Just a Brief Mention regarding Zoner Timpane ...

Does this mean you're going to vouch for him?

Yeah, virtually every reputable scientific and medical source says that cloth masks help stop the spread of COVID. Your pal says they don't.

I think I'll take the word of the experts. If that makes me a nincompoop in your eyes, so be it. Vermont has one of the lowest COVID rates in the country and we've all been wearing cloth masks since March.

If you don't believe that cloth masks do anything, I hope that you wear an N-95 mask when you're out and about.

Timpane seems like a nice enough fellow...but cloth masks do help slow the transmission of the disease. That's a fact. I'm really happy that Timpane is all about safety on the job site - it's the mark of a person who cares about doing things the right way. But he's off base on the masks. Up till recently all evidence has indicated that this virus is water-borne, ie, spit, saliva, cough, sneeze. Like someone said in a previous thread, spit. Now spit into a cloth. See which one goes further?

The mask is to prevent the spittle flying from your mouth and possibly to block saliva from other nearby sneezers. 

So Timpane, keep up the good work on the job site. And use a mask.

Less vaporized breath equals a smaller viral count in the air. Not hard to figure.

Disco Stu, is something wrong with you? I'm serious.

A cloth mask might not be 100% "effective" as a total barrier, but the real question is does it have to be in order to reduce transmission?

I'm frequently around particulates when carving and sanding stone and around vapors during waxing and polishing. Once you notice the guys with breathing problems seldom wear masks, you start wearing them regularly.

It is possible to filter out  junk in the air before you breath in that air. There are devices that accomplish this to varying degrees. Masks are one solution.

Yes the virus particles are smaller than the holes in many masks and yes, many masks are worn incorrectly. But it is also true that virus frquently hitches rides on bigger droplets and particles. 

So if you filter out what you can, you are receiving less "infection." Risk reduction. Common sense, right?

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There is no rational argument for not wearing a mask.

Well, it very nice he shows some sense about safety precautions at work. Good to hear. 

hahaha hahaha hahaha ......first its humping the decomposed corpse of a failed candidate,  now it's mask trutherism?

time for a long break from here or self - ban. either way, there is no coming back from this one.

Biden 2020!!!!

also, let's all rally around disco stu and give home the help he is so desperately crying out for.

I think they marketed it all wrong -- nobody remembers what a virus actually is from junior high science class. They can barely picture a germ -- it's a little squiggly thing in dirt, right?  

Unfortunately, many humans think what they can't see, hear, or touch, just doesn't exit. (Except for god.)

And they framed the situation like you can escape it or possibly be immune from it. Bad move. Humans are wired to think they are the exception to a bad outcome.

I think they should have said from the start:

1. You will eventually breath in this invisible particle. It's so tiny you can't see it. It's all around in every public space.

2. The more of it you breath in, the sicker you will get. Or you will become a sickness spreader. Or both.

3. So it's best to lessen the amount you will breath in by whatever means possible.

4. If you wear a filter (a mask), you will lessen the amount you breath in.

5. If everyone else wears a mask, there will be even less of it around in the air for you to breath in.

End of story.

And if you don't believe in government mandates, please stop paying your government mandated car insurance so we can revoke your driving privileges.

Driving on public roads is not your god given right and if you have a driver's license, you have agreed to follow the laws we have passed to ensure the common good.  

Not interested in the common good -- no driving for you.

Alan, thanks for your 1:20 post - it could not be clearer, nor more accurate. It seems so simple...

^ When I teach stone carving to elementary school kids, I have to go thru the "why-we-wear-a-mask-all-the-time-in-stone-class" speech with every group. Most get it, but there is always one kid.....

The admins used look at me all worried-like when I first ordered masks as part of my art supplies. Each kid gets one, along with a pair of goggles, a crab mallet to hammer with, some sandpaper and a rock. I supply the real hammers, chisels and files. By the end of two weeks I have them using power tools (with supervision, of course.)  "Mr Alan, Mr Alan...I reeeeeally need to use the dremel." 

Fast forward to this year and all  "my kids" already knew what masks were for and how to wear them right. I bet some parents got a lesson.

Who says arts and crafts isn't practical?

this is the one and only nation on the planet where mask wearing is a political statement

and our numbers prove it !

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this thread = crazy x 2

Thanks for the kind words, Stu. Just saw this thread today as I'm sitting here at work. A lot of people give DS a hard time around here and make fun of the guy but in 3D he's a kind soul and I always enjoyed hanging with him. With no music going on right now this place is dominated by political discussion which is what it is but I've noticed e zone works better when discussion is based around inspiring music and experience with art. I can get caught in the never ending cock tug which is political discussion but it's not really fulfilling in anyway for me. Anyways, hope you're well during these times, Stu.

Stu, do you have any knowledge of portable sawmills or air drying lumber. I had to take down a few black walnuts and plan on milling them. This question would also be for anyone else that may have knowledge on the subject. My 026 started right up after sitting for over a year.

We have painters in our building that take no safety precautions. I tried to explain the consequences to them. It says right on the label most of the time. Most of it is rather toxic in one way or another. Ventilate ventilate ventilate. 

From my experiences painters are fun to drink with and electricians have better weed and play bass very well.

drywall guys have good access to hard drugs

The Stu I met is quality people.

But that was before he procured t,he H.o.U.n D!

i lol every time i see this thread title pop up. hahaha 

A lot of roofers seem to think meth is a good thing. I've rarely met a roofer I'd want to hang out with; my friends in the trades always said it's because they stand at a tilt.