Get over it. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that there's something wrong with it. Always whining about thread content, yet you always post in them. Why are you unable to skip over all these threads if you don't like them? That's on you.
Social contract: the voluntary agreement among individuals by which, according to any of various theories, as of Hobbes, Locke, or Rousseau, organized society is brought into being and invested with the right to secure mutual protection and welfare or to regulate the relations among its members.
ATLANTA (AP) — Americans who have benefited from the Affordable Care Act are feeling some relief at the failure of Republican efforts to repeal it, but they face new anxieties with President Donald Trump tweeting that “ObamaCare will explode.”
Premiums have risen and major insurers have backed out of the state markets where people can buy insurance online under Obama’s signature health care law. But people who say it saved their lives or helped them start a business want lawmakers to fix these problems, not encourage them.
“It does need its fixes, I totally see that,” said Inge Hafkemeyer, 57, who credits the law’s subsidies for containing her costs as her home-based event-planning business took off in Mission, Kansas, a Kansas City suburb. “But if your roof leaks, you don’t burn down the house to fix it.”
Clare Schexnyder, 49, is convinced she’s alive today because of it. As a small business owner in Decatur, Georgia, she couldn’t afford health insurance until the rollout in 2013. She began getting mammograms, and her breast cancer was spotted in time. Her double mastectomy and reconstruction surgery was priced at $250,000, but she paid no more than her $6,200 annual deductible.
Then, her daughter spent a week in the hospital after her appendix burst, costing them another $6,200. They took out a second mortgage to pay the bills.
“An appendectomy shouldn’t have to make me refinance my house,” she said. “It’s still not a perfect system by any means, but I’m glad we have it.”
Schexnyder’s insurer pulled out of the Affordable Care Act last year, leaving fewer alternatives in Georgia, one of the states that refused to set up insurance exchanges or participate in Medicaid expansion.
But she objects to tweets like this one Trump sent on Saturday: “ObamaCare will explode and we will all get together and piece together a great healthcare plan for THE PEOPLE. Do not worry.”
“They’re setting it up to fail, which is irresponsible and unforgiveable,” Schexnyder said.
Shannon Henson, a 49-year-old unemployed conference planner in the Kansas City suburb of Independence, Missouri, said the Affordable Care Act has been a good starting point.
“It wasn’t going to be perfect from the get-go,” she said.
Republican promises to repeal and replace the law foundered on Friday when House Speaker Paul Ryan abruptly pulled the party’s health care bill to avoid almost certain defeat.
“We’re going to be living with Obamacare for the foreseeable future,” Ryan, R-Wis., told reporters.
The law has covered more than 20 million people who were previously uninsured through private insurance sold on the law’s marketplaces and by expanding Medicaid, the health program designed to help poor Americans. It required insurers to cover “essential” services, including mammograms, and barred them from refusing policies to the very sick or others with pre-existing health conditions.
But premiums jumped by double digits this year as the cost of medical care and prescription drugs continues to soar, and the marketplaces created by the law are short on the healthy consumers who make insurance companies profitable. In about one-third of U.S. counties, consumers in the individual markets don’t have a choice of plans.
Mina Viladas, 53, of Fairfield, Connecticut, said she was covered under the Affordable Care Act when she needed emergency surgery. But the self-employed fitness trainer said the insurance plans are getting more expensive.
“The Democrats need to work on improving it, with the Republicans, if possible,” she said. “But I’m happy it’s still where it is because it’s saved me.”
___
Thanawala reported from San Mateo, Calif. Associated Press writers Pat Eaton-Robb in Bridgeport, Conn. and Jim Suhr in Kansas City contributed to this report.
>> organized society is brought into being and invested with the right to secure mutual protection and welfare or to regulate the relations among its members.
No one is stopping you from starting a co-op or group health plan of your own. You already have that right.
You are trying to conscript people into an involuntary program, don't confuse that with gaining rights.
Some of this has to be laid at the greedy feet of the Insurance companies. Bloated charges etc. I do not mind my taxes going to support the less fortunate in our country. But thats just me. Go Bernman.
Some of this has to be laid at the greedy feet of the Insurance companies.<<< I always wonder why Insurance companies exist since they do nothing directly for the health of a patient...
Seems the life/health of each U.S. citizen is a profit center. Make it illegal to profit from a citizens health. Educate people on the food they eat. Of course that might ruffle some elite feathers.
CEO's & the rest of managements compensation is the part of the reason for high costs in healthcare.
Along with actually covering increased services provided since large previously uninsured population was very, very sick and in need of lots of services that weren't previously covered such as sleep clinics, diabetes & high blood pressure clinics, drug & alcohol treatment and mental health. These area's would have seen huge layoffs at all clinics under Trumpcare that are now busy as shit.
Every other country we compete with financially around the world guarantees healthcare to there people but not us! USA!
Republicans believes that Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security taxes shouldn't be paid by there constituents and want them removed from the federal budget ASAP!
- A Kaiser Family Foundation report published in May found that about 1 in 5 counties will be down to one insurance provider, and that 70 percent of one-provider counties are rural.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jon jonnyjonjon
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 12:36 am
geezus christ....
geezus christ....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 08:19 am
Yet another thread that rubs
Yet another thread that rubs Jonny's pussy raw?
Get over it. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that there's something wrong with it. Always whining about thread content, yet you always post in them. Why are you unable to skip over all these threads if you don't like them? That's on you.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ... Voodoo Chile
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 08:39 am
amen
...amen
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic (Bluestnote)
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 09:45 am
Ize can haz bitchfest?
Ize can haz bitchfest?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 09:50 am
Can you boyz back off of
Can you boyz back off of Jonny and share your opinion of Oakster's thread topic.
I don't see Bernie pulling this one out. Maybe you guys think it will happen.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jon jonnyjonjon
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 10:11 am
lol....
lol....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jon jonnyjonjon
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 10:23 am
its not the politics per se.
its not the politics per se. its the blind idealism, and the severe lack of reckoning what is real that baffles my brain...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: aiq aiq
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 10:53 am
https://truecostblog.com/2009
https://truecostblog.com/2009/08/09/countries-with-universal-healthcare-...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ________ Heybrochacho
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 11:02 am
I vote for free stuff
I vote for free stuff
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jon jonnyjonjon
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 11:08 am
nothing is free bro chach...
nothing is free bro chach...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ________ Heybrochacho
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 11:10 am
I vote for other people to
I vote for other people to pay for my stuff
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jon jonnyjonjon
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 11:21 am
now your talkin!!!!!!
now your talkin!!!!!!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: aiq aiq
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 11:23 am
Social contract: the
Social contract: the voluntary agreement among individuals by which, according to any of various theories, as of Hobbes, Locke, or Rousseau, organized society is brought into being and invested with the right to secure mutual protection and welfare or to regulate the relations among its members.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jon jonnyjonjon
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 11:23 am
but its not going to work out
but its not going to work out like you want,,,....
they will own you, and demand you "do things".....
but i know you like to party...... right??
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 11:23 am
Enticing investment
Enticing investment opportunity or altruism.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Oaksterdam Dan Nugstradamus
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 11:42 am
Why a Staggering Number of
Why a Staggering Number of White Working-Class Americans Are Succumbing to 'Deaths of Despair'
A pair of pioneering Princeton researchers makes sense of a growing epidemic.
By Sarah Lazare / AlterNet March 24, 2017
http://www.alternet.org/economy/why-staggering-number-white-working-clas...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 12:02 pm
>>they will own you, and
>>they will own you, and demand you "do things".....
As long as people buy into the fallacy that single payer is equivalent to the Supreme Soviet, it will never happen.
It's healthcare, not gulags and assigned professions.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 12:10 pm
Who controls healthcare and
Who controls healthcare and insurance?
Are they in it for money?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 12:16 pm
Not me. Yes.
Not me. Yes.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 12:27 pm
Who are the winners right now
Who are the winners right now? What would they lose if it became affordable for everyone?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 12:28 pm
Not me. Yes.
Not me. Yes.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Oaksterdam Dan Nugstradamus
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 12:31 pm
Get profits out of healthcare
Get profits out of healthcare it kills people!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Oaksterdam Dan Nugstradamus
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 12:34 pm
New anxieties as Trump says
New anxieties as Trump says Obamacare will ‘explode’
By MICHAEL WARREN and SUDHIN THANAWALA, AP
https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2017/03/26/new-anxieties-as-tr...
ATLANTA (AP) — Americans who have benefited from the Affordable Care Act are feeling some relief at the failure of Republican efforts to repeal it, but they face new anxieties with President Donald Trump tweeting that “ObamaCare will explode.”
Premiums have risen and major insurers have backed out of the state markets where people can buy insurance online under Obama’s signature health care law. But people who say it saved their lives or helped them start a business want lawmakers to fix these problems, not encourage them.
“It does need its fixes, I totally see that,” said Inge Hafkemeyer, 57, who credits the law’s subsidies for containing her costs as her home-based event-planning business took off in Mission, Kansas, a Kansas City suburb. “But if your roof leaks, you don’t burn down the house to fix it.”
Clare Schexnyder, 49, is convinced she’s alive today because of it. As a small business owner in Decatur, Georgia, she couldn’t afford health insurance until the rollout in 2013. She began getting mammograms, and her breast cancer was spotted in time. Her double mastectomy and reconstruction surgery was priced at $250,000, but she paid no more than her $6,200 annual deductible.
Then, her daughter spent a week in the hospital after her appendix burst, costing them another $6,200. They took out a second mortgage to pay the bills.
“An appendectomy shouldn’t have to make me refinance my house,” she said. “It’s still not a perfect system by any means, but I’m glad we have it.”
Schexnyder’s insurer pulled out of the Affordable Care Act last year, leaving fewer alternatives in Georgia, one of the states that refused to set up insurance exchanges or participate in Medicaid expansion.
But she objects to tweets like this one Trump sent on Saturday: “ObamaCare will explode and we will all get together and piece together a great healthcare plan for THE PEOPLE. Do not worry.”
“They’re setting it up to fail, which is irresponsible and unforgiveable,” Schexnyder said.
Shannon Henson, a 49-year-old unemployed conference planner in the Kansas City suburb of Independence, Missouri, said the Affordable Care Act has been a good starting point.
“It wasn’t going to be perfect from the get-go,” she said.
Republican promises to repeal and replace the law foundered on Friday when House Speaker Paul Ryan abruptly pulled the party’s health care bill to avoid almost certain defeat.
“We’re going to be living with Obamacare for the foreseeable future,” Ryan, R-Wis., told reporters.
The law has covered more than 20 million people who were previously uninsured through private insurance sold on the law’s marketplaces and by expanding Medicaid, the health program designed to help poor Americans. It required insurers to cover “essential” services, including mammograms, and barred them from refusing policies to the very sick or others with pre-existing health conditions.
But premiums jumped by double digits this year as the cost of medical care and prescription drugs continues to soar, and the marketplaces created by the law are short on the healthy consumers who make insurance companies profitable. In about one-third of U.S. counties, consumers in the individual markets don’t have a choice of plans.
Mina Viladas, 53, of Fairfield, Connecticut, said she was covered under the Affordable Care Act when she needed emergency surgery. But the self-employed fitness trainer said the insurance plans are getting more expensive.
“The Democrats need to work on improving it, with the Republicans, if possible,” she said. “But I’m happy it’s still where it is because it’s saved me.”
___
Thanawala reported from San Mateo, Calif. Associated Press writers Pat Eaton-Robb in Bridgeport, Conn. and Jim Suhr in Kansas City contributed to this report.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 12:37 pm
How many politicians make
How many politicians make money from investments in the overpriced healthcare and health insurance industry?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 12:41 pm
Including the money from PACs
Including the money from PACs and lobbies? A lot of them.
What's more important to the politicians, money or staying in their power positions?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ender
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 12:45 pm
>> organized society is
>> organized society is brought into being and invested with the right to secure mutual protection and welfare or to regulate the relations among its members.
No one is stopping you from starting a co-op or group health plan of your own. You already have that right.
You are trying to conscript people into an involuntary program, don't confuse that with gaining rights.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ender
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 12:46 pm
>> How many politicians make
>> How many politicians make money from investments in the overpriced healthcare and health insurance industry?
Everyone that has a balanced investment portfolio does.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 12:49 pm
Elections are for
Elections are for millionaires. Replace one with another.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack Turtle
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 12:50 pm
other people pay?
other people pay?
you mean like when they already pay higher costs and premiums due to the fact that the system is fucked and people w. no resources show up at the ER?
you already subsidize shit.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Fly Fly
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 12:58 pm
Some of this has to be laid
Some of this has to be laid at the greedy feet of the Insurance companies. Bloated charges etc. I do not mind my taxes going to support the less fortunate in our country. But thats just me. Go Bernman.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: BBGD4fun NealC
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 03:11 pm
Some of this has to be laid
Some of this has to be laid at the greedy feet of the Insurance companies.<<< I always wonder why Insurance companies exist since they do nothing directly for the health of a patient...
Seems the life/health of each U.S. citizen is a profit center. Make it illegal to profit from a citizens health. Educate people on the food they eat. Of course that might ruffle some elite feathers.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Oaksterdam Dan Nugstradamus
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 03:25 pm
CEO's & the rest of
CEO's & the rest of managements compensation is the part of the reason for high costs in healthcare.
Along with actually covering increased services provided since large previously uninsured population was very, very sick and in need of lots of services that weren't previously covered such as sleep clinics, diabetes & high blood pressure clinics, drug & alcohol treatment and mental health. These area's would have seen huge layoffs at all clinics under Trumpcare that are now busy as shit.
Every other country we compete with financially around the world guarantees healthcare to there people but not us! USA!
Republicans believes that Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security taxes shouldn't be paid by there constituents and want them removed from the federal budget ASAP!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Oaksterdam Dan Nugstradamus
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 03:31 pm
Insurance companies pulling
Insurance companies pulling out of markets..
- A Kaiser Family Foundation report published in May found that about 1 in 5 counties will be down to one insurance provider, and that 70 percent of one-provider counties are rural.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 03:34 pm
Oakster, can you run in your
Oakster, can you run in your district and win?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water infinite ignorance
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 03:40 pm
>>> No one is stopping you
>>> No one is stopping you from starting a co-op or group health plan of your own. You already have that right.
Both the rich and poor have the right to not have health care.
Or food.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Oaksterdam Dan Nugstradamus
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 06:05 pm
Slacker the valley went Trump
Slacker the valley went Trump but if Oakland still no because I follow a drug band!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 06:29 pm
Like Senator Franken?
Like Senator Franken?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Oaksterdam Dan Nugstradamus
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 07:57 pm
Slack, my political skeletons
Slack, my political skeletons from the closet would need to be housed a very large storage facility.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ltk173 Hank Moody
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 08:19 pm
Try running own shop being
Try running own shop being paid only by Medicare, see how it works out.
Until then..........
Being so clueless, is just so cute to watch.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Oaksterdam Dan Nugstradamus
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 08:32 pm
Sounds like an ownership
Sounds like an ownership issue Hank. We ain't all owners in this society.
Not so cute to watch!
Medicare billing fraud ain't what used to be under Obama!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ltk173 Hank Moody
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 08:46 pm
Ok Nugs, whatever your earn,
Ok Nugs, whatever your earn, take a 40% paycut.
Lock thread.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water infinite ignorance
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 08:47 pm
:>>>> Try running own shop
:>>>> Try running own shop being paid only by Medicare, see how it works out.
aww, poor babies who live 100% off the government tit don't have it easy?
WTF?
Are you really complaining that having 100% of your revenue come from the taxpayer is a problem?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ltk173 Hank Moody
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 08:55 pm
infinite ignorance is correct
infinite ignorance is most assuredly a correct name.
Don't talk about what you don't know.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 09:01 pm
Serious?
Serious?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Oaksterdam Dan Nugstradamus
on Sunday, March 26, 2017 – 10:04 pm
^^^^^Don't talk about what
^^^^^Don't talk about what you don't know.
Thanks Bullwinkle!