Walsh was a monster with the James Gang. His later stuff, not so much.
I have to go with Ernest. Nice mix of Garcia, Santana, and Zappa. He has had his highs and lows too, but his playing today is as strong as it ever was.
Let’s try it this way... it’s Sat night, (or any night for that matter) and all three guys are playing within walking distance of your house for free. And you have best seats on the house for all three shows.
Who do you go see? Seems fairly easy. To help out here, it’s not Joe Walsh.
Clapton is the best blues player of the three and the best songwriter.
Walsh is the best pure rocker.
Trey is the only one of the three who is an improvisor, and he's great at it.
For my personal preference that puts Trey way over the other two, because you never know what you'll get from night to night, and neither does he, while the other two play their songs & their licks, every night the same songs, every night the same licks.
Plus Trey is the one who has been a multi-decade big league star without a hit song to carry him, and that scores lots of points with me because he has to earn it every night, not selling tix today based on a great night 28 - 45 years ago when he wrote a great song.
Not that there's anything wrong with writing a great song, but I prefer those who create in the moment.
>it’s Sat night, (or any night for that matter) and all three guys are playing within walking distance of your house for free. And you have best seats on the house for all three shows<
Clapton is the best blues player of the three and the best songwriter.
Walsh is the best pure rocker.
Trey is the only one of the three who is an improvisor, and he's great at it.
For my personal preference that puts Trey way over the other two, because you never know what you'll get from night to night, and neither does he, while the other two play their songs & their licks, every night the same songs, every night the same licks.
Plus Trey is the one who has been a multi-decade big league star without a hit song to carry him, and that scores lots of points with me because he has to earn it every night, not selling tix today based on a great night 28 - 45 years ago when he wrote a great song.
Not that there's anything wrong with writing a great song, but I prefer those who create in the moment<<<
I'm mostly with just about everything you've said, with the following exception:
I haven't seen enough of Joe Walsh to know for sure, but it sure does seem like there's a genuine improviser inside of him that would rival Trey in the right format and under the right circumstances. While it looks like Walsh mostly stays within the same general lines when he does his thing, it should be readily apparent that he is clearly "living in the moment".
I would say the same thing about Pete Townshend. Imagine if it suddenly dawned on either of them that if they altered their "approach" (song re-arrangement / mix up setlists every day / improv) they'd likely receive a catagorically new "lease on life" re: their respective catalogs!
As it stands, I'd likely go see Walsh for a one-off free show, but would likely pick Trey if it were to be a "run".
As far as Clapton goes: he'd also benefit from the wholesale change of approach, but I still would see him as being more in the "center" of things - without the potentially to really hit those far out peaks simply by virtue of his style. Maybe not a perfect analogy, but kind of view Trey in the TAB in the same light ... it's always going to be good if not great, but never face melting.
That's a good blues jam for sure, from a very long time ago, but I'd imagine that if you listen to the Spoonful they played the next night and the next and the next his jamming would likely sound pretty much the same.
There's a difference between jamming & improvising.
Well I'm sure that Jack Bruce is equally responsible for it Lance, but Cream was deep into the ether that particular night at The Fillmore East. I have often imagined what the scene was like out on the floor during that performance. I bet there were some heavily puddled attendees who were breaking down into an embryonic gel.
Eric Clapton is great, but I always get stuck on Derek and the Dominos.. What a fucking great album.. Too bad the guitarist that made it memorable isnt with us anymore.
That’s like saying Jerry was good long ago but is now overrated. Yes Clapton is past his prime , so much so that he is semi retired but that does not change the fact that he is one of the all time greats and a beacon for the blues. So is Joe Walsh btw but just not as influential or deep as Clapton. Both of them achieved broad mainstream appeal while staying true to artistic vision. Trey has not had that same type of mainstream appeal but does have a strong cult following.
influenced eminent guitarists including Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Keith Richards, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Jeff Beck, Gary Clark Jr. and John Mayer. In the 1960s, Guy played with Muddy Waters as a house guitarist at Chess Records and began a musical partnership with the harmonica player Junior Wells.
I don't believe that people are questioning Clapton's talent or his influence, it's a personal preference thing. I personally am bored by much of Clapton's catalog, i enjoy his work with Cream and Blind Faith.
No joke, Jambone, I will listen to Cream and Blind Faith, but Clapton is not the reason. Sure he is talented and has influenced many players, but I would rather listen to Anastasio and Walsh seven days a week. And i prefer JJ Cale over Clapton as well.
I love a lil JJ , myself , T...and i hear ya on the "who id rather listen to" etc...especially today...id go see Trey, Joe, and EC, in that order , if it was today...
Im just referring to ppls comments above, who took the thread as a "who is a better player" thread...now, since i dont play, i never get involved in those, and dont think i would even if i did play, but, EVERY guitar player i know, every one ive ever talked to about Clapton, has him rated on a differant level. A place reserved for a very few players...and as much as i love joe walsh, and trey...neither of them are ever even mentioned in those conversations etc...
Im just referring to ppls comments above, who took the thread as a "who is a better player" thread...now, since i dont play, i never get involved in those, and dont think i would even if i did play, but, EVERY guitar player i know, every one ive ever talked to about Clapton, has him rated on a differant level. A place reserved for a very few players...and as much as i love joe walsh, and trey...neither of them are ever even mentioned in those conversations etc...<<<<
I'm actually more interested in finding a common thread among the three instead of who's "better", just took a roundabout and slightly trollish approach.
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What kind of narcotics are we
What kind of narcotics are we talking about specifically.
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Clapton is good, but
Clapton is good, but overrated.
Walsh was a monster with the James Gang. His later stuff, not so much.
I have to go with Ernest. Nice mix of Garcia, Santana, and Zappa. He has had his highs and lows too, but his playing today is as strong as it ever was.
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Joe motherfucking Walsh
Joe motherfucking Walsh
trey? Lol
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which one did jerry cover?
which one did jerry cover?
there is your answer.
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Ha. Walsh and Trey could
Ha. Walsh and Trey could maybe be Clapton's pick caddy.
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Clapton was good thru blind
Clapton was good thru blind faith
That was a long time ago
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Saw Clapton last year. He
Saw Clapton last year. He was sublime.
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Clapton wearing Italian suits
Clapton wearing Italian suits talkin’ about “it’s in the way that you use it...”,
hard to come back after that with me.
BUT if he comes anywhere near, I’m in.
Walsh? Foreman’s basement pretty much here
Trey today? compared to just a couple years ago... WTF happened?
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Sorry, this is not close, if based on peak performance.
EC
even as an old man, guy can play:
e.g: Clapton & Cale 2007: Gotta get better in a little while
https://youtu.be/Y6vGL4Obj5A
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Clapton is my sentimental
Clapton is my sentimental favorite. Cream was my favorite band when I was in high school.
Then, he introduced me to Buddy Guy (via Rolling Stone Magazine, if I remember correctly).
Big fan of Walsh, too.
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Youtube is cool.
Youtube is cool.
Clapton & Cale, little wing, 2007: https://youtu.be/dX0vI_lD1EA
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Buddy Guy melted my mind with
Buddy Guy melted my mind with this one (Stone Crazy album)....works well with um, drugs: https://youtu.be/0fnkHqq2iHI
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Let’s try it this way... it
Let’s try it this way... it’s Sat night, (or any night for that matter) and all three guys are playing within walking distance of your house for free. And you have best seats on the house for all three shows.
Who do you go see? Seems fairly easy. To help out here, it’s not Joe Walsh.
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I don't like Layla. I think
I don't like Layla. I think it is the worst song ever recorded. Worse than Come Sail Away and Give A Little Bit.
I like Joe Walsh's tunes.
I would go see Trey if I could but he doesn't play much around here.
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Buddy is my guy
Buddy is my guy
I will walk there
Yes, also listened to Disraeli gears every day at lunch in high school in the Paly library
oakland arena 1968 Cream brought it
i passed on Clapton a couple of weeks ago
no hunger pangs bro no slick suits
Jimi, Jerry, Carlos , then BIG drop off
eric top 25?
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Clapton is the best blues
Clapton is the best blues player of the three and the best songwriter.
Walsh is the best pure rocker.
Trey is the only one of the three who is an improvisor, and he's great at it.
For my personal preference that puts Trey way over the other two, because you never know what you'll get from night to night, and neither does he, while the other two play their songs & their licks, every night the same songs, every night the same licks.
Plus Trey is the one who has been a multi-decade big league star without a hit song to carry him, and that scores lots of points with me because he has to earn it every night, not selling tix today based on a great night 28 - 45 years ago when he wrote a great song.
Not that there's anything wrong with writing a great song, but I prefer those who create in the moment.
Carry on.
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Wasn't Julius kind of a hit?
Wasn't Julius kind of a hit?
On 2nd thought, probably not.
More likely 'FUV simply beat it to death
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Coastlism is hurting
Coastalism is hurting everybody
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Trey top 100???
Trey top 100???
Prob not mine- carry on
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By the way what the fuck is a
By the way what the fuck is a big league star?
I don’t think Trey would ever get to play for Bruce Bochy
carry off
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Neil young big league
Neil young big league
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>it’s Sat night, (or any
>it’s Sat night, (or any night for that matter) and all three guys are playing within walking distance of your house for free. And you have best seats on the house for all three shows<
1. Anastasio
2. Walsh
3. Get some work done around the house.
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Turtle I think the answer is
Turtle I think the answer is which one did Jerry and Trey both cover ?
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Watch the Lockin set of TTB w
Watch the Lockin set of TTB w/Trey.
I'm a fan but not a big Phish fan but I'm a big fan of the members of Phish....if that makes any sense.
Clapton = the lead player that other lead players say 'shit, how and from what world did he come up with that run?'
Trey = the lead player that other lead players say -- 'shit, it's gonna take me a long time to learn those runs'
Walsh = the lead player that other lead players say -- 'shit, that's awesome. I can play that, I just couldn't write that song.'
Get them all on stage together and you'd have one hell of a show.
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Clapton is the best blues
Clapton is the best blues player of the three and the best songwriter.
Walsh is the best pure rocker.
Trey is the only one of the three who is an improvisor, and he's great at it.
For my personal preference that puts Trey way over the other two, because you never know what you'll get from night to night, and neither does he, while the other two play their songs & their licks, every night the same songs, every night the same licks.
Plus Trey is the one who has been a multi-decade big league star without a hit song to carry him, and that scores lots of points with me because he has to earn it every night, not selling tix today based on a great night 28 - 45 years ago when he wrote a great song.
Not that there's anything wrong with writing a great song, but I prefer those who create in the moment<<<
I'm mostly with just about everything you've said, with the following exception:
I haven't seen enough of Joe Walsh to know for sure, but it sure does seem like there's a genuine improviser inside of him that would rival Trey in the right format and under the right circumstances. While it looks like Walsh mostly stays within the same general lines when he does his thing, it should be readily apparent that he is clearly "living in the moment".
I would say the same thing about Pete Townshend. Imagine if it suddenly dawned on either of them that if they altered their "approach" (song re-arrangement / mix up setlists every day / improv) they'd likely receive a catagorically new "lease on life" re: their respective catalogs!
https://youtu.be/w1-AVh-ZylI?t=72
As it stands, I'd likely go see Walsh for a one-off free show, but would likely pick Trey if it were to be a "run".
As far as Clapton goes: he'd also benefit from the wholesale change of approach, but I still would see him as being more in the "center" of things - without the potentially to really hit those far out peaks simply by virtue of his style. Maybe not a perfect analogy, but kind of view Trey in the TAB in the same light ... it's always going to be good if not great, but never face melting.
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>>>>>>Turtle I think the
>>>>>>Turtle I think the answer is which one did Jerry and Trey both cover ?
I agree. Jerry’s version of Life In The Fast Lane was sublime.
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Clapton can't improvise?
Clapton can't improvise?
Might I suggest the live version of "Spoonful" on Cream's "Wheels Of Fire" album. No version Garcia ever recorded even comes close.
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And I'd imagine that if you
That's a good blues jam for sure, from a very long time ago, but I'd imagine that if you listen to the Spoonful they played the next night and the next and the next his jamming would likely sound pretty much the same.
There's a difference between jamming & improvising.
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Well I'm sure that Jack Bruce
Well I'm sure that Jack Bruce is equally responsible for it Lance, but Cream was deep into the ether that particular night at The Fillmore East. I have often imagined what the scene was like out on the floor during that performance. I bet there were some heavily puddled attendees who were breaking down into an embryonic gel.
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Eric Clapton is great, but I
Eric Clapton is great, but I always get stuck on Derek and the Dominos.. What a fucking great album.. Too bad the guitarist that made it memorable isnt with us anymore.
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Do these three musicians
Do these three musicians share something more in common than most?
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As bland as Clapton has
As bland as Clapton has become, it’s still not a contest
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As bland as Clapton has
As bland as Clapton has become<<
Bullshit premise. Kicked ass when I saw him less than a year ago. Making it look easy doesn't make it bland.
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"Clapton is good, but
"Clapton is good, but overrated."
This is what those with no historical perspective say.
Like Dylan, everyone followed in his footsteps.
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>>>>>Jimi, Jerry, Carlos ,
>>>>>Jimi, Jerry, Carlos , then BIG drop off
I dunno, I'd put EC with those guys. Yes, his style is more derivative, but he still belongs in the top four.
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Clapton was good, long ago
Clapton was good, long ago
But is now overrated (and has been for quite a while)
One man’s historical perspective (It must be useless because he also thinks this is the worst “president” we have ever had
AND republicans are also massive losers for not having any morals or spine.
hysterical perspective
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That’s like saying Jerry was
That’s like saying Jerry was good long ago but is now overrated. Yes Clapton is past his prime , so much so that he is semi retired but that does not change the fact that he is one of the all time greats and a beacon for the blues. So is Joe Walsh btw but just not as influential or deep as Clapton. Both of them achieved broad mainstream appeal while staying true to artistic vision. Trey has not had that same type of mainstream appeal but does have a strong cult following.
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Clapton is God
Clapton is God
I remember and agree
Talented skilled visionary influential
all true
It’s just to me, he kind of sold out to whimpy pop music a long time ago
And I have a hard time respecting or appreciating it
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And yes Jerry’s skills
And yes Jerry’s skills diminished greatly over the years
Being a burnt out junkie supporting so many bad habits and bad people can do that
Many are less aware because they Got on the bus later and relate to their personal live experiences
There were moments of magic in the 90s
being objective, there was way more mediocrity, especially to the standard of Mr. Jerome John garcia
And I’m not deadier than thou by any measure
Just my opinion informed by my life experience
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And I have way way way more
And I have way way way more opinions than assholes
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ERIC JOHNSON CRUSHES CLAPTON
ERIC JOHNSON CRUSHES CLAPTON
have you ever been experienced???
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Who is 83?
Who is 83?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Guy
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influenced eminent guitarists
influenced eminent guitarists including Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Keith Richards, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Jeff Beck, Gary Clark Jr. and John Mayer. In the 1960s, Guy played with Muddy Waters as a house guitarist at Chess Records and began a musical partnership with the harmonica player Junior Wells.
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I don't believe that people are questioning Clapton's talent or his influence, it's a personal preference thing. I personally am bored by much of Clapton's catalog, i enjoy his work with Cream and Blind Faith.
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A vote for joe Walsh!
A vote for joe Walsh!
https://apple.news/A9xDV7SEESKaMt03QD_j2_Q
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You may like one s music more
You may like one s music more than the others, but this thread is a joke, right?
Its no contest.
And , i love joe and trey....
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No joke, Jambone, I will listen to Cream and Blind Faith, but Clapton is not the reason. Sure he is talented and has influenced many players, but I would rather listen to Anastasio and Walsh seven days a week. And i prefer JJ Cale over Clapton as well.
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I love a lil JJ , myself , T.
I love a lil JJ , myself , T...and i hear ya on the "who id rather listen to" etc...especially today...id go see Trey, Joe, and EC, in that order , if it was today...
Im just referring to ppls comments above, who took the thread as a "who is a better player" thread...now, since i dont play, i never get involved in those, and dont think i would even if i did play, but, EVERY guitar player i know, every one ive ever talked to about Clapton, has him rated on a differant level. A place reserved for a very few players...and as much as i love joe walsh, and trey...neither of them are ever even mentioned in those conversations etc...
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Im just referring to ppls
Im just referring to ppls comments above, who took the thread as a "who is a better player" thread...now, since i dont play, i never get involved in those, and dont think i would even if i did play, but, EVERY guitar player i know, every one ive ever talked to about Clapton, has him rated on a differant level. A place reserved for a very few players...and as much as i love joe walsh, and trey...neither of them are ever even mentioned in those conversations etc...<<<<
I'm actually more interested in finding a common thread among the three instead of who's "better", just took a roundabout and slightly trollish approach.
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http://ratdog.org/community
http://ratdog.org/community/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=346813
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Total Joke Thread
Total Joke Thread
Trey -- Yawn
Joe -- Slick
EC -- God
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Jeff Beck mops the floor with
Jeff Beck mops the floor with the lot of em
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Jeff Beck stopped playing
Jeff Beck stopped playing rock n roll when he left the Yardbirds
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I think I agree with you Joy.
I think I agree with you Joy, sort of. Jeff single handedly has had the most impact on the inevitable evolution of rock n roll.
Jeff Beck - Morning Dew (Live)
https://youtu.be/Kkklucc22K8
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What god wants, Roger Waters
What god wants, Roger Waters with Jeff Beck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMRrS_zYKDg
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That Dew is all right, but
That Dew is all right, but nobody can do the Dew like the GD does the Dew.
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really wanted to include
really wanted to include Frampton in this too
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If I'm going to the show with
If I'm going to the show with my wife
Clapton
Walsh
Trey
If I'm going by myself
Trey
Clapton
Walsh