Delta gets into it with passenger re: one of the "laws of nature"
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I find it interesting how they let him know that he's not being arrested for interfering with a flight. He also wasn't being arrested for stealing a horse or jaywalking. Why even say this?
http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/13/news/companies/delta-airbus-a321neo-orde...
Man kicked off flight after urgent trip to restroom sues Delta
USA TODAY NETWORKBruce Vielmetti, Milwaukee Journal SentinelPublished 11:02 a.m. MT Dec. 13, 2017 | Updated 12:29 p.m. MT Dec. 13, 2017
Another video from an airplane has surfaced of this man getting kicked off a Delta flight, this time for using the restroom! Susana Victoria Perez (@susana_vp) has more. Buzz60
(Photo: Provided by Krista Rosolino via Milwaukee Journal Sentinel)
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MILWAUKEE — When he finally, absolutely couldn't wait any longer, Kima Hamilton used the lavatory as his Delta Air Lines flight from Atlanta home to Milwaukee was waiting on the tarmac for its turn to take off in April.
His potty break took less than 35 seconds, but because attendants had warned he could not do that without the plane losing its place in line, it returned to the gate, everyone was forced to get off and FBI agents took Hamilton aside for questioning.
The incident made news during a time when several incidents of how airlines were treating passengers earlier this year were making national headlines, including a doctor dragged off a United Airlines flight. On Tuesday, Hamilton made a federal case out of it.
In a lawsuit filed in Milwaukee federal court, Hamilton, 40, contends the situation would never have unfolded the way it did if he were white and charges Delta Air Lines with racially discriminating against him.
The suit seeks unspecified compensatory and punitive damages. Hamilton is represented by Madison civil rights lawyer Jeff Scott Olson.
According to the suit:
• Hamilton had flown to Atlanta several days earlier for a friend's 40th birthday. His return flight April 18 was scheduled to depart at 2:55 p.m. He was in seat 30-C, an aisle seat, for about 15 to 20 minutes when he tried to go to the restroom. He had heard an announcement to remain seated, but he urgently needed to urinate.
• He got up and stepped toward the rear lavatory but a flight attendant blocked his path and told him to return to his seat because if he used the lavatory, the plane would lose its spot in the departure line. He sat back down.
• About 10 minutes later, his situation had become an emergency, he told the attendant, and went to the lavatory. When he came out, the attendant said Hamilton needed to speak to the pilot.
• Hamilton returned to his seat as the pilot was announcing that the plane would be returning to the gate so a passenger could be removed. It was 2:40 p.m. Once there, a Delta representative came to Hamilton's seat. A couple, both lawyers from Milwaukee whom he had been talking with, took video.
• Hamilton engages the first Delta staff in a conversation but doesn't immediately follow him off the plane. After a discussion with a second Delta employee, Hamilton voluntarily leaves his seat.
• At 3:05 p.m., Hamilton saw police cars outside the plane, called his wife and said he thought he was being evicted.
In fact, all the passengers were forced to deplane with their belongings. In the jetway, the FBI agents asked whether they could talk to him. The lawyer who had been sitting near Hamilton accompanied him with the agents and Delta staffers to an empty gate where Hamilton explained what had occurred.
An agent and a Delta representative left then returned about 20 minutes later and said that other passengers told them Hamilton "had maintained his composure throughout the sequence of events," and so he would not be arrested on charges of interfering with a flight.
But he was still refused service by Delta. He had to buy a ticket on another airline and got back to Milwaukee about 11 p.m. About a week later, he filed a complaint with Delta.
Michael Thomas, a spokesman for Delta, said the company takes any claim of discrimination seriously, but couldn't discuss the specifics of Hamilton's suit.
"Our flight crews are extensively trained to ensure the safety and security of all customers," Thomas wrote in an email.
"It is imperative that passengers follow FAA regulations to comply with crew instructions during all phases of flight, especially at the critical points of takeoff and landing, which our findings indicate this customer did not do."
Hamilton's lawsuit states that "his conduct did not at any time violate any of the provisions of Rule 35(f) of Delta's Contract of Carriage."
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re : no one gives a fuck
re : no one gives a fuck
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re: clearly someone does
re: clearly someone does
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what are your thoughts on
what are your thoughts on chemtrails?
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depends
depends
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^ If he'd been wearing
^ If he'd been wearing Depends, might not have been such a problem?
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you just seem so obsessed wth
you just seem so obsessed wth aircraft i thought you would have an opinion
guess not
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^ If he'd been wearing
^ If he'd been wearing Depends, might not have been such a problem?<<<
This is what I say to all the rail riders who try to return to "their" (former) spot.
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>This is what I say to all
>This is what I say to all the rail riders who try to return to "their" (former) spot.
how many times were you punched in the face?
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you just seem so obsessed wth
you just seem so obsessed wth aircraft i thought you would have an opinion
guess not<<<
If I'm obsessed with aircraft, then what does that make you?
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>This is what I say to all
>This is what I say to all the rail riders who try to return to "their" (former) spot.
how many times were you punched in the face?<<<
"responding" out of turn, that's a "sign" ...
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When was the last time you
When was the last time you heard a gate agent or flight attendant urge passengers to use the restroom prior to departure?
Yet the entire boarding process has been analyzed and adjusted six ways from Sunday; taking into account priorities derived from contractual payments.
If the airlines are taking that much time and energy to insure "living cargo" are securely loaded as efficiently as possible (while garnering the most profit), wouldn't it be reasonable to assume THEY have an obligation to alert passengers to take necessary steps to insure they are secure in their designated seats during time intervals where it is necessary?
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no
no
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Sign over the overhead door
Sign over the overhead door on the R/V Atlantis II, tender for the submersible Alvin.
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Should They tell us to
Should They tell us to breathe, too, FOM?
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>if the airlines are taking
>if the airlines are taking that much time and energy to insure "living cargo" are securely loaded as efficiently as possible (while garnering the most profit), wouldn't it be reasonable to assume THEY have an obligation to alert passengers to take necessary steps to insure they are secure in their designated seats during time intervals where it is necessary
No. You seem to believe that people bear no personal responsibility for their decisions or actions.
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No. You seem to believe that
No. You seem to believe that people bear no personal responsibility for their decisions or actions.<<<
And what has led you to this assumption?
Are you suggesting the airlines are operating on the assumption that people will naturally take responsibility for their actions? Why have those "carry-on tester" templates at the gate to insure carry-on baggage conform to specifications?
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Or they could just provide a
Or they could just provide a urinal/herinal at each seat.
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Should They tell us to
Should They tell us to breathe, too, FOM?<<<
... says the souffle expert from the People's Republic of Boulder.
What about the person in Aurora who hasn't flown in 10 years and might not be familiar with the whole "drill"?
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I find that if I get to an
I find that if I get to an airport early enough to have a Beer pre-flight, it's a Good Idea to urinate prior to boarding. Because the reasonable airport Bar price-point seems to be with the XL 24-oz. Beer, eventually the bladder gets full.
There was some celebrity type who(m) peed upon the people seated next to him on a flight in the last few years; the incident made the News. But in that case, I don't believe they made everyone leave the plane.
Someone look up the details of that story, OK.
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>> Why have those "carry-on
>> Why have those "carry-on tester" templates at the gate to insure carry-on baggage conform to specifications? <<
That's simply logistics. They want your non-conforming bag checked at the gate before you get on board and realize it won't fit, potentially delaying departure. Nothing diabolical here...
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>> What about the person in
>> What about the person in Aurora who hasn't flown in 10 years and might not be familiar with the whole "drill"? <<
The "Fasten Seat Belt" sign hasn't changed in 40+ years. Don't over think this.
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>> Why have those "carry-on
>> Why have those "carry-on tester" templates at the gate to insure carry-on baggage conform to specifications? <<
That's simply logistics. They want your non-conforming bag checked at the gate before you get on board and realize it won't fit, potentially delaying departure. Nothing diabolical here...<<<
That's exactly my point, why aren't the "logistics" of insuring all passengers are able to comfortably remain in their seats taken into account? I can only imagine how the airlines run through "simulations" (in real time, with real people) of various different boarding procedures to see what is most efficient. As you've alluded to earlier, this is an obvious one ... but it might not be "obvious" to all passengers.
Again, why did the airlines have to make a show of saying how "We're not going to press charges"? I think they know they don't have any legal ground to stand on unless there were to have been some sort of notification embedded within their procedure. Instead, they're probably invoking some fine print in the flight agreement to simply not provide service.
It's diabolical in the sense that it's very subtle re: how the airlines (as corporations) ultimately view people as akin to cargo.
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Passengers are the cargo,
Passengers are the cargo, dummy.
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my significant other is a
my significant other is a flight attendant.
she will let people use the lavatory in these situations because its not worth being a power tripper, inconveniencing everyone and generally causing a shit storm.
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^ No use having someone pee
^ No use having someone pee/shit themselves. I agree that the flight attendants over-reacted on this one. Of course, FOM makes it into something else beyond the actual incident.
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Of course, FOM makes it into
Of course, FOM makes it into something else beyond the actual incident.<<<
Of course, ned is right there to insure "there's nothing to see here".
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honesty, what is it with
honesty, what is it with airlines and this guy
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https://www.cheapoair.com
https://www.cheapoair.com/miles-away/french-actor-gerard-depardieu-urina...
OK, it was a French actor, Gerard Depardieu or similar spelling. 2011 was the year, but I forgot about the US ski team dude who(m) actually peed on a passenger. GD merely let it loose on the airplane carpet.
The airplane cleaning crew must have some powerful chemicals in their arsenal, to deal with all the biohazards. If it's not some French actor, it's some Ugandan melting apart of Ebola.
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He doesn't even fly. Irony or
He doesn't even fly. Irony or _____y ?
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It's all an elaborate ruse to
It's all an elaborate ruse to trick ned and bro into being friendly with one another.
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OP was bullied as a child
OP was bullied as a child
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Buddy Hinton'd
Buddy Hinton'd
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Face, are you nicholson baker
Face, are you nicholson baker?
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Remember to No Fumar, also.
Remember to No Fumar, also.
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The passenger is apparently
The passenger is apparently making the legal claim his conduct did not violate Delta's Contract of Carriage. If I were another passenger on that flight, I'd be tempted to launch a suit to seek damages for at least what amounted to an arbitrary, if not improper, decision to cancel contract.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/milwaukee/2017/12/13/milwaukee...
Michael Thomas, a spokesman for Delta, said the company takes any claim of discrimination seriously, but couldn't discuss specifics of Hamilton's suit.
"Our flight crews are extensively trained to ensure the safety and security of all customers," Thomas wrote in an email.
"It is imperative that passengers follow FAA regulations to comply with crew instructions during all phases of flight, especially at the critical points of takeoff and landing, which our findings indicate this customer did not do.
Hamilton's lawsuit states that "his conduct did not at any time violate any of the provisions of Rule 35(f) of Delta's Contract of Carriage."
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The Airline obsession thing
The Airline obsession thing is weird.
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He's all about the cause and
He's all about the cause and effect of litigation and insurance.
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If it's so weird, then why do
If it's so weird, then why do these sorts of stories ALWAYS garner attention from the press as being "newsworthy"? ... especially those involving video clips taken by other passengers.
These stories are kind of like a "kissing cousins" to tales about confrontations at shows: a lot of people (who are paying $) are crammed into a small area with a set of "groundrules", yet some will invariably stray beyond the boundaries (fans or "authorities"). It's an interesting study from many vantage points.
... even to see the likes of the shadow doing his "thing", just like a Swiss watch.
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>It's an interesting study
>It's an interesting study from many vantage points.
no it's not
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not sure how this is racially
not sure how this is racially charged. Dude was told not to do something, he did it. End of story. They should have let him piss obviously, but i see no indication from all this that this happened because of the color of his skin. Also has that nice pic of the two black gentlemen talking calmly...
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What interests you bro?
What interests you bro?
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>> ... even to see the likes
>> ... even to see the likes of the shadow doing his "thing", just like a Swiss watch. <<
I've read this three times and still have no idea what you're trying to say.
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next time, I'll type more
next time, I'll type more slowly ... just for you
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The Gestapo tactics these Airlines have taken since fuckstick took office is bullshit.
If you can't afford their high end tier seating.
Better just piss in your 40oz. in steerage.
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how do you like airline food?
how do you like airline food?
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> what interests you bro
> what interests you bro
Jam bands and seedy weed