So...in the absence of the current scandal, you people wouldn't be bashing the Catholic Church, is that correct? I find that a bit of a stretch. Also, I never once "defended Catholic priests who molest", I have however defended the Catholic Church my whole life and will continue to do so, there's a difference, and by the way, anti-Catholic bigotry certainly predates any current scandal for those of you who aren't old enough to know differently, it's the last socially acceptable form of bigotry in our culture.
Bashing implies innocence. None of that here. The Church has been a force for evil more than good for nearly 2000 years. This is just its latest assault on humans.
This is no current scandal. It's been going on since the beginnings of the church.
But sure let's pretend for a min that there was never a history of sexual abuse and cover up by the Catholic Church. I would simply dismiss the Catholic Church along with every other religion as I do now.
>>> it's the last socially acceptable form of bigotry in our culture.
Really? How myopic are you?
The Catholic Church, from the top down, has made a point of protecting the abusers. It has been happening from the Vatican to the Bishops. For that, the Church itself deserves any criticism it gets. The current Pope has stopped short of making the big moves to end it.
On the day in, day out, religion as a whole brings more joy, peace and solace than it does pain, war and hardship, the Catholic Church included. I have no problem with that. However, sexual abuse of children and nuns, by priests, and the subsequent cover-ups must stop.
So...in the absence of the current scandal, you people wouldn't be bashing the Catholic Church, is that correct?
id still be bashing the catholic church for sure. they have been pushing an ideology of bigotry and sexual repression for thousands of years because it says so in the magic sky man book, and on a global scale are disguising their attempts at indoctrination and colonialism as charity. like are you fucking serious dude? the catholic church? lolz.
In 2013, in a comprehensive review[7] covering 96% of the literature on Mother Teresa, a group of Université de Montréal academics reinforced the foregoing criticism, detailing, among other issues, the missionary's practice of "caring for the sick by glorifying their suffering instead of relieving it, ... her questionable political contacts, her suspicious management of the enormous sums of money she received, and her overly dogmatic views regarding, in particular, abortion, contraception, and divorce". Questioning the Vatican's motivations for ignoring the mass of criticism, the study concluded that Mother Teresa's "hallowed image—which does not stand up to analysis of the facts—was constructed, and that her beatification was orchestrated by an effective media relations campaign" engineered by the Catholic convert and anti-abortion BBC journalist Malcolm Muggeridge
Chatterjee stated that the public image of Mother Teresa as a "helper of the poor" was misleading, and that only a few hundred people are served by even the largest of the homes. In 1998, among the 200 charitable assistance organisations reported to operate in Calcutta, Missionaries of Charity was not ranked among the largest charity organisations–with the Assembly of God charity notably serving a greater number of the poor at 18,000 meals daily.[26]
Chatterjee alleged that many operations of the order engage in no charitable activity at all but instead use their funds for missionary work. He stated, for example, that none of the eight facilities that the Missionaries of Charity run in Papua New Guinea have any residents in them, being purely for the purpose of converting local people to Catholicism.
She was sometimes accused by Hindus in her adopted country of trying to convert the poor to Catholicism by "stealth".[27] Christopher Hitchens described Mother Teresa's organisation as a cult that promoted suffering and did not help those in need. He said that Mother Teresa's own words on poverty proved that her intention was not to help people, quoting her words at a 1981 press conference in which she was asked: "Do you teach the poor to endure their lot?" She replied: "I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people.
It's a free country, if you choose to flaunt your unabashed hatred of the Catholic Church as some twisted badge of honor you'll certainly find plenty of like-minded kinship on this message board and within certain elements of our society. I would put forth the suggestion that your angst is perhaps not limited to the current scandal, but rather a deeply entrenched bigotry against the institution, please correct me if I'm mistaken.
Apart from certain schools in Japan and Tibet, most who choose to practice Buddhism as ordained monks and nuns, also choose to live in celibacy. Sex is seen as a serious monastic transgression. ... In the case of monasticism, abstaining completely from sex is seen as a necessity in order to reach enlightenment.
As a practicing Catholic I would like to go on record as being opposed to the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades were a clash of civilizations, that's a pretty vast topic, there are some interesting documentaries about the Knights Templar.
It's a free country, if you choose to flaunt your unabashed hatred of the Catholic Church as some twisted badge of honor you'll certainly find plenty of like-minded kinship on this message board and within certain elements of our society. I would put forth the suggestion that your angst is perhaps not limited to the current scandal, but rather a deeply entrenched bigotry against the institution, please correct me if I'm mistaken.
youre pretty much right IMO. if you are dumb enough to subscribe to and support a bigoted and repressive institution, i can of course treat them with kindness and respect as a complex individual with different experiences and different perspectives, and a fellow human being, but i cannot respect or acknowledge the intelligence of people who genuinely believe this stuff. i dont really feel this way about people who believe in the bible as a flawed mystical allegory, or just go to church out of family tradition, but folks who honestly believe the bible is the word of god and all that stuff is true, and the folks who participate in serious missionary work/global indoctrination - i just cant respect that, sorry. id never support anything that would punish people for their beliefs, or restrict their freedom to participate in whatever they want, but i 100% believe that people who genuinely believe the bible is the word of god are not intelligent enough to have any kind of input on the way we run our country.
It seems like an "elephant in the room" dynamic to our current polarized society is the notion of whether or not one can really be a card-carrying member of "The Resistance" and not have an open hostility towards the Catholic Church, few would actually mention that, but if we're having an honest discussion about 2019 America, there seemingly is some aspect of truth to the current reality in some way, shape or form, to deny that it impacts the cultural climate is somewhat disingenuous.
...as a "for instance", these guys have probably not attended mass lately, I could be mistaken, I'm not saying that to pass judgment, I'm just hypothesizing that it may be a dynamic to our current climate
I'm just trying to make the point that there's a unique cultural polarization happening right now that in some way, shape or form impacts every institution in our society, if you surgically removed the current scandal from the discussion for the sake of exploring a hypothetical, there would still be an open hostility towards the Catholic Church amplified by our political climate.
I'll leave it there at the moment, carpe diem gentlemen, it's a beautiful albeit imperfect world in which we live, we're all fortunate to be here.
>>>>if you surgically removed the current scandal from the discussion for the sake of exploring a hypothetical, there would still be an open hostility towards the Catholic Church amplified by our political climate.
This just seems like a lame attempt to change the conversation so you don't have to talk about the vile religious leaders who like abusing children.
YES with all politics removed you're simply left with dusty old dogma and interpretations of a 2000+ year old text meant to control people more than guide them. Bueno suerte with that....
Just to be clear, most of the hostility is toward the institution of the Roman Catholic Church, which is rightfully deserving of hostility for its long history of atrocities, pillaging, and host of other unholy behavior that continues well into the 21st Century.
As for the Catholics themselves, many are good people, including some members of the clergy. Francis is right on the money when it comes to problems of poverty, war, and the environment. However, it doesn't excuse the clergy sex abuse or other problems the Church has caused over the years. And you can't say the Catholics are uptight about drinking and partying. They have that vice down in spades.
If the Church allowed its clergy to have open and normal sexual relations, that should help mitigate the problem of perverts and deviants hiding behind the collar and buggering little boys.
Letter of His Holiness Pope Francis
To the People of God
“If one member suffers, all suffer together with it” (1 Cor 12:26). These words of Saint Paul forcefully echo in my heart as I acknowledge once more the suffering endured by many minors due to sexual abuse, the abuse of power and the abuse of conscience perpetrated by a significant number of clerics and consecrated persons. Crimes that inflict deep wounds of pain and powerlessness, primarily among the victims, but also in their family members and in the larger community of believers and nonbelievers alike. Looking back to the past, no effort to beg pardon and to seek to repair the harm done will ever be sufficient. Looking ahead to the future, no effort must be spared to create a culture able to prevent such situations from happening, but also to prevent the possibility of their being covered up and perpetuated. The pain of the victims and their families is also our pain, and so it is urgent that we once more reaffirm our commitment to ensure the protection of minors and of vulnerable adults.
1. If one member suffers…
In recent days, a report was made public which detailed the experiences of at least a thousand survivors, victims of sexual abuse, the abuse of power and of conscience at the hands of priests over a period of approximately seventy years. Even though it can be said that most of these cases belong to the past, nonetheless as time goes on we have come to know the pain of many of the victims. We have realized that these wounds never disappear and that they require us forcefully to condemn these atrocities and join forces in uprooting this culture of death; these wounds never go away. The heart-wrenching pain of these victims, which cries out to heaven, was long ignored, kept quiet or silenced. But their outcry was more powerful than all the measures meant to silence it, or sought even to resolve it by decisions that increased its gravity by falling into complicity. The Lord heard that cry and once again showed us on which side he stands. Mary’s song is not mistaken and continues quietly to echo throughout history. For the Lord remembers the promise he made to our fathers: “he has scattered the proud in their conceit; he has cast down the mighty from their thrones and lifted up the lowly; he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent away empty” (Lk 1:51-53). We feel shame when we realize that our style of life has denied, and continues to deny, the words we recite.
With shame and repentance, we acknowledge as an ecclesial community that we were not where we should have been, that we did not act in a timely manner, realizing the magnitude and the gravity of the damage done to so many lives. We showed no care for the little ones; we abandoned them. I make my own the words of the then Cardinal Ratzinger when, during the Way of the Cross composed for Good Friday 2005, he identified with the cry of pain of so many victims and exclaimed: “How much filth there is in the Church, and even among those who, in the priesthood, ought to belong entirely to [Christ]! How much pride, how much self-complacency! Christ’s betrayal by his disciples, their unworthy reception of his body and blood, is certainly the greatest suffering endured by the Redeemer; it pierces his heart. We can only call to him from the depths of our hearts: Kyrie eleison – Lord, save us! (cf. Mt 8:25)” (Ninth Station).
2. … all suffer together with it
The extent and the gravity of all that has happened requires coming to grips with this reality in a comprehensive and communal way. While it is important and necessary on every journey of conversion to acknowledge the truth of what has happened, in itself this is not enough. Today we are challenged as the People of God to take on the pain of our brothers and sisters wounded in their flesh and in their spirit. If, in the past, the response was one of omission, today we want solidarity, in the deepest and most challenging sense, to become our way of forging present and future history. And this in an environment where conflicts, tensions and above all the victims of every type of abuse can encounter an outstretched hand to protect them and rescue them from their pain (cf. Evangelii Gaudium, 228). Such solidarity demands that we in turn condemn whatever endangers the integrity of any person. A solidarity that summons us to fight all forms of corruption, especially spiritual corruption. The latter is “a comfortable and self-satisfied form of blindness. Everything then appears acceptable: deception, slander, egotism and other subtle forms of self-centeredness, for ‘even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light’ (2 Cor 11:14)” (Gaudete et Exsultate, 165). Saint Paul’s exhortation to suffer with those who suffer is the best antidote against all our attempts to repeat the words of Cain: “Am I my brother's keeper?” (Gen 4:9).
I am conscious of the effort and work being carried out in various parts of the world to come up with the necessary means to ensure the safety and protection of the integrity of children and of vulnerable adults, as well as implementing zero tolerance and ways of making all those who perpetrate or cover up these crimes accountable. We have delayed in applying these actions and sanctions that are so necessary, yet I am confident that they will help to guarantee a greater culture of care in the present and future.
Together with those efforts, every one of the baptized should feel involved in the ecclesial and social change that we so greatly need. This change calls for a personal and communal conversion that makes us see things as the Lord does. For as Saint John Paul II liked to say: “If we have truly started out anew from the contemplation of Christ, we must learn to see him especially in the faces of those with whom he wished to be identified” (Novo Millennio Ineunte, 49). To see things as the Lord does, to be where the Lord wants us to be, to experience a conversion of heart in his presence. To do so, prayer and penance will help. I invite the entire holy faithful People of God to a penitential exercise of prayer and fasting, following the Lord’s command.[1] This can awaken our conscience and arouse our solidarity and commitment to a culture of care that says “never again” to every form of abuse.
It is impossible to think of a conversion of our activity as a Church that does not include the active participation of all the members of God’s People. Indeed, whenever we have tried to replace, or silence, or ignore, or reduce the People of God to small elites, we end up creating communities, projects, theological approaches, spiritualities and structures without roots, without memory, without faces, without bodies and ultimately, without lives.[2] This is clearly seen in a peculiar way of understanding the Church’s authority, one common in many communities where sexual abuse and the abuse of power and conscience have occurred. Such is the case with clericalism, an approach that “not only nullifies the character of Christians, but also tends to diminish and undervalue the baptismal grace that the Holy Spirit has placed in the heart of our people”.[3] Clericalism, whether fostered by priests themselves or by lay persons, leads to an excision in the ecclesial body that supports and helps to perpetuate many of the evils that we are condemning today. To say “no” to abuse is to say an emphatic “no” to all forms of clericalism.
It is always helpful to remember that “in salvation history, the Lord saved one people. We are never completely ourselves unless we belong to a people. That is why no one is saved alone, as an isolated individual. Rather, God draws us to himself, taking into account the complex fabric of interpersonal relationships present in the human community. God wanted to enter into the life and history of a people” (Gaudete et Exsultate, 6). Consequently, the only way that we have to respond to this evil that has darkened so many lives is to experience it as a task regarding all of us as the People of God. This awareness of being part of a people and a shared history will enable us to acknowledge our past sins and mistakes with a penitential openness that can allow us to be renewed from within. Without the active participation of all the Church’s members, everything being done to uproot the culture of abuse in our communities will not be successful in generating the necessary dynamics for sound and realistic change. The penitential dimension of fasting and prayer will help us as God’s People to come before the Lord and our wounded brothers and sisters as sinners imploring forgiveness and the grace of shame and conversion. In this way, we will come up with actions that can generate resources attuned to the Gospel. For “whenever we make the effort to return to the source and to recover the original freshness of the Gospel, new avenues arise, new paths of creativity open up, with different forms of expression, more eloquent signs and words with new meaning for today’s world” (Evangelii Gaudium, 11).
It is essential that we, as a Church, be able to acknowledge and condemn, with sorrow and shame, the atrocities perpetrated by consecrated persons, clerics, and all those entrusted with the mission of watching over and caring for those most vulnerable. Let us beg forgiveness for our own sins and the sins of others. An awareness of sin helps us to acknowledge the errors, the crimes and the wounds caused in the past and allows us, in the present, to be more open and committed along a journey of renewed conversion.
Likewise, penance and prayer will help us to open our eyes and our hearts to other people’s sufferings and to overcome the thirst for power and possessions that are so often the root of those evils. May fasting and prayer open our ears to the hushed pain felt by children, young people and the disabled. A fasting that can make us hunger and thirst for justice and impel us to walk in the truth, supporting all the judicial measures that may be necessary. A fasting that shakes us up and leads us to be committed in truth and charity with all men and women of good will, and with society in general, to combatting all forms of the abuse of power, sexual abuse and the abuse of conscience.
In this way, we can show clearly our calling to be “a sign and instrument of communion with God and of the unity of the entire human race” (Lumen Gentium, 1).
“If one member suffers, all suffer together with it”, said Saint Paul. By an attitude of prayer and penance, we will become attuned as individuals and as a community to this exhortation, so that we may grow in the gift of compassion, in justice, prevention and reparation. Mary chose to stand at the foot of her Son’s cross. She did so unhesitatingly, standing firmly by Jesus’ side. In this way, she reveals the way she lived her entire life. When we experience the desolation caused by these ecclesial wounds, we will do well, with Mary, “to insist more upon prayer”, seeking to grow all the more in love and fidelity to the Church (SAINT IGNATIUS OF LOYOLA, Spiritual Exercises, 319). She, the first of the disciples, teaches all of us as disciples how we are to halt before the sufferings of the innocent, without excuses or cowardice. To look to Mary is to discover the model of a true follower of Christ.
May the Holy Spirit grant us the grace of conversion and the interior anointing needed to express before these crimes of abuse our compunction and our resolve courageously to combat them.
Caught an interesting Easter movie this year I had never seen before -
The Shoes Of The Fisherman
Anthony Quinn reluctantly accepts his election as Pope in 1968, becoming the 1st non Italian to hold that title in 400 years, and yadda yadda yadda fast forward to the end where he proposes draining all the Vatican's vast wealth to stop an epidemic and feed starving Chinese. That's how it ends. You never see if it happens or not. Food for thought, literally.
>>>> I'm just trying to make the point that there's a unique cultural polarization happening right now that in some way, shape or form impacts every institution in our society, if you surgically removed the current scandal from the discussion for the sake of exploring a hypothetical, there would still be an open hostility towards the Catholic Church amplified by our political climate.
for the dumber members of our audience: you're just a bunch of haters
"The religious organizations that operated the schools — the Anglican Church of Canada, Presbyterian Church in Canada, United Church of Canada, Jesuits of English Canada and some Catholic groups — in 2015 expressed regret for the “well-documented” abuses. The Catholic Church has never offered an official apology, something that Trudeau and others have repeatedly called for."
Somewhat off topic, this is an interesting documentary.
CAESAR'S MESSIAH: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus
Seven of today's most controversial Bible scholars reveal their shocking conclusions about the origins of Christianity. Based on the best-selling religious studies book by Joseph Atwill, this documentary shows that Jesus is not a historical figure, the events of Jesus' life were based on a Roman military campaign, his supposed second coming refers to a historical event that already occurred, the teachings of Christ came from the ancient pagan mystery schools, and the Gospels were written by a family of Caesars and their supporters, who left us documents to prove it.
>If the Church allowed its clergy to have open and normal sexual relations, that should help mitigate the problem of perverts and deviants hiding behind the collar and buggering little boys.
Nope. Similar rates of child sexual abuse are found at institutions where there is little accountability - when pedophiles have easy access to children, when the ones in positions of power are free to abuse their powers and those at the top are more interested in protecting the institutions rather than protecting the children.
Happens at the same frequency in the Boy Scouts, Sports, Schools, Juvenile Detention centers, Foster care, etc. Sadly there appears to be about 4-6% of the population who are pedophiles, and the only way to prevent the abuse is to REPORT it and have them arrested. The rates do go down in institutions when these pedophiles know they might get caught and face consequences.
All too often, like has been done in the Catholic Church for years, the offenders are protected at the expense of protecting the children. This allowed the abuses to continue for years.
The fact is that when institutions provide oversight, the rates of abuse go down. The Church never did that, and is only barely starting to hold offenders accountable. They don't seem to involve law enforcement and still want to deal with it "in house" which is an enormous mistake, and the main reason most people are down on the Catholic Church.
Normalizing the abuse and protecting the offenders with the goal of protecting the institution allows the abuses to continue.
Granted, more children were abused by Catholic Priests than Boy Scout leaders, but the ratios, according to the science, is similar. So no, child sexual abuse not related to the Church's celibacy rules, according to the research.
“We are grateful for the courage of the survivors who have come forward. Because of them, our own understandings of the long-term effects of sexual misconduct have expanded and deepened,” she added. “We agree with the survivors who are calling upon women religious to keep working for the healing of victims and the prevention of further abuse.”
The Vatican's wall of silence was first broken in Women Church World, a supplement of the official Vatican daily, L'Osservatore Romano. An article in the February issue by editor Lucetta Scaraffia — a history professor, mother and feminist — blamed abuse of women and minors on the clerical culture of the all-powerful priesthood. The piece was based on hundreds of stories she heard from nuns.
Nuns may not have been diddling little boys like the priests do, but they sure are mean and would beat up kids at the school I went too. I am still scared of them.
That sucks. No educator should be allowed to hit a child. It's still legal in 19 States. The beatings happen in PUBLIC SCHOOLS as wells as Catholic schools.
Totally fucked up, and this style of 'discipline' is ripe for abuse.
>School corporal punishment is currently legal in 19 states, and over 160,000 children in these states are subject to corporal punishment in schools each year. Given that the use of school corporal punishment is heavily concentrated in Southern states, and that the federal government has not included corporal punishment in its recent initiatives about improving school discipline, public knowledge of this issue is limited. The aim of this policy report is to fill the gap in knowledge about school corporal punishment by describing the prevalence and geographic dispersion of corporal punishment in U.S. public schools and by assessing the extent to which schools disproportionately apply corporal punishment to children who are Black, to boys, and to children with disabilities.
Actually Lumber, you're making my point for me, this worn-out tactic of utilizing religious bigotry whenever cornered in a political debate is the rather transparent practice of scumbags who can't find another move on the chessboard. Have a nice day.
Criticizing the Catholic Church for its role in enabling centuries of sexual abuse by priests is not anti-religious bigotry. Your continued insistence that it is is nothing but a defense for the church's action. Continue to defend these pedophiles if you wish, but do not hide behind a false claim of religious bigotry.
Surprise, surprise, more pedophile priests named...
More than 40 priests serving the Catholic Diocese of Sacramento were credibly accused of sexually abusing roughly 130 victims in the past 70 years, according to records kept by the church and obtained by The Sacramento Bee.
Lumber, the only people you may possibly be fooling are those that aren't familiar with your tactic, for their benefit allow me to elaborate...for many months Lumber has been "all-in" with the Russia mythology, at or about the time I started a thread in regards to Garcia's Catholicism he began the practice of playing the bigotry card the dozens of times he was cornered in a political debate due to the disintegration of his bankrupt theories. We would basically be discussing any number of developments in the Russia hoax and when we'd finally arrive at a "checkmate" moment, he would "out of the blue" accuse me of "defending the abuse of children" based on my being Catholic, it should go without saying that I've never defended the abuse of children, that's a horrific thing to say about anyone.
Knotesau basically thought he would join in on the fun hence this thread. I understand this is a frustrating time to be on the wrong side of the Russia scam, if anyone feels the need to falsely accuse me of defending the abuse of children by defending my faith by all means continue this transparent attack.
Defending your faith is one thing. That's not what you are doing here. You are trying to bury the the conversation about priests diddling children by putting under the religious bigotry umbrella. Lame
Gee thanks Bry, That really helps me understand why you want to bury the the conversation about priests diddling children by putting under the religious bigotry umbrella.
Brayin', my disgust with the Catholic Church is unrelated to my opinion of Trump. Just as my disgust with your defense of the church is unrelated to your defense of Trump.
The Catholic Church is complicit in the rape of thousands of children. It's been going on for centuries. Defend the Church if you like, but stop the false claim of anti Catholic bigotry.
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>>>>> I never once....
>>>>> I never once.....defended anyone that has molested children, I have on many occasions, and will continue, to defend the Catholic Church.
Thar's some OxyMoronic shit right there.
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So...in the absence of the current scandal, you people wouldn't be bashing the Catholic Church, is that correct? I find that a bit of a stretch. Also, I never once "defended Catholic priests who molest", I have however defended the Catholic Church my whole life and will continue to do so, there's a difference, and by the way, anti-Catholic bigotry certainly predates any current scandal for those of you who aren't old enough to know differently, it's the last socially acceptable form of bigotry in our culture.
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Father Riely............how
Father Riely............how did I taste?
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Bashing implies innocence.
Bashing implies innocence. None of that here. The Church has been a force for evil more than good for nearly 2000 years. This is just its latest assault on humans.
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This is no current scandal.
This is no current scandal. It's been going on since the beginnings of the church.
But sure let's pretend for a min that there was never a history of sexual abuse and cover up by the Catholic Church. I would simply dismiss the Catholic Church along with every other religion as I do now.
How do you feel about Scientology?
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Manipulation of an entire
Manipulation of an entire institution for the benefit of a few evil entitled scumbags.
Sound familiar ?
The republican party learned their Sunday school lessons well.
Fuck all devious manipulators --
Jesus Is Just Alright
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Pigpen advocated sleeping
Pigpen advocated sleeping with underaged girls and groping women but all the serious biographers say that he was a sensitive guy.
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Last week here in NYC they
Last week here in NYC they named 120 priests and brothers in yet another scandal
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>>> it's the last socially
>>> it's the last socially acceptable form of bigotry in our culture.
Really? How myopic are you?
The Catholic Church, from the top down, has made a point of protecting the abusers. It has been happening from the Vatican to the Bishops. For that, the Church itself deserves any criticism it gets. The current Pope has stopped short of making the big moves to end it.
On the day in, day out, religion as a whole brings more joy, peace and solace than it does pain, war and hardship, the Catholic Church included. I have no problem with that. However, sexual abuse of children and nuns, by priests, and the subsequent cover-ups must stop.
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I like your Christ. I do not
I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
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"it's the last socially acceptable form of bigotry in our culture."
Google it
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You didn’t even read the full
You didn’t even read the full blog post that comes up first on Google. You just cherry picked the line that suits your needs.
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So...in the absence of the
id still be bashing the catholic church for sure. they have been pushing an ideology of bigotry and sexual repression for thousands of years because it says so in the magic sky man book, and on a global scale are disguising their attempts at indoctrination and colonialism as charity. like are you fucking serious dude? the catholic church? lolz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mother_Teresa
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These sicko priests and nuns
These sicko priests and nuns need to be exposed and prosecuted. It's the catholic church that protects them.
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its obvious that its a part
its obvious that its a part of the institution itself...
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So how was church on Sunday
So how was church on Sunday "Bryen"?
Did you pray for the thousands of children raped by catholic priests?
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Why are Catholic priests
Why are Catholic priests pussy for pussy?
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It's a free country, if you choose to flaunt your unabashed hatred of the Catholic Church as some twisted badge of honor you'll certainly find plenty of like-minded kinship on this message board and within certain elements of our society. I would put forth the suggestion that your angst is perhaps not limited to the current scandal, but rather a deeply entrenched bigotry against the institution, please correct me if I'm mistaken.
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>>> but rather a deeply entrenched bigotry against the institution <<<
Who the fuck wants to live in an institution?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYItTxqTc38
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how come there aren't tons of
how come there aren't tons of Buddhist monks or other branches of Christianity with this issue, or on the same scale?
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Sorry, I have a problem with
Sorry, I have a problem with ANY institution that would repeatedly and
systematically cover up, for decades, the rape and abuse of thousands of children,
who will likely have to deal with the consequences for the rest of their lives.
You clearly have zero problem with it.
That's nice.
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>>>>how come there aren't
>>>>how come there aren't tons of Buddhist monks or other branches of Christianity with this issue, or on the same scale?
Uhh, the Catholic clergy's vow of celibacy tends to weed out folks with normal sexual lives and instead attracts pervs and creeps?
In addition to protecting child molesters, the Church has also attracted more than its fair share of sadists over the years too.
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oh yeah, that little
oh yeah, that little "inquisition" thing...
you down with the crusades as well b?
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Apart from certain schools in
Apart from certain schools in Japan and Tibet, most who choose to practice Buddhism as ordained monks and nuns, also choose to live in celibacy. Sex is seen as a serious monastic transgression. ... In the case of monasticism, abstaining completely from sex is seen as a necessity in order to reach enlightenment.
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As a practicing Catholic I would like to go on record as being opposed to the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades were a clash of civilizations, that's a pretty vast topic, there are some interesting documentaries about the Knights Templar.
https://youtu.be/ngYegtYNWdA
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It's a free country, if
youre pretty much right IMO. if you are dumb enough to subscribe to and support a bigoted and repressive institution, i can of course treat them with kindness and respect as a complex individual with different experiences and different perspectives, and a fellow human being, but i cannot respect or acknowledge the intelligence of people who genuinely believe this stuff. i dont really feel this way about people who believe in the bible as a flawed mystical allegory, or just go to church out of family tradition, but folks who honestly believe the bible is the word of god and all that stuff is true, and the folks who participate in serious missionary work/global indoctrination - i just cant respect that, sorry. id never support anything that would punish people for their beliefs, or restrict their freedom to participate in whatever they want, but i 100% believe that people who genuinely believe the bible is the word of god are not intelligent enough to have any kind of input on the way we run our country.
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You're entitled to your opinion Larry, I disagree.
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Why doesnt the catholic
Why doesnt the catholic church release the names and kick these pedophiles out of the church, bry?
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It seems like an "elephant in the room" dynamic to our current polarized society is the notion of whether or not one can really be a card-carrying member of "The Resistance" and not have an open hostility towards the Catholic Church, few would actually mention that, but if we're having an honest discussion about 2019 America, there seemingly is some aspect of truth to the current reality in some way, shape or form, to deny that it impacts the cultural climate is somewhat disingenuous.
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"Why doesn't the catholic church release the names and kick these pedophiles out of the church, bry?"
I'm pretty sure they're working on that Greg
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^ sorry Bryen, but the
^ sorry Bryen, but the Catholic church has covered up and attempted to conceal crimes against humanity that it engaged in going back decades.
Pope Francis is no different than the rest of them.
I have family that are devout Catholics and I think they're crazy
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...as a "for instance",
...as a "for instance", these guys have probably not attended mass lately, I could be mistaken, I'm not saying that to pass judgment, I'm just hypothesizing that it may be a dynamic to our current climate
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What do those signs say?
What do those signs say?
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Bryen how do you know your
Bryen how do you know your priest didn't diddle kids? How do you know he's not still doing it?
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Greg, when did you stop beating your wife?
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Im not married you shit stain
Im not married you shit stain.
However, your priest diddles kids and youre cool with it.
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so anti-fascists are bad
so anti-fascists are bad because they may not be catholic?
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I'm just trying to make the point that there's a unique cultural polarization happening right now that in some way, shape or form impacts every institution in our society, if you surgically removed the current scandal from the discussion for the sake of exploring a hypothetical, there would still be an open hostility towards the Catholic Church amplified by our political climate.
I'll leave it there at the moment, carpe diem gentlemen, it's a beautiful albeit imperfect world in which we live, we're all fortunate to be here.
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>>>>>>these guys have
>>>>>>these guys have probably not attended mass lately
Not since they heard about the cover up of the pedophile priests working the mass.
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>>>>if you surgically removed
>>>>if you surgically removed the current scandal from the discussion for the sake of exploring a hypothetical, there would still be an open hostility towards the Catholic Church amplified by our political climate.
This just seems like a lame attempt to change the conversation so you don't have to talk about the vile religious leaders who like abusing children.
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YES with all politics removed
YES with all politics removed you're simply left with dusty old dogma and interpretations of a 2000+ year old text meant to control people more than guide them. Bueno suerte with that....
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>>>>open hostility towards
>>>>open hostility towards the Catholic Church
Just to be clear, most of the hostility is toward the institution of the Roman Catholic Church, which is rightfully deserving of hostility for its long history of atrocities, pillaging, and host of other unholy behavior that continues well into the 21st Century.
As for the Catholics themselves, many are good people, including some members of the clergy. Francis is right on the money when it comes to problems of poverty, war, and the environment. However, it doesn't excuse the clergy sex abuse or other problems the Church has caused over the years. And you can't say the Catholics are uptight about drinking and partying. They have that vice down in spades.
If the Church allowed its clergy to have open and normal sexual relations, that should help mitigate the problem of perverts and deviants hiding behind the collar and buggering little boys.
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so, its like corporate
so, its like corporate america...
you fuck up, you get an exit package.
if you're a priest you get to go to a tropical 3rd world country with a fresh supply of little boys.
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I always liked Thomas Merton.
I always liked Thomas Merton.
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Papal Auditorium at the Vatican.
Are you fucking kidding me?
And don't even get me started on the sculpture on stage there.
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Noodler loves posting
Noodler loves posting suggestive images on here. I wonder what weird shit is stashed in that lonesome little miner's shack.
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Letter of His Holiness Pope
Letter of His Holiness Pope Francis
To the People of God
“If one member suffers, all suffer together with it” (1 Cor 12:26). These words of Saint Paul forcefully echo in my heart as I acknowledge once more the suffering endured by many minors due to sexual abuse, the abuse of power and the abuse of conscience perpetrated by a significant number of clerics and consecrated persons. Crimes that inflict deep wounds of pain and powerlessness, primarily among the victims, but also in their family members and in the larger community of believers and nonbelievers alike. Looking back to the past, no effort to beg pardon and to seek to repair the harm done will ever be sufficient. Looking ahead to the future, no effort must be spared to create a culture able to prevent such situations from happening, but also to prevent the possibility of their being covered up and perpetuated. The pain of the victims and their families is also our pain, and so it is urgent that we once more reaffirm our commitment to ensure the protection of minors and of vulnerable adults.
1. If one member suffers…
In recent days, a report was made public which detailed the experiences of at least a thousand survivors, victims of sexual abuse, the abuse of power and of conscience at the hands of priests over a period of approximately seventy years. Even though it can be said that most of these cases belong to the past, nonetheless as time goes on we have come to know the pain of many of the victims. We have realized that these wounds never disappear and that they require us forcefully to condemn these atrocities and join forces in uprooting this culture of death; these wounds never go away. The heart-wrenching pain of these victims, which cries out to heaven, was long ignored, kept quiet or silenced. But their outcry was more powerful than all the measures meant to silence it, or sought even to resolve it by decisions that increased its gravity by falling into complicity. The Lord heard that cry and once again showed us on which side he stands. Mary’s song is not mistaken and continues quietly to echo throughout history. For the Lord remembers the promise he made to our fathers: “he has scattered the proud in their conceit; he has cast down the mighty from their thrones and lifted up the lowly; he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent away empty” (Lk 1:51-53). We feel shame when we realize that our style of life has denied, and continues to deny, the words we recite.
With shame and repentance, we acknowledge as an ecclesial community that we were not where we should have been, that we did not act in a timely manner, realizing the magnitude and the gravity of the damage done to so many lives. We showed no care for the little ones; we abandoned them. I make my own the words of the then Cardinal Ratzinger when, during the Way of the Cross composed for Good Friday 2005, he identified with the cry of pain of so many victims and exclaimed: “How much filth there is in the Church, and even among those who, in the priesthood, ought to belong entirely to [Christ]! How much pride, how much self-complacency! Christ’s betrayal by his disciples, their unworthy reception of his body and blood, is certainly the greatest suffering endured by the Redeemer; it pierces his heart. We can only call to him from the depths of our hearts: Kyrie eleison – Lord, save us! (cf. Mt 8:25)” (Ninth Station).
2. … all suffer together with it
The extent and the gravity of all that has happened requires coming to grips with this reality in a comprehensive and communal way. While it is important and necessary on every journey of conversion to acknowledge the truth of what has happened, in itself this is not enough. Today we are challenged as the People of God to take on the pain of our brothers and sisters wounded in their flesh and in their spirit. If, in the past, the response was one of omission, today we want solidarity, in the deepest and most challenging sense, to become our way of forging present and future history. And this in an environment where conflicts, tensions and above all the victims of every type of abuse can encounter an outstretched hand to protect them and rescue them from their pain (cf. Evangelii Gaudium, 228). Such solidarity demands that we in turn condemn whatever endangers the integrity of any person. A solidarity that summons us to fight all forms of corruption, especially spiritual corruption. The latter is “a comfortable and self-satisfied form of blindness. Everything then appears acceptable: deception, slander, egotism and other subtle forms of self-centeredness, for ‘even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light’ (2 Cor 11:14)” (Gaudete et Exsultate, 165). Saint Paul’s exhortation to suffer with those who suffer is the best antidote against all our attempts to repeat the words of Cain: “Am I my brother's keeper?” (Gen 4:9).
I am conscious of the effort and work being carried out in various parts of the world to come up with the necessary means to ensure the safety and protection of the integrity of children and of vulnerable adults, as well as implementing zero tolerance and ways of making all those who perpetrate or cover up these crimes accountable. We have delayed in applying these actions and sanctions that are so necessary, yet I am confident that they will help to guarantee a greater culture of care in the present and future.
Together with those efforts, every one of the baptized should feel involved in the ecclesial and social change that we so greatly need. This change calls for a personal and communal conversion that makes us see things as the Lord does. For as Saint John Paul II liked to say: “If we have truly started out anew from the contemplation of Christ, we must learn to see him especially in the faces of those with whom he wished to be identified” (Novo Millennio Ineunte, 49). To see things as the Lord does, to be where the Lord wants us to be, to experience a conversion of heart in his presence. To do so, prayer and penance will help. I invite the entire holy faithful People of God to a penitential exercise of prayer and fasting, following the Lord’s command.[1] This can awaken our conscience and arouse our solidarity and commitment to a culture of care that says “never again” to every form of abuse.
It is impossible to think of a conversion of our activity as a Church that does not include the active participation of all the members of God’s People. Indeed, whenever we have tried to replace, or silence, or ignore, or reduce the People of God to small elites, we end up creating communities, projects, theological approaches, spiritualities and structures without roots, without memory, without faces, without bodies and ultimately, without lives.[2] This is clearly seen in a peculiar way of understanding the Church’s authority, one common in many communities where sexual abuse and the abuse of power and conscience have occurred. Such is the case with clericalism, an approach that “not only nullifies the character of Christians, but also tends to diminish and undervalue the baptismal grace that the Holy Spirit has placed in the heart of our people”.[3] Clericalism, whether fostered by priests themselves or by lay persons, leads to an excision in the ecclesial body that supports and helps to perpetuate many of the evils that we are condemning today. To say “no” to abuse is to say an emphatic “no” to all forms of clericalism.
It is always helpful to remember that “in salvation history, the Lord saved one people. We are never completely ourselves unless we belong to a people. That is why no one is saved alone, as an isolated individual. Rather, God draws us to himself, taking into account the complex fabric of interpersonal relationships present in the human community. God wanted to enter into the life and history of a people” (Gaudete et Exsultate, 6). Consequently, the only way that we have to respond to this evil that has darkened so many lives is to experience it as a task regarding all of us as the People of God. This awareness of being part of a people and a shared history will enable us to acknowledge our past sins and mistakes with a penitential openness that can allow us to be renewed from within. Without the active participation of all the Church’s members, everything being done to uproot the culture of abuse in our communities will not be successful in generating the necessary dynamics for sound and realistic change. The penitential dimension of fasting and prayer will help us as God’s People to come before the Lord and our wounded brothers and sisters as sinners imploring forgiveness and the grace of shame and conversion. In this way, we will come up with actions that can generate resources attuned to the Gospel. For “whenever we make the effort to return to the source and to recover the original freshness of the Gospel, new avenues arise, new paths of creativity open up, with different forms of expression, more eloquent signs and words with new meaning for today’s world” (Evangelii Gaudium, 11).
It is essential that we, as a Church, be able to acknowledge and condemn, with sorrow and shame, the atrocities perpetrated by consecrated persons, clerics, and all those entrusted with the mission of watching over and caring for those most vulnerable. Let us beg forgiveness for our own sins and the sins of others. An awareness of sin helps us to acknowledge the errors, the crimes and the wounds caused in the past and allows us, in the present, to be more open and committed along a journey of renewed conversion.
Likewise, penance and prayer will help us to open our eyes and our hearts to other people’s sufferings and to overcome the thirst for power and possessions that are so often the root of those evils. May fasting and prayer open our ears to the hushed pain felt by children, young people and the disabled. A fasting that can make us hunger and thirst for justice and impel us to walk in the truth, supporting all the judicial measures that may be necessary. A fasting that shakes us up and leads us to be committed in truth and charity with all men and women of good will, and with society in general, to combatting all forms of the abuse of power, sexual abuse and the abuse of conscience.
In this way, we can show clearly our calling to be “a sign and instrument of communion with God and of the unity of the entire human race” (Lumen Gentium, 1).
“If one member suffers, all suffer together with it”, said Saint Paul. By an attitude of prayer and penance, we will become attuned as individuals and as a community to this exhortation, so that we may grow in the gift of compassion, in justice, prevention and reparation. Mary chose to stand at the foot of her Son’s cross. She did so unhesitatingly, standing firmly by Jesus’ side. In this way, she reveals the way she lived her entire life. When we experience the desolation caused by these ecclesial wounds, we will do well, with Mary, “to insist more upon prayer”, seeking to grow all the more in love and fidelity to the Church (SAINT IGNATIUS OF LOYOLA, Spiritual Exercises, 319). She, the first of the disciples, teaches all of us as disciples how we are to halt before the sufferings of the innocent, without excuses or cowardice. To look to Mary is to discover the model of a true follower of Christ.
May the Holy Spirit grant us the grace of conversion and the interior anointing needed to express before these crimes of abuse our compunction and our resolve courageously to combat them.
FRANCIS
Vatican City, 20 August 2018
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Caught an interesting Easter
Caught an interesting Easter movie this year I had never seen before -
The Shoes Of The Fisherman
Anthony Quinn reluctantly accepts his election as Pope in 1968, becoming the 1st non Italian to hold that title in 400 years, and yadda yadda yadda fast forward to the end where he proposes draining all the Vatican's vast wealth to stop an epidemic and feed starving Chinese. That's how it ends. You never see if it happens or not. Food for thought, literally.
Good flick.
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>>>>>vast wealth to stop an
>>>>>vast wealth to stop an epidemic and feed starving
Are there any wealthy liberals who could do this? How much money do they need?
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>>>> I'm just trying to
>>>> I'm just trying to make the point that there's a unique cultural polarization happening right now that in some way, shape or form impacts every institution in our society, if you surgically removed the current scandal from the discussion for the sake of exploring a hypothetical, there would still be an open hostility towards the Catholic Church amplified by our political climate.
for the dumber members of our audience: you're just a bunch of haters
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Your points are pointless bry
Your points are pointless bry.
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Thousands of Canada’s
Thousands of Canada’s indigenous children died in church-run boarding schools. Where are they buried?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/thousands-of-canadas-i...
"The religious organizations that operated the schools — the Anglican Church of Canada, Presbyterian Church in Canada, United Church of Canada, Jesuits of English Canada and some Catholic groups — in 2015 expressed regret for the “well-documented” abuses. The Catholic Church has never offered an official apology, something that Trudeau and others have repeatedly called for."
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then there is "father" serra
then there is "father" serra and his subjugation of california's indigenous population...slave labor for jesus.
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https://aptnnews.ca/2015/06
https://aptnnews.ca/2015/06/02/canada-guilty-cultural-genocide-indigenou...
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don't they make priests like
don't they make priests like Daniel berrigan anymore?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Berrigan
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This is the priest that
This is the priest that presided over my brother's wedding in '93.
Priest’s sex assault in New Fairfield reverberates over decades
https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Priest-s-sex-assault-in-New-Fairfie...
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Dont forget Phil - Berrigan
Dont forget brother Phil -
Berrigan
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Somewhat off topic, this is
Somewhat off topic, this is an interesting documentary.
CAESAR'S MESSIAH: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus
Seven of today's most controversial Bible scholars reveal their shocking conclusions about the origins of Christianity. Based on the best-selling religious studies book by Joseph Atwill, this documentary shows that Jesus is not a historical figure, the events of Jesus' life were based on a Roman military campaign, his supposed second coming refers to a historical event that already occurred, the teachings of Christ came from the ancient pagan mystery schools, and the Gospels were written by a family of Caesars and their supporters, who left us documents to prove it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmEScIUcvz0
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>If the Church allowed its
>If the Church allowed its clergy to have open and normal sexual relations, that should help mitigate the problem of perverts and deviants hiding behind the collar and buggering little boys.
Nope. Similar rates of child sexual abuse are found at institutions where there is little accountability - when pedophiles have easy access to children, when the ones in positions of power are free to abuse their powers and those at the top are more interested in protecting the institutions rather than protecting the children.
Happens at the same frequency in the Boy Scouts, Sports, Schools, Juvenile Detention centers, Foster care, etc. Sadly there appears to be about 4-6% of the population who are pedophiles, and the only way to prevent the abuse is to REPORT it and have them arrested. The rates do go down in institutions when these pedophiles know they might get caught and face consequences.
All too often, like has been done in the Catholic Church for years, the offenders are protected at the expense of protecting the children. This allowed the abuses to continue for years.
The fact is that when institutions provide oversight, the rates of abuse go down. The Church never did that, and is only barely starting to hold offenders accountable. They don't seem to involve law enforcement and still want to deal with it "in house" which is an enormous mistake, and the main reason most people are down on the Catholic Church.
Normalizing the abuse and protecting the offenders with the goal of protecting the institution allows the abuses to continue.
Granted, more children were abused by Catholic Priests than Boy Scout leaders, but the ratios, according to the science, is similar. So no, child sexual abuse not related to the Church's celibacy rules, according to the research.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/24/us/boy-scouts-sexual-abuse-allegations/in...
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/do-the-right-thing/201808/separa...
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Allowing women in the clergy
Allowing women in the clergy would lessen the rates too since the large majority of abusers are men
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Dont forget that recent
Dont forget that recent report about Nuns abusing their younger sisters all over the world.
But Id agree the large majority are men.
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It's a fact that most
It's a fact that most sexual predators are men. A total of SIX pedophile Nuns were identified.
So yeah, the Catholic Church has a history of protecting abusers - pedophile Priests and those handful of pedophile Nuns too.
Nuns getting abused by men in the clergy is also coming to light.
The Catholic Church is a goddamn cesspool of abuse, way too much silence and complicity. It does seem like that's beginning to change albeit slowly.
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/18/703067602/after-years-of-abuse-by-priests...
“We are grateful for the courage of the survivors who have come forward. Because of them, our own understandings of the long-term effects of sexual misconduct have expanded and deepened,” she added. “We agree with the survivors who are calling upon women religious to keep working for the healing of victims and the prevention of further abuse.”
The Vatican's wall of silence was first broken in Women Church World, a supplement of the official Vatican daily, L'Osservatore Romano. An article in the February issue by editor Lucetta Scaraffia — a history professor, mother and feminist — blamed abuse of women and minors on the clerical culture of the all-powerful priesthood. The piece was based on hundreds of stories she heard from nuns.
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Nuns may not have been
Nuns may not have been diddling little boys like the priests do, but they sure are mean and would beat up kids at the school I went too. I am still scared of them.
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If nuns can hit kids, priests
If nuns can hit kids, priests can hit kids?
I was punished by nuns. Mostly one nun from Ireland.
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That sucks. No educator
That sucks. No educator should be allowed to hit a child. It's still legal in 19 States. The beatings happen in PUBLIC SCHOOLS as wells as Catholic schools.
Totally fucked up, and this style of 'discipline' is ripe for abuse.
>School corporal punishment is currently legal in 19 states, and over 160,000 children in these states are subject to corporal punishment in schools each year. Given that the use of school corporal punishment is heavily concentrated in Southern states, and that the federal government has not included corporal punishment in its recent initiatives about improving school discipline, public knowledge of this issue is limited. The aim of this policy report is to fill the gap in knowledge about school corporal punishment by describing the prevalence and geographic dispersion of corporal punishment in U.S. public schools and by assessing the extent to which schools disproportionately apply corporal punishment to children who are Black, to boys, and to children with disabilities.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5766273/
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>>>>open hostility towards
>>>>open hostility towards the Catholic Church <<
Well earned.
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>I've been thinking for a few
>Bryen on Tuesday, April 30, 2019 – 01:08 am
I've been thinking for a few days how to respond...one thought would be to let it die it's own...but I thought maybe I should address it. <
Well, that didn't go well.
To paraphrase an old expression...
Better to remain silent and be thought of as a defender of pedophiles than to address it and remove all doubt.
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Actually Lumber, you're making my point for me, this worn-out tactic of utilizing religious bigotry whenever cornered in a political debate is the rather transparent practice of scumbags who can't find another move on the chessboard. Have a nice day.
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Lol. Even when I agree with
Lol. Even when I agree with Nancy, she has to push that she is ::more:: right.
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There you go again, Brayin'.
There you go again, Brayin'.
I'll try to explain it one more time for you.
Criticizing the Catholic Church for its role in enabling centuries of sexual abuse by priests is not anti-religious bigotry. Your continued insistence that it is is nothing but a defense for the church's action. Continue to defend these pedophiles if you wish, but do not hide behind a false claim of religious bigotry.
Surprise, surprise, more pedophile priests named...
More than 40 priests serving the Catholic Diocese of Sacramento were credibly accused of sexually abusing roughly 130 victims in the past 70 years, according to records kept by the church and obtained by The Sacramento Bee.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article229815334.html
You should read the Mueller report
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Lumber, the only people you may possibly be fooling are those that aren't familiar with your tactic, for their benefit allow me to elaborate...for many months Lumber has been "all-in" with the Russia mythology, at or about the time I started a thread in regards to Garcia's Catholicism he began the practice of playing the bigotry card the dozens of times he was cornered in a political debate due to the disintegration of his bankrupt theories. We would basically be discussing any number of developments in the Russia hoax and when we'd finally arrive at a "checkmate" moment, he would "out of the blue" accuse me of "defending the abuse of children" based on my being Catholic, it should go without saying that I've never defended the abuse of children, that's a horrific thing to say about anyone.
Knotesau basically thought he would join in on the fun hence this thread. I understand this is a frustrating time to be on the wrong side of the Russia scam, if anyone feels the need to falsely accuse me of defending the abuse of children by defending my faith by all means continue this transparent attack.
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Defending your faith is one
Defending your faith is one thing. That's not what you are doing here. You are trying to bury the the conversation about priests diddling children by putting under the religious bigotry umbrella. Lame
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Sunlite, I would refer you to the letter from Pope Francis that I posted, please read it.
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Gee thanks Bry, That really
Gee thanks Bry, That really helps me understand why you want to bury the the conversation about priests diddling children by putting under the religious bigotry umbrella.
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In the context of how the false accusation of my defending the abuse has been utilized, yes it's a bigoted tactic.
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Brayin', my disgust with the
Brayin', my disgust with the Catholic Church is unrelated to my opinion of Trump. Just as my disgust with your defense of the church is unrelated to your defense of Trump.
The Catholic Church is complicit in the rape of thousands of children. It's been going on for centuries. Defend the Church if you like, but stop the false claim of anti Catholic bigotry.
Read the Mueller report.
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My disgust with you would be difficult to exaggerate, enjoy the day.
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God damn this dude has gotten
God damn this dude has gotten up in your domes. Good stuff, keep it coming.
>> Read the Mueller report.
Lol!
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Bry you're sarcasm cant be
Bry you're sarcasm cant be confused with sincerity.