Jr hobnobs with Polygamists in Utah

Couple of things.

First, Jr's been in Utah since Thursday to help commemorate Pioneer Day last Friday, a state holiday that marks when the pioneers arrived in the Salt Lake Valley in 1847. I chuckled when I thought if junior's dad had been pres, those refugees from another state would have hit a wall and been denied. Too bad the Utes didn't have a wall at the Colorado border. 

Then I started thinking about those confederate monuments. They are being questioned due to the fact they honor insurgents who rebelled against the US government.

Goddamn, if there a group that has rebelled (and even fought against) the US government, it's the mo's. They HATE the feds.

Maybe it's time to bring down Brigham Young's statue in Salt Lake. Look at mormon history and you'll see plenty of reasons to equate the mo's and the confederates.  LOL     

Maybe someday when I have bail money and some time to kill, I'll hop up on Brigham's statue with a sign. That would be a hoot.   

Wow Stu, you'll have to explain. Sounds like you're not very familiar with mormon history. Most folks wouldn't be. 

Not sure that freedom of religion means starting your own government, creating your own currency and laws (including polygamy) in opposition to and direct in defiance of the country you're residing in. They were chased out of Illinois for such things and thought this isolated territory would give them the freedom to do as they pleased. The US government actually sent troops into Utah in 1857, known as the Utah War or Mormon War. The anti-fed atmosphere here is palpable, off-the-charts really.     

Kinda funny to call this a "racist" attack, given the history of the church and black people, who were not "white and delightsome". They weren't given the ability to hold the priesthood until the mid-70"s when the church was in danger of losing their federal tax deductions on all their properties worldwide due to their discrimination and possibly losing their designation as a church. Then the prophet (profit?) conveniently had a revelation that God changed his mind. Excellent timing on his part. 

My point was, if confederate statues are being removed for the anti-United States stands and actions that were taken, a look at mormon history would reveal some interesting parallels.     

Not sure if the polygamist clan mentioned in the $511 million embezzlement story has a part in your accusation of an attack on "religion", but they have a long history of questionable dealings and practices, just like the Warren Jeffs clan that milked the government for welfare.    

Nobody's talking "hate" here Stu. And yes, people can have differing opinions about various religions. That's allowed. 

Questioning beliefs and practices when they impact others, including assigning 13 year-old girls to their rapists, as El Nino mentioned, is also allowed.

Consenting adults? Hey, knock yourself out. But when it comes to their children, protection is needed.  

And ripping off taxpayers for millions isn't cool either. Don't have 5 wives and 35 kids if you can't support them. And as the article states, "the Southern Poverty Law Center has designated the sect, which includes members who practice polygamy, as a hate group". 

Lots of religions around the world have abhorrent practices its okay to question. Like mutilating young girl's vaginas. 

But for the record, I do like some momo ideas, like the idea of a "family home evening" once a week. Can't hurt gathering together. And sending 18 year-olds out into the world to see it. Now they do it as missionaries, and I don't listen to pimply brainwashed 18 year-olds for my spiritual guidance, but the fact they go see the world beyond Utah is a good thing. BTW, I used to work at a clinic that dealt with missionaries all the time.        

Yeah, Ken, another chapter, but I was trying to be somewhat succinct. The church is finally owning up to it. And accusations Brigham Young ordered it have arisen in the past. 

And El Nino, we actually have homes set up in Salt Lake for the young male shunned "refugees" from those towns. Imagine having a teenage crush on a girl in your town only to have her assigned to a 40 year-old with 4 wives already. Fresh meat.  A reward for devotion.   

Oddly, a letter to the editor in today's SL Tribune discusses this same thing. Starts out talking about the asterisk carved into Barry Bonds' baseball in Cooperstown, and then asks

"Could we not take a similar action for statues, buildings and public monuments inspired by leaders from prior eras, to continue to honor their accomplishments but no longer gloss over actions or words that were horrifically racist, sexist or otherwise repugnant? Yes, maybe it’s time to carve an asterisk into the side of the Washington Monument. And on the front of the Brigham Young Monument. And on every other statue, building or monument inspired by historical figures whose lives included both great actions and unforgivable sins. George Washington helped found a new nation. And his fortune was built on slave labor. Brigham Young led the pioneers to the West. And he was a vocal racist and misogynist."

Hopefully this link works. Comments below the story. There's no shortage of "nutso" in Utah. 

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/07/22/more-than-armed-men-show/

Wow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxjxglGuygo

Wanna play army man?