are fighting the current Idiot administration's proposals to cut climate change research?
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Thom, if you really want to
Thom, if you really want to be taken seriously, here's some Basic questions you should have learned in high school, can you give some broadly general answers w/o reverting to Google or Wikipedia:
Biology: Explain the structure of DNA, and how it functions in the reproductive process
Chemistry: Explain the general arrangement and layout of the Periodic Table of the Elements
Physics: Explain the 3 equations that define the basic Newtonian Laws of Motion, including ID-ing what the letters stand for.
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“The good thing about science
“The good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it.” -Neil deGrasse Tyson
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>>>>>>> Ct highways are awful
>>>>>>> Ct highways are awful. Nice job SS
You can mainly blame the BANANA's in Fairfield County for that (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything). They are still fighting expanding I-84 to 3 lanes from Waterbury to the NY border, and that's not even in their county (and would in fact divert traffic AWAY from I-95 & the Merritt Pkwy, which ARE in their county).
I will say our trains are pretty nice now, especially compared to Phila (SEPTA), which are downright 3rd World.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQR1r1KTjaE
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Thom, do you think the EPA
Thom, do you think the EPA should be eliminated?
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Thom, you seem uninformed for
Thom, you seem uninformed for a librarian. Both sides make it political because that's the arena where laws are written or repealed. Yes it is largely a protest against the actions of the Trump administration because they are poised to greatly harm the environment for financial gain.
Face it, your body of leaders suck.
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Hey folks, drop the piling on
Hey folks, drop the piling on, trolling, etc. Post about topics.
Respect. Civility. Keep it kind.
Thank you, Viva admin
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The real scientists have been
The real scientists have been all over news outlets the past couple days. Hardly a lefty-only political event.
Several I saw were talking mostly about how disturbing it is that such a significant portion of Americans cannot grasp what a fact is and have instead accepted the whole notion of alternative facts.
What ever the fuck those are.
The same crowd that thinks jesus is a white european cant handle evolution, earth/galaxy time lines, fossils, DNA research conclusions, and deep space discoveries - which support each other with more data each year - because it clashes with old testament myth and negates their poisonous form of religion. Funny most Jewish people I am friends with see the old testy as stories and analogy while the evangels think it is the handbook of life.
I had a relative who thinks the earth is 6,000 years old told me that I was just an elitist who doesn't respect "alt. facts", yes she said it. I didn't bother because you just cannot fix this.
I'll close with a joke...BEN CARSON!
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lol. thom is a mess.
lol. thom is a mess.
i bet he leaves his bitchy mercedes benz to just idle for hours in his McMansion's driveway.
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I thought using science-y
I thought using science-y words instead of the pejorative was keeping it civil.
I apologize.
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Just because some baboon
Just because some baboon claims that SEPTA trains don't meet their 'scientific standards' proves nothing at all in the light of Real-World data. They actually run quite on-time and have space for bicycles on board.
Transit and parking prices are a bargain in comparison to other NE corridor rail lines.
That's reality data, not 'Planet Of The Apes' hoo-ha.
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Sideshow,
Sideshow,
My son is doing Mechanical Engineering, which seems to be the broadest. He's actually finishing up a year-long co-op with the largest injection mo,ding company in the world, where he designed a nozzle and coded the robot. He says that it's more electrical, but the mechanical background is really broad and gave him the skills.
I guess my daughter decided on Environmental. It's her passion. She's also at a better engineering school than her brother. I also learned that a female coming out of a decent school tends to get good jobs because there are so few in the field.
Either way, she'll do a hell of a lot better than me, an educator. Maybe they will open an engineering firm together. That would be cute.
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Brian, if there were no
Brian, if there were no educators there would be no engineers.
Or doctors, lawyers, carpenters...
Be proud.
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MIT’s Kerry Emanuel, as
MIT’s Kerry Emanuel, as mainstream as they come in climate science (Al Gore references his work) warned: “Scientists are most effective when they provide sound, impartial advice, but their reputation for impartiality is severely compromised by the shocking lack of political diversity among American academics, who suffer from the kind of group-think that develops in cloistered cultures. Until this profound and well-documented intellectual homogeneity changes, scientists will be suspected of constituting a leftist think tank.”
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/04/scenes-from-the-science-ma...
Some "science"....
Because you can never say "Hitler!" enough.
Because what do genetics have to do with science?
Science at it's most rigorous!
Nothing political about this at all, absolutely nothing.
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>>>> scientists will be suspected of constituting a leftist think tank.”
YES THANK YOU!!!! I've always suspected the same thing it's great to see my suspicions validated.
Besides dissecting that frog science sucked anyway.
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We were at the NYC march.
We were at the NYC march. Lotta people. Some rain. Science is not a liberal conspiracy....
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Thom would not take my
Thom would not take my Science test. Guess I was right, his parents SHIRLEY did waste their $$$$ on his Prep school Education. F-in Preppies, worse than Preppers . . ..
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>>>>>>> I also learned that a
>>>>>>> I also learned that a female coming out of a decent school tends to get good jobs because there are so few in the field.
As I told our design team last year, as we prepared for a presentation to the chief engineer, a Notorious Groper type: "It Doesn't Hurt to Bring a Skirt"
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The only thing political
The only thing political about the topics in your pics Thom is that the right has and continues to try to ban even research in those topics.
What are they/you afraid of? I suspect like much of the genesis of these fears is contradicting the religion.
Remember when Dubya banned stem cell research for eight years and Asia and Europe jumped ahead?
Good times. And of course not political.
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The gender advantage in
The gender advantage in hiring for female engineers works for males in other areas where females are the majority like education.
I was at an employment seminar for ed majors as we were finishing up and my advisor who was running the meeting mentioned me and the five other males in the room as "they will have no trouble getting a position".
My daughter got a sweet scholarship at a fancy college in part because of her demographic situation.
Information you can use when planning.
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This excerpt from a linked
This excerpt from a linked article in Thom's link is pretty much what I've been saying for quite a while. And while it's certainly "fashionable" to Hate the Gov't since the days of Reagan (even I've been spit upon, had beer bottles thrown at me, and been hit with paintballs when out on the highway doing my job ie conducting condition surveys of existing situations that require a highway lane closure/etc), this kind of Systematic "Lets Destroy the Government then Complain that It Doesn't Function" is the first step in the End of the US as a Pre-Eminent Power. This kind of shit started happening towards the end of the Roman and Chinese empires. Read up on some history.
https://judithcurry.com/2017/04/22/untangling-the-march-for-science/
What appears to be a war on science by the current Congress and president is, in fact, no such thing. Fundamentally, it is a war on government. To be more specific, it is a war on a form of government with which science has become deeply aligned and allied over the past century. To the disparate wings of the conservative movement that believe that US strength lies in its economic freedoms, its individual liberties, and its business enterprises, one truth binds them all: the federal government has become far too powerful.
Science is, for today’s conservatives, an instrument of federal power. They attack science’s forms of truth-making, its databases, and its budgets not out of a rejection of either science or truth, but as part of a coherent strategy to weaken the power of the federal agencies that rely on them. Put simply, they war on science to sap the legitimacy of the federal government. Mistaking this for a war on science could lead to bad tactics, bad strategy, and potentially disastrous outcomes for both science and democracy.
For conservatives, the enemy is not science itself but the further expansion of powerful, centralized, science-informed government. For them it’s as much a crisis moment as it is for climate scientists: win now or lose the war for another century.
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Also, I really doubt that
Also, I really doubt that many scientists are that Obsessed with "losing their funding". I've been an engineer and a mid level manager of engineers and have worked with Academia on many different types of "R&D" projects, and I can attest that the true "Eggheads" that do the Real work are VERY "absent minded" in the Stereotypical manner & couldn't care or know where their paycheck is coming from. Fortunately for me, I destroyed enough of my brain doing Rugs @ GD shows to have become Dumb enough to be an effective Project/Program Manager and thus to have concerns about such things as budgets, schedules, priorities, end results, etc, etc. And there are very few Unemployed Tech Savvy folks out there (I've always Mentored the Young 'Un's: "If Yer Good @ Math, The World Is Your Oyster"), so there'll always be another study/project just around the corner if something you're working on has the plug pulled, altho there is always an Emotional investment in it (believe me, I've had the plug pulled on design projects I spent years & years on, in fact, the axe fell on one the same day Jerry died, true story there!).
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Agreed.
Agreed.
The religious angle plays too with the 30-40% evangelical base.
1. God is in charge and a micromanager.
2. Jesus is coming back next week so none of this matters anyway. Another golden memory of the G. W. Bush presidency was when he referenced end times talking points. Reagan too was an end times apologist.
From the Guardian:
"President Jacques Chirac wanted to know what the hell President Bush had been on about in their last conversation. Bush had then said that when he looked at the Middle East, he saw "Gog and Magog at work" and the biblical prophecies unfolding. But who the hell were Gog and Magog? Neither Chirac nor his office had any idea. But they knew Bush was an evangelical Christian, so they asked the French Federation of Protestants, who in turn asked Professor Römer.
He explained that Gog and Magog were, to use theological jargon, crazy talk. They appear twice in the Old Testament, once as a name, and once in a truly strange prophecy in the book of Ezekiel...Who are all these people? The best opinion is that like all Bible prophecy, it is a mixture of wish-fulfilment and contemporary (iron age) politics. Some of it at least seems to refer to the turmoil brought about by Alexander the Great in the fourth century BC (unlike Bush, Alexander actually conquered Afghanistan).
But they have been for the last two hundred years the subject of increasingly excited evangelical fanfic, especially in America; in the 70s and 80s, Gog was meant to be Russia. Ronald Reagan seems to have believed that."
The TV preachers and the megachurches pound this claptrap.
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I support a war on bad
I support a war on bad science. Study design is everything.
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The problem with the protest
The problem with the protest against the War on Science can best be summed up by a quote attributed to Mark Twain:
"Never Wrestle with a Pig. It Brings You Down to the Pig's Level, You Get Muddy, and the Pig Enjoys It."
Also applies equally well to Zoner drama . . .
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Well OK then George Bernard
Well OK then George Bernard Shaw:
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/georgebern137450.html
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Another quote from same
Another quote from same article (and yes, Sun Tzu's The Art of War is a really good read):
Know your enemy, Sun Tzu reminds us in The Art of War. Science is in a war, but not the one many think. To avoid costly mistakes, scientists and those who support them need to know and understand the forces in the field.
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Also, I bet Thom doesn't even
Also, I bet Thom doesn't even know what Pi is (Hint: C/D)
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Also Also I bet Bucky Badger
Also Also I bet Bucky Badger can't even balance his checkbook (oh yeah the Computer does that for you now)
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How about cancer research
How about cancer research Thom?
Just a big waste of money by liberal elite scientists?
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If research funding was
If research funding was limited to the private sector we'd have THE BEST BONER PILLS & WRINKLE CREAM EVER but all be dying of the common cold . . .
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Went to 420 Fest Friday to
Went to 420 Fest Friday to see Twiddle, Moe., and Trey Band...
Saturday March for Science in ATL (Candler Park)...
Beautiful Weekend in Georgia!
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>>>>>I can attest that the
>>>>>I can attest that the true "Eggheads" that do the Real work are VERY "absent minded" in the Stereotypical manner & couldn't care or know where their paycheck is coming from.
Dunno 'bout that. May be true in R+D/Engineering or in some think tanks, but I worked in academia for 15 years. Every professor who did research had to write their own proposals to get grants from the feds, state, and private industry to continue their studies. Every employee of those professors, such as myself, knew exactly which grants we were working under - we had to put in our distribution of effort reports each month, showing which hours were for which grant account, This was also the case when I was a contractor for the EPA. We also knew exactly when those grants expired, and when they had to be re-applied for.
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Probably difference between
Probably difference between Academia & Government (NASA, FEMA, etc). I'd have to think there's quite a lot of Politics involved in obtaining Tenure so yeah, Professors are probably a lot more Astute when it comes to affairs of Real Life . . .
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GREAT sign, Steve. Salt Lake
GREAT sign, Steve. Salt Lake City.
Mountains of the Wasatch in the background.
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>>>Also Also I bet Bucky
>>>Also Also I bet Bucky Badger can't even balance his checkbook (oh yeah the Computer does that for you now)
WTF is your problem buddy? Dark Star is an awful song by the way and I'm very good at math hippie.
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I hope you hook up with an
I hope you hook up with an Italian chick . . .