If the Russians and perhaps other countries / entities are actively engaged in election interference, how can you or Pelosi be confident elections will be sufficiently fair to allow Trump to be duly voted out of office?
Obviously, that's the best possible outcome; however, how can it ever be guaranteed with adversaries meddling and perhaps engaging in far more nefarious intrusions?
Why "bet the balance of the history of the US against an election"?
It also appears that Trump sold the whole Republican Party russian help in their own elections across the board, and now the whole party is under thumb. How the hell else do you explain a disinterest in protecting my vote.
Here's What Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein Said About Indicting Russian Intelligence Officers for Election Hackin
"There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result."
The Russian troll farms that were indicted spent about $100,000 on some internet ads. If you really believe that this had a significant effect on the election results you are a candidate for reintroducing a poll test. And if your knowledge of history is so bad that you are unaware that Russia has been interfering with our elections since 1918 you need to read some history.
>And if your knowledge of history is so bad that you are unaware that Russia has been interfering with our elections since 1918 you need to read some history<
Bag O'Shit, why do you suppose that Republicans in the Senate blocked a couple of election security bills?
The New York Times grabs us with a shocking headline and opening statement: “The Senate Intelligence Committee concluded Thursday that election systems in all 50 states were targeted by Russia in 2016, an effort more far-reaching than previously acknowledged and one largely undetected by the states and federal officials at the time.”
But by the fourth paragraph, we get these important details: “It concluded that while there was no evidence that any votes were changed in actual voting machines, ‘Russian cyberactors were in a position to delete or change voter data’ in the Illinois voter database. The committee found “no evidence that they did so.”
In the eighteenth paragraph: “That was of concern to the committee because testimony about election machines, which are disconnected from the internet, suggested the most efficient way to alter votes was with physical access to the machines or computers rather than programming them with ballots.” (Emphasis mine.)
In other words, no hacker in Moscow can reach across the World Wide Web and alter what your ballot says. Even if they somehow managed to alter the data being tabulated in some local or state government system that is connected to the Internet, a recount would reveal the discrepancy. In fact, because most local polling places tabulate their results and send them in, a discrepancy in any central tabulating system would be noticed instantly. “I reported that we had 100 votes for Smith and 50 votes for Jones, and your data is saying our results are ten votes for Smith and 140 votes for Jones.”
If the Russians have been taking a "long view" approach with their efforts to interfere in US Elections, would it not make sense for them to save more egregious tactics until latter phases?
I'm almost finished with "Midnight Rising: John Brown and the Raid That Sparked the Civil War" ... John Brown just had his elbows tied behind his back with some rope and will be marched to the gallows soon. One thing that I read yesterday that struck me in terms of its relation to the current situtation with Trump is how many slaveholders visited Brown in jail. It was a freak show in general for sure, but I find it interesting how slaveholders were fascinated enough to spend their energy to be up close to him and perhaps have an opportunity to interact with him. I believe this is a reflection of issues related to cognitive dissonance on immediate display; sharing a commonality with most Trumpers' similar desire to validate their positions by engaging those opposed to Trump.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved nedb
on Thursday, July 25, 2019 – 03:30 pm
Don't over-think this, fom.
Don't over-think this, fom.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Thursday, July 25, 2019 – 03:31 pm
The polls
The polls
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: An organ grinder’s tune Turtle
on Thursday, July 25, 2019 – 03:56 pm
but why did the republicans
but why did the republicans just block 2 bills that would have helped secure out elections?
would any of the 3 republicans here like to comment?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees FaceOnMars
on Thursday, July 25, 2019 – 03:57 pm
Don't over-think this, fom.<<
Don't over-think this, fom.<<<
Are you suggesting this "cue is now straight in line" and that we can all be assured it's safe to start "calling shots" again re: elections?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved nedb
on Thursday, July 25, 2019 – 04:04 pm
No, I'm saying win with wide
No, I'm saying win with wide margins and the argument is moot.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees FaceOnMars
on Thursday, July 25, 2019 – 05:59 pm
Obviously, that's the best
Obviously, that's the best possible outcome; however, how can it ever be guaranteed with adversaries meddling and perhaps engaging in far more nefarious intrusions?
Why "bet the balance of the history of the US against an election"?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skyjunk fabes
on Thursday, July 25, 2019 – 06:33 pm
Isn’t the Russia interference
Isn’t the Russia interference in the election mostly planting fake stories on the internet?
it really is not much different than Trump throwing out mis information and lies on a daily basis.
if anything this has exposed just how bad our education system has become in creating a country of gullible people.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skyjunk fabes
on Thursday, July 25, 2019 – 06:39 pm
It also appears that Trump
It also appears that Trump sold the whole Republican Party russian help in their own elections across the board, and now the whole party is under thumb. How the hell else do you explain a disinterest in protecting my vote.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ausonius Thom2
on Friday, July 26, 2019 – 06:26 am
Here's What Deputy Attorney
Here's What Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein Said About Indicting Russian Intelligence Officers for Election Hackin
"There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result."
https://time.com/5338451/rod-rosenstein-russian-indictment-transcript/
The Russian troll farms that were indicted spent about $100,000 on some internet ads. If you really believe that this had a significant effect on the election results you are a candidate for reintroducing a poll test. And if your knowledge of history is so bad that you are unaware that Russia has been interfering with our elections since 1918 you need to read some history.
Get a life already.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Friday, July 26, 2019 – 06:53 am
Senate Intel Report On
Senate Intel Report On Election Interference
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=6214170-Senate-Intel-Rep...
>And if your knowledge of history is so bad that you are unaware that Russia has been interfering with our elections since 1918 you need to read some history<
Bag O'Shit, why do you suppose that Republicans in the Senate blocked a couple of election security bills?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ausonius Thom2
on Friday, July 26, 2019 – 10:42 am
The New York Times grabs us
The New York Times grabs us with a shocking headline and opening statement: “The Senate Intelligence Committee concluded Thursday that election systems in all 50 states were targeted by Russia in 2016, an effort more far-reaching than previously acknowledged and one largely undetected by the states and federal officials at the time.”
But by the fourth paragraph, we get these important details: “It concluded that while there was no evidence that any votes were changed in actual voting machines, ‘Russian cyberactors were in a position to delete or change voter data’ in the Illinois voter database. The committee found “no evidence that they did so.”
In the eighteenth paragraph: “That was of concern to the committee because testimony about election machines, which are disconnected from the internet, suggested the most efficient way to alter votes was with physical access to the machines or computers rather than programming them with ballots.” (Emphasis mine.)
In other words, no hacker in Moscow can reach across the World Wide Web and alter what your ballot says. Even if they somehow managed to alter the data being tabulated in some local or state government system that is connected to the Internet, a recount would reveal the discrepancy. In fact, because most local polling places tabulate their results and send them in, a discrepancy in any central tabulating system would be noticed instantly. “I reported that we had 100 votes for Smith and 50 votes for Jones, and your data is saying our results are ten votes for Smith and 140 votes for Jones.”
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/the-russian-hackers-who-...
Just accept that the guy won the election and move on, it will do wonders for your mental health.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: gypsy tailwind T.O.D.
on Friday, July 26, 2019 – 10:47 am
Sounds reasonable Thom, can we still think you’re a dain bramaged idiot?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees FaceOnMars
on Friday, July 26, 2019 – 10:56 am
Isn’t the Russia interference
Isn’t the Russia interference in the election mostly planting fake stories on the internet?<<<<
See Orange's link (above), or this one:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/senate-intelligence-pan...
If the Russians have been taking a "long view" approach with their efforts to interfere in US Elections, would it not make sense for them to save more egregious tactics until latter phases?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees FaceOnMars
on Friday, July 26, 2019 – 11:03 am
Get a life already.<<<<
Get a life already.<<<<
I'm almost finished with "Midnight Rising: John Brown and the Raid That Sparked the Civil War" ... John Brown just had his elbows tied behind his back with some rope and will be marched to the gallows soon. One thing that I read yesterday that struck me in terms of its relation to the current situtation with Trump is how many slaveholders visited Brown in jail. It was a freak show in general for sure, but I find it interesting how slaveholders were fascinated enough to spend their energy to be up close to him and perhaps have an opportunity to interact with him. I believe this is a reflection of issues related to cognitive dissonance on immediate display; sharing a commonality with most Trumpers' similar desire to validate their positions by engaging those opposed to Trump.