how many zoners think it is their right to own "a" gun

A gun? None for me, thanks.

I don't own a gun but I would buy one if I wanted too. I don't really want to at the moment. I don't think it should be illegal to own a handgun or rifle. I don't have an issue with fully automatic weapons being discontinued but I also believe that it should happen on a global scale as well. I don't believe police should be able to any kind of weapons that civilians can't use. 
 

The country has been out of control for a long time, but also in complete control by the sadistic and wealthy. 

I don't own a gun, but I think it's fine to do so. I know lots of people who have arsenals, and none of them pose a problem. I also think that there should be extensive background checks, limits on types of guns, rounds and types of ammo. I also think that municipalities should able to have strict bans, with the understanding that becomes impossible to enforce bans when guns are legal right next door.

Fuck the NRA, by the way.

Guns are part of the human parasitic condition.  It's just another tool we developed to "take".  Because that's what humans do best.  Take.  
You name it, we'll take it.   
 

Speaking of the NRA, I receive their monthly magazine.  No, I'm not a member, but a family member is.  The shit they write about in that rag.  Jeeezz!  It's all fear mongering.  Which happens to be the best sales pitch if your audience is human. And they mail out fundraising shit all the time too.  It's all about TAKE.  

TAKE TAKE TAKE

Take out food,  take lives , take drugs, take land, take fiction, take fact , take resources, take no responsibility, take two and call me in the morning...

My Trumper father in law thinks the war is coming and if you ever talk about his guns(a lot, including automatic) he asks "whose side are you gonna be on when it starts?"

I get along with him well enough but there are lots of him out there

Gotta fill the jails with someone now that weed's legal.   I'll be happy to see the RevolutionFaries locked up.  

Agree with Brian.   

Also fully support the term "RevolutionFaries" 

I don't own a gun and am not sure if I ever will.  I support the right to do so and common sense laws.  I'd like to learn how to shoot a bow, with the ultimate goal of killing deer.

I'm on the same page as BrianK with this one.
Reasonable regulations, reasonable freedoms.

At this point, the only positive thing I can say about gun ownership is that it allows the physically inept to effectively threaten anyone else.

In that sense, it's the great equalizer (depending on how big you can go).

I've accepted the reality that people have guns, but I'd rather nobody have them, all things being equal.

Well, I'd rather have the proper authorities armed well enough 'to protect and serve" our community members.

So many challenges

Copied from a local bakery blog. Andy is a baker, music lover and community organizer. 

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When I was 6 years old some men broke in to our home in rural Vermont with guns, they held my mother at gun point, took away her dignity, our car and some cash and left her and I very scared. 

We grew up with a no gun rule in the house. No BB guns, barely any squirt guns and definitely no real guns.

When I was 21 years old I hit a rough spot and went to live with my mother for a while in San Diego. There were gangs all over San Diego and some of my friends had guns in the cars as protection. I didn't really like living in San Diego much, it wasn't a good fit for me. That said, I started to consider buying a hand gun for my own safety. Somehow it made sense at the time. Then it occurred to me that I could just move back to Boulder where you don't need a gun for protection. So that's what I did. It seems crazy to me that I was considering buying a gun that would maybe be pointed at another person someday, even if he or she was a "bad guy". Who am I, Wyatt Earp? 

The shooting yesterday has rattled me to the core. I went to sleep crying and woke up crying. I posted some angry anti-gun stuff on social media and am now watching as a huge debate ensues online. 

I don't want to polarize people, I just want to see some reasonable measures taken to prevent this from continuing to happen. I am so sorry and my heart pours out to all of the victims and their families of yesterdays shooting. 

The team at Sweet Cow in the Table Mesa shopping center hid in the bathroom for 3 hours. These are mostly high school and young kids that Drew hires to scoop ice cream. Our friends at the Escoffier Institute just a few yards behind King Soopers are ok. Our friend Matej who is one of my dearest friends and also our wine dealer was on his way to shop at that King Soopers and found a police scene instead. His timing could have been very different.

Rainbow from the Jamestown Mercantile could have been buying a few dozen tortillas for a taco night at The Merc, but thank goodness she wasn't.

This is all too much, this is all too close to home. Colorado is known for its mountains, and music and mass murders.

Go hunt elk, go target shooting, shoot out the lights but don't shoot people.

Guns don't need to be associated with politics or religion or really anything. 

I don't know what the right group is to align with, and I'd love to get your suggestions. We were wanting to do a fundraiser for the Atlanta victims and didn't even have enough time to organize that before this happened.

Andy

Had a bb and pellet gun as a kid. Was fun to shoot at targets. A gun for protection and food isn't wrong or bad and necessary in lot's of places. People who trophy hunt and kill an innocent animal to then stuff it and display it in their den like Trump's kids should be shot. 

I don't own one but would buy one when the Apocalypse comes to defend my stuff. And it's coming fursure. I should be dead by then hopefully But Mad Max is the way the future will end up oneday I believe . I hope I'm wrong. 

Shall not be infringed.

I have a pelet gun for iguanas and a black powder cannon

Im good

"a" gun, sure!

and the god n' guns vein runs DEEEEP in this country. step outside of palo alto a moment lltd...

I don't own a gun, but I like shooting them at a range.  I do live in a very rural area. The quickest the "local" sheriff can get here is 80 minutes. Response time is typically over 2 hours if he's busy and it's not life or death.  Most of my neighbors are armed and some open-carry their handguns, women included.  I don't feel safer, but it's their state-right to do so.  Some also still ride their horse in to town along the rural roads, so territory is a big part of gun ownership.  I wish guns didn't exist, but I wish for a lot f things that will never happen unless human behavior somehow at some time makes a remarkable transformation.  

At this point, the only positive thing I can say about gun ownership is that it allows the physically inept to effectively threaten anyone else.

In that sense, it's the great equalizer (depending on how big you can go)<<<

This is a critical point in any meaningful debate.   Not sure if there are any easy solutions to preserve an individual's inalienable right to self defense with society's need to impose reasonable measures to limit the destructive capability of a single person.

any more cop questions?

I choose not to own guns, but I enjoy shooting my friends pistols and rifles.
 

My brother in law recently bought a gun for his home during the Trump era, and was worried that civil unrest and BLM would come to his affluent neighborhood and be at his front door. I told him that I could not live with myself If I killed someone, even if they were in my home. I also pointed out what a small percentage of the population he was afraid of.

Home or gun 

@fabes

 I told him that I could not live with myself If I killed someone, even if they were in my home.

I'm with you but if they were a threat to your family you might change your tune. Never know until your faced with a serious terrible situation. Thank god I was too young for Vietnam and too old to be drafted now. I think I might have had no problem kiling Nazis though. Buy we'll never know.

As for the original question, under the Second Amendment, individuals in this country have the right to own firearms.   See District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) ("There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right to keep and bear arms.").    Absent an amendment to the Constitution, that is not going to change.

 But the Court went on to explained:

"Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases, commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose. See, e.g., Sheldon, in 5 Blume 346; Rawle 123; Pomeroy 152–153; Abbott 333. For example, the majority of the 19th-century courts to consider the question held that prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons were lawful under the Second Amendment or state analogues. See, e.g., State v. Chandler, 5 La. Ann., at 489–490; Nunn v. State, 1 Ga., at 251; see generally 2 Kent *340, n. 2; The American Students’ Blackstone 84, n. 11 (G. Chase ed. 1884). Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."

The Ninth Circuit is currently looking into whether California's prohibition against large capacity magazines is Constitutional.   A three-judge panel already struck down that law, but the entire Ninth Circuit (en banc) is taking another look at the question.   My guess is they will also find it un-Constitutional.   However, whatever happens, the Supreme Court is poised to expand gun rights further.

> Shall not be infringed.

You forgot the well regulated Militia part, Bss. And that's one interpretation, Ken. Court rulings get overruled when they're shown to be flawed or outdated.

I don't own a gun, and I don't want to own a gun. I've shot a few, and that's about enough for me. Too much power too easily unleashed.

I don't want fear at the center of my life, and it seems like most folks who own guns do. They say they need to defend themselves. That's fear talking.

I also don't want to live in a nation where people feel like they need to carry guns. That doesn't sound like freedom to me.

No I didn't. The well regulated militia refers to the people, mike.

Well regulated (in the King's English,) meant prepared, willing, equipped. That's all.

I don't own guns either. 

Well, if you didn't forget the well regulated Militia part, Bss, you left it out.

And I don't disagree with your definition of "well regulated", but a militia is generally understood to be "a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies."

Who understands the National Guard to be a militia? Their understanding is flawed. The National Guard are reserves of the active federal Army and Air Forces, flat out.

I served in the National Guard for a good while. I didn't get to take the guns home, though. Nor the tanks. That's actually against federal law. Because they're federal guns, maintained under federal law a federal armory.

conversely, bringing your own guns to a guard drill is also a big no-no.

see?

Mike, the US Supreme Court discussed the whole "well regulated militia" language at length in Heller when it held that the Second Amendment provides individuals with the right to own firearms for personal defense, irrespective of whether they are in a militia.   I understand that even the Supreme Court can reverse itself, but that is rare and with the current makeup of the court, Heller is the law of the land and will probably be so for the concievable future.

The Second Amendment is the 800 pound gorrila in the room that makes any sort of sweeping gun control laws that many people understandably would like to see enacted unrealistic.  

I wasn't suggesting that the National Guard is thought of as a militia, Bss. The point I was trying to make is that a militia is generally understood to be a body made up of individuals, and not an individual him or herself.

I'm surprised to hear you weren't allowed to take the tanks home though. That's kind of disappointing. Whatever happened to It's not just a job; it's an adventure. (And yes, I know that was an Army sales pitch.)

And Ken, I get that the current interpretation of the Second Amendment (aka the law) vests rights upon individual citizens, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. The law can be changed, and it should, IMNSHO.

I'm sure Frank Purdue would love guns banned so you have to buy all your poultry from him.

I like throwing stones at designated targets on the beach.  Lots of bonding with the kiddo on that one over the years.

>>>I like throwing stones at designated targets on the beach.  Lots of bonding with the kiddo on that one over the years.

Did your kid dance and shake his bones whilst throwin' stones.

"...I'd like to learn how to shoot a bow, with the ultimate goal of killing deer...."

We have several different Deer Seasons here in Jerseyland,  some are Doe Season, others where you can kill a Buck if you kill a Doe first,  and then there's other rules regarding which weapons are allowed in that particular season.

No rifles allowed for Deer in NJ. The reasoning behind that is -- densely populated State and rifle ammunition travels further compared to Buckshot.

Bow,  Muzzle-Loader,  and Shotgun are the legal choices within their time-frames.
When you kill a Deer,  the law is that you call in your Tag # and Hunting License # and the Zone / GPS coordinates where it was killed.  All that information goes into a database so the Fish & Game administration can track the Harvest.  After that process you can then remove your Deer  from the property,  and bring to the Butcher.

Actually the Bow / Arrow people tend to use high-tech crossbows with optical sights (a scope), not the Compound Bow from olden times.
The arrows often have an LED tail so you can find them if you miss.

doolittle, No, lol.

But he did rattle my bones on more than one occasion.

Yes, our GENIUS Forefathers saw why we need to have the RIGHT to own guns!

Nothings changed, if anything we need this RIGHT MORE NOW THAN EVER! The "Peaceful Riots" demand it.

My M1911 45cal ACP

Look at Chicago, they have some of the toughest gun laws in the country... hasn't stopped the violence.....

Look at States with laws for legal ownership. Less gun crime over all....

Criminals love easy targets, that can't defend themselves..... PS almost all CRIMINALS are ARMED!

More people are killed a year in the US from DUI accidents than being shot.

i've shot crossbows and compound bows with my crazy friend. good fun. he's not able to legally own guns or he would...

Oh good. 2Derp Dan brought his penis extension to play with.

> More people are killed a year in the US from DUI accidents than being shot.

Wrong, and not even really close. Also, the firearm figure doesn't include suicides.

In 2018, 13,958 people in the U.S. died from firearm homicide.

https://health.ucdavis.edu/what-you-can-do/facts.html

In 2018 there were 10,511 people killed in alcohol-impaired- driving crashes.

https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812864#:~:te....

mike

I don't have that problem, like you...

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hahahahaha

> a micro peepee

What are you six-years old?

Says the CHILD that went to the penis to began with.. you're pathetic Mikey! Can't take the TRUTH!

hahahahaha

Have you heard?

The shooter was one of you.... an ANTI-TRUMPER

You guys scare me.... so much HATE in your souls

Anyway,  the people that hunt Deer here on my Farm are all quite responsible about abiding by the Rules and not making a mess.  They help out with Woods-road maintenance a bit.

One of them even comes out post-season and throws a few bags of Corn out when food is scarce ( Snow cover).

Actually,  they all like napping in their tree stands watching the Birds and Squirrels post - and pre - season.

Dan, Raz made this thread for you. 

https://vivalazone.org/other-stuff/requiem-trumper-or-bernie-baby

Greg had a couple of guns that I target shot a couple of times. It was sort of fun, but very short-lived fun. What made a much longer lasting impression on me was one day when his brain was fairly close to no longer working he reached into a shelf of blankets and brought out a cloth-wrapped elegant long-barreled handgun and handed it to me with no explanation. I thanked him, took it to another room that he couldn't make it to and breathed a deep breath of relief. Yes, there were bullets in it, along with a filled extra cylinder wrapped with it. I don't know if he could have figured out how to use it at that point but it was a great relief that he hadn't tried. There was also a bayonet and a long thin knife. I didn't know any of them were here or on that shelf. I gave the gun and knives to our son, told him if he was going to sell the gun that he not sell it to someone who would use it to kill someone. I was too busy and distracted with watching Greg and never asked what our son did with them. I'll ask him sometime.

>>>>>More people are killed a year in the US from DUI accidents than being shot.

So, why do you need to have a .45 and 4 clips?

The law can be changed >>>
 

Would require 2/3 of the senate to vote for it so no it won't be changed. 
 

It is true that fascists usually try to take away the public's firearms. Get the wrong person in office who is able to get gun control on the citizens and a new American hitler can rise

Your odds of getting shot increase exponentially if you are anywhere near a gun

Pig loved his guns. Remember the story where Robert Plant and Jimmy page were visiting I think Bill Graham's office or some other place in SF and Pig was there and I think shot off a pistol and Plant and Page high tailed it out of there scared as shit. Or something like that.

< almost all CRIMINALS are ARMED!>

Do you just make things up for fun? I'm not against guns for personal self defense, but you have proved yourself a big idiot again.

Not according to law enforcement -- about an equal percentage of robberies are committed by crooks with firearms (about 40%) as without. The other 20 % have knives or other weapons. (That's 2017 FBI nationwide data.)

So that's 60 %, not almost all.

Don't you live in Northern Ca? Who are you afraid of rioting? Hippies at the Whole Foods in Sebstopol who can't get their spirrallina shake?  You're most likely to be robbed by a white high school kid looking for pills in your medicine chest than those colored folks rampaging wine country.

I'm sure there are other statistics to draw upon, but you get the point, right?  In the West -- only 31%  of robbers carry firearms.

Dan isn't getting any points, bless his pointed little head.

Boulder: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Parkland: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Aurora, CO: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Waffle House: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Midland/Odessa: AR-15
Poway synagogue: AR-15
Sutherland Springs: AR-15
Tree of Life Synagogue: AR-15

Boulder: AR-15  =Nutcase
Orlando: AR-15  =Nutcase
Parkland: AR-15  =Nutcase 
Las Vegas: AR-15  =Nutcase
Aurora, CO: AR-15  =Nutcase
Sandy Hook: AR-15  =Nutcase
Waffle House: AR-15  =Nutcase
San Bernardino: AR-15  =Nutcase
Midland/Odessa: AR-15  =Nutcase 
Poway synagogue: AR-15  =Nutcase
Sutherland Springs: AR-15  =Nutcase
Tree of Life Synagogue: AR-15  =Nutcase

So we know the nics mental health component of background checks isn't working so now what?

>Look at Chicago, they have some of the toughest gun laws in the country... hasn't stopped the violence.....<

because all of the neighboring states have lax laws and they just get imported from gun shows and whatever from there.

there should be a fucking iq test to buy one.

Gun ownership has been about the same since the 80's at 40%. 

https://jabberwocking.com/raw-data-gun-ownership-in-the-united-states/

Barretta PX4 Storm. Do you still love me Joel?

The disappointment is easier to bare if you just stop believing in the USA 
We're a joke and the flag is toilet paper. Who gives a fuck about owning a gun??   

> It is true that fascists usually try to take away the public's firearms. Get the wrong person in office who is able to get gun control on the citizens and a new American hitler can rise

Trump was no Hitler, Timpane, but he strongly supported gun ownership and was/is a fascist.

And by the way, where were all the guns during the attempted coup in January? I thought the whole idea of a well regulated militia was so that citizens could defend themselves against a tyrant who tried to unlawfully seize control of the government.

I think that it's pretty safe to say that no handguns or rifles, automatic or not, would protect the citizenry from a tyrant who had control of the military. The Wolverines would be holed up in the Rockies, mounting a resistance, and one cookie cutter bomb would blow them to kingdom come. It ain't 1788 anymore, with muskets and bayonets.

You could make a case that, as the 2nd Amendment is a check and balance on a corrupt government, that any and all handguns/rifles could be banned, and that citizens would have te right to buy RPGs, claymores, bazookas, military drones, SAMs, etc.

Fuck guns unless you hunt for your own food.  Those guns should also be stored at a local armory when not in use.  With the uptick in gun violence, all handguns and assault rifles should be banned. 

I hate to admit this, but I agree with JR.

>I'm with you but if they were a threat to your family you might change your tune. Never know until your faced with a serious terrible situation.
 

I keep a 3 foot piece of aluminum electrical service cable by my bed, and I will wrap it around a mother fuckers head that comes into the house. 

My grandfather worked as a longshoreman and said he had many run-ins with sketchy shit happening down on the docks.  He told me a gun was too much trouble and dangerous, so under his seat he had a small burlap bat filled with sand weighing about 5 pounds. 

Point being there are alternatives to these gun fucks.

Also, his generation were a lot tougher and badass then mine. 

I do appreciate the "gun" threads, despite just about everyone getting riled up.

I certainly can understand someone wanting a firearm to feel safer if they live in a remote location.

I feel that it all comes down to a careful, honest risk/benefit analysis regarding such decisions (doesn't every decision of any degree call for this?)

I imagine that insurance companies would have something to say about the $ part of things.

Our homeowners' insurance dropped when we installed a security alarm in our house.  How does owning a gun affect homeowners/renters/life/car insurance?

(too lazy/busy to look that up)

The main annoyance to me (that's a light term) is that mass shootings still keep happening and it seems illogical to allow this to keep going on without earnestly trying to prevent them from happening at all.

I guess that animals are constantly murdering and being murdered in nature.  Humans are animals as well.  We just don't tend to eat human.

A bandana tied to a master lock works. A sock with quarters taped up with electrical tape, actually got hit with one of those in Jr. high. 

And there's always the "Monkey-Grab-Peach-Go-Home" technique, though that's generally for close physical containment attempts from the perp.

Police killed twice as many Americans than mass shooters did in 2020, and very few will ever have to answer for much of it. That's not a minimization of the horror of mass shootings. I lost three friends myself in a mass shooting event in September 2011. One of the friends who didn't die actually had the text of the second amendment tattooed over the scar tissue where one of the bullets exited his forearm. Interestingly, he wasn't carrying that day. Man we sure do love up some guns in this country. Wish they would disappear off of this earth, but that's just not very realistic. I hear they even make them in pink now!

more of a Louisville slugger fan here. Keep it handy. Never know when a game's gonna break out...