I am also currently subscribing to the theory that Bryen, Greg, Dan and now Liam are all one guy -- gleefully killing time in rapture about how he's actually a master Zoner, sowing discord using the famous slow troll gambit. Revenge is sweet when it tastes like meat.
Good work troll guy. How much is a Viva log in worth on the open market?
Thank you for the heads up Alan, I just reported this stupid motherfucker on Facebook. The admin of a covid mourning support group is actually a filthy, mouth-breathing, antisemitic conspiracy theorist posting on a niche music fan forum?
I'm going after this guy hard. Good shit, man. Keep at it.
Could you perhaps put that snarky intelligence to good use and recommend me some new music? Not too far out jazz or electronica. Something with a beat.
Speaking of Jazz, we just watched the Ken Burns series. I've learned lots of bits and pieces of jazz history through the years, but it was informative to see his retrospective as it puts everything in context for me. What did you think?
It prodded me to re-explore Charlie Parker. One can draw some comparisons to Garcia.
I don't use a VPN and would have no problem if Admin actually did implement some technique as you suggest to tamp down this dumpster fire that you guys have created.
Dude you are on a roll this morning. What is black music, anyway? Can you define so we can speak on the same terms?
Yes, agreed. Ken Burns is not exploring cutting edge avant garde movements in the jazz idiom. But I thought he did a good job covering 100 years of a diverse topic. I'm sure you could do better.
Question - does the Neville Brothers constitute black music to you?
>> Neville Brothers constitute black music to you?
No, because I most readily identify them within the Cajun / Nola / Creole tradition that eschews that question of race (which you arbitrarily bring up), in favor of community / brotherhood. At least that's what I take from my listening to them artists, Clifton Chenier, the Balfa Bros., etc.
Good shit man. I'm gonna try and catch up with you later to see if you have any more questions. I think the big thing around here lately are the tea recommendations.
No I didn't arbitrarily bring it up. You presumed I am a shallow white guy with limited ears and prefer "nothing too black." Don't make assumptions about my tastes. Quite eclectic but I never clicked with the ambient, wispy, dreamy end of things. I was however, raised on AM radio commercial soul and R&B (in Baltimore*) and gleefully embraced the funk when I got turned on to that. So I'm not naive or Canadian or extremely musically pasty, so to speak. *Most everything cultural around Baltimore has racial overtones.
I've actually had the discussion of what constitutes black music with Cyril Neville on many occasions. He will fucking rant your ear off about the subject in a self-professed, rather militant manner. He can literally go on for hours about the topic, as long as he's smoking good herb. So it's not like I'm uneducated, but yes, I got most of my knowledge through the New Orleans window.
Charles has a deep jazz background that I've heard stories about. He doesn't talk about it as much, but is more academic when he does. "Beginning in 1963 he served three and a half years at Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola for possession of marijuana. He practiced in the prison music room with other incarcerated New Orleans musicians, notably pianist James Booker and drummer James Black. Moving to New York City after release from prison, he explored modern jazz and toured with Johnnie Taylor, Clarence Carter, and O. V. Wright." He turned me on to some stuff I still need to follow up on.
Art will talk music without many racial references.
^ and yes, I know little about rap or hip hop, mostly because in the 80s and 90s I was busy listening to a bunch of acid soaked white guys spawned by a culture I could easily relate to. A man only has so many hours in a day to listen to music. But I do have a godson who has turned me on to some stuff in those genres and I'm open to checking more out.
But right now I'm (re) exploring Jazz, so if you have some relevant recommendations...
No (laugh). But Slacker -- I can't help it when I was born and we are all products of our time.
I think you'll have to go back several thousand years in your search for "soul music." Some dude in the desert banging a stretched hide wailing about his lost love and spoiled dates (the fruit).
Granted, the boomer generation has fucked enough things up, but they / we did make some good rock and roll.
Oh I have no doubt the longevity of some of these socks. I've been on the zone for over 20 years, it's been a thing since I've been coming here and Im sure some have a few in rotation.
We even had an ip outting around 05 for a bit as it got so bad, iirc
Yeah the pattern is the same: gentle entry > contrary opinion > lots of cut and paste > childlike ranting.
Some of our sock regulars eventually display an underlying gleefully-sadistic, misogamistic streak, which is mighty sad. Leads me to believe it's the same person.
Man, I've been spinning this yellow moon record for like three days straight. So much texture here. I haven't busted this one out for a few years it seems.
You know when Clifton Chenier started signing in "creole", he was really just making all that shit up to sound like actual words? 100% nonsensical. His album Out West with Elvin Bishop (on Arhoolie) has been in steady rotation over here long time.
ken burns is ok but I never seem to finish watching his stuff after I've started, after reading a few other opinions here now I feel like know why.
I have a decent exposure to pre WW2 jazz. Minnie the Moocher style mostly, originally by exposure thru cartoons. And the Ken Burns documentary really drove home how "big" the Swing era was ( I have a little knowledge as it was my parent's generation). But I don't know much about early bebop, other than the more well known (i.e., commercial stuff). So mid 40s to mid 60s jazz is a big gap for me. I guess I pick up again in the late 60s, taste a little fusion, then lose it again. I have no experience with modern jazz.
I'm a wanna-be drummer with a kit who "practices" regularly, so I dig the beat, ya dig?
We all have our unique musical tastes. I love jazz, but the modern and fusion stuff confuses me. It's almost too much for my small brain to handle. Some people find classical music relaxing and can have it on in the background. I don't and can't because it encompasses me and and I can't concentrate on other things. Ten minutes of bluegrass is about all I can handle.
I can follow the most transient, trippy DarkStar, as well as slow instrumental Kimock wanderings, but the floating wispy jazz just bores me.
I guess I relate more to the carnal side of music and save my intellectual stimulation for reading. I prefer music that makes my body move.
I've got the time to explore something new for a bit -- I'm in a temporary Grateful Dead lull. That's why I'm checking out more from the Charlie Parker era and trying to sample some of his peers.
*Fridays at Five is a weekly membership-based online concert series that brings people closer to the music, while providing support for artists, through exclusive hour-long broadcasts of SFJAZZ Center archival performances every Friday at 5 PM PT.
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Good catch Rob.
Good catch Rob.
I am also currently subscribing to the theory that Bryen, Greg, Dan and now Liam are all one guy -- gleefully killing time in rapture about how he's actually a master Zoner, sowing discord using the famous slow troll gambit. Revenge is sweet when it tastes like meat.
Good work troll guy. How much is a Viva log in worth on the open market?
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In a sick twisted manner, he
In a sick twisted manner, he's appropriated the real Liam Meyer's name:
from the BBC:
"A man from Torquay who lost his father to Covid-19 has set up a support group to help other families who have lost loved ones.
Liam Meyer's father died on 29 March after being admitted to Torbay hospital with coronavirus.
He died after spending a week in intensive care.
Liam has set up a Facebook group called Alone Together for people who have lost loved ones during the pandemic to talk to each other."
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^ wow, that's cold, man.
^ wow, that's cold, man. Using an alias of a someone who lost his dad to covid to push an anti-vax agenda.
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Thank you for the heads up
Thank you for the heads up Alan, I just reported this stupid motherfucker on Facebook. The admin of a covid mourning support group is actually a filthy, mouth-breathing, antisemitic conspiracy theorist posting on a niche music fan forum?
I'm going after this guy hard. Good shit, man. Keep at it.
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Thanks Watson. Nice to see ya
Thanks Watson. Nice to see ya.
Could you perhaps put that snarky intelligence to good use and recommend me some new music? Not too far out jazz or electronica. Something with a beat.
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Speaking of Jazz, we just
Speaking of Jazz, we just watched the Ken Burns series. I've learned lots of bits and pieces of jazz history through the years, but it was informative to see his retrospective as it puts everything in context for me. What did you think?
It prodded me to re-explore Charlie Parker. One can draw some comparisons to Garcia.
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>> What did you think
>> What did you think
Ken Burns puts me to sleep.
>>
Not too far out jazz or electronica.Nothing too black;Something with a beat.something I can have on in the background. (FTFY)Bobby Hutcherson
(obligatory quirky paragraph returns.)
Good luck with the case.
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Outted. No question same
Outted. No question same clown. A one day retroactive ip showing would reveal lotsa fun
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I don't use a VPN and have no
I don't use a VPN and would have no problem if Admin actually did implement some technique as you suggest to tamp down this dumpster fire that you guys have created.
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Dude you are on a roll this
Dude you are on a roll this morning. What is black music, anyway? Can you define so we can speak on the same terms?
Yes, agreed. Ken Burns is not exploring cutting edge avant garde movements in the jazz idiom. But I thought he did a good job covering 100 years of a diverse topic. I'm sure you could do better.
Question - does the Neville Brothers constitute black music to you?
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>> Neville Brothers
>> Neville Brothers constitute black music to you?
No, because I most readily identify them within the Cajun / Nola / Creole tradition that eschews that question of race (which you arbitrarily bring up), in favor of community / brotherhood. At least that's what I take from my listening to them artists, Clifton Chenier, the Balfa Bros., etc.
Good shit man. I'm gonna try and catch up with you later to see if you have any more questions. I think the big thing around here lately are the tea recommendations.
Cup of kava for you this A.M., before I split?
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Ateix, think you and some others may have a bit of interest in this... you familiar?
A website dedicated to 78rpm recordings of folkloric and vernacular music from around the world.
https://excavatedshellac.com/author/wardo27/
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No I didn't arbitrarily bring
No I didn't arbitrarily bring it up. You presumed I am a shallow white guy with limited ears and prefer "nothing too black." Don't make assumptions about my tastes. Quite eclectic but I never clicked with the ambient, wispy, dreamy end of things. I was however, raised on AM radio commercial soul and R&B (in Baltimore*) and gleefully embraced the funk when I got turned on to that. So I'm not naive or Canadian or extremely musically pasty, so to speak. *Most everything cultural around Baltimore has racial overtones.
I've actually had the discussion of what constitutes black music with Cyril Neville on many occasions. He will fucking rant your ear off about the subject in a self-professed, rather militant manner. He can literally go on for hours about the topic, as long as he's smoking good herb. So it's not like I'm uneducated, but yes, I got most of my knowledge through the New Orleans window.
Charles has a deep jazz background that I've heard stories about. He doesn't talk about it as much, but is more academic when he does. "Beginning in 1963 he served three and a half years at Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola for possession of marijuana. He practiced in the prison music room with other incarcerated New Orleans musicians, notably pianist James Booker and drummer James Black. Moving to New York City after release from prison, he explored modern jazz and toured with Johnnie Taylor, Clarence Carter, and O. V. Wright." He turned me on to some stuff I still need to follow up on.
Art will talk music without many racial references.
I've never spoken to Aaron about music.
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^ and yes, I know little
^ and yes, I know little about rap or hip hop, mostly because in the 80s and 90s I was busy listening to a bunch of acid soaked white guys spawned by a culture I could easily relate to. A man only has so many hours in a day to listen to music. But I do have a godson who has turned me on to some stuff in those genres and I'm open to checking more out.
But right now I'm (re) exploring Jazz, so if you have some relevant recommendations...
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>>>>>Outted. No question same
>>>>>Outted. No question same clown
Only problem w/ that theory is that he's been frothing under that nom de Zone since 2016, long before Covid.
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Who determines who has soul?
Who determines who has soul? Boomers?
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Lovely, a troll bothered by
Lovely, a troll bothered by a troll/s.
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<Who determines who has soul?
<Who determines who has soul? Boomers?>
No (laugh). But Slacker -- I can't help it when I was born and we are all products of our time.
I think you'll have to go back several thousand years in your search for "soul music." Some dude in the desert banging a stretched hide wailing about his lost love and spoiled dates (the fruit).
Granted, the boomer generation has fucked enough things up, but they / we did make some good rock and roll.
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Oh I have no doubt the
Oh I have no doubt the longevity of some of these socks. I've been on the zone for over 20 years, it's been a thing since I've been coming here and Im sure some have a few in rotation.
We even had an ip outting around 05 for a bit as it got so bad, iirc
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Yeah the pattern is the same:
Yeah the pattern is the same: gentle entry > contrary opinion > lots of cut and paste > childlike ranting.
Some of our sock regulars eventually display an underlying gleefully-sadistic, misogamistic streak, which is mighty sad. Leads me to believe it's the same person.
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enjoying the ken burns
enjoying the ken burns country music. 1 more episode to go i think.
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^ We are looking forward to
^ We are looking forward to watching that, too. Thanks for the reminder.
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Man, I've been spinning this
Man, I've been spinning this yellow moon record for like three days straight. So much texture here. I haven't busted this one out for a few years it seems.
You know when Clifton Chenier started signing in "creole", he was really just making all that shit up to sound like actual words? 100% nonsensical. His album Out West with Elvin Bishop (on Arhoolie) has been in steady rotation over here long time.
ken burns is ok but I never seem to finish watching his stuff after I've started, after reading a few other opinions here now I feel like know why.
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Alan, you might like Ramsey
Alan, you might like Ramsey Lewis.
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Enjoying the Ken Burns
Enjoying the Ken Burns Country Music. 1 more episode to go i think.>>
Saw it all last year, great series. A good education.
There is one segment featuring Cash doing Big River, Robbins singing El Paso, & Lefty Frizzell's Long Black Limo all in a row.
Some connections to Garcia's solo career:
Jimmie Rodger's Blue Yodell #9, Seldom Scene's Last Train from Poor Valley From Deaddisc.com....
Last Train From Poor Valley was performed a couple of times by Legion of Mary in the Spring of 1975.
Often mistakenly listed on tapes and set lists as Last Train From Corvallis..(Used the wrong name on my tape, thought it referred to Corvallis, OR)
I
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Around these parts we call it
Around these parts we call it Corn Valley, not Poor Valley.
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lol, I'll second the supple
lol, I'll second the supple smooth sounds of Ramsey Lewis. Another Voyage is a fav.
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Hey, I appreciate all the
Hey, I appreciate all the suggestions.
I have a decent exposure to pre WW2 jazz. Minnie the Moocher style mostly, originally by exposure thru cartoons. And the Ken Burns documentary really drove home how "big" the Swing era was ( I have a little knowledge as it was my parent's generation). But I don't know much about early bebop, other than the more well known (i.e., commercial stuff). So mid 40s to mid 60s jazz is a big gap for me. I guess I pick up again in the late 60s, taste a little fusion, then lose it again. I have no experience with modern jazz.
I'm a wanna-be drummer with a kit who "practices" regularly, so I dig the beat, ya dig?
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We all have our unique
We all have our unique musical tastes. I love jazz, but the modern and fusion stuff confuses me. It's almost too much for my small brain to handle. Some people find classical music relaxing and can have it on in the background. I don't and can't because it encompasses me and and I can't concentrate on other things. Ten minutes of bluegrass is about all I can handle.
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I can follow the most
I can follow the most transient, trippy DarkStar, as well as slow instrumental Kimock wanderings, but the floating wispy jazz just bores me.
I guess I relate more to the carnal side of music and save my intellectual stimulation for reading. I prefer music that makes my body move.
I've got the time to explore something new for a bit -- I'm in a temporary Grateful Dead lull. That's why I'm checking out more from the Charlie Parker era and trying to sample some of his peers.
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Saw these guys in Israel
Saw these guys in Israel twice. Great band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT1LVEDFLAg
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If you're looking for carnal,
If you're looking for carnal, Alan, you might want to check out this Coltrane from Belgium in 1965.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x59r0
https://vimeo.com/326992473
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I am positively convinced
I am positively convinced there are only two types of music.
Music I like, and music I don't like.
Heck, I bet this even transfers to there being only two types of people.
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I've been digging into some
I've been digging into some wispy stuff.
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https://www.sfjazz.org/watch/
https://www.sfjazz.org/watch/
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^ That's cool Slack. I'll try
^ That's cool Slack. I'll try and check that out soon.* (And any other recommendations.)
I have a friend who used take photos there (as well as other SF Jazz venues). I don't think he'd mind if I shared his jazz photos.
https://www.scottchernis.com/jazzperformance
*Fridays at Five is a weekly membership-based online concert series that brings people closer to the music, while providing support for artists, through exclusive hour-long broadcasts of SFJAZZ Center archival performances every Friday at 5 PM PT.
Ambrose Akinmusire SF Jazz Ctr - S Chernis
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https://kcsm.org/jazzprograms
https://kcsm.org/jazzprograms/desertisland.php
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SFJazz Fridays At Five are a
SFJazz Fridays At Five are a little treasure, and we are overdue to resubscribe. Awesome performances. Huge variety. Rock-solid quality.