Democratic Debates - Round 3

I'm ready. 

Any of the candidates are 1000 x better than Trump 

Freedom dividend is the opposite of trickle down economics. 

Biden-with-an-open-head-wound is better than Trump.

That said, leaning Warren.

bernie’s gonna be the next president. 

fucking crazy to watch unfold before us. 

If Bernie is the nominee Trump's gonna be the next president.

surf, you’re not very smart. 

it’s literally the exact opposite. 

starting to think the corporate dems prefer trump over bernie, now that it’s becoming clear to the idiots he’s actually gonna do this thing. 

Vote for Joe and every home in America gets a Victrola !

Thanks for the personal jab - it makes your point so much stronger.

Not.

You really think that folks who voted for Trump last time around would vote for a Jewish socialist from Vermont?

Or that anti-Trumpers would stay home if the nominee was Biden or Warren?

you’re blatantly ignoring facts. just like msnbc and cnn want you to do. do you subscribe to the washing post? lol i mean

come on man. my point is start paying the fuck attention. 

only the main stream media doesn’t want you to see or understand the power of bernie’s populism — he’s the one that defends the average american. it’s so obvious. he has the most progressive, and POPULAR plans for criminal justice reform, climate change, student debt, etc. 

he gets the independents and true republican vote, and yes, many of those people voted for trump. biden gets none of that. zero. you really think biden is the best choice? they’re literally keep him out of the public eye b/c he’s so incapable and incompetent. and if the dnc does what they did last time, and push through neoliberal - trump ain’t going anywhere. 

does he get trumps base? no. nobody does. lol. you have to support white nationalism to get their vote. 

^He's too old and missed his chance IMO.  His ideas are influential though and being touted by the other- more vigorous- candidates.

2020 is his best chance. this is obvious. the campaign is run much better than in 2016. and his momentum and popularity speak for themselves....

too old? what’s that even mean? 

more vigorous? have you been paying attention? a libertarian like yang offers nothing. dude shouldn’t have even be on the stage tbh. tulsi should have been up there. they did her dirty, like they did gravel. they can’t ban bernie from the stage, as much as they wish they could — but they got their way w/ gravel and tulsi, two people who would have gone after the corporate socialism we currently live in on the national stage. but you get yang and klobachur, and steyer lol. 

the dnc is trying very hard. 

bernie has the most vigorous, ambitious, and meaningful plans for the american people, by far, out of anybody running. 

hes gonna do this. historic. 

organizer in chief. 

> only the main stream media doesn’t want you to see or understand the power of bernie’s populism

Why do you think that?  

^i see it w/ my own eyes every day. you don’t? 

1 million donors, mother fuckers. 

historic. 

Dude, I've been paying attention to politics since 1960 - what were you doing then?  No, I don't subscribe to Wapo or watch CNN. No, I don't support Biden, unless he wins the primary. I will vote for him if he does, but he can't win the general. I will vote for Bernie if he wins the primary, but he can't win in Nov.,either,  IMO. I will prob. vote Warren in the primary.

and then there was this piece, do you recall? 

https://berniesanders.com/en/medical-bankruptcy/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.commondreams.org/news/2019/08/31/sander...

if you were really paying attention you’d see that bernie is the only candidate running to truly help the american people. 

this is about way more than just beating trump. the corporate eite, the main stream media want you to think that, so they can push through a do nothing, elitist candidate. they don’t want drastic cultural change. 

and your talking points mimic theirs, so start paying attention, son. 

Was there a question about impeachment?

^agreed. 

i posted those graphics to show the undeniable bias and hatred the msm has towards bernie. 

numbers are hard for msnbc and wapo. they prey on the stupid. 

https://www.cjr.org/opinion/bernie-sanders-media-silicon-valley.php

and closed primaries are just sad. #democracy. 

Bernie is toast. Sorry man.

that’s hilarious. 

hes gonna crush it in your redneck state. 

I'd bet he gets 2nd or 3rd place in CO primary (I think we dropped caucuses recently). Warren will beat Bernie in CO. (I'm not the Nuclear Ned)

i know who you are. 

bernie is up big in colorado...and he just drew over 10k out in denver a few nights ago. 

Got it, 'heater. I know Bernie was here....so was Kamala and Liz. Yes, Bernie is polling strong but Bernie's gang is stronger earlier. Most Dems aren't engaged yet. I know my state and don't see Bernie coming out on top next spring. We will see....

"Russia attacked the 2016 election and the FBI and DNI have said they're still at it. But the moderators of last night's debate failed to ask a single question about Russia (though they found time to ask Booker if he promotes veganism). Ridiculous." ~ @mikercarpenter on twitter

^ hand in hand with no questions about impeachment

In regard to Russia and election interference:  how is this not JUST AS BAD as Trump completely ignoring the issue?!? 

>>>>>Russia attacked the 2016 election 

What exactly did they do?

Did you read the (redacted) Mueller report?

Pyramid getting all uptight and holier-than-though with his political beliefs.  We're trying to engage in discourse with you and you resort to personal jabs and insults... all in a condescending manner.  You're acting like god's political commentary gift to the Zone.  We're all entitled to our opinions and just because an opinion differs from yours doesn't mean we're dumb or not paying attention.

I shared my opinion that Bernie is too old and you ask what does that even mean?  It means I think he's old AF and some voters are turned off to investing their votes in someone who would be approaching 80 years old on inauguration day.  There are obvious concerns at putting our future on someone who would be past the life expectancy rate when taking office.  I don't think that's a particularly hot take so calm down with your condescending shtick.  Without knowing you personally, you seem to represent part of what's wrong with our discourse today- lack of nuance and lack of respect for those with differing opinions. 

SCOTUS.

^ hahahah. 10/10.

totally off mark, sio. 

but remarks like bernie can’t beat trump and bernie is toast, when all evidence points to the contrary, should be called out. 

i don’t care who you vote for. 

The mainstream media, all of it, is owned by the corps that Bernie is after.  No way they want him to run.  The DNC is run by the same influences. They are owned by big pharma, big oil and other evil empires. No way do they want Bernie.

Biden needs to bow out, maybe plays some records on his phonograph

Bernie's time would be better spent on VT

Right now for the primary, I like Elizabeth Warren

bernie’s been putting in work, more than any other candidate. if you can’t see what he’s doing for the country, that’s your loss. if not for bernie, biden and the corporate dems agenda would be surging. over the last 4 years he’s put a spotlight on why those politicians don’t work for us. you should thank him. 

lol at his time better spent in Vt. 

while the centrists now abandon their dream of biden becoming president and are forced to start cozying up to a somewhat progressive warren (who is willing to take corporate money in the general) —bernie is continuing speaking truth to power, talking to as many voters as possible, running the strongest and most popular campaign in modern history —  this is why he’ll win michigan, penn., wisconsin, iowa, nh, ca, etc  

he’s getting midwest conservatives and independents to vote for a progressive. i know, you don’t believe it. that’s fine. 

this is why he’s leading the pack. 

organizer in chief. 

and who cares about his age? that’s just a lame ass excuse fed to you by fear of change. 

Keep dry humping the Bernie’s leg, it’s a good look for you and maybe it’ll work...

I’ll vote for him IF he wins the nomination or anyone blue for that matter, hope you have enough sense to do the same.

North Carolina votes on Super Tuesday and again right now, Warren gets my vote in the primary. 

If Dems don't win the Senate, it doesn't matter who wins.

>>> i posted those graphics to show the undeniable bias and hatred the msm has towards bernie. 

numbers are hard for msnbc and wapo. they prey on the stupid <<<

Five Thirty Eight legit P-heat? or do they have an undeniable hatred towards Bernie?

More here if you care...

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-third-democratic-debate-in-7-ch...

nate silver hates bernie, i’m sure you know that thod. 

bernie is the most popular politician in the country. he has the most diverse base out of any candidate. 

bernie and warren have done the best in every debate so far, and bernie crushed it the other night, even tho they attempted to silence him as much as possible.. bernie’s platform drives the discussion - medicare for all is what the majority of people want. 

i think bernie/warren is the appropriate team.  warren gets the presidency after bernie. 

Keep humping P-heat, maybe you’ll get to finish

Pyramid, does Sanders have a plan to address job loss resulting from Medicare for all?

Stanford researchers estimate that 5,000 community hospitals would lose more than $151 billion under a Medicare for All plan; that would translate into the loss of 860,000 to 1.5 million jobs. A Navigant study found that a typical midsize, nonprofit hospital system would have a net revenue loss of 22%.

https://khn.org/news/analysis-a-health-care-overhaul-could-kill-2-millio...

Khn.org hates Bernie, Truck, everybody knows that

Stanford too, TOD?

Stanford’s always got it wrong when it comes to Bernie, they’re OG Bernie haters

good stuff, viva centrists. 

your time has come. 

lol thod. once a tool, always a tool. 

While your humping ol’ Bernie’s leg, look up and ask him this question...you know the one OCLT asked you

“Pyramid, does Sanders have a plan to address job loss resulting from Medicare for all?”

Get back to us would ya?

Thanks in advance, 

Pyramid, i asked a legitimate question. I've stayed out of this discussion until now. I really have not been following the Democratic race. I figured you're the guy to ask about Sanders ' policies. 

Is the answer no?

Or maybe you don't know?

today's moderates are yesterday's conservatives.

It usually works the other way around, Turtle.

Bump for an answer from Pyramid. 

corporate dems have been putting their greed over providing millions w/ healthcare for far too long. right? you have to agree w/ that. 

it’s hilarious you two are asking this question. that’s what you take from m4a? straight up msm talking points. next your will be saying bernie’s m4a plan will take away healthcare from 150 million people. lol. 

thod, do you ask yourself this question since you support warren?

my understanding is it’ll be similar to his plan/transition for the fossil fuel industry workers, have you read about that? 

so assistance w/ salary, housing, healthcare, priority job training/placement, etc. 

Damn, pyramid,  i politely ask you a question, because I figured you'd know the answer, and you respond like a jackass. The hardest part about supporting Sanders is to not hold his sanctimonious base against him. 

You're talking about disrupting an industry that accounts for about 18% of the economy, so I'm not sure why you are so defensive. 

no. we’re talking about providing all of america w/ healthcare. 

youre the one that sounds like an asshole. 

sanctimonious? hardest part? haha jesus christ. 

get your head outta your ass man and grow the fuck up. bernie’s campaign is all about fighting for the average american. i’m no better than anybody just b/c i support the only human running for president. 

you support the healthcare industry and pharma’s continuation of gross profits over care, the compete demoralization of americans, sending families into bankruptcy b/c they got sick? 

good to know. 

how do you two feel about dismantling the fossil fuel industry? i take it you’re both pro fracking? 

Hey, asshole, i have no issue with single payer health care, I am curious how the candidates intend to deal with the economic consequences which will arise during this transition.  I figured you would know the answer. 

Oh, fuck off, you sanctimonious prick.

P-heat, Warren has an actual plan, you know actual plans you can read about, released another one today.

Bernie has spoken word ideas from 2016, If he couldn’t get it done then what makes you think he can now?

I haven’t seen anything new from da Bern, it be nice to see something refreshing instead of the same regurgitated message

that didn’t work in 2016.

I’d like to see some of the stuff you support Bernie on, links to plan etc, you know?

Something more than scoffing at anyone that brings up anything critical of him.

Because you come off like Brett Kavanaugh...

“I like beer!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/16/us/politics/working-families-party-elizabeth-warren.html

The progressive group, whose electoral influence has grown since it backed Bernie Sanders four years ago, is now supporting Ms. Warren for the Democratic presidential nomination.

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan

Tulsi was the best candidate the dems had, that's why they smeared her and swept her under the carpet.

The rest of the gang are just corporate shills or useful idiots.

Has anyone asked will congress be enrolled in the same Medicare for all plan as the rest of us ? And no one has mentioned that there is no way making private health care illegal will ever  hold up to judicial scrutiny if it passed. 

Yes the DNC  would rather have trump than Sanders or Warren just like they wanted Bush over Gore. So don’t get your hopes up. The best we can hope for is that the powers that be realize Biden is not up to running never mind being president and come up with a better centrist candidate. As of now this looks like an easy win for Trump. 

They want to take your job , your guns, your healthcare,  and your religion... slam dunk it’s over 

>>> Tulsi was the best candidate the dems had, that's why they smeared her and swept her under the carpet.

The rest of the gang are just corporate shills or useful idiots. <<<

^^ lol

Republicans and Fox News pundits were pretty vocal about the “treatment” of Tulsi (yes that really happened)

Lassen, why would Republicans, let alone Fox News pundits, come to the aid of a Democrat?

Especially in the days of us vs them...

Tulsi was a guest on Cucker Tarlson’s show whinnying about the very same stuff you said above, hmm

good golly, this was hard to find.

link to plan.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/options-to-finance-medicare-for-...

please stop with the fear mongering.

i don't watch Fox news or any TV for that matter- been out of the Television game for a long time. My opinion of Tulsi has nothing to do with what Fox says.

But, whatever.... Carry on

Turtle the point is...P-heat scoffs at anybody critical of Bernie, never with any facts or links,

just, “I LIKE BEER!”

Dig?

Ken are you stating that Tulsi’s a “useful idiot” for appearing on Fox News? because most Dems already know how things work there and won’t go on there for the very same reasons you stated.

right, turtle. so much fear mongering from the corporate dems like oclt and thod. bernie has the establishment shook b/c it’s likely he’ll get the nomination. look, he’s reaching out to all voters b/c that’s how he has to beat the dnc. 

also, why you so mad oclt? 

and thod, you’re just lying to yourself man. bernie has released comprehensive reform plans for m4a, media/journalism, new green deal, taxes, criminal justice, college for all, etc. 

these are all well documented. 

youre wrong, thod. 

i scoff at : bernie has no plan, bernie is done, bernie isn’t as popular as in 2016, bernie has no shot of getting midwest votes, and of course bernie is too old lol. 

this is all 100% factually wrong. 

and thod and oclt are screaming trump 2020. 

I like Warren in the primary equates to “I take it you two are pro fracking and anti healthcare for all?”

>>> and thod and oclt are screaming trump 2020. <<<

That’s some f’n wonky math.

You trying to tell me P-heat that there’s only 1 progressive and it’s Bernie?

No, TOD, he's saying you are afraid of Sanders if you ask about the man's policies. 

Fear mongering, Pyramid?

Why are you so threatened by a question?

Mad? I'm not mad. As I've written before,  I'm very direct and honest when if comes to expressing my opinion of someone. 

And, well, you're a sanctimonious prick.

well you both must know bernie has a plan, like your girl warren, for healthcare and fossil fuel industry. 

he’s going to dismantle the fossil fuel industry, and the for profit healthcare system as we know it. 

warren is not for either of those plans (or is she? i know she now wants to ban fracking after bernie reiterated his position a couple weeks ago)  — although she’s supported bernie’s m4a plan before, it does seem like she’s backing away for it during this presidential run. shame. 

enough compromising for corporate benefit. i think people are sick of it, and it’s why you see bernie becoming the most popular and most likely to get the nom. warren is def running a good campaign as well, no doubt. 

oclt is def mad. relax buddy. 

P-heat, if Bernie’s the ONLY progressive in the race than why is this going on?

>> The progressive group, whose electoral influence has grown since it backed Bernie Sanders four years ago, is now supporting Ms. Warren for the Democratic presidential nomination. <<<

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/16/us/politics/working-families-party-el...

lol. they endorsed crowley over AOC, so.....

That’s your takeaway from all that?

dude you’re saying bernie has no plan. wtf is wrong w/ you? 

I’ve stated that you have you’ve spewed a lot shit about Bernie with out any facts and I’m supposed to take 

your word for it when your math is Warren = Pro Fracking + Anti Healthcare for all?

lol fucking l

Bernie would be proud bro

Ogkb then add they want to take your gas guzzling pickup truck/ SUV/ sports car to the list and things just keep getting better for trump

you guys really don’t get it Joe six pack still loves this guy 

i get it and it is concerning.

clinton was pretty much hated and still won the popular vote.

the million $$ question is what has been done to shore up election fraud/gerrymandering, voter apathy and access in those "swing states"?

if nothing, then it doesn't really matter who runs.

its sad to see people on arguably the same side shoot each other in the foot.

if not now, when can we vote for someone with truly progressive ideals? 

time is running out to steer the titanic away from the ice berg.

warren was only for fed land fracking ban, no? then after bernie said fucking ban it all she said the same. i’m wrong?

and yeah, the wfp has been aligning itself w/ establishment and someone like warren, who speaks of progressive ideas, yet also is willing to please big donors and accept their money, as well as establishment dems to obtain power. 

how can they not support the only candidate that wants to eliminate student loan and medical debt? 

and don’t take my word for it — you can easily find everything bernie stands for, straight from his mouth. i’m just wondering how you could possibly think he has no plans. that’s insane man. 

I hear what you’re saying P-heat, behind every great man stands a woman who should wait her turn.

no, but that’s def what your southern north carolina culture stands for. you’re trash. 

lol

“Elizabeth Warren can be Bernie’s VP until Bernie’s terms are up, then she can have it...”

You didn’t say that?

Turtle nothing has been done that’s exactly why Biden should not run on race and or depend on the minority vote.. 

Joe Six pack pick up truck doesn’t have to wait on line to vote.. And they know how to keep liberals from voting ie long lines , clearing voter rolls propaganda etc 

i did. what’s wrong w/ that? warren def needs to be reminded what it means to be a progressive. 

being bernie’s VP will do just that, imo. 

what your implying is straight trash, and fuck you for doing so. 

Elizabeth warren is the only candidate on the stage with both the political momentum and the consistent intellectual fortitude to deliver continuous death blows to Donald trump on any topic. No handicap, no over-under, no question.

no, she’s not a progressive. She’s trying. She’s Bernie-lite. 

The important thing is that every progressive idea being discussed across the whole primary spectrum basically originated with Bernie. That should be recognized, and that’s his legacy here.

and that’s the nuts and bolts of what matters, from my vantage point.

but I would still like a public insurance option, and think most of America agrees with me. Medicare for all is unnecessary and a step backwards.

^i disagree. bernie has the most momentum out of any candidate — he has the most diverse base — by far. 

warren’s base is 71% white. 

shes w/o a doubt surging atm, but so is bernie — he’s literally ahead of her. 

she is def bernie light, and not a progressive — she likes to talk about progressive ideas tho. 

you can’t beat the corrupt system by taking its money. 

bernie is our only chance. it’s painfully obvious. 

i personally think trump crushes a warren presidential ticket. 

the majority of americans want M4A. 

this is a no middle ground election. there’s no compromising when it comes to the climate, healthcare, criminal justice. 

Lol of course you disagree.

you’ve disagreed with everyone on this thread.

Glad ya got the answers breh

the ‘86 checking native american for her race is gonna come back to bite her. 

as is her lifelong republican affiliation. 

i agreed w/ turtle lol. 

don’t 70% of americans support m4a? 

that kinda disproves your last statement. 

Sure, lots of people support it when the only other choice is the status quo. Just ask them.

its a false equivocation, and loosely spouting percentages of minuscule subset cross-section polling purporting to represent the overall opinion of 300 million Americans is irresponsible at best.

You’ve disproven nothing

Warren trending....Bernie shrinking.

you just gave your opinion tho. 

at least the poll suggests many in america want, need, M4A. 

Well, you’ve certainly changed my opinion then.

i’m not trying to. 

i think it’s a fact, most americans want m4a. 

Ask them what they think about a public option and get back to me.

>> i think it’s a fact, most americans want m4a.  <<

Facts aren't opinions.  Yes, most support options, but most do not support losing their private plan.

The Majority of Americans wanted Hillary Clinton to be president did that matter ? 

^ha, true. 

I will chime in with my experience. I was a Bernie supporter in 2016 voted for Hillary. 

I am a union teacher in NY with a good state health plan. I believe healthcare should be available for all. I don’t believe the government has the right to tell you if you want to pay a doctor for private healthcare you can’t . I believe in freedom of choice and capitalism. No way in hell I ever vote for someone who is going to take my healthcare and raise my taxes sorry. As much as I disagree with trump he becomes the hero saving our capitalist system in this scenario  

"[Trump] is one of the least qualified candidates ever to make a serious run for the presidency,  If he is nominated by a major party — let alone elected — the reputation of the United States would suffer a devastating blow around the world."

Cokie and Steven Roberts in a co-authored February 2016 op-ed.

The U.S. reputation has suffered in this presidency.  The conceding of their party leadership to Trump's miserable example is disgraceful.  It will be interesting to see where they stand as a party once they are though with him.  It used to be that the Democrats were the kooky wingnut party.  Things have changed.

RIP Cokie Roberts 

california primary is march 3rd. 

https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/california-2020-biden-sande...

shrinking....lol. 

>> i’m just wondering how you could possibly think he has no plans. that’s insane man.  <<

He has no plans how to pay for them. That's the rub.

I'm open to any candidate, but they need to present the entire plan, not just the free cookies.

>

link to plan.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/options-to-finance-medicare-for-...

please stop with the fear mongering.<

this goes for naysayer ned too.

>>> shrinking....lol. <<<

Bernie

organizer in chief. 

its happening before your eyes. 

centrists refute facts like trumpers. what a crazy world. 

This poll came out today

Corporatist bullshit.

You know who owns the WSJ right?  

Just a poll maan...

I take polls with a grain a salt, not gospel

 

Otherwise known as

 T.O.D. on Saturday, September 14, 2019 – 10:19 am

 

Biden needs to bow out

 

Yep 

I’m interested in seeing the greatest hits Trump edition, but I don’t have an idle 3 months

1 million individual donors. faster than any candidate, ever  

"With 1 million contributors, this is the only Democratic campaign that has more supporters than Donald Trump,"

100% grassroots. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/bernie-sanders-has-one-million-donors/?...

the most female, least white, most working class base in the country. 

crushing it. 

Elizabeth Warren leads Register’s Iowa Poll for the first time, besting Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders

Elizabeth Warren has surged in Iowa, narrowly overtaking Joe Biden and distancing herself from fellow progressive Bernie Sanders, the latest Des Moines Register/CNN/Mediacom Iowa Poll shows.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2019/09/...

Warren leads Biden by 12% in combined 1st+2nd choice in the DMR/CNN poll of Iowa:

Warren 42%

Biden 30%

Sanders 21%

Buttigieg 18%

Harris 16%

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1175585970999169026

weird steve posting racist nate silver tweets? weird. 

What is racist in Nate Silver's tweet?

the fact that he called bernie’s non white remaining base residue? the dude hates bernie and is just trash. he’s being called out all over the internet for it, which i am sure you already knew since you follow his tweets. 

nate is also just lying. he’s comparing 20 candidate to 2 in 2016. lol  

it’s sad to see him try so hard. i guess people will be in disbelief once the primaries begin and bernie starts taking states. 

The "residue of what's left" is referring to Bernie's remaining support, which includes all races supporting Sanders.

Sanders got near 50% in Iowa in 2016, now down to 11%, according to the DMR poll Silver is referring to.

Thus the word "residue":   https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/residue 

Your lack of reading comprehension and/or lack of understanding of the meaning of words in the English language does not make Nate Silver's tweet racist.

Man, it’s not looking good for the Bern when his next move is a pivot to

”Bernie Beats Trump Tour”

Not even a strong pivot, in this pivotal moment

>>> if you were really paying attention you’d see that bernie is the only candidate running to truly help the american people. 

this is about way more than just beating trump <<<

Bernie Sanders begins Iowa tour to court Trump voters

Bernie Sanders hopes to convince working-class voters who were drawn to Donald Trump in 2016 that they will find a lot to like with his brand of economic populism.

Sanders plans to take this strategy for a trial run on Monday with a “Bernie Beats Trump Tour” of four Iowa counties that went for President Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012 and to Trump in 2016.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/bernie-sanders...

It really is about more than just beating chump.  It is about the future of our people, our country and the world climate.

of course you don’t see an issue w/ silver’s tweet, weird steve. lol. but keep referencing pundit nate silver, he needs people like you to stay relevant. 

and thod, bernie has the most diverse base — in 2016 it was his base is too white, now y’all are criticizing bernie for having the most diverse base, least white, and most working class. over 1 millions individual donations, besting his record pace from 2016, when he beat obama’s former record time. 

were talking general election. warren’s base is over 70% white, doesn’t have the youth vote = not a good recipe for beating trump.

bernie appealing to trump voters in the midwest/iowa is a wining campaign — you’re saying that’s a sign of trouble? haha wtf  

the bias is real. we’re seeing it again, right in front of us. the msm hates bernie sanders, and they are afraid as he has a real shot this time. 

organizer in chief. 

bernie tied for first is CA, first in NV, 2nd in SC, first in NH. crushing it. february is going to be awesome. 

>>> It really is about more than just beating chump.  It is about the future of our people, our country and the world climate. <<<

for sure.

Who wants to wait?

centrists. corporate dems. msm. 

they hate bernie more than trump. 

They are scared of him. And they should be.

>>>    centrists. corporate dems. msm. 

>>>    they hate bernie more than trump. 

Q: if Biden is the nominee, will you vote for him?

The Bernie Bros are pledging to vote for NO democrat unless it’s Bernie. They’re as bad as the Trump cultists.

The Democrats want to make losing someone else's fault. 

Warren takes Democratic presidential nomination lead in California, new poll finds

Sen. Elizabeth Warren has jumped to a significant lead in the Democratic presidential race in California, solidifying her position as a front-runner for the party’s nomination, according to the latest UC Berkeley Institute of Governmental Studies poll, conducted for the Los Angeles Times.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-09-24/2020-democrats-elizabe...

>The Bernie Bros are pledging to vote for NO democrat unless it’s Bernie. They’re as bad as the Trump cultists.<

oh, so there is some national spokesperson who speaks for all people who support sanders?

are there any bernie hoes if there are bros?

Bros before hoes you should know that bro

Plenty of former Bernie supporters have put their support behind Warren. Not the Berniebros though. 12 Percent actually voted for Trump in 2016, and they’re doubling down again. So no, not all Bernie supporters..

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-17/-bernie-or-bust-voter...

well if 12 percent voted for trump they are fucking idiots and don't really support his agenda.

also, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-23/biden-linked-firm-tes...

this is what corporate joe is up to...

>> centrists. corporate dems. msm...they hate bernie more than trump.  <<

LOL...no, that's very wrong.

Centrists. corporate dems. msm want to beat tRump whatever it takes. If Bernie is the answer, so be it. If it's Warren or Joe or this bag of rocks, so be it.

https://slate.com/business/2019/09/wealth-tax-bernie-sanders-elizabeth-w...

^^What nedb said. 

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3641

September 25, 2019 - Warren Continues To Climb While Biden Slips Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Democratic Primary Is Neck And Neck

Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren is essentially tied with former Vice President Joe Biden in today's Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University national poll. Warren gets 27 percent of the vote while Biden gets 25 percent of Democratic voters and independent voters who lean Democratic. Though well within the margin of error, this is the first time that a candidate other than Biden has had the numerical lead in the primary since Quinnipiac began asking the question in March.

The top two candidates are followed by Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders with 16 percent, South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg at 7 percent, and California Senator Kamala Harris at 3 percent. While this is Harris' lowest number yet, support for these candidates as well as the rest of the field...

Bernie Bros:  The Leftea Party

<<>>Centrists. corporate dems. msm want to beat tRump whatever it takes. If Bernie is the answer, so be it. If it's Warren or Joe or this bag of rocks, so be it.

absurd. they’re trying their best to push through biden and now warren since biden is proving completely incompetent and warren has signaled she’s open to being bought in the general (already has tho). you just refuse to see it i guess? the msm bias against bernie is real. and he’s still doing great. 

which is odd b/c bernie has the best #’s against trump atm. and again, this election is about more than beating trump and replacing him w/ another establishment/corporate politician that’ll bend over backwards to please their corporate masters — a centrist won’t cut it and loses to trump again. we lived this in 2016. 

bernie first proposed his wealth tax years ago; warren debuted her plan this year, yet the msm has been pushing the story that bernie has pretty much hijacked warren’s idea and release his own slightly more aggressive version. i mean this is the shit wapo prints and people believe. 

Bernie is too old.  Biden is too old.  

It's going to be Warren.  

We'll see if Trump or Pence are still in office, or if the GOP is left scrambling to find a fill-in challenger.

ATTENTION WHORES: 

Apparently Tulsi had a change of heart?!

Tulsi Gabbard, Last 2020 Holdout, Supports Impeachment Inquiry

Representative Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii endorsed the impeachment inquiry against President Trump on Friday, dropping longstanding opposition that she had affirmed as recently as two days ago.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/27/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard-impeachment...

The doorway to the right side of history is gonna get crowded.  She saw the need to get in line ahead of some Repubs.  Good for her

#notyoutulsi

she’ll be going after warren at the next debate, no doubt. gotta take down all the centrists. 

Care to define ‘centrist’ and list the candidates you consider to be one, Bro ? ^

Warren a centrist?  Tulsi a centrist? Everyone but Bernie? 

Biden 

Who’s Wall St. more afraid of? Warren or Bernie?

Wall Street's Democratic donors reportedly warned they'll back Trump over Elizabeth Warren

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/wall-street-democrats-wa...

warren will take dark money in the general, she’s said so. she’s def made promises already, benefiting the corporate rule we have now, if she were to make it to the general. 

the fake populist smashes former lifelong republican in the general. imo. 

warren is a centrist wearing a progressive cloak. she’s in this for her, not us. 

>>> warren is a centrist wearing a progressive cloak. she’s in this for her, not us. 

Then why are you cool with her being Bernie’s VP?

b/c hopefully she can learn a thing or two from old bernie. she’s better than any other centrist running. 

and if she ends up the 2nd most popular then it’d be a wise pick. 

Sure thing, Bro. So if Warren wins the primary and beats out Bernie, you cool with voting for her in the General. With or without Bernie as Veep? or would you rather Trump win again? Just a simple yes or no.

Crickets.

Bernie was a useful idiot in 2016.

In 2000, America got raped because useful idiots voted for Nader.

Since 2016, well, shit, if you have been paying attention, America has been gang raped, because useful idiots loadly and proudly voted for fucking Jill Stein.

In 2020, the exact same useful idiots will do the exact same fucking thing.

Why?

because they are Republicans.

Or just stupid as shit.

Nader and Stein had better ideas. 

Great, how'd that work out, Slack?

https://www.jill2016.com/platform

The best current candidates are running on their platform. 

of course i’ll vote for warren in the general if she were to make it, you fucking monsters lol. 

nancy, you little neolib, will you vote for bernie in the primary? btw his base is more female than male. 

or will you continue holding back our country? the most popular politician in the country, most popular w/ women, young women, women of color, most diverse base, represents the working family. how can you not support that? he’s literally fighting to provide good healthcare for the country.

crickets.....

over 1 million individual donations. 

all you have is he’s old, has no plan, will you vote _____ if bernie doesn’t get to the general. 

lots of corporate dem defending, and msm talking points you all have for your anti bernie bs. 

you think warren wins michigan, pa, wisconsin against trump? come on. 

btw AOC was in burlington w/ bernie today...

also weird steve, sorry man, but you’re a stupid fuck if you think bernie was a useful idiot in 2016. whether you like his policies or not, that’s some dumb ass trumper shit right there. 

Bernie is going to win and win big.

 >all have for your anti bernie bs. 

I like Bernie's message; I just  like Warren's more.

I haven't said anything negative against Bernie, just the stupid fucking Bros who are trying to portray Warren as a centrist or a sell out.

“It sounds great, but I think we’ve had promises before that haven’t been kept,” said Fred Albert, president of the American Federation of Teachers for West Virginia. “We want to hear the how, how are you going to do it. I think that codifies the promise … teachers are paying attention.” 

Sundeen said that, for now, she’s rooting for Elizabeth Warren (Mass.). Warren has not proposed pay increases for educators, which Sundeen views as a “good sign.” 

To her credit, Warren’s talking points this campaign season have been good so far. She has spoken about the need to raise teacher salaries, reinvest in early and K-12 childhood education, and cut student debt. And in the last national debate, Warren highlighted her one-year stint as a teacher, vowed to appoint a public school educator to the position of secretary of education, and declared that “money for public schools should stay in public schools, not go anywhere else.”

What part of Warren's message do you like more? They're very similar. Bernie is my first choice because he's worked hard to earn my support. I'd definitely support Warren if she is the DNC nominee, I wouldn't even feel the need to hold my nose. Biden is the one I'd rather not have to vote for,

if you accept money from the corporations that control and dictate our democracy in the general and/or primary (which warren has done), you are not a progressive. there’s one progressive running who has a legitimate shot at the presidency. 

so your voting in the primary to hold us back. got it. #2016. 

https://dailycaller.com/2016/05/22/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-is-evil-video/

I think Bernie should have - in 2016 - and should now, avoid attacking the party that he wants to lead, and the other candidates of the party he wants to lead, particularly at a time where he had already lost.

But that's me.

That said, if he's the nominee, he gets my enthusiastic support.

How about answering the question whether you would support Biden if he is the nominee?

From the 24th (ABOVE) : "Q: if Biden is the nominee, will you vote for him?"

My apologies if I missed your reply.

lol the answer is fuck no.

so another anti bernie primary supporter voting to hold us back. 

sad. 

"America, here is my promise to you: Free college, free health care, free refills on any medium size soft drink."

"Last time, my slogan was 'Feel the Bern,' " he added. "This time, it's 'Let's burn this place to the ground.' "

“If you don’t vote for Bernie, you’re Voting to hold the county back.”

What an ignorant point of view. 

If Bernie won, the  Right would paint him as the next Stalin. The low IQ voters would buy that shit, the House would flip back to R at the midterms, and the Senate would stay R. So much for the progressive agenda.

I see absolutely no problem voting progressive in local and state elections, and left center for POTUS. You want a livable minimum wage? Once 20+ states have it on the books, it will become a federal law. Meanwhile, a POTUS that can get shit done with a coalition would be key. 

Trump is the revolutionary response to Obama. We don’t need someone who will be  perceived as a revolutionary response to Trump. It’s a shitshow.

So Pyramid would rather have Trump than Biden? 

Got it.

well, i'm voting for him.

our primaries have moved up.

and dise's comment above echoed my sentiment.

I’m all for people voting for whomever they please, for whatever reasons. I just want to see more people vote.

This little game of shaming people for who they want to vote for is trash. 

lol, surf you’re becoming a troll in your old age. 

<<<>>>If Bernie won, the  Right would paint him as the next Stalin. The low IQ voters would buy that shit, the House would flip back to R at the midterms, and the Senate would stay R. So much for the progressive agenda.

what an ignorant point of view.

i guess we agree on it def being a shit show. 

try and think back to 2016, folks. 

trump beat your corporate wet dream to become president. sad. 

lets not repeat that earth shattering mistake. 

imagine trump running against warren, a lifelong republican, somebody who claims she was native american, and has since apologized for that (just for the idiots who think i’d hold that against her if she were to make it to the general, you are wrong — purely about policy). speaks of grassroots movement paid for by the people, yet she takes dark money...that’s fuel for trump. she has much baggage. 

the video of her claiming she’s native b/c all native americans have high cheek bones. dumbass shit. 

bernie appeals to independents, which the majority of americans are, no? 

bernie wins battle ground states such as PA, MI, WI — i don’t see warren carrying those states — her base is 71% white — where’s the criticism of her not having the minority vote? 

people like surf don’t understand we’re not just trying to get trump out, we’re trying to topple the oligarchy. 

what, is it not the time?  

we’re running out of time. 

Do you all forget Mrs. Warren after 2008 financial collapse?  Glass-Steagall?  Dodd Frank?  Corporate Personhood?  CFPB?

Bernie is burnt.

Well, you sure as hell ain’t picking up supporters when you talk about toppling the oligarchy. 75% of the voters have no idea what an oligarchy is.

The American voters are generally not very savvy. Only 33% have college degrees, and the majority couldn’t tell you what the three branches of government are, let alone what their roles are. As a result they are fickle.

For anyone to beat Trump they’ll have to mobilize voters to get off their asses and vote. I’m not sure if anyone can do that right now. Just because someone in a poll says they support someone, it doesn’t mean that they’ll even vote. 

bernie raised over 25mil in Q3. once again more than any other candidate. 

from 1.4mil individual donors. 100% grassroots funded. only campaign to do so. 

only candidate w/ more donations than trump. read that again. 

no begging the powerful @ closed door fundraisers like all the other candidates.

this is the political revolution. 

bernie gets midwest and southern working family votes, independents and republicans disgusted w/ trump. 

warren has the rich white vote. remember 53% of white woamn votes for trump in 2016. 

bernie crushes trump. 

trump crushes warren. 

Works for me.

>>warren has the rich white vote

She does?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/wall-street-democratic-donors-may-back-t...

 

Wow. I mean, I know that 6's article doesn't necessarily represent all voters of the Wall Street bent, but I can't help but it find it unsettling and ironic. For the last 2 and half years Dems have been bitching about Bernie bros not coming out to vote for Hillary and have spent a great deal of effort (on the Zone and everywhere else) to make sure those voters WOULD vote for Biden or whoever if they get the nomination.

Now the corporatist Dems are saying they'll vote for Trump over Warren? Damn. Seems pretty clear where those peoples' interests lie and it sure as fuck ain't in promoting social values, national solidarity or at the very least, supporting your party...

Javs, given where you live...

Do you vote by absentee ballot here in the US?

clearly javs.

Javs - that is my take away as well. Pretty disheartening.

Frightening too.

Corporatists Dems?

The Zuck seems more concerned about Warren than anyone.

Zuckerberg Hates Warren’s Plan to Break Up Facebook. She Doesn’t Care.

In leaked audio, Mark Zuckerberg said he would sue over Elizabeth Warren’s antitrust plan if she was elected president. She responded in kind.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-mark-zuc...

The O'Jays - For The Love of Money 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GXE_n2q08Yw

^^^

A song that has stood the test of time both musically and thematically.

I'm not American TOD. And in my 43 years on this planet I've yet to find a candidate worth voting for. 

Get well soon Bernie, hope your health improves.

Republicans et al will make this an issue if you’re to get the nomination.

Trump’s got perfect health, just ask dr. crazy.

lol thod. 

billionaires donate to warren. 16 actually. 

zero for bernie. 

that says everything. 

MSM reported that Bernie just pulled 1 million in tv ads, care to comment?

worth noting that in the poll above, Warren had 19% support from the black survey respondents.

Sanders had 12%.

did the yang gang out raise warren in Q3?

bernie’s iowa campaign ad is great. 

Than why would they pull it?