Took my family out today for lunch and another family of 6 sat down a few tables away. About 15 minutes later another member of the other table comes in with this dingy dog and tell the manager it's an ESA and she needs she/he there with her while she eats.
The family was all petting it and loving up on it like it was a backyard picnic.
I felt bad for the couple next to them, they did not seemed thrilled to be in that situation.
I wanted to say something but felt like I might be insensitive at the time. The more I think about it I probably should have.
I'm not sure of the etiquette surrounding such circumstances? First time I've seen this.
I love dogs....believe in ESA.
At least make sure the animal is clean for those around if out and about.
Would I have been in the wrong to say something? Is it a stretch to say that if you are out to eat you should be able to leave your ESA at home while doing so? I'm not sure I feel real comfortable being in a place with someone who Isn't stable enough to leave their pet alone incase of a mental/emotional breakdown.
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on Saturday, July 8, 2017 – 04:41 pm
It depends. Plastic
It depends. Plastic silverware?
The Internet told me most ESAs are bullshit.
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on Saturday, July 8, 2017 – 04:44 pm
No, it was a chain restaurant
No, it was a chain restaurant with real silverware. Lol...thanks, made me chuckle!
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on Saturday, July 8, 2017 – 04:52 pm
Waiting for ESA lion to be
Waiting for my ESA lion to be delivered via amazon
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on Saturday, July 8, 2017 – 05:06 pm
Very few are as cool as
Very few are as cool as Daniel the emotional support duck I bet.
Daniel the emotional support duck takes his first plane ride, soars in popularity
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Saturday, July 8, 2017 – 05:07 pm
Americans With Disabilities
Americans With Disabilities cites that emotional support dogs or animals do not have the training to do specific tasks in assisting a person with disability or impairment, unlike service animals. Hence, the pets may not be allowed to accompany their owner in public places ie. restaurants, stores, hotels.
https://esadoctors.com/are-emotional-support-dogs-allowed-in-public-places/
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry heathentom
on Saturday, July 8, 2017 – 05:27 pm
If you had said something to
If you had said something to the people with the dog you would have likely just gotten a snotty, angry response/argument, and who wants that while having dinner?
It's always a slippery slope when dealing with these type of things, but at least as I understood them from about three years ago the laws are actually pretty clear on the differences between service animals and emotional support animals.
Unlike service animals ESA's do not need to have any specific training. All that's required is for the owner to have a note from a doctor. But unlike service animals, places of public accommodation like a restaurant or concert venue are not required to allow access for ESA's, even with the hallowed note. This is different than when trying to secure housing where pets/animals are not allowed, where an ESA must be permitted as a reasonable accommodation, but public venues are not included in that.
In other words, that restaurant could have legally refused the animal, but most places either don't know the difference in requirements between service animals & ESA's or they just don't want a snotty response/argument of their own.
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on Saturday, July 8, 2017 – 05:48 pm
>>>But unlike service animals
>>>But unlike service animals, places of public accommodation like a restaurant or concert venue are not required to allow access for ESA's,
then how do all those able bodied wooks get their pitbulls into places like BGCA?
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on Saturday, July 8, 2017 – 06:03 pm
Because the people from NES
Because the people from NES at the doors either don't know the difference or they don't want the argument.
And it's possible that one or two or those wooks has documentation that their pit has been specifically trained and is officially a service animal. The human (or wook) does not have to prove any disability of their own.
And naturally Briank says what I said with half the words.
I do go on.
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on Saturday, July 8, 2017 – 06:08 pm
I just copied and pasted.
I just copied and pasted.
We actually just put the kaibosh on ESAs at our adult ed learning centers. Too many untrained, barking, yapping and garbage eating dogs. Some staff were not happy because they could no longer bring their dogs to work. Most students were actually happier.
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on Saturday, July 8, 2017 – 08:43 pm
What if your ESA is a water
What if your ESA is a water buffalo?
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on Saturday, July 8, 2017 – 09:16 pm
Fred or Barney?
Fred or Barney?
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on Saturday, July 8, 2017 – 09:24 pm
Took me a second...
Took me a second...;)
Either....as good an ESA as any...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sycamore Slough Disco Stu
on Saturday, July 8, 2017 – 09:30 pm
Hüsky is my well-trained
Hüsky is my well-trained Socialization Dawg, but has no credentials.
I bring H.I.M. any place that he is allowed, and also other places. Libraries & Churches accept H.I.M.
He never acts up or poops indoors, and just Chills. He is good at Bars & Restaurants. Never thieves Food from tables or steals Beer.
However, He will rummage ground-trash that other Restaurant patrons have dropped. So I have to watch out for that.
He did stroll along the Asbury Park Boardwalk the other day, but the cops did not issue citations. Some scratched his Fuzzy ears.
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on Saturday, July 8, 2017 – 11:18 pm
Has anyone tried the
Has anyone tried the Emotional Support Python gambit yet?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry heathentom
on Saturday, July 8, 2017 – 11:28 pm
People often use snakes as
People often use snakes as ESA's. I've seen snakes, birds, rats, lizards. I saw someone with a squirrel once.
People are strange.
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on Saturday, July 8, 2017 – 11:35 pm
Weren't they Not Called Guide
Weren't they Not Called Guide Dogs back in the day ? Sadly the Service has been Exploited and Over Serviced from Fakes !! ? Fakes as in YOU Human !
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on Saturday, July 8, 2017 – 11:45 pm
John Wayne would Say Grow
I saw someone with a squirrel once.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
John Wayne would Say Grow Some Hair and a Pair ( oh i need this uh no ya don't fake - john wayne )
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on Sunday, July 9, 2017 – 03:27 am
^ thats just nuts...
^ thats just nuts...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: charmskooldropout hounder
on Sunday, July 9, 2017 – 07:39 am
Why not just eat your lunch
Why not just eat your lunch and mind your own bidness?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic (Bluestnote)
on Sunday, July 9, 2017 – 05:32 pm
Just back from the diner. A
Just back from the diner. A foursome at one of the patio tables included a dog. At the table. In the chair.
We opted for the AC'd interior.
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on Sunday, July 9, 2017 – 05:44 pm
One nice thing about Hüsky,
One nice thing about Hüsky, he is clean and not stinky or disheveled. So people who generally like Dogs won't be offended by his presence.
The local tourist/leisure towns of New Hope / Lambertville on either side of the Delaware River used to be very welcoming to Dogs at outdoor seating. These days, not as much. A few places still allow them and provide a nice bowl of Ice Water.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees FaceOnMars
on Monday, July 10, 2017 – 02:00 pm
Perhaps a dog barking in a
Perhaps a dog barking in a resturaunt is the "sound of Freedom"; accompanying a vet suffering from PTSD who is simply trying to be out and about in "the world" most of us take for granted?
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on Monday, July 10, 2017 – 02:08 pm
What if you are deathly
What if you are deathly allergic to dogs and one of these pieces of work sits down at the table next to you?
Anyone else suspect OG used has used the ESA gambit on more than one occasion?
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on Monday, July 10, 2017 – 03:08 pm
I want one......P..L..E..A..S
I want one......P..L..E..A..S..EEEEEEEEE
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Alias botb
on Monday, July 10, 2017 – 04:23 pm
So, if it were a restaurant
So, if it were a restaurant that simply allows dogs, would you not go there? I dunno, maybe it is because our town is fairly dog friendly it would never occur to me to either say anything or to not go to a restaurant because of dogs (maybe if I had an allergy). But then, I like dogs. I am sure there are poorly behaviored dogs in restaurants, but that's so rare I can't even recall an example--and if that did happen they'd be asked to take the dog out. I guess the worst I have seen is when someone lets a toddler loose to go poke at a dog and the dog growls. Which is usually on the parents of the dog. I have seen much more intrusive behaviors from kids than I ever have from dogs.
This article is a couple years old but an entertaining experiment in bringing support animals to NYC establishments. Support turkey, yes but apparently you cannot bring your support alpaca to a museum filled with priceless antique porcelain.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/20/pets-allowed