Does anyone remember when those on this board propagated the Russia scam?

Forums: the name of protecting democracy?

Ass-Glitter Troll is repeating himself.

What are the actual names of the people in this “deep state” I mean - who are they?


     ^ One time I remember hearing or reading about a theory as to the "jingle jangle" noted in the song, the theory goes is that the guy Dylan is referencing has a pocket full of bottlecaps, hence anytime I have like 17 bottlecaps in my pocket jangling around I think of that line in the song.


    "What are the actual names of the people in this “deep state” I mean - who are they?"

John Brennan
James Comey
James Clapper
Peter Strzok
Andrew McCabe
Bruce Ohr
Nellie Ohr
Susan Rice
Sally Yates*

* and others

I see

and these “others” consist of whom, specifically?


     Let me take a moment before I answer that to say I take absolutely no pleasure in voicing my opinion of what just happened, and the circumstances that await the perpetrators.  To answer your question, I think eventually this goes to the Oval Office, and Obama stands trial for political espionage.

Ha. No.


Seriously, F this guy.



     I'm usually correct 

"remember when"? hell, it never stopped. i can't stand trump, but damn.

^^^”those on this board that propagated the Russian scam?”

No, the Trumps we’re “All In” on the Russia collusion 

Ah hum,,,”I’d do it again” 

FUCK king Cheeto 


Hey Bryen we should meet up at a Dead & Co show so I can give you the beating you deserve. You’re a fucking cunt and you know it. 


     ^ Stay classy McBadger :) *

     * For those that don't know, Badger McBadger was one of the chief cooks and bottle washers of the Russia scam around these parts before it was exposed as a fraudulent attempt to unseat a duly elected president cleverly disguised as defending [ironically subverting] democracy.  This was later recognized as the biggest scam in the 243 year history of the republic, needless to say, a sad day for Madison.


                        ^ blah blah man bad, orange man bad!


                         Translation:  Druba really really really doesn't like Trump!  He's absolutely certain of it!


                         Note:  Druba was officially "all in" on the Russia scam, check the transcript 

I don't like traitors

I don't like racists

I don't like those that pray on children 

I don't like presidents that get their intelligence from our enemies, while spiting our allies

I don't like pedophiles supported by the right

I don't like real estate developers that go bankrupt so they don't have to pay their painters, sheet rockers, plumbers, electricians, and the like

I don't like real estate developers that launder money for hostile nations

I don't like shady bankers and those that do crooked deals with them

I don't like willfully ignorant people who's only source of knowledge is "I know i'm right" or "I'm usually correct" , etc

But what's really sad is you're so deluded in your convictions that years worth of different types of evidence that so many hard working intelligent members of this group have provided, is wasted on a sycophant that can only throw out generalized rhetoric, and has so far been completely incapable of a single retort proving any of the massive volumes of evidence wrong....

I guess I don't like liars and trolls with no integrity...

very sad


     What are your thoughts on people who knowingly propagate falsehoods?  Surely you can hurriedly copy & paste something from Facebook...quickly!  Russia Scam Forever!!!!  Whatever it takes!  The ends justify the means!  Lie 'till it hurts!  Vladimir Vladimir Vladimir Yada Yada Yada!!!!!!!


In episode 171 of “Seinfeld,” George Costanza makes up a story about having a house in the Hamptons in order to avoid attending an event with his dead fiancée’s parents, the Rosses. He soon learns they know of his deception but the Rosses nevertheless accept an invitation to the fictitious house.

George picks them up and begins driving towards a house that doesn’t exist. Both the Rosses and George maintain the pretense until George drives to the end of island past the last house in the Hamptons. George silently pleads for the Rosses to put an end to the charade. The lie’s momentum took on a life of its own as the players all continued acting their parts long after the truth was known.

The episode comes to mind as the media has started backing away from the Russia collusion hoax. Like Costanza, many of the media perpetrators seem to know a reckoning is coming. Politico warned Trump haters, “Prepare for disappointment.” Other examples of expectation managing can be found, such as here, here, here, and here. Mueller’s longtime top deputy at the FBI recently warned, “A public narrative has built an expectation that the special counsel will explain his conclusions, but I think that expectation may be seriously misplaced.”

Most recently, the Senate Judiciary Committee announced that after almost two years of investigation, it has uncovered no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. Attorneys assigned to the Mueller team have quietly begun to slip away before the outcome of the investigation is made public (here, here, and here).
This is unsurprising. The Russia hoax is crumbling and people can’t run away fast enough. We’ve seen signs from the very beginning that many of the people who promoted the Trump-Russia collusion smear have always known it was a hoax. These signs have been in plain sight. Here is an incomplete list.

1. Because They Said So

On May 19, 2017, FBI agent Peter Strzok wrote FBI lawyer (and his paramour) Lisa Page his assessment of the Trump-Russia collusion accusations after nearly a year-long investigation: “There’s no big there there.” In June 2017, the following month, CNN’s Van Jones was secretly recorded saying, “The Russia thing is just a big nothingburger. There’s nothing there you can do.”
Bob Woodward of Watergate fame has been saying for some time that there’s no evidence of Trump-Russia collusion. Michael Isakoff of Yahoo news, who did some of the early Trump-Russia reporting, has admitted that many of the Trump-Russia claims are “likely false.”

2. There’s No Hurry, In Spite of a ‘National Emergency’
According to the conspiracy boosters, the leader of a hostile foreign power is using blackmail (kompromat) to control President Trump (see here, here, here, here, here, here, and here). In this last link, the New York Intelligencer asks whether our president would be meeting with his “counterpart or his handler” in a summit between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin. If that’s true, then Putin has control of both the U.S. and Russian nuclear arsenals!

Yet the special counsel has allowed President Trump to complete more than half of his first term without filing a report with Congress. The Washington Post opined, “No, the Mueller investigation isn’t taking too long.” The piece compared the length of the Mueller investigation to a selection of prior investigations.

This list included Iran-Contra (six years, eight months); Henry Cisneros’s mistress payments (11 years); and the Clinton Whitewater scandal (also six years, eight months). None of those scandals involved the accusation that a Russian agent occupied the White House. Tellingly, the Post equates the urgency of the Russia collusion investigation to the Iran-Contra affair.
Why isn’t the Washington Post demanding that Mueller immediately arm the public with the facts? If they truly believed their own narrative, they’d be thundering that Mueller’s lackadaisical pace leaves the nation in grave jeopardy.

3. The Dishonest Reporting of the Trump Tower Meeting
If you listen to a Russia collusion booster for more than five minutes, he will eventually point to the June 9, 2016 meeting between Donald Trump Jr. and a two Russians, Natalia Veselnitskaya and Rinat Akhmetshin. Even after the Senate Judiciary Committee concluded there is no evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians, one of the Senate investigators lamely referred to Trump Jr.’s original interest in participating in that meeting: “Donald Trump Jr. made clear in his messages that he was willing to accept help from the Russians.”

This “analysis” in the Washington Post is a typical example of the dishonest representation of that meeting. We can be assured with some confidence that the hoax-boosters don’t believe their own narrative because of their repeated failure to explain why the same people Clinton hired to paint Trump as colluding with the Russians also appeared to have been involved with setting up the June 9, 2016 meeting. (reported by Reuters) the very same contractor Hillary Clinton hired (Fusion GPS) to create the Trump-Russia dossier also created the “dirt” on Hillary Clinton that was used to bait Trump Jr. into attending the meeting.

If the Russians at the Trump Tower meeting represented the people who hacked the Democratic National Committee (DNC) server, then why wouldn’t they bring the hacked emails to the meeting? And why would Hillary’s subcontractor be the source of the dirt?

Also, don’t forget, Fusion GPS met with Veselnitskaya immediately before and after the meeting. Fusion GPS had pre-existing relationships with both of the Russians in the room, yet media deliberately ignore this crucial fact. The Washington Post, in particular, repeatedly ignores its own reporting to continue to push the Trump Tower meeting without mentioning Fusion GPS (another example can be found here).

In the absence of a viable alternate explanation, the media silence on Fusion’s role in the meeting presents the nearly inescapable inference that Fusion GPS set up the Trump Tower meeting to frame the Russia collusion story.

4. Protecting the Mueller Probe from Embarrassment
Is the Mueller investigation a political operation or a law enforcement investigation? In the normal conception of an investigation, the target tries to keep things hidden while the investigator fights to shine sunlight on the facts. In contrast, a political operation usually follows the opposite approach.

The narrative can be undone when its partisan origins are revealed. This is exactly why the Clinton campaign kept it secret that Clinton paid for the opposition research that started the Trump-Russia hoax. When you know the bias of the source of the information, it heightens the skepticism.

In September, hoax boosters launched a successful campaign to prevent the president from declassifying documents which, according to Rep.Matt Gaetz, would, “reveal to the American people some of the systematic corruption and bias that took place at the highest levels of the DOJ and FBI including using the tools of our intelligence community for partisan political ends.”
Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia argued, “The President shouldn’t be declassifying documents in order to undermine an investigation into his campaign or pursue vendettas against political enemies.” Why would keeping such abuses secret help the Mueller probe? Others have argued that revealing intelligence abuses would reveal sources and methods. But when the court overseeing those methods declares the intelligence community has “institutional lack of candor,” perhaps it’s time to do some disinfecting with sunlight. In a bygone era, the media would have championed that sunlight.

5. It’s About Shooting the Messenger
If it feels like the media is taking the Trump-Russia story personally, that’s because they are. Often forgotten is that the documents the Russians allegedly gave WikiLeaks revealed embarrassing evidence of journalistic coordination with the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton.

For example, CNN allowed the DNC to help draft questions for Trump. CNBC’s John Harwood asked the Clinton campaign manager what questions he should ask candidate Jeb Bush in an interview in 2015. Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank used the DNC as a source for an anti-Trump article.

DNC interim chair Donna Brazile, whom CNN employed as a contributor, fed the Clinton campaign questions Hillary Clinton would receive in a debate with Bernie Sanders. Politico’s Kenneth Vogel sent a copy of a story to the DNC before he sent it to his editors. The DNC leaked negative information to the Wall Street Journal to help Clinton win the primary. CNN contributor Maria Cardona had the DNC screen an op-ed she wrote blasting Sanders fans. The Russia hoax is, in part, the media’s revenge for this embarrassment.

6. Pushing the Hoax Makes Money
In spite of Jones and Strzok both correctly assessing the Russia hoax as “no big there” or a “nothingburger,” it’s kept going by gobs of money gushing out of true believers. Trump-Russia has been great for business. The media has raked in ratings and ad revenue pushing the hoax.

Billionaire Tom Steyer has committed $40 million towards impeaching Trump.
Anti-Trump social justice warriors can buy a lot of pink hats with that kind of money. Additionally, billionaire George Soros is lavishing additional funding on Fusion GPS to continue its “research.” When one googles “Mueller,” a paid advertisement from Common Cause comes up early in the search results. That ad campaign must cost a fortune.

Also, don’t forget that at least three journalists accepted money from Fusion GPS to work on special Russia research. Whoever these journalists are, they have not proudly stepped forward to claim credit for helping Fusion GPS’s research, so we have no way of knowing whether that same research ended up in their articles. Even the Washington Post lamented the role of Fusion GPS’s money in “renting” journalists to push stories.

We should be skeptical of any story that requires millions of dollars in dark money to perpetuate.

At the end of the “Seinfeld” episode, Costanza breaks down to admit that he lied about the house in the Hamptons. We’re unlikely to have a similar moment of clarity in the Russia hoax. In one poll, 80 percent of Democrats want Trump impeached and removed from office.

The Democrats have the House of Representatives and the power to impeach on a straight party-line vote.
The moment of truth is upon the hoax boosters. Like Costanza, the hoax boosters are running out of plausible locations in which the fictitious Russia collusion house could be located, and they know it. But unlike the “Seinfeld” episode, nothing about this hoax has been amusing.

The hoax boosters have dragged this country through a long nightmare.

The media and their willing accomplices in the DOJ will have a lot to answer for when the truth finally comes out. No wonder they’re pushing so hard to hide it.
     - Adam Mill


Bryen is okay with small children being treated like dogs, allowed to fester in lice and taking care of each other in cages at the southern border.  I'm with Bucky, Bryen should have a good beating coming his way.


     Jeff: "Russia!"


     Hannity:  New documents shed light on attempted coup 6.24.2019




So did you not read the Mueller report?


Let me tell you, I read much of it.


The unredacted version or no?


I read -- No I didn't.




I didn't. But let me just tell you --


So if he was subpoenaed --


You know what I read? I read the --


-- if he was subpoenaed you wouldn't know?


-- I read, I read the conclusion.




     Let me put it another way Druba, Gravy, Badger either have the goods on this guy or you don't, you and others have gone around for 2 years spreading false accusations, we are now well past the point at which you know those accusations to be false and yet you're still at it, I think that shows a profound lack of character.  You and others are knowingly, with intent and forethought propagating a known falsehood and will be remembered as having done's pathetic, as I'm sure you're well aware.


     ^ the irony

 ^ guilty pleas from 34 people and 3 companies in the Mueller probe (so far)


     ^ the now famous "process crimes" argument, designed to mislead the easily fooled, these "crimes" have nothing to do with the Trump campaign colluding, conspiring, or cooperating with Russia.  For those that don't know...anyone putting forth this argument has one goal in mind, to mislead the easily confused, of which there are many.

It's probably best if you leave this place and go and post on some traitor board Bryen. You know, the places that they chant 'lock her up' and 'she's not my type'.  You're right we're all idiots and we can't keep up with your elevated capacity.  You're the only one here to see the light.  

If none of those people are indicted will it still be the "the biggest scam in the 243 year history of the republic"?

I say YES, but it will be the Trump presidency viewed by history as the biggest scam in the 243 year history of the republic.

The Dunning-Kruger effect is a type of cognitive bias in which people believe that they are smarter and more capable than they really are.

Essentially, low ability people do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence.

this is really bothering this guy.

say you're sorry so he can find some peace.

>> the Trump presidency viewed by history as the biggest scam <<


^ and when I say this,  I'm not saying he wasn't duly elected. I respect the voters and accept the results. I'm saying everything else he does. He's a horrible person. So is Little Stevie Miller whispering in his ear.


     Does the Russia Scam Propagation Society need a safe space?  I didn't realize I was puncturing your bubble of blissful ignorance, maybe we could have a volunteer from the group weave a narrative that Hillary really would have won an additional 38 electoral college votes if it weren't for that mean old Vladimir Putin with his YouTube videos & social media posts...that might make you guys feel better.

Hey Byren...why don't you stop being a little shit-stain.

Want to make a bet NONE of those "traitors" get indicted, let alone convicted?

I'll guess you won't.

Nothing of what you're propagating has any meat on the bone. Sorry pal.


     I'm sorry I hurt your feelings Ned, why don't you grab a cookie and a juice box and we'll find a volunteer to tell you the story of how Hillary really would have won but for the fact that Vladimir mysteriously mesmerized the electorate, then after that it's nap time.

This is a message board about music, particularly that of Phil Lesh and The Grateful Dead. It wanders off, but essentially that is why it exists. Bryen, why do you constantly have to change your diapers in front of us? Things aren't going your way, so you decide to drag a bunch of people down with you? I just don't understand why anyone would do this to a group of people on this board. If we are all as fucked up as you say, why do you hang around?  What is your mission?

HAHA my feelings aren't hurt Byren. I didn't start this whimpering thread.

Did you run out of namaste's? lol

Apparently Trump's opposition is incapable of holding him accountable for his alleged treasonous crimes, so what are ya gonna do?

Your idol politicians don't give a shit about you.. They care more about the consequences to their political careers than the American public, so that's why they haven't initiated impeachment proceedings.

I think i'm gonna go listen to the Carlin bit about the big club that none of us are in..

No one has political idols. We have people that have shown some semblance of integrity and hope they do the right thing.  The wrong thing is spinning way too fast for the right thing to try and catch up. 

But yeah...Carlin couldn't give a rats ass about you either. 


Who said Carlin give's a rat's ass about me and why would i care?




     I just find it somewhat curious that people spent 2 years spreading a false accusation, and now that it's abundantly clear it was malarkey not one,            




                                       [think about that for a moment] has the intestinal fortitude to admit they were mistaken, it's fascinating.  The other thing that blows my mind is observing people still attempting to continue the scam, as if they were in some parallel universe, I'm sure that phenomena in and of itself will be studied in psychology classes a hundred years from now.

All that talk-radio is making your mind mush, dude.  




but i've been gone awhile

Hey Jill, nice to see you.  

Best thing to happen in this thread.'s as if that's the consolation prize for the brainwashed masses, that they have successfully established a fairytale reality for the legions of Hillary supporters to live happily ever after, they can tune into Rachael Maddow each evening and have her read them a bedtime story, then slip into the arms of Morpheus.

So, you're not taking the bet. No surprise there, Bryen.

Will you accept the results of the "review" currently underway? I certainly will.

Looks like someone has still not read the report

probably read the conclusions at the end of the report.


What do you expect from someone who defends priests that rape little boys?

Of course he has zero character or morals.

^ I don't think you need to go there. His "thoughts" on this subject alone speak volumes without muddying the waters.

You're correct Ned.

I just find it abhorrent.


     It goes without saying I have never made any such statement, it's a searchable database, why don't you just copy & paste my exact quote [you won't of course] it seems like that's the new tactic with people of your ilk, when cornered...falsely accuse.  

Falsely accuse bryen ?


He's not only just a common full of hannity semen right wing shit fer brains instigator -

he's also his county's #1 sheep molester.

Twice Convicted




     Predictable reactions from those caught on the wrong side of history, as a "for instance", how in the world does a Don Lemon or Jake Tapper move forward now that the scam is exposed?  It's not like they're going to look into the camera and apologize to the American people, they'll just double, triple & quadruple down...but the point is moot, we're beyond any semblance of accountability, this is the "new left", a fresh coat of false accusations will paint over the old coat of false accusations, it matters not the validity of the slander, but rather which side is being maligned.

I don’t think sheep are Bry’s type. Of course anyone who defends pedophile Priests can’t be trusted around any farm animals and certainly not children. I kid you not.



Great picture at 6:06 a.m., Noodler. Just exactly perfect.

 Summary of Major Findings

The redacted Mueller Report documents a series of activities that show strong evidence of collusion. Or, more precisely, it provides significant evidence that Trump Campaign associates coordinated with, cooperated with, encouraged, or gave support to the Russia/WikiLeaks election interference activities. The Report documents the following actions (each of which is analyzed in detail in Part II):

1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.

2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.

3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information onbattleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.

4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, OlegDeripaska.

5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advanceDeripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.

6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.

7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.

8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.

9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.

10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.

11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.

12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.

13. During the presidential transition, Jared Kushner and Eric Prince engaged in secret back channel communications with Russian agents. (1) Kushner suggested to the Russian Ambassador that they use a secure communication line from within the Russian Embassy to speak with Russian Generals; and (2) Prince and Kushner’s friend Rick Gerson conducted secret back channel meetings with a Putin agent to develop a plan for U.S.-Russian relations.

14. During the presidential transition, in coordination with other members of the Transition Team, Michael Flynn spoke with the Russian Ambassador to prevent a tit for tat Russian response to the Obama administration’s imposition of sanctions for election interference; the Russians agreed not to retaliate saying they wanted a good relationship with the incoming administration.


a significant amount of relevant information was unavailable to Mueller due to four factors. First, as the Report states, “several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office,” and “those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference.” Second, President Trump’s interference in the investigation also appears to have stymied the investigation. A key example is Paul Manafort’s failure to cooperate with the Special Counsel because he was apparently led to believe that President Trump would pardon him. Third, some individuals used encrypted communications or deleted their communications. Fourth, some of the individuals who “cooperated” with the investigation (e.g., Steve Bannon) appear to have been deceptive or not fully forthcoming in their dealings with the Special Counsel. Several individuals failed to recall the content of important conversations with Trump or other Campaign associates. The Report states, “Even when individuals testified or agreed to be interviewed, they sometimes provided information that was false or incomplete.”


It is important to keep in mind that the Report’s analysis is about whether or not to prosecute someone for a crime. Furthermore, statements that the investigation “did not establish” something occurred are not the same as saying there was “no evidence” that it occurred. The Report has clear ways of saying when the investigation found no evidence. It conveys the absence of any evidence when, for example, it states the investigation “did not identify evidence” or “did not uncover evidence” that something occurred. Even then, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. When there is “evidence of absence,” the Special Counsel was willing to say the investigation “established” effectively that something did not occur.







<<Great picture at 6:06 a.m., Noodler. Just exactly perfect.>>

Thanks Judit, it's called "Evolution" by Michael Cheval 


     I realize these are difficult days for the hoaxers & the hoaxed, the sun also rises...stay classy!  :)


these days are difficult for Bry  because  his support for  pedo  Priests and a treasonous President is very taxing.

 He needs our thoughts and prayers  

HiYa dave. how's life?

2 Daves on my first day back

(((Happy Bday HeyDavey)))


>>>>>   Summary of Major Findings



there you go again with facts.