Hi Zone,
So, HerbalDave made a comment on another thread, about attracting more people to the zone, and he suggested that we start sharing more creative endeavors of ours. Well, for a long time I've thought about writing about my life. Maybe I'm just an egocentric fucktard, but many people over the years have suggested I do so, because I've lived a life that's kind of uncommon, I guess. This morning I was feeling creative and decided to start. I wrote a fast and rough sketch of what would be Chapter 01 of my life. Anyways, against my own better judgement, I'm gonna share Chapter 01 with you all. Feel free to tear it apart, but who knows, if the feedback is positive, maybe I'll continue to write it and maybe I'll continue to share it. Either way, here's Chapter 01:
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I think you can safely assume that it was a beautiful day that day, on the 8th of July in 1976 in Ottawa, Canada. It might not have been. However, no stories have ever emerged about “an odd rainy day in the middle of summer”, or “then a freak storm arrived”. Nothing like that. Just a good warm summer day in a peaceful city, in a prosperous nation back in a time when cars were still made of steel and music still had true grit to it.
The birth was a caesarean, meaning that rather than being born through my mother’s birth canal, I was extracted via a surgical incision first in the abdomen and next in the uterus. My mother’s previous two births had both been c-sections, and the common wisdom in those days was that if you had had one c-section, then all your births must be by c-section. I don’t know if it’s really relevant or not, but years later I would discover the obscure branch of psychology related to the effects of intrauterine development and the birth process on the formation of an individual’s psychological makeup. A c-section, I learned, could have the effect of leaving the newly born babe with a general sense of not having completed a process. This could later become an inability to finish projects, to leave things half-way, to not commit to long-term processes. This would be an issue repeatedly in my life, so maybe there’s something to it. Nonetheless, legend would have it that the Canadian nurses fawned over the baby, delighted by its brown hair and eyes, a rarity in that part of the world at that time.
My mother, Piedad, was 27 years old when I was born. I was her third child, my older brother Alberto preceding me by about four and a half years, and my older sister Pia preceding me by exactly one year less than Alberto (they both have the same birthday one year apart - Irish twins, my sister likes to say). Of course, everything I know about my family at that time is based on what I have been told and what I have managed to piece together over the years, but here’s more or less what I understand about that time and place. My mother was (is) a smart, productive, energetic and proactive individual in terms of her academic and professional skills. Having grown up a woman in a sexist country in a sexist time, university was never an option that was presented to her, despite the fact that she was clearly smarter, more organized and had much more academic potential than any of her brothers, and certainly than her older sister. To the best of my knowledge, she only ever had one love, one sweetheart, and that was my father. She met him when she was just 12 and he 15. He must have made quite an impression on her, 15 year old boy in a military uniform. By the time she was around 15 they had started dating. At age 22 she became pregnant with my brother and her and my father were married in July of 1970. His story will be told later on, as this is a telling of my life and therefore I feel like I have to tell it in the order of my unfolding. For now, it is enough to know that he would eventually become a diplomat (following in the footsteps of his father and grandfather before him), and this is how we came to be in Canada in 1976.
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 08:34 am
I’ve told you my mother’s
I’ve told you my mother’s virtues. I see pictures of her from then, beautiful, long, straight brown hair. Bell bottoms. A sight to behold. Full of life and energy and a smile. That being said, there was always a strong depressive streak in my mother’s side of the family. Genetics, culture or both, you decide, but the stories of old about my grandfather and grandmother, stories that began to emerge about my uncles and cousins over the years, it would seem that many of us would find our ways to great struggles with mental health. My mother was no different, if I understand correctly. Postpartum depression certainly took its toll on her after my birth (per her admission) and over the years she continually struggled with depression. Anxiety, low self-esteem, body image issues, all of these are themes that appeared in her life as a child and which my siblings and I carried on, to varying extents. Most of my family members and many extended family members finally just started a life long treatment of antidepressants and other such drugs. I eventually found my way to psychedelics and marijuana, but that is certainly getting far too ahead of the story.
One time in an Ayahuasca ceremony, I asked Madre Ayahuasca (the Spirit of the Plant, Guarding of its teachings, Protector of the Jungle) to show me the lineage of my own anxiety and depression over the years. She took me back, step by step, revisiting backwards over the years all these major events that formed a line through time, each step further consolidating and further deepening the tendencies. She took me back and back and back until finally I found myself suckling at my mother’s breast. At that moment I was both watching myself suckling and I was, once again, myself suckling at the breast. There in the milk, mixed with nutrition and love and warmth and protection, was hidden a thread of anxiety, sadness, confusion and depression. I looked at my mother’s eyes and could see the worry on her face, the feeling of being alone.
It can’t have been easy for her. She was young, barely spoke English, moved to another country to follow her husband to whatever he chose (she had been vehement that she did not want him to become a diplomat), had no friends, far from her family and life of forever, in a strange land. Anybody could have buckled under those circumstances. There was no internet then, no cheap flights, no cheap phone calls even. She worked during those years at Firestone (I think) as a secretary, or something of the sort. This would be a pattern for her. Every country we moved to over the years she would start at a new job, always starting at the bottom, as a secretary or assistant. By the time we had left the country she had always managed to rise through the ranks and move to a position of more responsibility. This would then be cut short and she would have to start over in another place, this time with a beefier resume. This would be a pattern for all of us, really. Start something, make friends, learn an instrument, take a class. Leave the country, leave it all behind, new friends, new instrument, etc.
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 08:35 am
I don’t remember anything
I don’t remember anything about Canada. When we left in early 1980 I was just three and half years old. All I remember is what I know from photographs. A cute, chubby cheeked toddler. Knee high socks for all the kids. Mom and Dad sporting huge sunglasses. Another diplomat family from Chile that we hung out with. Gorgeous summer days. Me in a full-body snowsuit walking in the snow for the first time in my Dad’s old 8mm reels. Stories that my brother and sister tell, about the time my brother left a paper plate covered in swear words on a neighbors door. She wasn’t very nice apparently, but he made the mistake of writing his name and where he could be found on the paper plate. Oh well, he was never cut out to be an outlaw. For the best, I assume. We were a new family and the world was fucked up but innocent. Or maybe we were just innocent. All we knew was traditional Chilean values. Family, church, white heteronormative normalcy and all that good stuff. My father was strict and my mother had no say in it, really. But those were good years for the family. We were financially limited because my father had to prepare for the years when we would live back in Chile, but we were certainly not poor or even close. Our needs were met and there was an entire road ahead of us.
I don’t remember anything about Canada, but I have a fond feeling about those years and that place in the center of my heart. Years later I would revisit Ottawa and be impressed by how much it retained that same clean, sunny feeling that I had in my heart and was afraid had been an illusion. I imagine it’s a good city to live in these days. Also years later I met a friend who, “coincidentally” had also been born in Ottawa just a year earlier in the same hospital. He was the son of Colombian parents, so I imagine maybe the nurses compared these two brown haired babies that had been born over the course of a year. Maybe not. But life is full of funny coincidences and stranger things have happened. That’s for sure.
All this would make for the first curious contradiction of my life. In early 1980 my family moved back to Chile. I just moved, not moved back, having never lived there before. From the clean, sunny democratic joy of Canada we screamed down to dictatorship, garbage in the streets, ugly grey cement buildings and machine-gunned military looking cops all over the place. Welcome to Santiago, Chile in 1980.
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 08:56 am
well. you're brave to attempt
well. you're brave to attempt this.... can I scroll ahead to the sex drugs and rock and roll part?
(if you're not going to provide pictures, I might have to)
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 09:24 am
My parents contemplate
My parents contemplate leaving Canada and moving back to the hellhole that was Chile in 1980
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 09:35 am
Cool, I'll check it out.
Cool, I'll check it out.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Johnny D skudebro
on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 12:34 pm
Good morning read.
Good morning read.
Thanks for sharing.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Imagine Floops
on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 12:37 pm
Nice. Thank you for sharing,
Nice. Thank you for sharing, Jav. Can't wait for more.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee Herbal Dave
on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 01:39 pm
Creative Endeavors: Musings
Creative Endeavors: Musings Of An Egocentric Fucktard
The title draws you right in. You're onto something here, Javs. Keep pushing through. Good stuff my friend!
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 02:28 pm
First, I want to say that you
First, I want to say that you're brave to attempt this, Javs, and to post it here for others to read.
I'm liking the non-linear, discursive approach. Yes, you're starting with your birth and moving forward through your childhood, but there's lots of associative side trips and slip-sliding through time too. That's how memory works, and you're doing a fine job of capturing that here.
I also admire your introspection, with one example being your recounting of your birth by C-section, and "the obscure branch of psychology related to the effects of intrauterine development and the birth process on the formation of an individual’s psychological makeup." The way you tie these things together in your assessment of your own lack of completion is really good stuff. I'm guessing too that this could become a theme of this effort of yours, and that it would be wonderfully ironic if you manage to get this entire story told.
Keep writing dude. One of my favorite writing professors used to say all the time that story is how we make sense and meaning of the world. We've all got a story in us, but it takes real courage to stare the thing down and bring it out into the daylight where others can share in it as well.
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 02:34 pm
So, java dave lobbies for
So let me get this straight, java dave lobbies for creative threads and whines that there aren't enough, but then bashes the first person to post one.
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 04:06 pm
You know JR, I have generally
You know JR, I have generally stopped responding to the bile and drivel you post, but for this I'll make an exception. I am enjoying and supporting Javs efforts. You're just an over-needy attention freak, and clearly the real egocentric fucktard here. Now please, kindly go fuck off.
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 04:20 pm
Java Karen?
Java Karen?
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 04:46 pm
just calling balls and
just calling balls and strikes dave. no need for the vitriol. hi 6!
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 05:15 pm
You should totally tell this
You should totally tell this story in the third person
like el duderino
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 07:02 pm
I love the flow. Looking
I love the flow. Looking forward to your next installments.
CREATE!
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 07:39 pm
I like it as well.
I like it as well. Especially given what I had just been writing....good to read about life beginning rather than ending!
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 07:41 pm
KeseyB, you've been writing
KeseyB, you've been writing about life ending? That's a whole different thing, isn't it. Good wishes to you and M in all regards.
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 07:46 pm
it's a slippery slope these
it's a slippery slope these autobiographical novelettas. I don't know if I want this to lead to a similar Bryen bio or not.
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 09:42 pm
Hey everyone, thanks so much
Hey everyone, thanks so much for the feedback. I really, genuinely appreciate it. Alan, please, by all means feel free to illustrate the story or add whatever touches you feel are necessary. It's a free zone, right? :)
Dave, I totally got ya'. I laughed when I read your post and didn't think of it as negative not even for a second - the nature of it was clear: friendly and kind. Thank you.
Mike, your feedback is tremendous, thank you so much. You pointed out something that really truly is ironic and very perceptive. How we make sense and meaning of the world....that's beautiful and really profound. I've been exploring that idea a lot in the past year but hadn't really thought of it in that way. I've just been learning more and more about the lives of authors, the stories behind the stories, and the way that their literature (fiction is what I've been looking at mostly) is a reflection of who they are and how they understand the world. It may sound funny, but this concept really found about when I learned about the backstory behind The BFG by Roald Dahl. It's this beautiful metaphor about his daughter, measles (which killed his daughter) and he, the BFG himself, would spin the yarns that his daughter loved to hear every night. And like the BFG would fight against the man-eating giants, he, Roald Dahl, fought against measles by advocating for vaccination and promoting it actively. 20 years after his daughter's death he was able to transform her passing into this incredibly touching and beautiful story. He made sense and meaning of the world, somehow. A lot to think about there.
Thanks again, y'all. I'll try to tickle the clouds and make the lightning strike* again soon. *metaphor stolen
Kesey B, what are you writing these days? Care to share? I'd love it to read it if you would. :)
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 09:44 pm
And Alan, I kinda feel like a
And Alan, I kinda feel like a Bryen biography could be sort of fascinating in a Manson family, impending doom sort of way. The transition from whatever his childhood was, to one of the true and only 200 or so core of JGB followers right on through to ardent Trump supporter, I mean, there is definitely a story to tell there...
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 10:12 pm
Nice writing, Javs. Already
Nice writing, Javs. Already feel I understand you better.
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 10:20 pm
Thanks, Surf, appreciate it.
Thanks, Surf, appreciate it. :)
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 11:28 pm
Chapter 02 - Chile, 1980-1982
Chapter 02 - Chile, 1980-1982
Chile. 1980. My family. Ok, backstory first:
Quickly: In the late 1960’s the Chilean center-left Christan Democrats and the left-wing politicians in general began and implemented a policy of agrarian reform under president Eduardo Frei Montalva (also a Christian Democrat). There was a lot of radical change happening; it was the 60’s, after all. Riding this wave, the Socialist candidate Salvador Allende won the 1970 presidential election, leading Chile into three very dark years, followed by even more dark years. There are many threads that are invoked to explain the downfall of Salvador Allende, depending on which political agenda you choose to believe. They all have some validity to the objective observer. Political incompetence, sabotage by the Chilean ruling oligarchy, American Cold War interventionism. The end result was General Augusto Pinochet at the head of the armed forces, bombing La Moneda (the presidential palace) and taking over the command of Chile for the next 17 years. Some might say he took over the presidency. I’ll stick with ‘command’. Pinochet’s dictatorship was bloody and cruel and could be discussed in depth from many angles...but, for our purposes, two things matter:
First, it was in the context of this dictatorship that my father became a diplomat. Not because he was a sympathizer of the dictatorship, but because diplomacy was a family tradition. His father was still at that time a Chilean diplomat as well. If memory serves, he was the Chilean Consul General in Los Angeles, California in 1970 and ‘71. Further, my father’s grandfather, my great-grandfather, was also a diplomat. He served in the early 1900s. He was the first Chilean ambassador to Bolivia after the War of the Pacific, an event which cooled Chilean-Bolivian relations to a near freeze until today. In those days diplomats wore great plumed helmets and a sword by the side of their uniform, when in dress uniform, of course. It was a big deal, I guess. The sword remains in my family today having graced my grandfather’s wall first, now my father’s wall, and my elder brother’s wall awaits it patiently for a day we all hope is still as far as can be.
Diplomacy is just a part of the legacy of my patriline. The fathers of my fathers have incredibly colorful backstories, and ultimately the legacy of diplomacy for three generations locks into that pattern in ways that would shape my life and play an enormous role in my development as an individual. My first know patriline ancestors arrived into what would later become the United States of America, probably around the late 1600s. Likely a German immigrant, he found his way to Pennsylvania for reasons unknown. Pennsylvania at this time had an interesting mix of German, Irish and Scottish immigrants and all three of those lines would mingle in my family via the multiple lines of ancestry. From Pennsylvania my ancestors would eventually meander down to Tennessee sometime around the late 1700s, early 1800’s, I reckon. Next, they moved to the small town of Westport, Missouri in the mid-1800s. My Great, Great, Great (possibly missing one more ‘Great’) Grandfather built, owned, and operated a Tavern at what was then the frontier to the great open plains of the American West. He sold whiskey and bacon and other such goods and planted an oak tree. He raised a family and his daughter was allegedly the first white woman ever born in the area. Lore would have it that he scrapped with the local branch of the McCoys but hey, who didn’t, right? The oak tree is really the important character here. It stood until the 1970s when it died of a blight of some sort. But he knew. All my ancestors have known about the oak tree. It stands tall in the middle of our family name, hard to ignore, yet surely a 'coincidence', and yet, he planted that oak tree. More on oak trees later.
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 11:29 pm
His son somehow got the idea
His son somehow got the idea into his head to go make a fortune in silver mining in Bolivia and proceeded to do so. The details are hazy, but apparently he made a good little chunk of money for himself in the silver mining business while in Bolivia and while mining for silver, also took a detour into the mining of either the President of Bolivia’s wife or daughter. Like I said: the details aren’t clear. Either way, the result was that he high-tailed it down to Chile and set up camp. So, um, my family name was established in Chile because we had to scram or be scrambled. History is funny sometimes. He got married, had kids and then his son (or grandson?) was my Great Grandfather (the ambassador in Bolivia).
What’s the connection between all of them? Movement. Why? Why did this line of descent begin to move in the mid 1600s, continue to move until the end of the 1800s, and then produce three generations of diplomats who spent their entire lives moving? Why? Would you ask yourself this question if you were me? It crossed my head a lot over the years. I asked myself if maybe I was just designed to be a roamer, a traveler, a knower of places but a settler of none. I thought, maybe there’s something wrong with us, or maybe we just aren’t good people and aren’t wanted anywhere, or maybe...Well. You get the point. There was a lot of questioning.
I don’t think my father questioned it in quite the same way. To him being a diplomat was tradition, what would make his father most proud and he did it. Military school in High School, Catholic University business degree (unfinished, baby surprise), and then a career as a diplomat. He chased it down, hounded it. My Dad worked a couple of other jobs during the Allende years, companies that went under in the collapsing economy. Then in the early Pinochet years he had good steady employment at a fish products company, which, it turns out, became one of the largest corporations in Chile years later. It would have been a lucrative career to follow, but destiny had other plans. My father had wanted to be a diplomat all along. I think he had even tried to take the admissions test and had failed it twice. Then one day…
Dad was walking down the street somewhere. You can imagine a cold, grey street, 1974 in Santiago, one year after the military coup d’etat. Everyone was afraid, uncertain, scared. Pinochet still had great support as in the public opinion he had saved the country from a corrupt and decayed government that destroyed the nation. At that point, most people were optimistic that he would leave within a year or so. You know, like he had said he was going to do. So my dad runs into a family friend of his dad’s, who then tells him something like:
“Hey, because Pinochet took the government by force he’s not particularly excited about all the old commie diplomats working in the foreign service and he’s called all those back home. So there are all these openings, and they’re hiring people to take the test, and then immediately go work overseas.”
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 11:31 pm
My dad must have been beside
My dad must have been beside himself. Tail a wagging full throttle. If he could just pass the test this time, he would be launched into a career of diplomacy on the fast-track. Normally at that time, people had to take the test and then serve several years in country before going overseas. Maybe it was luck, maybe it was destiny, maybe he studied really hard for the test, but that was how my dad started his career as a diplomat: first stop, Canada in early 1975. Next stop, Chile, 1980.
So back to Chile, 1980. What do you want from me? I was young, my memories begin here but they are hazy. I have no real parameter of comparison between that time and Canada, again, because of my age. But I remember a few things from Chile. I remember my uncle joking around with me because I couldn’t speak Spanish. Ok, maybe I remember my uncle telling me that story. I have this strange, almost mythical memory of my first years of school. I went to an American school. I remember clearly my dad dropping me off at school on my 5th birthday, July 8th, 1981. He was giving a colleague a lift, and his colleague made the classic dad joke about how old I was and how maybe he would give me a cane for a birthday present. Now, you need to know that my father is completely neurotic about punctuality, a trait which I joyously share and enforce upon my students today, a trait which everyone in my family shares and which has often made us look like very strange people in our Latin American society. In Chile, an invitation for 8:00 pm, really means you arrive around 9:00 or 9:30. Not us. Long story short, my dad always dropped me off VERY early at school my entire life, meaning I was always either the first or one of the first kids of my class to arrive. And in Chile, when I would arrive at my kindergarten classroom in the mornings, my memory has me walking down a barely lit hallway, dim morning light entering through short but long windows lining one wall. I walk down the hall and arrive at my classroom where every day a beautiful red-headed girl is waiting for me. I know, very Charlie Brown of me, but this is the way I remember it. She was beautiful. Was she real? Who knows.
Everything else I could tell you about Chile at that time would be a piecemeal of other peoples’ stories and photographs I’ve seen. There are some important details in there to understand. My mother’s father was a farmer. Very Catholic, very conservative farmer. He married my grandmother, the daughter of a wealthy businessman, and his wife with a Belgian last name. She was also very conservative and at the end of her days, she would always keep on her nightstand an image of Jesus, another of the Virgin Mary (rosary wrapped over the frame), and a picture of my cousin sitting with Pinochet, each embracing the other. Needless to say that my cousin being in the picture was pure gravy. The meat of the matter was Pinochet and in all honesty: I don’t know which of the three images on her nightstand was the most important to her.
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on Saturday, September 12, 2020 – 11:32 pm
My father’s father was more
My father’s father was more of a thinker, an action-man, a believer in democracy, and a liberal (for the times, you see). His wife, my grandmother, was a beautiful and gentle soul who would most often keep her opinions to herself. I would get to know both my grandmothers later on in life but I did not know either of my grandfathers well, as they both passed away before I moved back to Chile at age 30. But family is at the heart of every Latin American endeavor, and Chile has always been where my parents could melt into their families and feel at home. Christmas, national holidays, religious celebrations of all kinds, birthday, weekend get-togethers, barbecues at the farm, these things form the skeleton of the Chilean family and I’m certain my parents must have felt blessed to see their families again, after 5 long years in Canada. Sure, after time maybe some people get used to being away from their families, but for most Latin Americans that’s not an option. Blood is thicker than water, they say here.
In late 1981 my father was assigned to a new post, so in early 1982 we packed up our bags and moved again. This time, my father had hit the big leagues: he was assigned to the Chilean mission before the United Nations in New York City. We would spend the next chapter of our lives living in a gorgeous suburb in Connecticut while dad would take the morning train and 9 to 5 his way back home again to find us all waiting for him every day.
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on Sunday, September 13, 2020 – 12:12 am
The story continues...and I
The story continues...and I've been enjoying it.
Looking forward to the next installment.
This strikes home for me, as I have been going through family things after my Mom has moved from our family home of 50 years and there are boxes full of acquired items that she'd like to get rid of.
For example: I have been going through a number of cassette tapes with a variety of subject material (a recording of Cesar Chavez speaking in Salinas in 1973, several of my father's sermons, my aunt singing in her New York church as a young child, my grandfather sending a "voice greeting" to Johnny and his little brother Marky, and others that I have yet to listen to). Of particular interest is a tape of my father's send off from leading his church of 15 years to transitioning to an elementary school chaplain/teacher. My Dad's first day at his new job at the church was the day after I was born, so speakers shared memories of my birth story and our families introduction to the community that I participated in from birth to my teens. Interesting stuff...
Keep sharing your story, Javs.
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on Sunday, September 13, 2020 – 02:54 am
I am loving reading your
I am loving reading your story, Jav. Thanks. I was reminded of reading John(ny) and Kai's travel stories, with the same delicious feeling of turning the page to read what's next.
And nice to see part of your history, John.
Viva la Zoners!
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on Sunday, September 13, 2020 – 07:03 am
Hey Javs, I'll check this out
Hey Javs, this looks interesting. I'll check this out when I have some free time.
Just wanted you to know that I left a post for you in the Dune thread to check out. Cheers!
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on Sunday, September 13, 2020 – 08:16 am
Where in CT, Javs? We moved
Where in CT, Javs? We moved from Sydney to Old Greenwich in late 1980. As a matter of fact, we touched down at JFK and learned that John Lennon had been shot.
Talk about culture shock. Greenwich was a totally different world than I'd been living in.
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on Sunday, September 13, 2020 – 09:32 am
I walk down the hall and
I walk down the hall and arrive at my classroom where every day a beautiful red-headed girl is waiting for me.
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on Sunday, September 13, 2020 – 09:40 am
We would spend the next
We would spend the next chapter of our lives living in a gorgeous suburb in Connecticut
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on Sunday, September 13, 2020 – 11:17 pm
Fascinating.
Fascinating.
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on Monday, September 14, 2020 – 03:27 am
gracias por compartir tu
gracias por compartir tu historia, bien escrito!
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on Monday, September 14, 2020 – 07:34 am
Thanks everyone for your
Thanks everyone for your input and feedback, it's really nice to hear from everyone and their perspective.
JohhnyD thanks for sharing about the memories of your mother and father. It sounds like they lead pretty interesting lives and those audio tapes must be a real trip to listen to. I wonder if some of those might even be of interest to historical societies. I imagine the Cesar Chavez one would be, at least. Very cool stuff! :)
Thanks very kindly, Judit!
6, thank you, and I'm heading over there next.
BK, that's crazy. I don't know if Old Greenwich and Greenwich are the same thing, but I lived in Greenwich, CT for all of 82 and 83 and left in early 84. Apparently it's like one of the richest places in the US, or something like that. We lived in a nice but not huge house at the end of a cul-de-sac. Very cool and beautiful place. How long did you live there? Why were you in Sydney before and how old were you when you changed? Crazy stuff, thanks for sharing!
Alan, haha, you're a trip, brother, I love it. I'm guessing you created that hoodie image, which is totally awesome; you really know how to work the digital imaging, something I would really like to learn.
Thanks, Jaz, and gracias, LLOLLO!
Rereading this part I notice some narrative flaws, and some continuity issues which I'm trying to address as I move forward writing. I only have vacation for one more week, but I'm going to try to get one or two more chapters out. Thanks again everyone!
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on Monday, September 14, 2020 – 08:59 am
>>>>Greenwich, CT for all of
>>>>Greenwich, CT for all of 82 and 83
We lived one town over at that time after 3 years in europe
weird
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Andean Flight Javs Corner
on Monday, September 14, 2020 – 09:08 am
Craziness, huh? As you start
Craziness, huh? As you start telling these stories unexpected connections pop up. Where in Europe did you live, Joy?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: joy blackrock
on Monday, September 14, 2020 – 09:27 am
First exposed to Jerry in an
First exposed to Jerry in an ex pat bar in the capitol.
Montana Mike's Feed and Fuel
I remember Brown eyed women on the juke box caught my attention
I was more of a metal head then(when metal was good) so I didn't know who the Dead were except I knew my older sibling didn't like them
but my other sibling made us watch the 81 rockpalst show on live tv
Coming back to the states, after learning to smoke hash, the only stoners with good weed were deadheads
Lake Placid 83 is when I got on the bus
Did you get to smoke any of the goopy brown thai weed that flooded that area around that time? Loved that weed
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Monday, September 14, 2020 – 10:47 am
Without getting into my whole
Without getting into my whole biography:
My father's father was a registered Communist, originally from the slums of East London. My father rebelled and became an aerospace engineer, and then moved into Systems and Operations for international banking. I was born in MA, then we lived in NJ from the time I was 1-4. Then:
London for 2.5 years, Toronto for just under a year, and Sydney for 5.5 years. Although I was "American," and always spent time here in vacations, I hadn't really lived in the country until I was 12. It was a weird dichotomy.
I hated Greenwich. The kids were so different than me and cared about totally different things. Nobody gave a shit about clothes in Australia. Once you took off your uniform, you threw on whatever and went outside. It was really different in Greenwich. I always felt like an outsider. Maybe that's why I was so drawn to the Deadheads, who were also outsiders.
I only lived there for just over 4 years. My parents moved back to London and I said "fuck that" and went to boarding school for 2 years.
I went from best student in my class, in Sydney, to the worst. Even though Greenwich has one of the best public school systems, it was nowhere near what I was used to. Even though I had already finished 5th grade, they started me half way through 5th grade. I finished that entire curriculum in 2 weeks, so they jumped me up a year.
I still remember my first day of school. As we were saying the Pledge of Allegiance, which was new to me, I looked around at all the foreign kids and wondered why they were being made to say it. They weren't American. It seemed pretty fucked up.
They were doing that weird standardized testing, where the teacher read a passage and you had to transcribe it. I guess they were checking spelling and grammar. It fucked be up because I didn't know if I would spell it "Mum" or "Mom," or put the "u" in words like "flavor."
I retrospect, I can remember a snippet from my first day of school in England and Australia, too.
I was in kindergarten in London, and they were learning about William the Conqueror. I still remember that "1066" on the blackboard. I don't think we had even learned to wipe our noses.
My first day in Australia we were learning homophones. The teacher said "pour" three times. I raised my hand, "Huh? You pour the milk. If you have no money you're poor. What's the third one?"
Everyone looked at me like I was crazy. "The dog hurt his paw."
And that was my first lesson in the Australian accent: poor, pour and paw are pronounced the same.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Monday, September 14, 2020 – 11:07 am
Both my parents came from
Both my parents came from nothing. They worked their asses off to give us everything they didn't, and very good lives. As the same time, they wanted us to be aware of the social and political ills in the world. When we lived in Australia they carted us around Southeast Asia. We weren't sheltered from either the opulence or the poverty.
I was probably 8, and we were in Ceylon. We were driving to the mountains and stopped at a roadside stand. My parents got us a soda and pack of gum. Score we could dig in, they pointed to the 2 kids in the rice paddy, no older than us, and said to give it to them. It was a profound moment.
Although you may see me as some neolib, or whatever, I'm not. I'm a realist when it comes to the presidency. I've cast substantially more votes for Green, Socialist and even Communist than I have for Democrats, even at the federal level. I have a deep understanding of how US policies affect the world, positively and negatively, and how we got to our wonderful lifestyle.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: An organ grinder’s tune Turtle
on Monday, September 14, 2020 – 11:48 am
colorful history man. pretty
colorful history man. pretty interesting. keep going.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Andean Flight Javs Corner
on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 – 07:43 am
Joy, that's really cool,
Turtle, I think your comment applies to both mine and BK's posts potentially, but either way, thanks man! :)
Joy, that's really cool, thanks for sharing. I did not try any of that Thai weed, but in my defense, I was in kindergarten. It would've been weird if I had, hahah ;) I agree that there was a time when metal was good and I've always found the heavy metal / Grateful Dead crossover to be really interesting. I think more than a few Deadheads were Metalheads first and found their way over for whatever reasons.
BK, thanks so much for sharing those tales. I didn't realize you had such an international upbringing, that's nuts. I love the story about the homophones in Australia, that's fucking hysterical. I've been trying to say it in my head just to see how an Australian would say it and just cracking up. That's crazy about your Grandfather, the communist in London! Can you imagine, being a flat-out declared communist in, what? The 1930s? 40s? One of my Great-Great Grandfathers was a radical politician in Argentina who was exiled from the country twice for his views, haha. It's crazy to me to think about how hard it is for people in general to stand up for beliefs that are out of the norm today, and then think about what it must have been like to do so a hundred or more years ago.
Thank you also for sharing about how your parents led you and your brother to learn about inequality and differences in the world and about your voting over the years. Politics are politics, man. I'm usually a dick when discussing them, or, at least on the Zone. No, in real life, too, but on the Zone sometimes conversations get out of hand and it turns into a semi-funny, semi-intellectual brawl. But you and a handful of other people on here are the ones I know I can always get legitimate and well thought-out points of view, which I appreciate greatly.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 – 08:25 am
Poor
Poor
Pour
(Paw)
What happened to Pore?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 – 08:51 am
My grandfather was an
My grandfather was an interesting guy. Out of his 7 siblings, he was the only one to go to high school, and that was because of a Rothschild scholarship for poor Jews from the slums. He came to the US illegally a number of times but kept getting sent back, before finally doing it legally. He wanted no part of the family pickle business.
I've told the story here about how he and my grandmother housed dozens of hippies for weeks after Woodstock. They lived only a few miles away. I'm pretty sure that he hated that my father became a banker, and that we were raised with privilege.
In boarding school I had to get parental permission to leave campus on weekends. I had permission to leave, on a weekend that Jerry was playing acoustic in Boston. The dean of students called me into his office and said that he was t going to let me leave. I told him that I had permission and he couldn't stop me. So, he wanted to call my parents to confirm. They were traveling and unreachable. Next on the list to call was my grandfather.
The dude explained to my grandfather who Jerry was, and what he thought was going to occur. "I wouldn't let my son go to a Jerry Garcia concert," he said.
I'll never forget my grandfather's response. "If you won't let your kid go, that's all I need to hear. You're a stuck-up elitist prick who thinks they can control people. Brian is going to that concert and you better shut your fucking mouth about it!" And away I went...
It was first grade, Surf. "Pore" was a bit advanced.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary Rasmataz
on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 – 09:20 am
BK + Javs, you talking to us
BK + Javs, you talking to us this whole time ?
https://youtu.be/V5TqHKB_RDM
Just playin with ya boys, good stuff there.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Judah Listen to the Lion
on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 – 10:55 am
Lol Javs. So your dad was
Lol Javs. So your dad was part of the fascist Pinochet government and you support not voting trump out of office, as some sort of purported self-anointed "radical intellectual." lol. Apple doesn't fall from the tree, does it, comrade?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Andean Flight Javs Corner
on Sunday, September 20, 2020 – 07:42 am
BK, those are very cool
BK, those are very cool stories about your Grandpa and family. Thanks again for sharing them. I didn't know the story about your grandparents and the Woodstock hippies, that's totally wild!
Judah, despite you obviously just wanting to troll and be a dick, I'll take a moment to explain to you that my father was part of a tradition of a family that served in the foreign service for over a century. My father served under Pinochet, it's true, and later on in life would be essentially exiled to Siberia (along with me and our family) for being part of a vocal group of diplomats who openly stated that they represented the country Chile, not it's government. My father would later serve under center left, further left and center right governments, being named ambassador twice, once by a president from the Socialist party, and once by a President from a right wing party.
Does that answer your question you lame, trustafarian generic I-tal internet tough guy?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Judah Listen to the Lion
on Friday, September 25, 2020 – 11:41 am
Lol, Javs! I seem to have
Lol, Javs! I seem to have struck a nerve or, in the parlance of your uber-wokeness, "triggered" you. Lol!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Judah Listen to the Lion
on Friday, September 25, 2020 – 11:41 am
Lol, Javs! I seem to have
Lol, Javs! I seem to have struck a nerve or, in the parlance of your uber-wokeness, "triggered" you. Lol!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Judah Listen to the Lion
on Friday, September 25, 2020 – 11:50 am
Does that answer your
Does that answer your question you lame, trustafarian generic I-tal internet tough guy?
Lol. No. You just made a lot of inaccurate assumptions about me and my name and went on an ad hominen attack. Ha ha. Very intellectual, Javs.
"Trustafarian/I-tal." Ha ha. Wrong Tribe, reference, and background, economic and otherwise.
You are the one from a privileged "diplomatic" family background.
"internet tough guy." More like a small axe who doesn't like hypocrites, fascists, and anti-semites.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Judah Listen to the Lion
on Friday, September 25, 2020 – 11:58 am
Does Chile even have a right
Does Chile even have a right to exist?
The territory of Chile has been populated since at least 3000 BC by indigenous people. However, by the 16th century, Spanish conquistadors began to subdue and colonize the region of present-day Chile, and the territory was a colony between 1540 and 1818, when it gained independence from Spain.
Chile is the only country in Latin America, that does not recognize the indigenous peoples in its constitution. For that, indigenous groups face challenges, especially in terms of territorial rights.
During WWII, Chile maintained relations with the nazis and their axis allies. During the Holocaust (1939-1945), Chile reduced its quota of Jewish immigrants that it allowed in to Chile by over 50%.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Andean Flight Javs Corner
on Friday, September 25, 2020 – 03:16 pm
Oooh, the Conquering Kitten
Oooh, the Conquering Kitten of Judah is feeling frisky on a Friday! Fun times!
You don't strike any nerve, you've just shown the level of dialogue that you're capable of, so I can meet you there. It's the zone, after all.
All you do is troll and toss shit around but never actually say anything, but that's ok. You do you.
Does Chile have the right to exist? That's a strange question. Define 'right' and then define what gives any nation/state the right to exist. We had this conversation with Duke back on the old zone, and he was one sharp dude. He pointed out (and it's always stuck in my mind) that no nation/state really has the right to exist. They were pretty much all founded on violence and bloodshed. Chile is no different. Founded by plundering Spaniards and a European oligarchy that destroyed and brutalized the local indigenous populace only to steal all the wealth and govern for their own. Not that different than any American nation.
So if you ask me do I think that morally or ethically does Chile have the right to exist, my answer to you would be no, and nor does any nation/state that was founded on violence and the violent displacement of the people who lived there. Can you think of any other examples founded by people who displaced other people that lived there?
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on Friday, September 25, 2020 – 03:17 pm
And if you want to talk about
And if you want to talk about Chilean support for Nazis, L oh fucking L. Your former President's father did business with them. The Nazi's entire eugenics program was modelled after American concepts of racial purity. The Hitler Youth were modelled after the Boy Scouts. I mean, LOL. You're American, right? Is this the part where we play the guilt by national association game?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: doctor doolittle
on Friday, September 25, 2020 – 03:33 pm
Javs did you ever sell shirts
Javs did you ever sell shirts on tour. Met a guy who said he was from Chile at the Spectrum selling tye-dyes.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Friday, September 25, 2020 – 03:46 pm
It seems like the beautiful
It seems like the beautiful telling of a person's history has gotten sidetracked. A couple of people's histories, actually.
Judah, if you have bones to pick with Jav, why not start a thread about that topic, not a Jav call out thread, but about the things that you want to express yourself about or ask questions about. There was a lovely elegance to this thread that seems to have been lost.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: An organ grinder’s tune Turtle
on Friday, September 25, 2020 – 04:01 pm
>Does Chile even have a right
>Does Chile even have a right to exist? <
about as much as israel?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Friday, September 25, 2020 – 07:08 pm
Just about every country on
Just about every country on Earth is now populated by folks who moved in from elsewhere, killed and/or subjugated the previous inhabitants. and took over the running of the place.