California Sea level rise...

We are fucked glad I'm old

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM0uZ9mfOUI

 

Yeah i think i'll be Dead and Gone before there is A Significant change But Ya Never Know ? California Coasts.........

Well at least it will wash away the nukes and solve that problem.

Move

lol.... another distraction to herd you all away from the real issues facing us today.... fake news at its finest....

look around you.... stuff happening right now...... not 70 years down the road... no, right now.....

 

 

i will gong for you later tonight..

"could elevate the water in coastal areas up to 10 feet in just 70 years"

Never happen.

^In the Norfolk VA area the army corps of engineers predicts up to a six foot rise in sea level by century's end.

A brief review of predictions made by environmental activists......

In 1970, when Earth Day was conceived, the late George Wald, a Nobel laureate biology professor at Harvard University, predicted, "Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind." Also in 1970, Paul Ehrlich, a Stanford University biologist and best-selling author of "The Population Bomb," declared that the world's population would soon outstrip food supplies. In an article for The Progressive, he predicted, "The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years." He gave this warning in 1969 to Britain's Institute of Biology: "If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000." On the first Earth Day, Ehrlich warned, "In 10 years, all important animal life in the sea will be extinct." Despite such predictions, Ehrlich has won no fewer than 16 awards, including the 1990 Crafoord Prize, the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences' highest award.

In International Wildlife (July 1975), Nigel Calder warned, "The threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind." In Science News (1975), C.C. Wallen of the World Meteorological Organization is reported as saying, "The cooling since 1940 has been large enough and consistent enough that it will not soon be reversed."

In 2000, climate researcher David Viner told The Independent, a British newspaper, that within "a few years," snowfall would become "a very rare and exciting event" in Britain. "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said. "Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past." In the following years, the U.K. saw some of its largest snowfalls and lowest temperatures since records started being kept in 1914.

In 1970, ecologist Kenneth Watt told a Swarthmore College audience: "The world has been chilling sharply for about 20 years. If present trends continue, the world will be about 4 degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990 but 11 degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age."

Also in 1970, Sen. Gaylord Nelson wrote in Look magazine: "Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian (Institution), believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct."

Scientist Harrison Brown published a chart in Scientific American that year estimating that mankind would run out of copper shortly after 2000. Lead, zinc, tin, gold and silver were to disappear before 1990.

Read more at http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams042617.php3#P40ZfZCpCm11htAd.99

Given this dismal track record (and this is just the tip of the ice berg) you'll forgive me for harboring doubts when I hear yet another prediction of gloom and doom.

^Is the army Corps of engineers made up of environmental activists?

In conclusion....

Hoodwinking Americans is part of the environmentalist agenda. Environmental activist Stephen Schneider told Discover magazine in 1989: "We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. ... Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest." In 1988, then-Sen. Timothy Wirth, D-Colo., said: "We've got to ... try to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong ... we will be doing the right thing anyway in terms of economic policy and environmental policy."

Americans have paid a steep price for buying into environmental deception and lies.

Read more at http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams042617.php3#P40ZfZCpCm11htAd.99

If the problem is as serious as they claim then there is absolutely nothing that you can do to stop it by now.  The idea that you can reduce CO2 emissions enough to stop what they claim is happening is impossible.

Thom, how about the US Navy? Are they a bunch of environmental activists?

 

"Norfolk is at risk over the next few decades if we don't do something to slow down sea level rise," Navy Secretary Ray Mabus told a gathering in Washington, D.C., on Monday"

 

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/navy-secretary-mabus-ris...

And when I look at the report this is what I see:

"This document was produced by a Working Group of the California Ocean Protection Council Science Advisory Team (OPC-SAT), supported and convened by the California Ocean Science Trust."

That ain't the US Army Corps of Engineers, and I don't see them listed here either:

CONTRIBUTORS

Working Group Members

Gary Griggs

University of California Santa Cruz,

OPC-SAT (Working Group Chair)

Dan Cayan

Scripps Institution of

Oceanography, OPC-SAT

Claudia Tebaldi

National Center for Atmospheric

Research & Climate Central

Helen Amanda Fricker

Scripps Institution of Oceanography

Joseph Árvai

University of Michigan

Robert DeConto

University of Massachusetts

Robert E. Kopp

Rutgers University

Project Team

Liz Whiteman

California Ocean Science Trust

Susi Moser

Susanne Moser Research & Consulting

Jenn Fox

Consultant

 

Thom, check out the Navy's research concerning sea level. I am commenting of the situation in the Norfolk VA. area. I'm not sure if you realize it, but sea level rise is not just a concern for California, it is an issue affecting the entire planet.

You can't beat thom, he has the internet on his side

 

read more https://www.google.com/

>>>>>What scientists are observing now is, they say, a rapid and steep change that, even as it unfolds over comparatively long periods of time, is nonetheless occurring at a breathtaking pace.

 

This is the problem. If AGW was occurring faster, everyone would be concerned. The exact timing and extent is still not accurately known, but the inevitability of some amount of inconvenient/dangerous/catastrophic sea level rise is clear.

Tom, those predictions in 1970 didn't come true because after that first earth day people started caring about the environment and were actively trying reduce pollution for really the first time ever.

 

Seriously that is one terrible argument you're trying to put forward.

 

Timeline of Environmental Milestones

1970: 20 million people celebrate the first Earth Day

1970: President Richard Nixon establishes the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency with the mission to protect the environment and public health

1970: Congress amends the Clean Air Act to set national standards for air quality, auto emission and anti-pollution

1971: Congress restricts lead-based paint in homes and on cribs and toys

1972: EPA bans DDT, a cancer-causing pesticide, and requires review of all pesticides

1972: United States and Canada agree to clean up the Great Lakes, which contain 95 percent of America’s fresh water and supply 25 million people with drinking water

1972: Congress passes the Clean Water Act, limiting raw sewage and other pollutants flowing into lakes, rivers and streams

1973: EPA begins phasing out gasoline

1973: OPEC oil embargo triggers energy crisis, stimulating conservation and research on alternative energy sources

1973: EPA issues its first permit limiting a factory’s polluted discharges into waterways

1974: Congress passes the Safe Drinking Water Act, allowing EPA to regulate the quality of public drinking water

1975: Congress establishes fuel economy and tail-pipe emission standards for cars, resulting in the introduction of catalytic converters

1976: Congress passes the Resource Conservation Act, regulating hazardous waste from its production to its disposal

1976: President Gerald Ford signs the Toxic Substances Control Act to reduce environmental and human health risks

1976: EPA begins phase-out of cancer-causing PCB production and use

1977: President Jimmy Carter signs Clean Air Act amendments to strengthen air quality standards and protect human health

1978: Love Canal, NY residents discover contamination from buries leaking chemical containers

1978: Federal government bans chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) as propellants in aerosol cans because they destroy the ozone layer

1979: EPA demonstrates scrubber technology for removing air pollution from coal-fired power plants, and the technology becomes widely adopted in the 1980s

1979: Three Mile Island nuclear power plant accident near Harrisburg, PA spurs awareness and discussion about nuclear power safety. EPA and other agencies monitor the radioactive fallout

1980: Congress creates Superfund to clean up hazardous waste sites, but polluters are responsible for the most hazardous sites

1981: National Research Council report finds acid raid intensifying in the northeastern U.S. and Canada

1982: Congress passes laws for safe disposal of nuclear waste

1982: The government is forces to buy homes in Times Beach, MO due to Dioxin contamination. The federal government and responsible polluters share the cleanup costs.

1982: The environmental justice movement begins following a PSB landfill protest in North Carolina

1983: Cleanup actions on the Chesapeake Bay begin to rid pollution from sewage treatment plants, urban runoff and farm waste

1983: EPA encourages homeowners to test for gas, which causes lung cancer

1985: Scientists report a giant hole in the earth’s ozone layer opens each spring over Antarctica

1986: Congress declares the public has a right to know when toxic chemicals are released into air, land and water

1987: U.S. signs the Montreal Protocol, pledging to phase-out CFC production

1987: Medical and other waste washes up on shores and closes beaching in New York and New Jersey

1987: EPA’s "Unfinished Business” report compares relative risk of environmental challenges for the first time

1988: Congress bans ocean dumping of sewage sludge and industrial waste

1989: Exxon Valdez spills 11 million gallons of crude oil into Alaska’s Prince William Sound and is fined $1 billion for the spill

1990: Congress passes Clean Air Act amendments requiring states to demonstrate progress in air quality improvements

1990: EPA’s Toxic Release Inventory tells which pollutants are being released from specific facilities in communities

1990: President George Bush signs the Pollution Prevention Act, emphasizing the importance of preventing –not just correcting-environmental damage

1990: President George Bush signs the National Environmental Education Act, showing the importance of environmental education for scientifically sound, balanced and responsible decisions

1991: Federal agencies begin using recycled content products

1991: EPA launches voluntary industry partnership programs for energy efficient lighting and reducing toxic chemical emissions

1992: EPA launches the ENERGY STAR® Program to help consumers identify energy efficient products

1993: EPA reports secondhand smoke contaminates indoor air, posing health risks for nonsmokers

1993: A cryptosporidium outbreak in drinking in Milwaukee, WI sickens 400,000 people and kills more than 100

1993: President Bill Clinton directs the federal government to use its $200 billion annual purchasing power to buy recycled and environmentally preferable products

1994: EPA launches the Brownfields Program to clean up abandoned, contaminated sites to return them to productive use

1994: EPA issues new standards for chemical plants to reduce toxic air pollution by more than half a million tons each year-the equivalent of taking 38 million vehicles off the road annually

1995: EPA launches an incentive-based acid rain program to reduce sulfur dioxide emissions

1995: EPA requires municipal incinerators to reduce toxic emission by 90 percent from 1990 levels

1996: Public drinking supplies are required to inform customers about chemicals and microbes in their water, and funding is made available to upgrade water treatment plants

1996: EPA requires that home buyers and renters to be informed about lead-based paint hazards

1996: President Bill Clinton signs the Food Quality Protection Act to tighten standards for pesticides used to grow food, including special protections to ensure that foods are safe for children

1997: An Executive Order is issued to protect children from environmental health risks, including childhood asthma and lead poisoning

1997: EPA issues new air quality standards for smog and soot, an action that improves air quality for 125 million Americans

1998: President Bill Clinton announces the Clean Water Action Plan to continue making waterways safe for fishing and swimming

1999: President Bill Clinton announces new emissions standards requiring cars, sport utility vehicles, minivans and trucks to be 77 to 95 percent cleaner than in 1999

1999: EPA announces new requirements to improve air quality in national parks and wilderness areas

2000: EPA establishes regulations requiring more than 90 percent cleaner heavy duty highway diesel engines and fuel

2000: National Performance Track program in launched to recognize facilities that exceed legal requirements to make measurable environmental progress

2002: President George W. Bush signs the Small Business Liability Relief and Brownfields Revitalization Act to reclaim and restore thousands of abandoned properties

2002: Clear Skies Initiative and alternative regulations are proposed to keep a "cap and trade” system to reduce SO₂ emissions by 70 percent and NOx emissions by 65 percent below current levels

2003: EPA proposes the first-ever mercury emissions regulations on power plants

2003: EPA provides funds for more than 4,000 school buses to be retrofitted through the Clean Bus USA program, removing 200,000 pounds of particulate matter from the air over the next 10 years

2004: New, more protective, 8-hour ozone and fine particulate standards go into effect across the nation

2004: President George W. Bush proposes the Clean Air Rules of 2004 that will make people healthier and helps protect the future air supply

2004: EPA requires cleaner fuels and engines for off-road diesel machinery such as farm or construction equipment

2005: EPA issues the Clean Air Act Interstate Rule to achieve the largest reduction in air pollution in more than a decade, by permanently capping SO₂ and NOx emissions in the eastern US

2005: National Performance Track program reaches 400 members

2006: EPA’s WaterSense program is created to protect the future water supply with practical ways to use less water

2006: EPA issues the Ground Water Rule to reduce the risk of contamination in public water systems that use ground water

2007: BP Products North America, Inc. agrees to pay the largest criminal fine to date for air violations, including a $62 million criminal fine plus $400 million on safety upgrades. The penalty was for a 2005 refinery explosion that killed 15 and the 2006 oil spill on the Alaskan tundra, which violated the Clean Air and Water Acts

2008: Stronger lead standards require a tenfold decrease in lead levels

2009: President Barack Obama announces a program that sets the nation’s first-ever greenhouse gas emission standards for cars

2009: President Barack Obama signs an Executive Order recognizing the Chesapeake Bay as a national treasure and calling the federal government to lead a renewed effort to restore and protect it and its watershed

2010: EPA proposes stricter health standards for smog

2010: The BP-operated Deepwater Horizon oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico explodes, killing 11 workers and releases about 4.9 million barrels of crude oil, the largest spill in U.S. history

2010: President Barack Obama signs an Executive Order forming the Gulf Coast Ecosystem Restoration Task Force, which will coordinate efforts to implement restoration programs and projects in the region

2010: EPA finalizes a run on the greenhouse gas reporting requirements for facilities that use geologic sequestration

2010: EPA establishes a Chesapeake Bay "pollution diet” to reduce nitrogen, phosphorus and sediment from the surrounding area to put needed pollution controls in place by 2025

2011: EPA proposes a national standard for mercury pollution from power plants, requiring many to install pollution control technologies to cut emissions. The standard is projected to prevent as many as 17,000 premature deaths and 11,000 heart attacks a year

 

http://www.naem.org/?CP_COMP_milestones

im with thom on this.... this is nonsense science rammed down the throat of unsuspecting citizens, via the corporate owned media....

 

dont take the ride folks... focus on your personal power, your soul growth and manifest your life now...

You're wrong about the first part, Jonny, but "focus on your personal power, your soul growth and manifest your life now" is always good advice.

>>>We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. ... Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest." 

 

Trump playbook writ large. 

surf, i see your point, i call it nonsense, because it takes real factoids, and warps them into falsehoods....

 

yes humans suck for the earths climate..... but that is being used to cause false reality, and create even furthur damage to the collective by keeping people guessing, confused, and stuck in a 3D reality, when actually we exist in multiple realities...

It's hard to appreciate other dimensional realities when your feet are getting wet.

>>>>>>yeah, everythings fine.

 

Thom is saying everythings fine and it's too bad to fix so why bother trying in the same thread.

 

Which is it Mr. Research?

how come Ocean Beach in SF still looks the same?

what's the big beef?

It's the end of the world as we know it, and Thom feels fine.

>>>>It's hard to appreciate other dimensional realities when your feet are getting wet.

 

you create your own reality, and YOU are in charge of the world YOU live in....

 

are you a victim??? because it sounds like you are a victim.... hmmm?? what are you turts? can you man up and take charge of YOUR personal reality???

 

yep, the earth is changing..... deal with it.

Went to the beach the other day at high tide and there was no beach, and it wasn't stormy. Been going to the same beach for 40 years and watched the average high tide mark move closer and closer to the bluff. Now it's there.

>>>>>yep, the earth is changing..... deal with it.

 

I'd say the list I provided above is a good example of Americans "dealing with it".  I think abandoning environmental protections is a terrible idea.  Bang a gong, get it on.

Yeah, everything is fine - just don't forget to keep  treading water while convincing yourself of that.

"...And I listened close to everything she said 
She was dreaming about the rocks and trees 
Bleeding everywhere and I wrote down every single thing she said 

And she said, the spirits of the earth 
Are so hungry for justice, they cry..."

The question is why do the deniers rail?

So the fossil fuels can keep burning, oil companies keep ruling you, and you will buy the car.  Trump Casino Grand Canyon!

Remember when Christie blocked the sale of Tesla in NJ?

Good times...

Coconut head

>>>Yeah, everything is fine - just don't forget to keep  treading water while convincing yourself of that.

 

i never said everything is fine....

 

i said you create your own reality.... so, create it.... if you live by the ocean, and its becoming unlivable, or rising... move..... adapt.... its what humans have done for ever....

adapt.

Jonny, I'm basically a go with the flow, adaptable kinda guy, but when the flow is being disrupted by other humans, sometime you got to disrupt their flow.

We are entering the age of mass migration. Look at what a small migration from the Middle East has done to political stability. Future migrations could easily top a billion people. It didn't have to be that way. We have been warned. From the greatest generation to what will be the most hated generation. 

>>>maybe easier to pick up, quit my job and move to colorado with my trust fund brah....

 

dude, you should definetly do that!!!!!

 

best to you,

>>>If the problem is as serious as they claim

in Miami Beach they are raising the roads already due to the increase so far. 

high tide in the storm water system, marine life on the streets.

no problem at all.

IMO, no chance it is reversible.  

what list turt?