lol. Yeah she was out of key a lot of the time. When she was on it really added another dimension to their harmonies though. Phil was really having a tough time keeping up with their harmonic development after American Beauty. I love Keith. Too bad, he got way lost in the sauce. Pretty much was just a body on stage in 78-79. Some great shows still in those years but he was just gone
Put in Portland 74 and listen to her destroy a fantastic st stephen jam for way more than 2 seconds during greatest story
Listen to scarlet. She wrecks the outro every time. Whining like a dying cat. She sucked. Seriously sucked. P.S. Please don't digrace Brent by using him to snark. Listen to 6-20-87 and tell me it isn't a sonic masterpiece. Love 73-74 but we lost the bluesy edge of the organ. They sound thin at times.
She got demonstrably better over the years. The 72 Playins and OMSNs can be brutal, and 73-74 were often rough, but by 76 she was much more in tune and her harmonies were a key part of the sound by 77, both in the GD and the Jerry band.
"That's a fact" - Nope - opinion. - I saw plenty of shows -up close & personal. - She originally appeared on average 2 songs per set - back up vocals- low key. - Then the Playin screech- downhill from there. - Brent was the best thing that happened after that . - Donna sucked- pretty much - yes. - (I hear she's ok now though).
Ok, obviously not a fact. I never saw the band until 1992, so I will add that my opinion is only biased by the following thirty or so years of collecting and listening to their earlier music.
You can not like Donna if you want, of course that’s fine.
But I do challenge you to point to a moremusical time period for the band (than say, 75 - late 77ish) that also did not include donna. And why so?
Keith was great - early on ....72 thru 74 ...great years. Kind of a burnout after that many say - looked asleep onstage in the late 70's. ------------
Even Garcia said she couldn't hear herself onstage - hence singing off key way too much.
>>>She was good when I saw her with DSO. Playing and Music Never Stopped aren't quite the same without her.
I have to second that, but I do remember everybody sort of holding their breath right before her part in anticipation of a train wreck but she nailed it.
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on Sunday, June 28, 2020 – 01:15 pm
The Grateful Dead’s best
The Grateful Dead’s best music was made with Keith and Donna in the band. That’s a fact.
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on Sunday, June 28, 2020 – 01:53 pm
1968 thru 1970 have asked Bss
1968 thru 1970 have asked Bss to hold there collective beer. it is debatable but I do tend to agree with you
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on Sunday, June 28, 2020 – 01:56 pm
My favorite is how some can’t
My favorite is how some can’t even get passed the 2 second yell in an epic 30 min pitb. Sucks to be u guys
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on Sunday, June 28, 2020 – 02:04 pm
I blame Janis Joplin. Donna
I blame Janis Joplin. Donna was a back up singer at Muscle Shoals and then she moved to SF and tried too much to sound like Janis.
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on Sunday, June 28, 2020 – 02:05 pm
"Donna sucked"
"Donna sucked"
lol. Yeah she was out of key a lot of the time. When she was on it really added another dimension to their harmonies though. Phil was really having a tough time keeping up with their harmonic development after American Beauty. I love Keith. Too bad, he got way lost in the sauce. Pretty much was just a body on stage in 78-79. Some great shows still in those years but he was just gone
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on Sunday, June 28, 2020 – 02:33 pm
If it ain't Pig, it ain't
If it ain't Pig, it ain't Grateful Dead
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on Sunday, June 28, 2020 – 03:40 pm
68-70
68-70
maybe it is like you're first girlfriend ...
can't touch being in those moments
Of course it is very personal
And everyone has an opinion
77 worked too
long_live_the_dead
donna had moments where she contributed and perhaps even elevated...
long live mr pig
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on Sunday, June 28, 2020 – 04:24 pm
25min gnarly playin > bat
25min gnarly playin > bat outta hell banshee > playin
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on Sunday, June 28, 2020 – 04:29 pm
If she was good enough for
If she was good enough for Elvis and Jerry, well.......
But she did bring down a lot of highs I imagine.
What show was the dosed under the piano show? I want to hear that one. I think it was Paris 74?
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on Sunday, June 28, 2020 – 05:08 pm
She was good when I saw her
She was good when I saw her with DSO. Playing and Music Never Stopped aren't quite the same without her.
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on Sunday, June 28, 2020 – 05:19 pm
Yeah. Brent sucked too. Have
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brent sucked too. Have a nice day.
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on Sunday, June 28, 2020 – 07:10 pm
Put in Portland 74 and listen
Put in Portland 74 and listen to her destroy a fantastic st stephen jam for way more than 2 seconds during greatest story
Listen to scarlet. She wrecks the outro every time. Whining like a dying cat. She sucked. Seriously sucked. P.S. Please don't digrace Brent by using him to snark. Listen to 6-20-87 and tell me it isn't a sonic masterpiece. Love 73-74 but we lost the bluesy edge of the organ. They sound thin at times.
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on Sunday, June 28, 2020 – 08:10 pm
glad you got it off your
glad you got it off your chest op
this message board is full of people who dont give a fuck
*thumbs up emoji*
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on Sunday, June 28, 2020 – 08:11 pm
most people have shit
99% of people (plebs like op and 99% of zoners) have shit opinions about music
*toke*
change my mind.
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on Sunday, June 28, 2020 – 08:19 pm
Maybe, maybe not... but she
Maybe, maybe not... but she never had
Camel Joe
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on Sunday, June 28, 2020 – 08:51 pm
Long live The Grateful Dead.<
Long live The Grateful Dead.<<
Hear, hear.
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on Sunday, June 28, 2020 – 08:55 pm
99%?
99%?
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on Sunday, June 28, 2020 – 09:44 pm
99% is about right, maybe a
99% is about right, maybe a hundred come here.
And then the one.
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on Monday, June 29, 2020 – 12:35 am
She got demonstrably better
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on Monday, June 29, 2020 – 06:49 am
^^^
^^^
UncleSam is right on as usual.
ateix, If you feel 99% of the people here have bad taste in music - then why come here? Do you have a fantasy about "educating" the 99%? lol
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on Monday, June 29, 2020 – 08:32 am
Lol at Ateix's inferiority
Lol at Ateix's inferiority complex.
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on Monday, June 29, 2020 – 12:27 pm
"That's a fact" - Nope -
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf Bss
on Monday, June 29, 2020 – 01:02 pm
Ok, obviously not a fact. I
Ok, obviously not a fact. I never saw the band until 1992, so I will add that my opinion is only biased by the following thirty or so years of collecting and listening to their earlier music.
You can not like Donna if you want, of course that’s fine.
But I do challenge you to point to a more musical time period for the band (than say, 75 - late 77ish) that also did not include donna. And why so?
I’m saying I don’t feel there is one.
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on Monday, June 29, 2020 – 01:15 pm
Donnas screech vs. Weirs
Donnas screech vs. Weirs slide guitar?
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on Monday, June 29, 2020 – 01:20 pm
Jerry didn't think so,
Jerry didn't think so, considering she was in the GD and JGB... but what did he know about music............
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on Monday, June 29, 2020 – 02:57 pm
Keith was great - early on .
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on Monday, June 29, 2020 – 03:12 pm
She was in the band then too,
She was in the band then too, though (72-74). Almost seems we kind of agree huh?
I’m just saying their best music was made during the Keith and Donna years...
sure, we could nitpick and probably disagree over specific years, months, and particular shows...
Would've loved to have seen them when the music was still “new.”
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on Monday, June 29, 2020 – 03:28 pm
What's that story a out her
What's that story about her stage .monitor?
She couldn't hear her voice, or something?
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on Monday, June 29, 2020 – 05:50 pm
but keith swallowed !
but keith swallowed !
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on Monday, June 29, 2020 – 06:48 pm
They already had a pretty
They already had a pretty girl in the band, not sure why they needed to add Donna.
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on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 – 05:43 am
She sang so much different
She sang so much different with the jgb
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on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 – 06:02 am
^^ Who wears short shorts?
^^ Who wears short shorts? Lol
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on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 – 10:05 am
She did get all the to bad in
She did get all the to bad in the later seventies.
Does not mitigate that at times she destroyed songs during one of the finest periods in the band's history.
I've heard that pathetic excuse that she couldn't hear. If a PROFESSIONAL VOCALIST hears herself on recordings and she's out of key; WEAR HEADPHONES.
Long Live The Grateful Dead
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on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 – 10:06 am
After Europe'72 there is no
After Europe'72 there is no excuse.
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on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 – 10:16 am
Bigoff, maybe that's what I
Bigoff, maybe that's what I was referring to.
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on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 – 10:17 am
>>>She was good when I saw
>>>She was good when I saw her with DSO. Playing and Music Never Stopped aren't quite the same without her.
I have to second that, but I do remember everybody sort of holding their breath right before her part in anticipation of a train wreck but she nailed it.
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on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 – 10:18 am
Is there such a thing as
Is there such a thing as musical snowflakes?