>>>>I don’t think he can issue a pardon until after the conviction
The president can actually issue preemptive, pre-conviction pardons. In the case of Ex parte Garland, the US Supreme Court held that the President's pardoning power is ''unlimited,'' and ''It extends to every offense known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.'' (emphasis added).
Nixon hadn't been convicted of anything yet when Ford pardoned him and I believe Bush I pardoned a whole slew of cronies before they were officially convicted too.
I used to wonder why people who otherwise could have made tons of money in the private sector would run for office.
I was told they did it because they had a sense of civic responsibility.
The nepotism and general lawlessness extends from the White House and halls of Congress (both parties of course) all the way down to your local councilman who runs because his stupid brother-in-law needs to get that open dog catcher position. Everyone has a ulterior motive.
The nepotism and general lawlessness extends from the White House and halls of Congress (both parties of course) all the way down to your local councilman who runs because his stupid brother-in-law needs to get that open dog catcher position. Everyone has a ulterior motive.<<<
Apparently, George Washington took the "role of Cincinnatus" to heart. It's been a downhill run since.
Despite his old age, he worked his own small farm until an invasion prompted his fellow citizens to call for his leadership. He came from his plough to assume complete control over the state but, upon achieving a swift victory, relinquished his power and its perquisites and returned to his farm. His success and immediate resignation of his near-absolute authority with the end of this crisis (traditionally dated to 458 BC) has often been cited as an example of outstanding leadership, service to the greater good, civic virtue, humility, and modesty. As a result, he has inspired a number of organizations and other entities, some named in his honour.
Holding: Political spending is a form of protected speech under the First Amendment, and the government may not keep corporations or unions from spending money to support or denounce individual candidates in elections. While corporations or unions may not give money directly to campaigns, they may seek to persuade the voting public through other means, including ads, especially where these ads were not broadcast.
Judgment: Reversed, 5-4, in an opinion by Justice Anthony Kennedy on January 21, 2010. in a 5-4 decision with an opinion written by Justice Kennedy. Justice Stevens dissented, joined by Justices Ginsburg, Breyer, and Sotomayor.
Judge denies request by ex-Trump campaign aide to suppress evidence.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A federal judge on Thursday declined a request by President Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort to suppress evidence seized from a storage unit by investigators for Special Counsel Robert Mueller.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic (Bluestnote)
on Friday, June 15, 2018 – 12:29 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sycamore Slough Disco Stu
on Friday, June 15, 2018 – 12:31 pm
Can you sum it up in a
Can you sum it up in a sentence or two, without going to that site ??
Should we be happy, sad & what about Hillary's colostomy bag ??
I'm always thrilled to hear about all these political Clowns.
If only they played some Music, they would be almost as exciting as the Slugs attacking my Garden.
Slugs +1
P:oli -2
Salt +2
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees FaceOnMars
on Friday, June 15, 2018 – 01:31 pm
Will Trump try to issue an
Will Trump try to issue an executive order that bars Manafort from being held in jail?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Friday, June 15, 2018 – 01:38 pm
He can just pardon him.
He can just pardon him.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Friday, June 15, 2018 – 02:18 pm
I don’t think he can issue a
I don’t think he can issue a pardon until after the conviction
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D. Portland_ken
on Friday, June 15, 2018 – 02:26 pm
>>>>I don’t think he can
>>>>I don’t think he can issue a pardon until after the conviction
The president can actually issue preemptive, pre-conviction pardons. In the case of Ex parte Garland, the US Supreme Court held that the President's pardoning power is ''unlimited,'' and ''It extends to every offense known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.'' (emphasis added).
Nixon hadn't been convicted of anything yet when Ford pardoned him and I believe Bush I pardoned a whole slew of cronies before they were officially convicted too.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back UncleSam
on Friday, June 15, 2018 – 02:35 pm
Always nice to see quality
Always nice to see quality legal analysis on the Zone
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote Stringtwang
on Friday, June 15, 2018 – 02:37 pm
So let's see...
So let's see...
Former campaign manager in jail.
Family being sued for charity fraud.
Personal lawyer under investigation.
Admires dictators.
Just another day in Trump's America.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Oaksterdam Dan Nugstradamus
on Friday, June 15, 2018 – 02:48 pm
^^^^They (GOP) want there
^^^^They (GOP) want there agenda and judges and will say and do anything for it
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: (~)};)StealYourFace WALSTIB
on Friday, June 15, 2018 – 03:05 pm
pardoning a defendant that
pardoning a defendant that pleads not guilty
sounds about right in trumpworld...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ LLOLLO
on Friday, June 15, 2018 – 03:19 pm
Excited neighbor at the
Excited neighbor at the coffee shop this morning, LOL.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino kxela
on Friday, June 15, 2018 – 03:22 pm
When Trump supporters say he
When Trump supporters say he had nothing to do with Trump:
Campaign Head for 144 Days
Personally Picked Pence
Worked w/ Trump for 30 years
Lived in Trump Tower, where he met Trump constantly
Worked on Trump transition team
Attended Trump Tower meeting
IN JAIL!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Friday, June 15, 2018 – 04:20 pm
Trump makes Lex Luther look
Trump makes Lex Luther look like one of the good guys
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sigmund SeaMonster
on Friday, June 15, 2018 – 05:30 pm
Drumpf can't Pardon "Crimes
Drumpf can't Pardon "Crimes Against the State"
(Like Treason)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic (Bluestnote)
on Friday, June 15, 2018 – 07:46 pm
Manafort might be safer in
Manafort might be safer in jail.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sigmund SeaMonster
on Saturday, June 16, 2018 – 12:20 am
Gang bang Manny !
Gang bang Manny !
"Hey we got any Obama voters in here,,,!?"
Sweet dreams bitch,,,!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water infinite ignorance
on Saturday, June 16, 2018 – 10:45 am
https://www.prweek.com
https://www.prweek.com/article/1402991/trump-campaign-chief-defends-lock-up-convention-chant
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote Stringtwang
on Saturday, June 16, 2018 – 11:14 am
I pegged this guy as the
I pegged this guy as the nexus of corruption when I first heard of him(when he became T's campaign manager).
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: gypsy tailwind T.O.D.
on Saturday, June 16, 2018 – 11:25 am
The lawyers have told Drumph
The lawyers have told Drumph don't even think of pardoning anybody involved with the Mueller/Russia investigation until it's done.
Stating it will only make things worse.
** Remember there could be "sealed" co-conspirator indictments on Trump himself.
*** If you receive a pardon, you no longer are granted 5th Amendment protections.
Example: If Trump pardoned Manafort today...
Mueller could issue a subpoena for Manafort to face the Grand Jury,
where he would be forced to testify against Trump.
**** Presidential pardon doesn't protect you against "State Indictments".
Example: NY AG filing Suit against the Trump Foundation,
Don Jr., Eric, Ivanka and Don "The Con" himself.
So basically...
He's boxed in like a turtles pecker.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Saturday, June 16, 2018 – 11:28 am
you got em tod
you got em tod
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bucky Badger On Wisconsin
on Saturday, June 16, 2018 – 11:36 am
Good, fuck that guy. He’s a
Good, fuck that guy. He’s a traitor and a piece of shit, even his own family knows it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: An organ grinder’s tune Turtle
on Saturday, June 16, 2018 – 11:41 am
Lock her up
Lock her up
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Zebrachaser Phanatically
on Saturday, June 16, 2018 – 11:58 am
I used to wonder why people
I used to wonder why people who otherwise could have made tons of money in the private sector would run for office.
I was told they did it because they had a sense of civic responsibility.
The nepotism and general lawlessness extends from the White House and halls of Congress (both parties of course) all the way down to your local councilman who runs because his stupid brother-in-law needs to get that open dog catcher position. Everyone has a ulterior motive.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees FaceOnMars
on Saturday, June 16, 2018 – 12:04 pm
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees FaceOnMars
on Saturday, June 16, 2018 – 12:07 pm
The nepotism and general
The nepotism and general lawlessness extends from the White House and halls of Congress (both parties of course) all the way down to your local councilman who runs because his stupid brother-in-law needs to get that open dog catcher position. Everyone has a ulterior motive.<<<
Apparently, George Washington took the "role of Cincinnatus" to heart. It's been a downhill run since.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Quinctius_Cincinnatus
Despite his old age, he worked his own small farm until an invasion prompted his fellow citizens to call for his leadership. He came from his plough to assume complete control over the state but, upon achieving a swift victory, relinquished his power and its perquisites and returned to his farm. His success and immediate resignation of his near-absolute authority with the end of this crisis (traditionally dated to 458 BC) has often been cited as an example of outstanding leadership, service to the greater good, civic virtue, humility, and modesty. As a result, he has inspired a number of organizations and other entities, some named in his honour.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: gypsy tailwind T.O.D.
on Saturday, June 16, 2018 – 12:23 pm
>>> Everyone has a ulterior
>>> Everyone has a ulterior motive.
The problem is the Citizens United ruling.
Holding: Political spending is a form of protected speech under the First Amendment, and the government may not keep corporations or unions from spending money to support or denounce individual candidates in elections. While corporations or unions may not give money directly to campaigns, they may seek to persuade the voting public through other means, including ads, especially where these ads were not broadcast.
Judgment: Reversed, 5-4, in an opinion by Justice Anthony Kennedy on January 21, 2010. in a 5-4 decision with an opinion written by Justice Kennedy. Justice Stevens dissented, joined by Justices Ginsburg, Breyer, and Sotomayor.
http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/citizens-united-v-federal-ele...
Fuck "Dark" money foreign and domestic!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Saturday, June 16, 2018 – 12:25 pm
All money corrupts.
All money corrupts.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D. Portland_ken
on Saturday, June 16, 2018 – 12:44 pm
>>>>>I used to wonder why
>>>>>I used to wonder why people who otherwise could have made tons of money in the private sector would run for office.
That's called the "revolving door."
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: An organ grinder’s tune Turtle
on Saturday, June 16, 2018 – 01:24 pm
Ender agrees $$ is free
Ender agrees $$ is free speech.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Oaksterdam Dan Nugstradamus
on Saturday, June 16, 2018 – 01:24 pm
^^^^The term is "political
^^^^The term is "political patronage" and allot of states have laws preventing it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees FaceOnMars
on Saturday, June 16, 2018 – 06:40 pm
>>> Everyone has a ulterior
>>> Everyone has a ulterior motive.
The problem is the Citizens United ruling<<<
Which is why Constitutional reform might be necessary.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: gypsy tailwind T.O.D.
on Friday, June 22, 2018 – 09:01 am
Another loss for Trump.
Another loss for Trump.
Judge denies request by ex-Trump campaign aide to suppress evidence.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A federal judge on Thursday declined a request by President Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort to suppress evidence seized from a storage unit by investigators for Special Counsel Robert Mueller.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-manafort/judge-denie...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Friday, June 22, 2018 – 09:32 am
A storage locker full of
A storage locker full of evidence..guessing it's not xmas decorations.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ender
on Friday, June 22, 2018 – 10:01 am
>> Ender agrees $$ is free
>> Ender agrees $$ is free speech.
Money couldn't get Jeb or Hillary elected.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: gypsy tailwind T.O.D.
on Friday, June 22, 2018 – 10:18 am
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lord Kalvert Lloyd_Klondike
on Friday, June 22, 2018 – 10:25 am
we could take Canada in two
we could take Canada in two weeks, if we wanted it.....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skyjunk fabes
on Friday, June 22, 2018 – 11:32 am
Has he hit population yet?
Has he hit population yet?
that will make him cave
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: gypsy tailwind T.O.D.
on Friday, June 22, 2018 – 12:07 pm
They won't put him in General
They won't put him in General population.
They don't want him tuned up....yet.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: gypsy tailwind T.O.D.
on Friday, June 22, 2018 – 12:17 pm
Actually.
Actually.
Paul Manafort Ordered by Judge to Be Held Away From Other Prisoners.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-21/manafort-ordered-by-j...