Scott, a 7 year old German Shepherd was stolen by a fraud posing as a dog trainer. The owner is a neighbor in Palo Alto and has hired a lawyer and notified the police.
Scott is microchipped. The 'trainer' Josie Ragland disappeared and might be traveling with Scott. The police are looking to speak with her.
her Thumbtack listing (where she advertised her services) is now removed. her FB profile was deleted. She might be working with some shady people in the East Bay or Humboldt.
Media have also been contacted. This woman who stole the dog actually tried to return a different Sheperd with Scott's collar. Some real shady shit.
Carolina just wants her dog back. Please contact Palo Alto Police and Humboldt Police with any leads, both are investigating. Or send me a message and I can forward to Carolina and the authorities
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Wednesday, January 11, 2023 – 04:37 pm
Have to say that the
Have to say that the professional SF Bay dog community and dog owners have been phenomenal and their Nancy Drew skills have put mine to shame. They already ran a background check on the fraud, and tracked down a few leads and managed to save the Thumbtack link, contacting former 'clients' and friends they found on FB.
justice is coming for the bitch who stole Scott, please spread the word and help bring him home to his family.
and Never send a dog to a 'board and train' facility - most are awful
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf Bss
on Wednesday, January 11, 2023 – 04:40 pm
Off with her head.
Off with her head!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Wednesday, January 11, 2023 – 04:45 pm
Maybe put a shock collar on
Maybe put a shock collar on her for a while first ( her method of 'training')
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GDTRFB StrawBud
on Wednesday, January 11, 2023 – 05:16 pm
Wow, that's so sad, cruel,
Wow, that's so sad, cruel, and unusual. I hope that the the dog is soon found alive & well.
The thieves can jump or get shoved off the planet.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ LLOLLO
on Wednesday, January 11, 2023 – 05:17 pm
why why why?
why why why?
incomprehensible to me that people even consider doing this.
you are kind to help, Nancy.
hope you are enduring the storms ok.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Wednesday, January 11, 2023 – 05:24 pm
Scott's owner has yet to post
Scott's owner has yet to post a reward for his return, but might soon, which should draw the thrives out. They're either holding Scott hostage or worse.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Wednesday, January 11, 2023 – 06:28 pm
She disconnected her cell
full name Josephine M Ragland
27 years old.
Possible aliases: IceNinjaCat, Emily Sanders
possible accomplice: Shan Zhang
she has family is Irvine, Laguna Hills, Lakewood and Fullerton Ca. Also in Delaware County, Ohio.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Alan R StoneSculptor
on Wednesday, January 11, 2023 – 06:37 pm
Hot dog !!! (Opps sorry, I
Hot dog ! (Opps sorry, I thought this was the other thread.)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Wednesday, January 11, 2023 – 09:51 pm
Sounds like Thumbtack wants
Sounds like Thumbtack wants to avoid a lawsuit and might actually do something to remedy the situation and try and get Scott back from the person who used their platform to steal the pup.
I was talking to a few lawyers today and was pointed in the direction of a couple of non profits that help in these types of situations. One lawyer said that she would look into it a bit as she recalled someone in Ohio doing something like this and thinks it could be the same person. This is why POLICE need to do their jobs and not tell dog owners that it's a civil matter.
The Non Profit Joey's Legacy provided some resources and hopefully the Animal Legal Defense Fund will come though.
Really need some more media attention STAT.. please help spread the word on FB, Twitter or any Dog groups please.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Wednesday, January 11, 2023 – 10:06 pm
Any tips, contact Palo Alto
Any tips, contact Palo Alto Police Officer Mendoza 650-329-2413, [email protected] and reference Palo Alto Police Case number: 22-00055.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Friday, January 13, 2023 – 07:49 pm
Hey techie people, anyone
Hey techie people, anyone have a minute to help track Josie's IP address? Send me an email, please. Thank you.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Friday, January 13, 2023 – 08:28 pm
nevermind, I found it. she’s
nevermind, I found it. she’s in Mountain View!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Friday, January 13, 2023 – 11:41 pm
please share if you do the
please share if you do the Tiktok
https://www.tiktok.com/@theycallmeamfb/video/7188288390909988138?_r=1&_t...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee Herbal Dave
on Saturday, January 14, 2023 – 12:55 am
IceNinjaCat seems like more
IceNinjaCat seems like more of a cat person. Look at those glasses!
Hope Scott is doing okay and is reunited soon with his owners.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Saturday, January 14, 2023 – 12:26 pm
Bodycam the arrest please.
Bodycam the arrest please.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Alan R StoneSculptor
on Saturday, January 14, 2023 – 01:57 pm
Let's all be honest...Scott
Let's all be honest...Scott is a stupid name for a dog, much less a shepherd.
Besides the fact that I'd be calling him and four of my friends would turn around, the dog is probably embarrassed that his name is not Rex or Bullet or some cool Grateful Dead name.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits Dise
on Saturday, January 14, 2023 – 06:15 pm
That sucks for your friend. I
That sucks for your friend. I wonder though if this woman pulled a Brady Bunch? Like maybe the dog ran away or died in her care and she tried to pass off a different dog as Scott? Too embarrassed to admit that she fucked up maybe?
I guess I just don't understand stealing someone else's pet when the shelters are full of sweet animals that need homes.
I also don't get why a dog owner would send their animal away to be trained by someone else who uses a shock collar on it, if they care about their pet. That's kind of fucked up! It's pretty much torture and waters down my sympathy for your friend considerably.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee Herbal Dave
on Saturday, January 14, 2023 – 06:20 pm
Yeah, Alan, if you try to say
Yeah, Alan, if you try to say "Scottttttt!" to try to blame your fart on the dog, nobody will be looking at the dog. There's no point in a name like that!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Saturday, January 14, 2023 – 06:29 pm
Unfortunately many folks who
Unfortunately many folks who get dogs don't understand the importance of positive reinforcement and science based training and are easily fooled by 'trainers' who give horrid advice and maybe watched 'the dog whisperer' and think that BS about being the 'pack leader' is impressive. Carolina realizes her mistake now and understands that trusting the reviews on a platform like Thumbtack was a huge mistake.
Josie had a good thing going charging thousands of dollars for hundreds of clients and probably took in way too many dogs over the holidays and either lost/misplaced Scott. Or since he wasn't neutered maybe got attacked by another dog. Josie was based in Alameda and probably had way too many dogs crammed in a wearhouse under the guise of a 'board and train' facility.
Either way, she needs to be held accountable and whatever happened to Scott needs to be disclosed. She misrepresented herself as a qualified trainer. She had a good thing going fleecing unsuspecting Bay Area clients for about a year and it was inevitable that something like this would happen with an unethical and illegal operation.
the lawyer representing Carolina will probably go after Thumbtack. The platform claims to check qualifications and background check, but Josie made numerous false claims. Had no permits, CA business license, education in the field, or insurance, contrary to her claims on the platform
Scout > Scott
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: An organ grinder’s tune Turtle
on Saturday, January 14, 2023 – 06:59 pm
Who steals pets? Lame.
Who steals pets? Lame.
neighbors had a Great Dane named Andy, I thought that was a bad name also.
nacy has their ip....sucks po po no no
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic (Bluestnote)
on Saturday, January 14, 2023 – 07:34 pm
When Josie comes home (no
When Josie comes home (no good!)
She's reviled in the neighborhood
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Saturday, January 14, 2023 – 11:46 pm
Pretty cool cyber stalking /
Pretty cool cyber stalking / doxxing thread!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Sunday, January 15, 2023 – 03:35 pm
https://paloaltoonline.com
https://paloaltoonline.com/news/2023/01/15/missing-dog-mystery-sparks-po...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees FaceOnMars
on Sunday, January 15, 2023 – 05:16 pm
That sucks for your friend. I
That sucks for your friend. I wonder though if this woman pulled a Brady Bunch?<<<<
... all kidding aside, it does suck!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits Dise
on Sunday, January 15, 2023 – 06:48 pm
'RIP Scott, that's really sad
'RIP Scott, that's really sad.
"The Palo Alto resident thought her beloved German shepherd, Scott, would only be gone for two weeks when she entrusted him to a trainer in mid-December to help him get over a few nervous habits he exhibited after emigrating from Brazil."
Who thinks sending a dog with anxiety to a stranger that uses shock collars is a a good idea? Of course it ran away! I seriously doubt he was stolen, people don't pay for pure bred dogs with zero proof the sire is pure. A "pedigree" means nothing without the paperwork proof. His owner sounds a bit bonkers and 10x more concerned with money than the sweet pup.
The trainer totally did a shitty job and 100% should be liable for the value of the dog if that's what his owner wants...money, *unless the owner signed a release that absolves the trainer of liability if the animal is hurt, runs off, or dies. Then, I guess the owner can sue thumbtack if that's how she heals...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Sunday, January 15, 2023 – 07:37 pm
Not many people are buying
Not many people are buying Josie's story, which she came up with only days after she tried to pass off a different dog and when police report was filed
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits Dise
on Sunday, January 15, 2023 – 08:11 pm
Eh, it sounds like the dog
Eh, it sounds like the dog owner is litigious and trying to build a case to get rich quick suing thumbtack. Doesn't matter if people don't believe the trainer. The fact is its just a dog without the proper paperwork, which the trainer doesn't have (unless the owner gave her that too?).
The trainer sucks and comes off pretty heartless, frankly, but her story sounds way more plausible than the dog is still alive and she's secretly keeping him for profit lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits Dise
on Sunday, January 15, 2023 – 08:11 pm
Eh, it sounds like the dog
oops double post
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Sunday, January 15, 2023 – 09:09 pm
Thanks for sharing your
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the matter, Dise. Carolina went to the police who originally told her it's a civil matter so if one wants to interpret the owner of a family pet as looking for a payday I suppose that's one way to interpret the situation.
most of us who understand what it mean to have a family pet go missing or worse want to ensure that Josie is exposed for being a fraud and obviously want get to the truth and hopefully Scott back to his family.
if it mean suing Josie to prevent her from ever setting up shop again, so be it. More news agencies are investigating now and maybe will get the police to investigate.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Sunday, January 15, 2023 – 10:17 pm
Josie isn't the only criminal
Josie isn't the only criminal doing this
https://abc7news.com/dog-scam-training-theft-puppy/11488717/
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee Herbal Dave
on Monday, January 16, 2023 – 12:05 am
So what was it that attacked
So what was it that attacked Scott? The details in that story are a little vague. Call up Mulder and Scully, sounds like it could be a chubacabra.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits Dise
on Monday, January 16, 2023 – 04:28 pm
Thanks for sharing your
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the matter, Dise. Carolina went to the police who originally told her it's a civil matter so if one wants to interpret the owner of a family pet as looking for a payday I suppose that's one way to interpret the situation.
Another way to interpret the situation is she could've said she intends to donate to a no kill animal shelter instead of cashing in if she wins.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Tuesday, January 17, 2023 – 09:08 pm
Update:
Update:
SF Police are also now investigating Josie Fenn Ragland - multiple victims have come forward. Talked to two former clients today who used her services a couple of weeks ago - same approx time that Carolina hired her to board her dog. More clients in Oakland filing reports too. This scam artist endangered so many pets.
Josie never told them anything about a "family emergency" - only that their dogs came home from Josie's "care" injured and clearly neglected. Some dogs were returned without their collars, leashes, meds, etc that were sent to the "board and train" with them. One of the clients called Josie TODAY and asked if she could pick up the dog's possessions. Josie said "they're in the mail". Her BIL is a SF Detective.
I've just connecting everyone and passing along police, media and lawyer contacts.
Thumbtack is sending Josie's former clients legal documents sign, trying to limit the platform's liability
Reward for Scott's return is now growing too.
NBC investigative reporter on it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Wednesday, January 18, 2023 – 09:56 pm
https://www.nbcbayarea.com
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/missing-dog-palo-alto/3133268/?amp=1
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Alan R StoneSculptor
on Thursday, January 19, 2023 – 01:48 pm
Damn, made the news!
Damn, made the news! Hopefully someone in Humbolt will see that and feel guilty / get worried about having a newly stolen dog and return him. That "escape" story is bullshit.
Maybe NBC News can help bring this Scott home, too. He's been busking in front of the Warfield since the Dec Phil shows and his parents on the East Coast are worried.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Friday, January 20, 2023 – 06:50 pm
MORE clients are coming
MORE clients are coming forward and sharing horrible experiences about this scam artist and her "board and train"
Josie charges $2700 per dog for 2 weeks of "board and train".
I am really hoping that Scott was just sold as a stud and might be reunited with his owner after all of the media attention and law enforcement involved. One woman who filed a police report just happens to have family in the SF PD - a detective. Her dog was returned with an injured hip, and covered in excrement. Josie didn't return her pup's belongings and claimed they she put them in the mail.
And, I'm feeling more confident that Scott will be found alive after reading this message from a GS owner:
>OMG, I have three stories similar to this off the top of my head. My trainer friend boarded his dog with the person who taught him how to train dogs (Call them JM for clarity). My friend's dog was an extremely well-trained police K9 and a beautiful dog. He got the call three days into his vacation that his dog had died suddenly (trainer friend was in another country visiting relatives), so he asked to have his dog necropsied and got the next flight out. When he got back, JM told him he still owed for three days, and a necropsy was impossible, which was crazy, and no explanation for how the dog died; my friend was furious. Two years later, he was at a K9 conference and saw his dog with another police agency. He got with the agency and K9 sergeant and found out JM sold this dog to the police agency for $60K, fully trained. JM was given a fine and banned from AKC events for a year. This same person boarded my first dog's breeder's stud (my dog's sire), who was a fully trained German K9 from Germany and was retired because his handler died suddenly (handler was my breeder's brother). My breeder has a couple of litters from this stud; the dog always has a specific quirk after he has been bred. My breeder picked up his dog, and he was displaying that particular quirk. He asked JM if she had bred his dog or if his dog had gotten out and accidentally bred another dog. JM said no. Shortly after that, she began to advertise she had a litter of puppies; the period between his stud's stay and the litter was too coincidental. He involved law enforcement, AKC, UKC, and the Schutzhund oversight committee (USCA). They demanded genetic testing, and poof; it was his dog, not JM's stud, who sired the litter (her stud produced pretty ordinary litters but was a "champion," while my breeder's stud had some gorgeous intelligent working line litters). AKC and UKC banned JM from registering litters or participating in any AKC or UKC-sanctioned shows for life, and USCA did the same.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf Bss
on Friday, January 20, 2023 – 07:03 pm
Well, this makes a lot more
^Well, this makes a lot more sense than the "attacked to death up at my friend's house in humboldt" bit.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Friday, January 20, 2023 – 07:09 pm
Of course Police dogs are
Of course Police dogs are worth way more than your average pure bred GS, however since Scott is from Brazil any backyard Breeder would pay to diversify the gene pool, at least that's what I was told by the GS breeders.
again, that would be the best case scenario
it's also possible Josie's greedy business practices led to neglect and abuse and the dog died in her care. And she refuses to accept responsibility and made up some ridiculous take to explain his disappearance
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Monday, January 30, 2023 – 05:13 am
Bumping for updates on Karen
Bumping for updates on Karen's dog.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Monday, January 30, 2023 – 05:22 pm
Her name is Carolina, but you
Her name is Carolina.
But since you're here and want to help bring Scott home, that's cool. Thanks for the bump.
The update is that Carolina is still grieving the loss of her dog and still hoping she can find him or at least the truth about what happened and prevent others from experiencing the same mistake of hiring a bad "trainer".
She's hired a P.I. to help locate her dog Scott and also locate the "dog trainer" who took her money and never returned her dog. And even more victims have come forward who have filed police reports of animal abuse and neglect against the same person who took Scott.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jazfish Jazfish
on Monday, January 30, 2023 – 06:55 pm
I agree. Scott is not a good
I agree. Scott is not a good dog name. It sounds like stop.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Thursday, February 2, 2023 – 09:35 pm
NBC Investigative Reporter with follow up piece airing tonight
@HildaGNews
>This 7 year old German Shepherd went missing while being in the care of a dog trainer. Now, six more clients of the same dog trainer are sharing their own experience with her--tonight at 6p and 7p on NBC Bay Area #scott #missingdog #missinggsd
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Friday, February 3, 2023 – 09:22 am
https://www.nbcbayarea.com
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/trainer-in-missing-palo-alto-d...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Saturday, February 4, 2023 – 05:26 pm
Scott owner will be donating
Scott's owner will be donating $$ to GS Rescue*
>Scott, a 7-year-old German Shepherd has been missing for a month and we are still not locating him. For this we are hiring a lawyer who will start a process to help us find him and start a process against the trainer responsible for Scott's disappearance and to try to prevent this from ever happening to another dog in the bay area.
Maybe to start a process to better understand exactly what happened to Scot and hold someone accountable for their actions as he was loved.
*Napa Valley Shepherd Rescue: Our mission is to rehabilitate/ rehome German Shepherd Dogs who are homeless, or at risk of euthanasia in area shelters.