How is Bernie going to answer these questions in the general election? I'm not trying to be troll just wondering if anyone in the Bernie camps has thought about these things?
Sanders has been on the far left all his life, and the oppo research the GOP throws at him could be brutal. He’s a man, after all, who sided with a Marxist-Leninist party that supported Ayatollah Khomeini during the hostage crisis in 1979. He loved the monstrous dictator Fidel Castro and took his 1988 honeymoon in the Soviet Union, no less, where he openly and publicly criticized his own country and praised many aspects of the Soviet system. He saw the USSR and the USA this way: “Let’s take the strengths of both systems. Let’s learn from each other.” As he was saying this, the Soviet Union was already collapsing. And he paid no visits to dissidents. I think it’s fair to say that he has never met a leftist dictator he hasn’t admired.
weird steve how is that a lie? see this is the issue -- bernie points out differences, facts, and centrists try to rewrite their decades old record. why are you doing this? this is what trump does.
below is biden calling for cutting SS. these are facts are you saying otherwise is insanity.
>> biden has run in 2 previous presidential races -- winning zero primaries. <<
Irrelevant to most.
bernie lost to Hillary in 2016. Is that any less relevant?
You're still in your little Bernie bubble bro.....the GOP and tRump will shred Bernie's high tax approach. Sorry you can't see outside yer bubble, dude.
you must hate living in your bubble state then, as colorado will go bernie. you're from the tri state tho, right? you probably don't fit in out there.
but did you see even good old jersey is feeling the bern.
you're centrist ways will hand the election to trump again, please be open minded. i know it's tough.
you know, at this point, if you think bernie can't win the dem nom, or beat trump, then you are literally living in a bubble and hate the working class movement for whatever reason, combines w/ not paying attention.
shit, even the corporate media, ned, you know, the shit you watch and read all the time that tell you the nonsense you spew here (remember when you were saying bernie was sinking and was done, months ago, over the summer maybe, yeah the corporate media was saying the same exact thing at the same exact time -- come on man) have acknowledged the very real possibility of winning and the electability of bernie.
I did say he was sinking at that time, because he was at the time.Plus, he was in the hospital recovering from a heart attack. And, I probably took the opportunity to take a dig at your sorry ass. Ice>Wind.
Yes, Bernie can win the nomination. And yes, he can still be shredded for his high tax platform. His high tax platform makes him vulnerable to the middle (Centrists!! LOL) who decide every election.
You rejected my attempt for you to look at other peoples' POVs. You came back with "Bernie IS the other POV...". Sure, I get what you mean, but you're ignoring what I said. Not everyone is placing their vote for the same reason you are. If you can't accept that I don't know why I wasting time responding to you.
As long as everyone who dislikes Trump, and I mean everyone, goes to the polls and votes for the Democrat, then we’re good.
If that Democrat is Bernie on the ballot, AWESOME! If it’s Biden or Pete or Warren or Klobuchar, AWESOME! As long as we all pull that lever. Bernie would be great. He needs to win that nomination. Bernie is my man, but I’m not Bernie or Bust. My emotions and hopes don’t get in the way of my tactics when it comes to this country’s future. We just need to get Donald out. We want Bernie? We need to get him the nomination. If he doesn’t get it, we’re still on the Blue Train.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg isn’t getting any younger. The Supreme Court matters. This is not a fire drill, my friends.
ned, of course not everybody is voting for the reason i am. no shit man. same is said about you, voting for the status quo -- which has undoubtedly lead us to trump -- from both sides.
not only did i reject other POVs, by which you mean centrist, establishment dem POVs -- which we've tried, every time, most recently in 2016 w/ HRC's historic loss to trump, but so did the electorate in 2016, as a whole. why? b/c the fake populist won, even tho most people voted for the corporate dem -- her platform was rejected.
which is why the dem platform we all now speak about is bernie's.
bernie's platform has dictated all the policy discussion since 2016. have you not noticed?
if you think this is just about beating trump, and not advancing our society as a whole, you are out of touch.
Sometimes you can vote FOR someone. Sometimes you need to vote AGAINST someone. This year is a situation where I simply need to vote against the man who’s there. It’s very simple.
OGKB: Beating Trump now IS step one on the path. NOMINATE BERNIE. If not, anyone who jumps ship and votes Green is going to fuck us. Again... the Supreme Court. Possible wars. I don’t think we have any idea how bad things can get if Donald wins again with what looks like a re-election mandate. That must not be allowed to happen for any reason. The man is dangerous, and even more so because he is fully enabled by the GOP. This is not Mitt Romney or even GW Bush we’re dealing with here. This is different. But we know this, right? If anyone doesn’t know this, THEY are out of touch. We have an emergency on our hands. We can hash out Left vs Centrism in the next election cycle (if there is one) against some cookie cutter Republican. This is not that. This is all hands on deck for a regime change in November, or the Court gets one or two more judges on the bench, and all kinds of other shit is hitting the fan. I’m not waving ANY one candidate’s flag right now. I’m rolling with Team Blue to defeat Team Red. It sound absurdly simple, but that’s what we are faced with.
I know what is happening. I don’t need to pay attention to any media about any candidate. I know I’m voting Blue against Red in November. No one will sway me on that, so the media doesn’t matter to me.
In other words, I vote for The Movement now, in the primaries. This is where we work for what we want the most. After that, by the time of the convention and the general election, you either vote against Trump or you will re-elect him. That’s it.
Absolutely. That is the time. Trust me, I’m on the Bernie train... up to the convention. If he’s not the nominee, I’m back on the Blue train regardless. I need to vote against.
It’s pretty simple what needs to happen. We’re gonna need to be on the same team just to overcome the amount of cheating and hacking our enemy will use to win. The only way around that is sheer numbers. Let’s sort this out now in the primary season.
>>>How is Bernie going to answer these questions in the general election? I'm not trying to be troll just wondering if anyone in the Bernie camps has thought about these things? <<<
Kurt Eichenwald spent two decades as a senior writer at The New York Times, where he was a two-time finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. He is also a two-time winner of the George Polk Award, as well as the winner of the Payne Award for Ethics in Journalism and an Emmy Award nominee.
^does your opinion of these scholars change once bernie wins the nomination and defeats teump in the general?
bernie = most electable.
as turtle has asked before -- why do you try so hard, why do you search for any lies and misinformation seeking to defeat the most progressive and electable candidate in our lifetime?
lol thod you can post all the fear mongering centrist psychobabble you want -- is that the guy that said trump would not leave if defeated? or that the election wouldn't even be held? yeah, that's crazy shit man -- you believe that stuff. wild.
correct bk -- bernie gets the coveted independent vote needed to defeat trump, biden has the senior vote but bernie has the youth vote, the black vote under 35 overwhelmingly -- looking great.
that why when people like ned and co says he's not electable, they're lying.
still no response from ras or weird steve -- weird steve is blatantly lying, just like thod. the links right here in this thread prove that.
but the centrist have resorted to trump tactics, sadly.
INDIANOLA, Iowa — Former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. on Saturday accused Senator Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign of distorting his record on Social Security, claiming without evidence that Mr. Sanders’s team was promoting a “doctored” video, a loaded word in an era of disinformation.
“There is a little doctored video going around,” Mr. Biden said, adding that it was “put out by one of Bernie’s people.”
The remarks, which Mr. Biden made in response to a question about his Social Security stance at a campaign event here Saturday afternoon, marked a departure from his typical oblique swipes at opponents when speaking before voters. The clash, over an issue of great significance to older Iowa voters, seemed to signal an escalation in tensions between the two contenders who are competing for an overlapping slice of blue-collar Iowans here in the leadoff caucus state.
The Sanders campaign has been increasingly critical of Mr. Biden’s broader record on Social Security. At issue on Saturday: The campaign claimed recently that Mr. Biden had praised former House Speaker Paul D. Ryan, Mr. Biden’s 2012 rival for the vice presidency, in support of making cuts to Social Security.
On Jan. 1, a Sanders adviser circulated on Twitter a video clip that captured only a portion of a Biden speech that appeared to promote that argument, without context, though the video did not appear doctored.
On Saturday, Mr. Biden invoked PolitiFact, the fact-checking outlet, which ruled that the Sanders campaign claim was false and lacked context. The PolitiFact ruling did not focus on the video, contrary to Mr. Biden’s suggestion, but it did address the substance of the Biden speech at issue.
“It is simply a lie, that video that’s going around,” Mr. Biden said, adding, “I’m looking for his campaign to come forward and disown it. They haven’t done it yet.”
"Hopefully, sometime soon, rank-and-file Democrat activists and voters will come to their senses and understand that should Sanders win the nomination of his party, the election results will be a resounding victory for Trump. Our country is not the America of 1972, when Richard M. Nixon campaigned against the liberal-leftist Democratic candidate George McGovern, calling him the candidate of “amnesty, abortion and acid.” In that election, only one state, Massachusetts, gave the electoral college vote to McGovern.
Nevertheless, a Sanders nomination would put many states in play that Democrats had easily won for a quarter-century. Sanders is where he is today in part because no one has really attacked him. But just wait until Republicans spend a billion dollars painting him as an extremist. He’d win Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Maryland, Delaware, California, Washington, and Hawaii, and also probably New York and Illinois. But a huge number of usually-blue states would be up for grabs. He would also find that Democratic candidates would run away from him. Many candidates running for governor, the Senate, and the House in purple states and districts would refuse to campaign with him, or at best make a half-hearted quick appearance.
In 1972, the candidate hated most by the left and the liberals, Richard Nixon, became President of the United States. Is that what today’s Trump opponents really want to repeat?"
"And after a Republican wave swept Congress in 1994, Biden’s support for cutting Social Security, and his general advocacy for budget austerity, made him a leading combatant in the centrist-wing battle against the party’s retreating liberals in the 1980s and ’90s."
Ogkb, you're trying to prove that Bernie is "most electable," which is impossible to do. It's all guessing g at this point. The graphic you posted above doesn't show they he gets the coveted Independent vote, and there's no data to prove that the majority of the people want his policies.
You've spent a lot of time trying to prove that he's the best and that the others suck, but very little effort on explaining his policies and how he'd get them passed.
Look man, even though I agree with many of his more radical policies, the ones that you also dig, I know that they'd never make it through Congress. M4A, free public college and student loan forgiveness are a few decades out. As you know, I've been saying for months that if he gets the nomination the Republicans are going to come after him like none other. There's no way to know what the end results of that will be, but it isn't going to be pretty. Then, even if he did win, the Republicans in Congress would treat him like a leper.
Again, none of us know exactly what will happen, but he's not the "most electable," nor would he be the most effective. There are too many known and unknown factors.
So, how about we talk about policy rather than the stupid primary and all those unknowns?
Here is a Washington Post piece that discusses the issue and argues that Biden's past advocacy for freezing (at least for a year) annual cost of living increases for SS benefits and to raise the minimum age for receiving benefits and his willingness to discuss further cuts in benefits might be a political liability for the guy:
It will also be interesting to see if Biden and the establishment roll out that supposed cart load of old "Bernie is a kooky pinko commie" dirt if he starts running away with the primary.
>>> It will also be interesting to see if Biden and the establishment roll out that supposed cart load of old "Bernie is a kooky pinko commie" dirt if he starts running away with the primary. <<<
i don't think so, the issue is earlier in the thread. weird steve was disputing facts.
thod and weird steve are perfect examples of reading a headline they like no matter how false, despite facts saying otherwise, and spreading that misinformation.
many have pointed outs the facts in here, and he is now gone. whatever.
you also were posting the same bs article as him -- so do you believe in facts, thod?
i can tell by just looking at dude's twitter that he fear mongers just like you.
bernies campaign doesn't have to fear monger -- all he has to do is point out the facts, the record, previous votes, it's all there.
now please post your russian asset bs again for us all.
and good, compared to most career politicians, bernies record is clean. which is why he's so popular, trusted, and electable.
btw warren voted for trump's corporate gift of a trade deal last week -- even some centrists voted against it, strange vote for her. but then again she also voted for two of trump's military budgets. justify any way you have to.
all the facts are above -- feel free to read them whenever you'd like to come back to reality.
and thod i'm sorry, i can't refute bernie going on a honeymoon in the 80s. fuck. the campaign has nothing to hide -- unfortunately you're too stupid to see through the nonsense you post.
like i said in the other thread, maybe we should just pick this on 2/11? earliest 2/3?
Yeah, you can't refute it and it's gonna get a lot harder in the days ahead.
Inside Bernie Sanders’s 1988 10-day ‘honeymoon’ in the Soviet Union
May 3, 2019 at 6:00 a.m. EDT
Bernie Sanders was bare-chested, towel-draped, sitting at a table lined with vodka bottles, as he sang “This Land Is Your Land” to his hosts in the Soviet Union in the spring of 1988.
The just-married socialist mayor from Vermont was on what he called “a very strange honeymoon,” an official 10-day visit to the communist country, and he was enthralled with the hospitality and the lessons that could be brought home.
“Let’s take the strengths of both systems,” he said upon completing the trip. “Let’s learn from each other.”
Sanders apologizes to Biden for surrogate's op-ed alleging he has a "big corruption problem"
Des Moines, Iowa — Senator Bernie Sanders apologized to former Vice President Joe Biden on Monday for an op-ed written by one of his campaign surrogates that claimed Biden has a "big corruption problem."
"It is absolutely not my view that Joe is corrupt in any way. And I'm sorry that that op-ed appeared," Sanders told CBS News.
>>>>you can't refute it . . . .Bernie Sanders was bare-chested, towel-draped, sitting at a table lined with vodka bottles, as he sang “This Land Is Your Land” to his hosts in the Soviet Union in the spring of 1988.
If its on tape, can't see Bernie trying to refute it. He will probably quickly admit he did that, make some dry joke, and move back to the more important questions at hand. It might turn off a few old and/or extremely conservative people, but those folks would not vote for him anyway. Still, it is a potential liability going into a general election where every swing state vote counts.
However, reality is that Bernie, although not a perfect candidate, is only one of a small handful of other contenders left standing. In all likelihood, it be him or Biden, Warren, or Mayor Pete. All four have serious issues that the other side can easily and painfully exploit. Biden is out of touch and close to senile, Warren lied about her ethnic heritage and comes across as a nagging librarian, Pete is smug and inexperienced, and Bernie is a crazy old socialist.
But the one thing Bernie has going above the others is honesty and integrity. Doesn't mince words and see what you get. Lord knows that is what attracted a lot of people to Trump (who is obviously not "honest" and has no "intergity" in the traditional sense, but is a no filter, political outsider who doesn't care what people think). Bernie just might be the right person at the right time to win this regardless of his actual political platform or wild nights with Daniel Ortega back in the 1980s.
>>>>>You can watch "Brady Bunch" reruns all day and think that your opinions will change how it works out, but it's already done.
You might be right. Anyway, the primary could be all be wrapped up by Super Tuesday and threads like this will be moot. If not, we might be looking at a contested convention.
This didn't get any coverage the weekend right before the last debate
Sanders camp admits anti-Warren script was deployed in multiple early states
Sanders initially attributed the talking points to rogue staffers, and supporters launched an online campaign to convince people the document was fake.
DES MOINES, Iowa — The controversial talking points attacking Elizabeth Warren that Bernie Sanders' campaign deployed were given to teams in at least two early voting states on Friday, three Sanders campaign officials confirmed.
Volunteers and staffers used the script on Saturday while canvassing for votes, meaning the talking points were more official than what Sanders previously suggested after POLITICO reported on the language.
>>>>Bernie just might be the right person at the right time to win this regardless of his actual political platform or wild nights with Daniel Ortega back in the 1980s.
This is what I was thinking in 2016 (well, I didn't know about any wild nights). Bernie got people excited. If he had been chosen as the Dem's representative in the Presidential race, it would've been populist candidate vs. populist candidate...
i think bernie fucked up -- he caved to the pressure for some reason, bad move imo.
it's a fact biden is corrupt -- we all know this.
his team must make it clear to idiots like yourself the massive differences between the establishment and the working class movement.
bernie lacks that killer instinct that certain scumbags from the establishment have.
so just to be clear -- you're yelling about his honeymoon to russia, and the bernie side is picking out real policy differences between the candidates.
It wasn't just that Bernie made a negative comment (Warren) or endorsed an op-ed against an opponent (Biden), its the way in which they were delivered - full blown republican party playbook filth. Stupid fuck can't get out of his own way. He should be ashamed. He should fold
again, pointing out joe biden's corrupt record is a good thing -- i love how you think trump won't weaponize something as serious as biden's corruption.
trump may even get the popular against biden.
if you get mad at bringing to light bidens horrible record, then you should drop out.
ras -- was your head under a rock for the obama HRC war of 2008?
haha that's all you have? i sound like trump? nah man, ignoring facts like what thod and weird steve have done is trump shit.
again, pointing out bidens record needs to happen. sorry it upsets you.
you sound like a republican by defending establishment dems that have a long history of taking corporate money, passed a bankruptcy bill that made it near impossible for borrowers to reduce their student debt, has taken millions from credit card companies, holds fundraisers hosted by health insurance, fossil fuel, wall st executives.
consistently corrupt. i guess you support that, typical.
This is exactly how I feel about it, directly from your twit link --
Replying to @shaunking and @JoeBiden
Unfollowing you man. We need to be united against Trump not divided amongst each other. You’re doing exactly what they want us to do. It’s pathetic you don’t see that
^ what you talkin bout willis ? They're plainly discussing putting grips. Why you talking all this ancient shit anyway ? Is this what you do all day on the net, look for clues to nothing ?
C'mon bro face it, he gave himself mortal wounds, nobody else. Don't worry my friend we're all here to talk you down from that Bernie ledge.
Are you guys telling me that there's dirty campaigning going on? Well, I never!
Let me throw this out there: anyone who wants to be POTUS, the most powerful person in the world, has a screw loose. They're all going to do some shady shit along the way. Carter is the one exception.
Bernie won't be shredded by GOP for his honeymoon in Russia. LOL
His high tax strategy will. It's debatable whether the GOP would prefer to have Bernie or Biden as the opponent. But, I'd guess they'd prefer to face Bernie.
ned you're very out of touch w/ the political world.
anyway, HRC out w/ the fangs today -- what a miserable person. she won't even commit to endorsing/campaigning for bernie once he secures the dem nom. trash. remember bernie did 40 events for her in 2016.
HRC trashing bernie just makes the movement stronger.
good stuff, centrists. keep melting (ras, ned, thod).
This is only 1988 man, if you don't think the shit they got on him will destroy him...
This is just the start.
Bernie's mystery Soviet tapes revealed
Unseen by the public for three decades, a POLITICO reporter views hours of footage from his 1988 'honeymoon' to the USSR.
Sanders’ opponents, though, will likely find much in the tapes to call outlandish. And in a campaign season in which Democrats are concerned about nothing more than defeating President Donald Trump, there’s plenty of material that Democratic voters might worry the Republican Party could spin into a 30-second negative ad.
Sanders is seen living it up with Russians. There are, naturally, shrines to Lenin everywhere. In one scene, Sanders and his wife, as well as other couples, boogie to live Russian music. “I brought my special dancing shoes!” Sanders exclaims.
Later, he tells a Russian man, “I’m not very happy about this, but there are not many people in the state of Vermont who speak Russian. In fact, one of the things that we want to do is to see if we can develop a Russian studies program in our high school.”
At another point, one of Sanders’ hosts jokingly warns the delegation to not upset the KGB: “Those who don't behave move to Siberia from here."
>> bernie is offering a massive middle class tax break. <<
Yea, that doesn't pass the sniff test. You can't make health-care free for all, erase all student debt, and cut taxes for the middle class. I would expect a tax increase if my benefits increase. Just speak the truth, BernieBros.
Oh, and everyone knows it will never get through congress.
>>>>>Come the convention if bernie is ahead, he'll expect Warren to give him her delegates.. . . BUT if Warren is ahead, bernie will expect her to give him her delegates.
Fair enough compromise. Hope they have that already worked out.
If we cut the military budget by only small fraction, we could wipe out student loan debts, pay for universal health care, and cut taxes for the middle class.
Yes and it is pretty sad when Hillary would rather have four more years of Trump than to swallow her pride and get behind a Bernie candidacy.
>>Bernie is the only person who can beat Trump in rural America aka 97% of US land area is within rural counties Wake up!!
The data doesn't show this. Yesterday ogkb posted a graphic about who gets what numbers. Trump wins pretty readily among non-college educated whites. Only 33% of the entire population has even some college, and that number is lower in rural areas.
What data do you see that says he wins in rural America? I have yet to see anything like it. Sure, he may be the best candidate for rural America, but that does t mean they'll have vote for him.
everybody i know listened to bernie and voted hrc in 2016.
it doesn't matter man, you have posted extreme links for months -- you have nothing other than bernie isn't a dem and he's been to russia whatever. for somebody that was pro bernie in 2016, you sure have a fair amount of hate for the guy -- stuff that only desperate talking heads would peddle. again, you can't think for yourself, b/c all you do is regurgitate corporate media talking points.
never once have you recognized what bernie has done for the democratic party. not that it matters, but it shows your true intentions.
Centrists would not prefer Trump over Biden. Centrists don't want to increase the federal deficit by $40 Trillion over 10 years under Bernie.
Centrists want to beat Trump and they know Biden has the best chance to do that. A majority fo voters do not want a socialist President.
thid none of those are true except bernie stupidity apologizing for speaking the truth. damage done, he already melted your centrist face -- bad move imo. the truth hurts, and your bitch ass obviously can't handle it.
My bubble reference is due to your complete ignorance regarding voter motivations this cycle. Just read through all of these different threads. The majority of voters just want trump out. Period. The aren't buying any 'movement' or revolution'. Most just want trump OUT.
>>> he didn't lie about biden, this is why you apparently miss a lot. <<<
Then why did he apologize turtle?
Sanders apologizes to Biden for supporter's attack
The apology came after several days of back-and-forth between the campaigns over a supporter's op-ed claiming Biden suffers from a "corruption problem."
CHICAGO — Sen. Bernie Sanders apologized Monday night for an op-ed written by a campaign supporter that argued former Vice President Joe Biden “has a big corruption problem.”
In an interview in Iowa with CBS News, Sanders said “it is absolutely not my view that Joe is corrupt in any way. And I'm sorry that that op-ed appeared."
Yea, I'm just trolling the fuck out of you.....it's a message board, not your pulpit. Be prepared for responses, especially when you're wrong, presumptive, arrogant, insulting, and wrong again.
you said <<<>>>C'mon man don't be such a dick. I will engage with you respectfully, but will be a dick right back if that's all you're capable of.<<<>>>
and i pointed out you came in here and immediately started w/ the bs.
most of the country supports M4A, green new deal, federal min wage increase, removing corporate money from politics, free college.
this goes beyond liberal or conservative -- which is why bernie is the best candidate for this race.
he has the most diverse base, majority female, majority latino, broad appeal across the political spectrum, facts. overwhelmingly popular w/ african americans 40 and under, youth vote, independents, the most popular politician in the country, fact -- this is what it takes to defeat trump.
Bernie sanders describes himself as a democratic socialist and says he is not afraid of the word.
Amy Klobuchar or Biden will attract moderate voters and many are afraid of Bernie's ideas and
$40 Trillion in new debt that he espouses.
trump, the most unqualified candidate in modern history, the fake populist, beat your centrists in 2016.
why do you think now. 4 years later, the people that refused to vote for the centrist candidate will suddenly support biden, or (lol) klobuchar, who btw is polling at and has always been polling at around 2-5% ? that's insane.
his appeal towards more moderate/conservatives is that he's doesn't lie. like all the others. his record proves that. you don't think people are so sick and tired of GOP and Dem establishment politicians, that maybe that is part of why trump won in the first place?
what's scary is putting up a corrupt establishment dem against trump. can you say popular and electoral?
>> why do you think now. 4 years later, the people that refused to vote for the centrist candidate will suddenly support biden, or... <<
Answer: Because many in the middle said 'what the heck' to trump, an outsider, self-described swamp-drainer. Many of those voters were tired of the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clintons. Many of those same voters have decided trump is a dumpster fire, and will cast their vote against him.
You have been told the answer to this several times. Maybe you need to smoke a little less weed.
Trump won because his opponent was not popular with too many voters-her unpopularity is why Trump won because to many people
were not motivated to vote at al. That won't happen this year as far more people will go to the polls as in 2018 and defeat Trump.
We are looking for reasonable, pragmatic candidates who will undo Trumps idiotic policies and steer a course to deal with the deficit,
deal with climate change, gun control, environmental degradation, health care and the rule of law.
If you think the top Democratic candidates are corrupt than vote for Bernie and deal with Trump for 4 more years.
and
ned im not saying your answer is entirely incorrect -- everybody gets that. but you must stress the establishment candidate part -- trump holding the presidency isn't enough to motivate people in the absolutely necessary must win states needed to defeat trump.
again, that's lazy thinking and shows the disconnect you have.
i look forward to our discussion once bernie defeats trump.
Being called Socialists by people who curry favor with Communists is better than running Joe Biden and his son who took lobbying money for VP daddy. Trump will beat Biden just like HRC and you all can't see it again. Status quo keeps rich people winning that was true before Trump ran for office that why congress has done nothing for over a decade now for the most part.
My point, Pyramid, is whoever is the Democratic nominee should get your vote. A 6-3, 7-2 conservative majority on the Supreme Court will be a roadblock for the progressive agenda. A 20-30 year roadblock.
So Ned doesn't want any kind of change... just wants trump out. Sounds like you want to get results without puting any work in. Kind of reminds me of Biden's campaign. That ideal wasn't good enough to win last election and it won't be good enough this time. If you want a change then you actually have to work for it and take action. To th r now Bernie is really the only candidate who's outing in that work and seeing the results. Biden's just sitting back like a fat cat thinking he is gonna ice skate to a presidency but it's just not going to happen that way
>>>but you can't deny that the democrats have been their own roadblock for progressive agenda -- which is why we are where we are.
Sorry but Democrats aren't the problem Americans are...
Kevin Drum wrote: The reality of American political life is that 40% of people say they are conservative and 20% say they are liberal. That has held steady going back to 1996 with only minor variations. That means in any given election Republicans only need to attract 10% of independents while liberals have to attract 30% of independents.
It isn’t even close to a level playing field. Liberal politicians have to walk a tight rope of not pissing off their much smaller base while attracting enough moderates and independents to put them over the top. Republicans rarely if ever get punished for being too conservative by their base, and can usually attract a small part of the independents to make them competitive in most races.
That has left us where we are today with two choices - a radicalized “conservative” party and a moderate/conservative party. The only way to change anything is to convince the self identifying conservatives that the new Republican party doesn’t represent them anymore.
>>>Is Kevin Drum ignoring gerrymandering and voter suppression?
No he isn't. It's how Americans self identify. Gerrymandering and voter suppression make the problem of there being more self identifying conservatives than liberals even more of problem. The other problem is that liberals (see young people) don't vote.
None of that changes the fact that Democrats have to attract moderates to win. I wish it weren't so.
yeah because people losing their homes, life savings and becoming homeless because they can't afford to pay unregulated medical fucking bills.
so EVERY modern fucking country in the goddamaned fucking world can pay for health care but somehow we fucking can't?? keep lining pockets of corporations praying on the fucking sick and dying. shameful.
and by this fucking logic, just privatize the military!
they lose zillions of dollars.
deregulation and privatization of public essentials and infrastructure is the fucking goddamned fucking reason that negligent PG&E was able to let their shit go and burn down a whole fucking town. they are also not fixing their lines leaking methane into the fucking atmosphere because why?? they have no fucking monetary fucking incentive to do so.
Damn I can almost see the tears through the screen, need a tissue? you should play the lotto. You have better chances winning the lotto, then Bernie the Messiah saving you.
We will just throw more tax payer money at developers and non profits, while lining the ‘progressive’ politicians of ca pockets. that’ll solve the homeless problem!
We need another tax! That’ll surely make everything ok.
that's one thing centrists don't understand -- bernie can fuck up, and we call him out on it. like if bernie backed away from M4A i would never vote for him. why wouldn't we call him out?
i think the apology was a mistake, idk he's the pro tho. we'll see. strange fact, most of biden's supporters 2nd choice is bernie -- maybe there's a play there. but bernie lied about biden not being corrupt, yes -- b/c facts prove biden is corrupt. whether you choose to believe those facts is on you.
as far as your desperate reach about the warren woman thing -- of course bernie isn't lying -- his record proves that. come
on man. but again, believe what you have to man. of course bernie thinks a woman can become
presdident -- he's been advocating for that for decades. jesus. he ran in 2016 b/c warren wouldn't, he tried to get you girl
warren to run against HRC. what's wrong with you?
he's literally the most liked and popular politician in the country. literally. another fact.
that's one thing centrists don't understand -- bernie can fuck up, and we call him out on it. like if bernie backed away from M4A i would never vote for him. why wouldn't we call him out?
many bernie supporters including myself call him out on his weak drug policy. he supports legalizing cannabis, but not legalizing and regulating other drugs, not even decriminalizing other drugs.
when he has been asked about legalization or decriminalization of all drugs or some drugs beyond cannabis, his response is; "im not there yet", meaning he knows deep down that legalizing drugs is going to happen, should happen, and will be looked back on by future generations as an obviously sorely needed reform, but for whatever reason, he's not ready to grapple with that quite yet.
it could be him showing his politician side a bit, as it may not be a popular opinion in the midst of the opiate crisis.
what i think is much more likely is that he, like many americans from his generation, have lived under the heel of the controlled substances act for so long, that the idea of legalization just seems to alien, that even though on paper its the obvious choice, there is alot of trepidation when approaching the issue.
i guess i can count myself lucky tho...i never would have believed during the bush years that one day id be able to vote for a mainstream political candidate whose biggest differences with my own worldview is that he doesnt want to legalize heroin.
FWIW tulsi gabbard is the only candidate in the race to come out in favor of legalizing and regulating drugs.
> it could be him showing his politician side a bit, as it may not be a popular opinion<
Coming out in favor of decriminalizing all drugs would answer the question of his electability.
>>but that's what they always say. so when do we break the habit of destroying ourselves<
Well, if Trump wins again there will be a chance for real change in about 25 years.
Evangelicals support Trump because they want to outlaw abortion. They will vote for him again because one more conservative justice should do the trick.
Vermont Senator and Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders told Joe Rogan he would legalize marijuana by executive order in a podcast interview gone viral. The host of The Joe Rogan Experience was trending on Twitter on Wednesday thanks to his deep dive into a nuanced discussion about Sanders' policy proposals. But the presidential hopeful's plan to legalize marijuana by executive order is more complicated than it sounds.
Sanders has long supported federal marijuana reform, describing its classification as a Schedule I substance alongside heroin as "insane."
"You can argue the pluses and minuses of marijuana, but marijuana ain’t heroin. So we have to end [marijuana prohibition] and that’s what I will do," Sanders told Rogan. "As President of the United States, I believe we can do that through executive order, and I will do that."
So can the U.S. president really legalize marijuana with the stroke of a pen?
The short answer is: Yes, the president can issue an executive order to remove marijuana from the Controlled Substances Act (CSA). But the process of doing so is a complicated, bureaucratic affair.
"The president would have to use the order to direct his Attorney General to start the process, [and] the Attorney General then makes the request to the Department of Health and Human Services to undergo a review on whether or not the substance belongs on the list of scheduled substances," said Erik Altieri, executive director of National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, a cannabis advocacy group.
"After that review, the department would then report their findings back to the Attorney General who makes the final decision."
Historically, federal agencies like the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the Drug Enforcement Administration have maintained that marijuana belongs in the Schedule I category. But the nation's top law enforcement officer may not necessarily have to follow their guidance.
"[The Attorney General] must have autonomy to nonetheless alter the schedule despite such FDA determination, if 811 is to have any meaning at all," said David Holland, an attorney who was worked on cases challenging marijuana's Schedule I status.
Holland is referring to a federal law – U.S. Code 811 – that gives the Attorney General the power to "remove any drug or other substance from the schedules if he finds that the drug or other substance does not meet the requirements for inclusion in any schedule."
The Attorney General can then start an administrative rulemaking process to remove marijuana from the CSA.
Despite its dysfunction, legalizing marijuana through Congress might be easier than going through the executive branch. There are currently more than 60 marijuana-related bills in Congress now. Given that a majority of states have reformed their cannabis laws, Congress is feeling more pressure than ever to address the federal-state conflict on marijuana. Lawmakers are only getting more friendly to federal reform.
"Possibly more important than seeing the executive process through until the end, if a President Sanders were to make his intentions clear on this topic it would apply additional pressure on Congress to act," said Altieri.
Here is Bernie Sander's voting records on gun control related issues since 1993 sourced from politifact.com
1993
Imposes a five-day waiting period and background checks on firearm purchases, part of the Brady Bill
Nay
Passed
1993
Imposes instant background checks instead for firearm purchases, part of an amendment to Brady Bill
Yea
Passed
1993
Imposes an interim five-day waiting period while while waiting to put a instant background check system in place, part of Brady Bill conference report
Nay
Passed
1994
Bans semi-automatic assault weapons
Yea
Passed
1996
Repeals the semi-automatic weapons ban
Nay
Passed
1998
Increases minimum sentencing for gun crimes
Yea
Passed
1999
Creates "instant check registrants" and narrowly defines "gun shows," part of the Mandatory Gun Show Background Check Act
Nay
Failed
1999
Imposes three day waiting period for guns purchased at gun shows, part of an amendment to the Gun Show Act
Yea
Failed
2002
Allows pilots and flight personnel to carry firearms in the cockpit
Yea
Passed
2003
Prohibits lawsuits against firearm makers for unlawful misuse of a firearm
Yea
Passed
2005
Prohibits lawsuits against firearm makers for unlawful misuse of a firearm
Yea
Passed
2006
Prohibits funds from being used to enforce trigger locks on guns
Nay
Passed
2006
Increases the burden of proof for the AFT to penalize law-breaking gun dealers, as part of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms reform bill
Yea
Passed
2007
Prohibits foreign aid funding restrictions on U.S. gun ownership, as an amendment to the Consolidated Appropriations Act 2008
Yea
Passed
2008
Prevents the use of funds for anti-gun programs as an amendment to the Indian Health Care Improvement Act
Yea
Passed
2009
Gives the District of Columbia seats in the House of Representatives and repeals the district’s ban on semi-automatic weapons
Yea
Passed
2009
Allows the use of firearms in National Parks
Yea
Passed
2009
Allows concealed and carry across state lines
Nay
Failed
2009
Allows firearms in checked baggage on Amtrak trains, as an amendment to the congressional budget
Yea
Passed
2009
Prohibits higher insurance premiums for gun owners, as part of an amendment to the Affordable Care Act
Yea
Passed
2013
Prevents the U.S. from entering the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty, as an amendment to the congressional budget
Nay
Passed
2013
Allows concealed and carry across state lines in states where the practice is not prohibited
Nay
Failed
2013
Lists all people prohibited buying a firearm in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System
Yea
Failed
2013
Bans high-capacity ammunition magazines carrying more than 10 rounds
Yea
Failed
2013
Bans assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines
Yea
Failed
here is a clip from the joe rogan experience going over his current feelings on the matter and plans going forward for gun control - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8rnLBylKOs
sounds like he has a record of opposing gun control regulations that would impact hunters and recreational shooters, and supporting gun control regulation that more tightly restricts or bans things like assult weapons, high capacity magazines and concealed carry. that sounds pretty reasonable to me.
y'all just going on and on in the conversation like "i think bernie voted against this" or "i dont know if he has any plans for that"
you guys realize that underneath this drug band message board lies the total sum of all human knowledge, right? look that shit up, dont speak in maybes and i thinks when the google search bar is right above you.
Did Bernie Sanders vote against background checks and waiting periods for gun purchases?
Our ruling
An attack ad said, "Bernie Sanders voted against the Brady Bill -- background checks and waiting periods."
The Brady bill imposed a five-day waiting period for would-be purchasers of handguns. Between 1991 and 1993, Sanders voted against it five times. He did, however, vote for a version of the bill that imposed instant background checks, and against an amendment that repealed state background checks.
Experts noted Sanders’ votes were representative of Vermont’s gun owners and gun laws. Since the 1990s, his record on gun control is mixed.
We rate the ad’s claim Mostly True.
I'm just saying if you want to hold biden to a 1995 statement.
In all fairness, everybody should get called on their old shit.
the voting record i posted does show he voted against the brady act, thats fine imo...it places a waiting period on legit gun owners who have passed a background check and leaves the gun show loophole open, the voting record also shows him voting yes on much more meaningful gun control legislation.
theres more folks on the left than you might think that support the second amendment.
you're so used to the run of the mill political campaigns aimed at accomplishing nothing other than enriching that person's close circle, that bernie's genuine and honest campaign makes your brain hurt.
the centrists bs republican smears arent working too well this time.
i love how yang is pretty much tied w/ klobuchar, a sitting US senator and recent winner of the nyt editorial board endorsement lol. one that has doomed all centrist candidates going back to gore. nice.
If Bernie wins the primary and loses to Trump can we stop the 'you ran a shitty candidate' nonsense and open up our eyes to the actual state of our country? Or will we come up with another excuse as to why he didn't win?
P-nutz, I was half hoping you'd give your campaigning a break, apparently not. smh
One of the big reasons obama won was because he had that brand new car smell, no baggage.
bernie has 40 years of it.
So does biden
The amount of shit (opo research) they got on bernie will be staggering and it's already starting to drop, but you'll cry lies, centrist are scared, throw up some polls, yadda yadda.
The fact is regardless of the polls the majority of the country don't align themselves with a "socialist".
I'm not scared of the word socialist but a shitload are and republicans will drill baby drill on that all day long.
>>> thod bernie now being the solid front runner <<<
And... that's why he'll be finally vetted by all journalists and media.
Bernie Sanders Once Compared Vermont Workers to Black ‘Slaves’
As the leading member of a self-described “radical political party” in the 1970s, Bernie Sanders repeatedly compared Vermont workers to enslaved black people.
In recent weeks, Sen. Bernie Sanders has criticized his rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination for having too much “baggage” to win the diverse coalition needed to defeat President Donald Trump in November. But as the Vermont independent tops national polls for the first time, newly unearthed baggage from his own decades-long political career could call his own past statements and judgment into question.
As the leading member of a self-described “radical political party” in the 1970s, Sanders repeatedly compared Vermont workers to enslaved black people, according to archival interviews obtained by The Daily Beast. In one 1976 conversation, Sanders told a local newspaper that the sale of a privately held mining company by its founders harkened back to “the days of slavery, when black people were sold to different owners without their consent,” and compared the service economy to chattel slavery.
“Basically, today, Vermont workers remain slaves in many, many ways,” Sanders said in another interview in 1977, in which he compared the burgeoning service industry in the nearly all-white state to the enslavement of black Americans at the nation’s founding. “The problem comes when we end up with an entire state of people trained to wait on other people.”
^My son and I were talking about Sanders' baggage and he believes that it's irrelevant. While I believe that many of Sanders' younger supporters will agree with my son, I am concerned about how older voters will react.
Pyramid, you can dismiss this as msm/Republican talking points, but a majority of the electorate is not young and liberal. These attacks have the potential of being quite damaging. I believe that Sanders should get out in front of this and talk about his past. If done well he might be able to provide context and nuance, explaining how his opinions and policies have been formed. Left to his opponents, Sanders will be painted as the second coming of Lenin.
thod regurgitates everything corporate media talks about everyday. haha it's hilarious.
i love how thod is now listening to donald like he is speaking the truth. crazy shit.
trump is straight up scared of going up against the only true populist in this race, and we all know it. his people know sanders beats them. they're hoping the centrists ruin bernie and prop up biden to lose to trump.
why are you against the working class movement? thod you support a candidate that has zero shot at the dem nom., let a lone beating trump. warren will not win michigan, wisconsin, pa, fl -- you really think she has a shot at winning? her campaign is over.
thod why are you listening to trump's tweets? haha
>> No, not mad, just concerned about the general election. <<
Yup. Heater can't absorb the fact that people outside his well insulated bubble don't think like him. And, if they do, it's because they have been brain-washed by the MSM.
The majority of the electorate has no idea what M4A really is, or whether they want it. Even if they do know, they don't understand what it all means for them. Sure, they want it, but not if taxes go up. Most aren't sophisticated enough to see that the savings come in other areas. The electorate is too easily swayed by rhetoric.
My lord, ogkb, the way you interpret data is nuts. The data you posted above shows how petty Bernie and Yang's supporters are. "If it's not my guy, fuck you!"
The data only shows that the supporters of the candidates more in the center will cast their votes for any nominee. A more fair extrapolation would be that Bernie supporters are willing to give Trump 4 more years because they are butt hurt bitches.
and surf, there's nothing more idiotic than voting for a centrist in the primary and thinking a centrist will beat trump in the general -- after trump defeated the most qualified centrist of all time. so embarrassing, i know.
and the BB thing just shows your lack of knowledge about bernie's base. it's ok, you're old and out of touch. nice and safe.
Pheat- the last chart you posted indicates a little over half of Bernie's supporters would still vote for the Democratic nominee even if it is not Sanders. Just doesn't seem right if we're trying to oust Trump.
Earlier you said you won't vote corporate dem any longer. Still true if Bernie doesn't get the nomination?
I hate to be nihilistic, but it doesn't matter. Trump is going to win again, regardless of who the Dem nominee is. I don't think that any of them beat him in the GE. He hasn't even started campaigning in earnest yet, and that's where he shines.
It's fucking disgusting. Trump has a 42% approval, half the country wants him removed, he has been impeached, and he'll still win. Yay 'Merika!
i'm not sure man. defeating trump will be incredibly difficult -- i don't know that bernie will defeat the guy, i just know bernie gives us the absolute best chance; while a centrist this run, will not only lose to trump again, but potentially lose the popular as well.
I think that Bloomberg has a decent chance. The problem is that he's a Jewish billionaire, which won't play well in middle America. Of course, Bernie is a Jewish Socialist, which also won't play well. Between the two, they hit every anti-Semitic trope out there.
Turts, I'm not saying that I support him, just that he has a chance. He is, without a doubt, the only "anti Trump" candidate running, and his ads are slamming Cheeto.
Trump's only motivations are money and power, and that's what he respects. Bloomberg has more money than God, and he has power and influence. Trump has weak ammo against Bloomberg.
Even Obama knows it's lunacy to nominate Bernie.....
Obama feels Sanders is unfit to battle Trump – and he has told people he might say so publicly
The people who spoke on the condition of anonymity say Obama's preference had always been to lay low through the primaries aside from making some broad comments as he did in November of last year when, according to a report in The New York Times, the former two-term president, best known for expanding the size of government and his eponymous health care mandate, appeared genuinely worried about some of the increasingly leftist proposals being touted on the campaign trail from Sanders, the US senator from Vermont, and to some extent, Elizabeth Warren, the US senator from Massachusetts.
"The average American doesn't think we have to completely tear down the system to remake it," the Times quoted Obama, who was speaking at a gathering of Democratic donors.
Step out, Thom. The people of Delaware pay 87% of your health insurance, and I'm sure you're on the Highmark Comprehensive with no deductibles. You have no idea what health costs do to people. Why? You're already on a government funded Cadillac plan.q
Why doesn't Bloomberg use that money he is spending on campaign ads to instead pay off the outstanding fines owed by convicted felons in Florida which is needed to restore their voting rights?
10.43% of the Florida population is disenfranchised
1,686,318 total Floridians are disenfranchised.
Florida has the most disenfranchised citizens in the United States.
Florida has the highest disenfranchisement rate in the United States.
23.3% of black voters in Florida can’t vote because of felony disenfranchisement.
Of course, people would cry foul and say that Bloomberg is buying the election, but if he has no real chance of getting the nomination, it would seem to be a far better use of his money.
I pay over $1k per month for a plan that will provide a 80/20 co-pay after meeting a $7k deductible. No benefits whatsoever until I cross $7k deductible. It's fucking stupid.
centrists all worked up today, eh ned? remember man, you live in colorado which will go bernie in the primary overwhelmingly, hows it feel living in your centrist bubble out there?
hey look it's thom lol.
omg can you imagine if bloomberg ran against trump. wow. record low turnout, worse than HRC.
how come y'all can't see the excitement bernie creates? bringing new people in who have never voted is what will beat trump. getting people to show up will beat trump. getting the youth to vote will beat trump. only bernie excites those people.
to keep running centrists and losing is crazy. same candidate, same result.
obama was different b/c he ran on progressive policy -- which is why the idiots were saying what thod is saying --"just wait until the genral when mccain starts calling him a socialist".
didn't work out too well for mccain -- obama got people to show up, which is what bernie will do. he'll get the youth to vote -- poll #'s are a glimpse at that. like 43%of college kids supporting bernie, the 2nd best is warren at 21%. that's nuts.
go down the list : black, hispanic, asian, woman, men, even white college students strongly prefer sanders. it's not even close.
i mean, how can you expect working class people to continue to vote for establishment dems when they simply don't give a fuck about anything other than increasing their own worth and that of their corporate masters?
my dad ended up retiring a few years early due to some company drama, and there were a couple years where he had to buy his insurance outright before he could qualify for medicare, and he had about the same kinda payments. he didnt even have a job, and his investment etc income still put him in a bracket that gets no subsidy or discount...i think he was paying $800 a month.
>> how come y'all can't see the excitement bernie creates? bringing new people in who have never voted is what will beat trump. getting people to show up will beat trump. getting the youth to vote will beat trump. only bernie excites those people. <<
^ yea, that's not true, and fuck you for continually insulting me and others here with your condescending bullshit.
I just might end up voting for bernie in the CO primary. I'm fully capable of making my own decision based on my own research etc. Good god you're toxic.
<at least bernie can yell louder then trump and verbally hammer back better than any other dem candidate>
Hahaaaaaaaa yeah, in a crazy old uncle kind'a way.
Bernie and Larry David, a coupl'a Brooklyn Jews seperated at birth. Both totally funny as they're being deadly serious, but Bernie has the more annoying drawl, worse hair, with more made up words and hand gestures
if you think bernie is unelectable, you are not paying attention. that's a fact.
yang is beating two establishment dems in the new national poll -- buttigiege and klobuchar, who the nyt endorsed haha.
a sitting US senator and mayor. and before booker and harris dropped out, he was consistently polling better than 4 establishment dems and 3 sitting US senators. that's incredible.
ras wake up man.
and bernie would absolutely destroy trump in the debates. trump may not even debate bernie, he knows.
but throw biden up there -- trump salivating at the opportunity.
>>>Which is pretty funny coming from the guy who tried to get to single payer via ObamaCare.
Yeah what a crazy fucking idea that would be - personally I love that the US of A is grouped with Sub Saharan African countries and those forward thinking dudes in the Caucuses.
"After nine days of voting, the membership of our union has moved decisively to endorse Senator Bernie Sanders for President of the United States in the 2020 Primary Election. Members from all 17 of our locals, chapters, and associations participated, and Sen. Sanders carried the election with 66% of all ballots cast"
Bernie Sanders’ Embrace of Joe Rogan’s Endorsement Sparks Backlash—and a Backlash to the Backlash
Rogan’s use of gay slurs and position on trans issues incensed some, while others were just happy Sanders might benefit from his fan base.
Bernie Sanders’ embrace of an endorsement by Joe Rogan drew instant criticism from some corners of the transgender community because of the podcast host’s use of gay slurs and position on trans issues.
Like many Twitter-centric controversies, the debate quickly blew up and then became circular, with Bernie foes jumping on the bandwagon—and other Democrats fuming that the uproar was another example of left-wing self-sabotage.
theres plenty of rogan/bernie fans. joes positions on trans people in sports is reasonable, and i could care less about a comedian using slurs. lets get healthcare for all, end the wars, make a serious attempt at climate change...im supposed to care about twitter outrage over one of the biggest media personalities in the world endorsing our best chance at getting that done because he's said 'fag' a few times and thinks people who went thru male puberty and all the hormonal/body changes that go along with it shouldnt be able to beat the shit out of biological women and call it equal competition? get real.
Human Rights Campaign weighing in on Joe Rogan endorsement of Sanders: "The Sanders campaign must reconsider this endorsement and the decision to publicize the views of someone who has consistently attacked and dehumanized marginalized people."
i don't know, she hates bernie more than trump and she said she's not ready to go there yet. then she tried to save face after her centrists friends were criticizing her for those comments. so who knows?
attacking the most honest human running, the one candidate that will work for us, w/ bs smears generated by the establishment, says a lot about you man. keep going.
“You feel like looking Hillary square in the eye and asking, ‘What the hell are you doing?’ ” said one Democrat who has worked on presidential campaigns. “Donald Trump is president. Bernie on a bad day would be better than Trump on his best day. We need to win.”
for fuck sakes bernie, vet your goddamn endorsements before running ads about how great it is.
More stuff on Joe Rogan...
Joe Rogan’s Bernie Endorsement Draws Outrage As Clip Surfaces Comparing Black Neighborhood to ‘Planet of the Apes’
In addition, a clip of a 2013 Rogan podcast has begun to circulate, in which he talks about going to see a “Planet of the Apes” movie in a black neighborhood. He tells his co-hosts that the driver assured him that the film was playing in a “good neighborhood.”
“We get out, we’re giggling, ‘We’re going to go see Planet of the Apes,’ We walk in to Planet of the Apes. We walked into Africa,” Rogan says in the clip.
But the fuller context of the video is no better.
“Dude. We walked in the door, and there was no white people. There was no white people,” Rogan continued, before adding, “Planet of the Apes didn’t take place in Africa, that was a racist thing for me to say.”
“But you see what I’m saying,” Rogan continued, as another man in the video cracked, “Flies automatically stuck to your head.”
Again it's shit like this that will reach more people who pay attention to the msm, than his m4a and green new deal.
Unforced error 3 in 10 days.
One hour ago:
Bernie Sanders criticized for embracing support from Joe Rogan
Sen. Bernie Sanders faced criticism Friday from a leading LGBTQ advocacy group for not disavowing the newly announced support of Joe Rogan, the host of a popular podcast who has made controversial comments about gender, race and sexuality.
Sanders (I-Vt.) promoted Rogan’s support on Twitter a day earlier and a campaign representative said in a Friday statement that “sharing a big tent requires including those who do not share every one of our beliefs.”
The head of the Human Rights Campaign, the nation’s largest LGBTQ advocacy group, issued a statement saying that although Sanders has “run a campaign unabashedly supportive of the rights of LGBTQ people,” Rogan has “attacked transgender people, gay men, women, people of color and countless marginalized groups at every opportunity.”
Please check our updated 2020 election odds tracker from Bovada that shows how the presidential favorites’ chances to win have changed over the past month.
Look, I like many of Bernie's positions; I just don't think he can win. All the insults in the world aren't going to change my mind. If he wins the primaries of course I'll vote for him.
When I heard about Rogan’s endorsement, I immediately replayed his August 6, 2019 episode with Senator Sanders. And then I took another look at the New York Times editorial board interview with the senator from Vermont. The contrast couldn’t be more striking.
One the one side, was a host in tune with the concerns of millions of Americans, who completely understood what Bernie was talking about when he said that corporate interests have too much power and how we needed to organize working people to take them on. On the other side, was an out-of-touch elite, wincing as Sanders described the ills that plague our country and how his movement could help solve them.
Perhaps they didn’t know what he was talking about because they — with their advocacy of disastrous trade deals, their defense of corporate giants, their support of US-led wars — helped bring about this state of affairs. We’ve been failed by our powerful custodians of culture and politics, not by a random comedian who lifts a lot of weights and has a podcast.
If Bernie Sanders has to run away from Joe Rogan’s endorsement, then Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren should have to distance themselves from the New York Times.
thod like many here i don't read your posts too thorough any longer. you've proven yourself to be broken, consumed by establishment hysteria, and not able to think for yourself. not a good look man.
ask yourself why obama didn't support gay marriage until when? and bernie has been fighting for the gay community since forever. yeah. so desperate. such fake outrage. you really are the worst.
and before you call anybody a bernie bro again, just know -- it's designed to dismiss people of color and woman, who make up the majority of bernie's base.
bernie is uniting people like never before -- sorry you choose to be on the outside -- that's your choice.
Iowa’s most influential newspaper made its selection just over a week before the state’s caucuses on Feb. 3, calling Ms. Warren “the best leader for these times.”
Jan. 25, 2020 Updated 7:22 p.m. ET
DES MOINES — The Des Moines Register endorsed Senator Elizabeth Warren for the Democratic presidential nomination on Saturday night, calling her “the best leader for these times.”
The newspaper, Iowa’s largest and most influential, made its selection just over a week before the caucuses on Feb. 3, when Iowans will take part in the first nominating contest of the primary cycle.
bernie is drawing bigger crowds at his rallies in iowa, where he's had to miss a few b/c of the trial, than the other centrists that are in iowa themselves holding rallies.
bernie's overflow rooms are more packed than other candidates full rallies. lol.
and now there's been trump audio leaked from 2017 where trump admits bernie would have beat him in 2016 if the DNC didn't fuck bernie (which we all know)
y'all have attacked me relentlessly, and i'm ok w/ it.
i certainly don't bitch about it.
negative reality? haha is that a term rubin is pushing around for foaming at the mouth centrists to use? my god man. i've only posted facts, and have also fact checked your insane links. lol.
remember, next time you use the term bernie bro, it was designed to dismiss women and people of color, who make up the majority of bernie's base.
^Lmao, Thod. Bernie is leading in every single poll that's come out in the last two weeks. Might just have to get ready to vote for him come November and it will be easier on your stress levels.
>>> remember, next time you use the term bernie bro, it was designed to dismiss women and people of color, who make up the majority of bernie's base. <<<
>>> ^It doesn't matter to anybody lol. Nobody really cares about that at all. <<<
you 2 bro's need to huddle up, you're pissing on each other's legs.
But, If I'm talking to someone who only cares about that 1 vote in the primary no matter at what cost...
no, youre talking to a sanders supporter who listens to almost all of joe's science/politics/philosophy podcasts. i dont believe there is a cost to a rogan endorsement, because i consider him to be a positive force in the world. i like offensive jokes. getting up in arms about rogan is an obvious ploy by corporate dems to subvert the "SJW" philosophy for their own gains, and after years of hearing about these kinds of issues in the mainstream media, corporate dem supporters are eager to fall in line. but the true "SJW" contingent of the party is a loud minority that exists mostly on twitter. most reasonable people realize that bernie is not a sexist and joe rogan is fine.
Tod is just left with poor attempts at trolling now. Zoning steady around a 1.9. He has no real argument. Bernie is leading the primary and the Biden/warrens supporter are just lost in their own bs. What are you trying to hold on to? Come join the movement when you're ready.
>>>Step out, Thom. The people of Delaware pay 87% of your health insurance, and I'm sure you're on the Highmark Comprehensive with no deductibles. You have no idea what health costs do to people. Why? You're already on a government funded Cadillac plan.q<<<>>
<<remember, next time you use the term bernie bro, it was designed to dismiss women and people of color, who make up the majority of bernie's base.
Some progressive activists who declined to back Mr. Sanders have begun traveling with private security after incurring online harassment. Several well-known feminist writers said they had received death threats. A state party chairwoman changed her phone number. A Portland lawyer saw her business rating tumble on an online review site after tussling with Sanders supporters on Twitter.
Other notable targets have included Ady Barkan, a prominent liberal activist with A.L.S. — whom some Sanders-cheering accounts accused of lacking decision-making faculties due to his illness as he prepared to endorse Senator Elizabeth Warren — and Fred Guttenberg, the father of a shooting victim from the 2018 Parkland massacre, who had criticized Mr. Sanders’s statements about gun violence.
“Politics is a contact sport,” said Bakari Sellers, a former South Carolina State legislator who supported Ms. Harris in the Democratic primary. “But you have to be very cognizant when you say anything critical of Bernie online. You might have to put your phone down. There’s going to be a blowback, and it could be sexist, racist and vile.”
In recent days, he said, one man sent a profanity-filled private message on Instagram, calling Mr. Sellers, who is black, an “Uncle Tom” and wishing him brain cancer.
You mean, within the democrats - fueled by Bernie.
"A woman can't be prez" - now boatloads of em will never vote him.
" Bidens corrupt" - so long Biden votes.
Rogan endorsement should have been immediately disavowed. More lost votes.
You feel good seeing Bernie's numbers rise ? Not me, I feel a bit sick to my stomach knowing this is exactly what the repubs want - Bernie the nominee, so trump can pull a Ken's hawk deal on that Bernie socialist chicken. At this point, support for Bernie is support for 4 more years of trump and putin.
Not every Bernie supporter is a Bernie Bro. The ones who aren't able to discuss politics, and only resort to personal attacks, are the Bros. Ogkb isn't one. Timpane is. All he does is put people down for not wanting to "tear it down," but has not once even attempted to make a coherent post about policy.
those people are some of the absolute most bitter, mean spirited people, super divisive centrist hacks in the country.
totally pissed their queen lost to trump, blames bernie lol to this day -- spews more misinformation that thod and ras gobble up like hungry dogs. they're disgusting humans. just like trump.
what's real is how bernie is depicted in the corporate media, the classic anti semite characterizations via cartoons and verbal descriptions of the guy.
Don't get me wromg if the bern man wins it all, I'll happily eat every one of my words. I just have a bad feeling to the contrary, especially since now you have the likes of this president singing Bernie's praise. Did you even view the story I posted ? I sense bad juju, ya know I ain't often right,, but
you mean how trump says he think bernie didn't lie? so what? anybody who's been paying attention even a little bit know bernie didn't say a woman could not become president.
who cares if trump said the truth for once lol. oh that's right, b/c he said bernie we all have to melt, and now trump is rooting for bernie. come on man.
trump knows bernie is an issue -- and is hoping the DNC takes him out -- which is entirely possible still.
he even admitted as much in 2017, what we've been saying all along.
only bernie beats trump.
trump gets the electoral and popular against anybody else.
A warning that should be (but won't be ) heeded......
Bernie Can’t Win
Bernie Sanders is a fragile candidate. He has never fought a race in which he had to face serious personal scrutiny. None of his Democratic rivals is subjecting him to such scrutiny in 2020. Hillary Clinton refrained from scrutinizing Sanders in 2016. It did not happen, either, in his many races in Vermont. A Politico profile in 2015 by Michael Kruse argued that Sanders had benefited from “an unwritten compact between Sanders, his supporters, and local reporters who have steered clear” of writing about Sanders’s personal history “rather than risk lectures about the twisted priorities of the press.”
The Trump campaign will not steer clear. It will hit him with everything it’s got. It will depict him as a Communist in the grip of twisted sexual fantasies, a useless career politician who oversaw a culture of sexual harassment in his 2016 campaign. Through 2019, Donald Trump and his proxies hailed Sanders as a true voice of the people, thwarted by the evil machinations of the Hillary Clinton machine. They will not pause for a minute before pivoting in 2020 to attack him as a seething stew of toxic masculinity whose vicious online followers martyred the Democratic Party’s first female presidential nominee…
Trump will terrorize the suburban moderates with the threat that Sanders will confiscate their health insurance and stock holdings, if not their homes. Trump accused Democrats of pro-ayatollah sympathies for noticing that his story about the killing of Qassem Soleimani was full of holes. In 1980, Sanders joined a left-wing party whose presidential candidate condemned “anti-Iranian hysteria around the U.S. hostages” being held at the U.S. embassy in Tehran, suggesting that “many of them are simply spies … or people assigned to protect the spies,” as Ronald Radosh reported in The Daily Beast. Imagine what Trump and his team will do with that.
using the term centrist isn't like calling me a bernie bro. haha come on man.
centrists pushing fear based nonsense, like trump, is fucked up.
desperate.
4winds, not sure. i know rep. jayapal has been spoken of. nina turner would be incredible (but i don't think that'll happen; she'll have a different position in his administration).
the establishment is screaming bernie is evil, and you are lapping that shit up.
attempting to smear bernie by aligning him w/ trump is awesome. a week before the primaries start and this is what the centrists have -- trump likes bernie. hahahahahaha.
incredible the few people that routinely trash bernie on here are so completely out of touch w/ what's happening. scary.
how do you justify dismissing an entire political movement that has people so excited to vote, new voters, so much so that they've catapulted a dem socialist to the front of the race -- a representation of the working class, a diverse coalition of voters, will finally have a voice.
At the start of his 2020 bid, the Vermont senator told his supporters that he condemned bullying. Is it his problem if many don’t seem to listen?
The defense from Bernie Sanders was straightforward: It wasn’t me.
He had been milling about on the Senate floor one day in the summer of 2017 when a colleague, Kamala Harris, stepped toward him. “Do we have a problem?” Ms. Harris asked, according to Democrats familiar with the exchange.
Some prominent Sanders supporters had been flaming Ms. Harris publicly as the preferred choice of the corporate Democratic establishment against which Mr. Sanders had long railed, a view amplified among Sanders-boosting accounts across social media. “Pre-emptive strike,” one person wrote on the popular SandersForPresident Reddit group, where Sanders fans were sharing details of Ms. Harris’s recent fund-raising swing in the Hamptons with former Hillary Clinton donors. “Start the conversation now, end it before 2020.”
Looks like Bernie is way ahead of everyone in the polls... You guys still mad about that? Seems like it stings Ned, JR, Ras and THod pretty hard. Maybe it's time to face reality guys.
this is what you guys support? we call this trash. pure division -- and she and her crew are attempting to smear bernie b/c they know he's crushing the centrists -- we all see it.
you all talk about hating trump and wanting him out of office -- yet you fall for republican smear tactics and attempt to sow division by saying bernie is sexist, etc -- all while he has the most diverse, most working class coalition in the entire race, which is why he beats trump, and your centrists hacks lose.
^^Are you guys just in denial? Pretty strange man. Bernie is leading. Just the truth guys. Feel free to get butthurt about it for another thousand posts though. Pretty entertaining
to all the establishment dems in this thread - you or trump may well defeat bernie this time, you might defeat a few bernie-esque candidates in future elections, but a VAST majority of dems and independants under 40 support sanders and everything he represents.
when you all cant turn out voting numbers anymore because most of you are dead, invalid or just to old to get up enough energy to vote, we are tearing this shit down. its going to happen, and its going to happen in your lifetimes. the systems of power you all and the few generations that came before you have built will crumble around you, and every bone in my body hopes it happens before most of you actually die, so you can watch.
thats what everyone said about trump. dems were stoked initially, thinking it would be an easy win for the hillinator.
im not with pyramid in thinking its a shoe in, but i get where he's coming from. if youre 100% invested in a candidate and their campaign youve gotta stay as positive as possible.
im a tulsi interloper, maybe thats why i dont feel the need to go all in with the positivity like the more dedicated bernie folks.
but i honestly believe that allowing the corruption in both parties to continue to grow is far more harmful in the long run than another 4 years of trump. beating trump is obviously a priority for me since he has to be beaten to get anyone i like in there, but if its trump v biden or pete or something, i honestly dont care. "beating trump" is not even remotely close to being on the list of issues i deeply care about, and most of that list is comprised of things the democratic establishment are just as guilty of as the GOP, or issues that both parties are a solid 15-30 years away from even entertaining.
as someone pointed out....not only is this term highly sexist, it also demeans the millions of black,hispanic and asian voters already in the camp. to suggest his base is solely white males who troll online is not only disingenuous, it is parroting the corporate dem party line.
good job ned, nancy and all!
and wake up, as young larry longballs pointed out....the kids no longer want your fucking oldsmobiles
Bullshit turtle. I'm calling him a BB, not saying that's what his supporters are composed of. Is it OK if I call p-heater a BernieBro? Hell, he's the poster child.
also, i stand behind my statement. it is a slur or a put down. this is quiteliterally both the republican and dnc line. remember they both represent the powers that be...and they are going to do anything they can to discredit the movement. so in fact you are helping the man, dig?
lol ned. i only slap if you slap first, i'm talking like 9/10 most likely. you think addressing somebody as a centrist is an insult, it's not. addressing somebody as a bernie bro is an insult. not that i take offense, i don't care. it's just a fact tho.
i will absolutely dispute each and everyone of your centrist talking points, like: m4a isn't popular, taxes raised, bernie isn't electable, bernie can't work w/ congress to pass bipartisan legislation, bernie is promising free shit w/ no way of paying for it, etc etc etc.
you're the guy that said i'd prevent you from voting bernie. haha. jesus man, lighten up. i know pointing out how centrist, establishment politicians handed us trump, sorry that makes you and thod mad. i don't give a fuck. this is why i tell you to grow the fuck up.
-- if you post insane, completely false stories like thod does, you're called out. i'd expect the same if i posted fake shit -- like JR has above, just an hour ago. lol.
Dude, I am fine debating and discussing without insults. The record will show you're the biggest offender of this. BUT, this isn't about you or me, is it.....
i recognize the importance of the supreme court, but im more interested in reforming the entire institution than stacking it with judges who marginally share my views to lifetime appointments.
its clearly the most important aspect of "beating trump", but at the end of the day the entire system of presidents stacking the court with lifetime appointments is a fundamentally unjust system, giving legal control over many aspects of american life to whichever party happens to be lucky enough to be in office when a bunch of justices die, regardless of whether the dogma of that party of beliefs of that justice in any way still resonate with the american people after decades on the bench.
id be much more exited about implementing term limits for justices than i would be about replacing ginsburg with another liberal.
neocons, neoliberals, the religious right, the uneducated, fox viewers, self-defeating man-hen dems, corporate media, twitter trolls, russia, dnc,the electoral college....
Running Bernie Sanders Against Trump Would Be an Act of Insanity
By Jonathan Chait
Bernie Sanders — who currently leads the field in Iowa and New Hampshire, and appears to be consolidating support among the party’s progressive wing, while its moderates remain splintered — his prospects against Donald Trump in November would be far from hopeless. Polarization has given any major party nominee a high enough floor of support that the term “unelectable” has no real place in the discussion. What’s more, every candidate in the race brings a suite of their own liabilities Trump could exploit.
That said, the totality of the evidence suggests Sanders is an extremely, perhaps uniquely, risky nominee. His vulnerabilities are enormous and untested. No party nomination, with the possible exception of Barry Goldwater in 1964, has put forth a presidential nominee with the level of downside risk exposure as a Sanders-led ticket would bring. To nominate Sanders would be insane.
It's hard to say this without being offense but I'm honestly just trying to tell you the truth, Thom. Nobody here really likes your white nationalist agenda and everybody knows you're just going to continue posting garbage and pro trump stuff. You just come off as a total asshole that nobody likes.
bernie beats trump -- how come the centrists only want to talk about trump saying bernie didn't make a sexist remark, and that trump favors bernie's division (lol) within the dem party.
centrists hate bernie as much as they say they hate trump -- so they stoke the fear that trump is attempting to sow.
bernie unifies and brings in new people to the party -- a uniquely diverse coalition.
which is why the trump admin and sadly centrist dems are fighting bernie hard.
You really think this country's going from far right to far left without first going to the middle ? Yeah, we're going from Charlottesville to Shangri-la in one election cycle. Uh huh, you fucking pipedream imbacils.
I say bernie stays in the race, deflecting The Eye of trump till the Convention when he bows out gracefully urging his supporters to back Biden, a candidate with an actual shot at beating the master of Mordor. Silly dilly bernites, I've never seen such devotion from zoner droids
Surging Bernie - is it true right leaners have spent millions on pro bernie ads in those states, and have billions more at the ready to spend on him nationally in the primaries ? Answer yes. Now why would they do that I wonder.
most of the never trump republicans wont vote anyway, or they will write in something silly. my dad is a lifelong republican who does not support trump, and afaik he voted on other issues and politicians and left the presidential field blank.
biden gets some of the never trump republicans
bernie gets higher youth turnout than any other candidate, bernie gets votes from both young and radical people who dont normally vote, and bernie gets the 20% of his base back that went to trump in protest of hillary. bernie likely gets a chunk of the independents or libertarians that went with gabbard or yang who would likely go trump if he were matched up against an establishment candidate.
if the never trump republicans were a significant political force, he wouldnt have won in 2016. he didnt need the never trumpers then, he wont now.
DNC appointed meghan stabler, who is a board member of super PAC Democratic Majority for Israel, who is running an attack ad against bernie sanders in iowa.
tom perez also has stacked the convention rules committee w/ HRC attack surrogates.
you have biden and sitting US senators saying they won't back sanders.
where's the outrage?
and again -- centrists and republicans (thom lol) are pushing the same talking points, from iraq war cheerleaders, chait and frum, who have been wrong about everything.
I posted the never trump repb article just as one example of the kind of opposition the bern is facing from one particular group of voters that can't stand trump, and won't back the burn. Too socialist for em, sad but true. It was not supposed to be viewed as a deal maker or breaker larry. Just one group, and there's lots of em. In an anywhere's near sane country, Bernie wins. But in the right wing shithole, no morals in politics anymore, nation trump's spawned the past few years, the pubs chew burn up in the general and spit him out.
If you've questioned why a lot of people have a problem with voting bernie?
Here's a good read from David Corn at Mother Jones.
Pretty eye opening...
Is Bernie Sanders the Next George McGovern—or the Next Donald Trump?
Two political insurgents. Two very different results. Which fate awaits Sanders?
BerniePanic has set in. As the Iowa caucuses approach, Democratic establishmentarians and we-gotta-beat Trump pundits have begun to fret about the Sanders surge. They fear the prospect of the Vermont (small-d) democratic socialist triumphing in the Hawkeye State, winning in New Hampshire, and then becoming an unstoppable force in the remaining primaries.
^Lol tod. That article is pure trash. Nothing more than old republican smear tactics used by the bushs. Sad anybody would even give that the time of day.
>>> ^Lol tod. That article is pure trash. Nothing more than old republican smear tactics used by the bushs. Sad anybody would even give that the time of day. <<<
David Corn? you're kidding right??
Mother Jones is far from that T-plug, you can't even berniebro right. smh
In fact P-nutz has used Mother Jones as a source on multiple occasions and a couple times
State Polls Show Medicare for All Could Cost Democrats the Blue Wall in 2020
Three new polls of likely general election voters in the Blue Wall states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin reveal that voters are deeply skeptical about Medicare for All and that the policy will not help Democrats beat Donald Trump in these top 2020 battleground states.1
Among our findings:
Voters reject Medicare for All by double digits in two of three Blue Wall states.
Voters think Medicare for All will lead to middle-class tax hikes and lower quality of care.
A generic Democrat who seeks to build off the Affordable Care Act (ACA) performs better against Trump with general election voters in the Blue Wall states than a generic Democrat who supports Medicare for All.
These findings may explain why by margins of 19-points in Pennsylvania, 16-points in Michigan, and 17-points in Wisconsin, Democrats and persuadable voters would rather the Democratic nominee run on building off the ACA over Medicare for All.
yeah, it's scary thom. citizens have been so conditioned that they would rather people go broke, die, loose everything due to medical costs...than have everyone covered at some base level...
this place is a goddamned shithole country at the moment.
In order for a Democrat to win Pennsylvania, he/she must win big in Philadelphia, Berks, Bucks, Chester, Delaware, and Montgomery counties. Sanders will win Philadelphia and possibly Berks counties , but the a sweep of the other three is extremely unlikely. Sanders won only Berks county in the 2016 primary
David Corn is Mother Jones' Washington bureau chief and an on-air analyst for MSNBC. He is the co-author (with Michael Isikoff) of Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin’s War on America and the Election of Donald Trump. He is the author of three New York Times bestsellers, Showdown, Hubris (with Isikoff), and The Lies of George W. Bush, as well as the e-book, 47 Percent: Uncovering the Romney Video that Rocked the 2012 Election.
^It also looks like he's a terrible news analyst too. Congrats to him. I don't pay attention to news analyst to be honest. There job is to stir the pot. Just doesn't interest me to pay them any attention. Would be fine reading lists of facts with no opinions actually. Would be a much better source of information than the news. Anybody who tries to make a comparison of Bernie Sanders being a Donald trump isn't worth anyone's time at all. He's just a joke.
guys it's simple. bernie is the most electable and best to beat trump.
biden won't motivate people to show up and vote. his corrupt record and establishment politics won't get 2x obama>trump voters which is needed. bernie does (non establishment). he doesn't appeal to independents and now even older voters are catching on to his record of SS cuts. trump will crush biden.
if you want to beat trump you vote bernie in the primary.
The only thing Democrats have to lose are Yang voters.
The only thing Democrats have to lose are moderates and independents in the 5 swing states that won't vote for a socialist thus handing Trump another four years.
i dont think i could live with myself if i saw hillary in person and didnt boo her
she pushes violence, death and regime change in libya, among others, and now its wrong to boo her? what planet am i even on anymore?
those are two very different statements. "nobody likes bernie" is an objective statement that can easily be proven wrong by looking at any number of polls, such as this national poll that lists bernie as the most popular senator in america for the 11th time in a row; https://morningconsult.com/2019/01/10/americas-most-and-least-popular-se...
maybe the poll is wrong and hes not really the most popular, but even still with a huge margin of error just this one poll proves her statement to be objectivley false.
booing hillary is not even a specific statement, its just voicing disagreement with her on god knows what issue someone might have in mind. one is an objectively false statement, and the other is a voicing of grievances based on personal opinion, which is supposed to be what politics is all about. im so sick of all the fake posturing and fake politeness. if she had yelled profanities and called her a warmonger and a corrupt failure instead of booing talib would be my new favorite lefty.
>The only thing Democrats have to lose are moderates and independents in the 5 swing states that won't vote for a socialist thus handing Trump another four years.<
well....then why didn't they vote for hillary??? by your dnc logic, they would have voted for her.
yea thats what i dont get...somehow our best chance to beat trump is basically an even less likable, barely coherent version of the candidate that lost to trump last time?
As the Bernie train gains momentum it is looking more and more like a cult of personality. You're either with us or against us. No room for debate and immediate label as working to suborn democracy if Bernie's cock isn't in one's mouth.
Everyone is aware of the 30 year smear campaign ran against the Clintons. If Bernie somehow does run, he won't do as well as Hillary. You folks are delusional, but I find it kinda cute and definitely amusing.
The Clintons were just dirty. Riddled with scandal. Kinda just brought it on themselves. Not sure what you means by "if Bernie does run". He's running... and has been.
Either get behind Bernie or tell us which one of the other candidates left standing (Biden,Warren, Bloomberg, etc,) should be the candidate to take on Trump?
Its a fair question and one the primaries should resolve. Just ripping on Bernie without explaining who would be better at this stage of the process is not helping the cause. No shame in saying Biden, Warren, or Mayor Pete. All would be an improvement.
another rough day for thod, just going on and on about nothing. my god man.
bernie is by far the most electable, most likely to defeat trump. why you ask? he has a clear message. he's honest. he doesn't tell you one thing and do another. his message is easy to understand. he's incredibly consistent, in a field full of politicians who lie and go back on their word (warren, which is why she's done).
he has the most diverse base, majority of which are woman (i know that kills centrists like thod, but it's a fact).
the youth vote will show up and vote bernie in.
he gets independents.
most people want M4A and a GND. fact.
he's the only anti war candidate.
but please, tell us how you believe everything trump and co tell you now, please, continue to scream socialist this and that -- the man is by far the most popular politician and most liked politician in the country -- warren is one of the absolute l’est liked politicians in the country. she will lose mass on super tuesday.
there's no more waiting, bernie is the only one w/ a movement that will crush trump.
you want to run a centrist to lose? wtf is wrong w/ you?
The 200,000-member-strong Amalgamated Transit Union cited Biden’s electability against President Trump.
Joe Biden scored the endorsement Saturday of a major transit union that officially backed Bernie Sanders in 2016.
“Joe has been very supportive of the labor movement for the last 40 years. He stands for working families. We recognize he’s a great candidate,” John Costa, international president of the 200,000-member Amalgamated Transit Union, told POLITICO. “We think Joe can beat Donald Trump.”
surf, it sounds like you'll be voting to hold our country back since you're not supporting bernie, the most electable running and best candidate to defeat trump. sad.
Looks like folks in Pa and Florida prefer Biden at this point. As you know, Pyramid, the swing states are the ones that elect the President. Any Democrat will win California, New York, Oregon, Washington, etc.
Rivals warn Sanders campaign plans to game Iowa results
Fueling the rising anxiety is a change to how the caucuses will report their results in 2020
CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa — Rival campaigns are sounding the alarm that Bernie Sanders could be planning to claim victory on Monday night — before the caucuses are concluded.
It’s a move, they say, that could have a significant effect on the outcome.
Sanders and his team have made clear their intention to tout the results of the first round of caucus voting Monday, even though the Iowa Democratic Party stresses that the only number that matters is the final delegate count.
that's why bernie is the best to run on the dem ticket.
he appeals to the independents, disenfranchised voters, youth, hispanics, minorities, republicans who won't vote trump or establishment dem -- a centrists doesn't really get any of that and will hand the election to trump. i certainly won't be voting biden. warren i would vote for, as i've stated, but she has no shot now.
very risky to run a centrist against trump -- we saw what happened in 2016. the time is now to change the system, we will wait no longer.
Whether you agree or not, and I know that you don't, ogkb, it's just as risky to run a far, far left dude against Trump. Just because you say that he gets this vote and that vote, and he'll get people of their asses in November, doesn't make it true. It's a guess, and not even an educated guess.
Your entire argument is based on the faulty premise that Hillary lost in 2016 because she was a centrist. The data, in fact, points to something completely different. She lost because of a few swing states, which went with the more conservative candidate. That and the "never Hillary" Progressives, who also voted for Trump in those states. But fuck them, and fuck anyone who needs to throw a temper tantrum and hold an election hostage if their guy doesn't get in.
If Bernie gets the nomination, he's going to be under attack in a way that he's never seen. Trump will drum up a "Red Scare," and as most of the population are ignorant and under-educated, the masses will buy it. Trump is a master of lying to get his way, and he knows how to play to fears.
At this point, it's absolutely false to claim that Bernie is the most electable. Just as strong an argument can be made that he's the least electable. The fact is, none of us have a fucking clue.
How about if everyone on the left stops with the bullshit and lies about the other candidates (and their own), votes for who they want in the primary, and then rally around the nominee in the general?
And ogkb, it's fine for you to be a "never Biden" dude in Vermont. Your compadres in FL, PA, MI and WI will hand Trump a 2nd term, but whatever, right?
And Slack, you're the perpetual whiny cunt who is looking for government handouts. A couple of years ago you stated that you and your wife, together, work 60-70 hours a week (or was it 70-80?). You work part time and can't afford to purchase a home? Cry me a fucking river. When I was your age I worked 60-70 hours a week myself to afford my home. That's what people do. President Sanders isn't going to wave a wand and build you a nice home to call your own. Get a grip. Stick to trolling former Zoners on another dbmb. It's your calling.
Timpane is the quintessential Bernie Bro, with absolutely nothing to say except to put people down. You're a fucking idiot.
Yes Slack, work more. It's what working class people do. For some reason you think you have an inalienable right to have all that you want, but with little output. "From each according to their capabilities, to each according to their needs."
bernie is the most electable b/c of his record man.
b/c of the movement he's built.
b/c of his massive ground game and organizing.
b/c he has the most diverse base.
b/c the majority of people support his two largest platform policies -- M4A and a GND.
he has the most active military donations.
he made 500k calls between 1/1-1/31 in iowa.
his campaign is letting people know that the establishment has destroyed our country, and people are indeed sick of it -- which is why you can feel the energy he creates within the electorate. there's a reason he has more donors and donations than even trump.
made up, taken out of context smears aren't working this time.
hrc screaming bernie is evil is backfiring.
the more the establishment tries to smear bernie, the more people like bernie.
idk, even i think this shit is crazy.
i look forward to bernie destroying trump on the debate stage -- him yelling socialist will only go so far -- like it did w/
obama in 2008.
people want fucking healthcare -- this is why he'll be elected.
No Turts, frustrated. Just look at all the BS in this thread. It's all far left talking points and msm talking points, reasonable people with very similar goals taking shots at each other over minutia.
What I'm most frustrated about is that all of the candidates kind of suck, and we're going to have a 2nd term of a douche who was impeached and has a 42% approval rating.
>by your logic, one not supporting the only candidate in the primary that has a chance against trump, is instead supporting trump<
By my logic? No, not even close. I will vote for Sanders if he is the Democratic nominee.
You state your opinion as if it is fact. I don't think Sanders is electable. I believe Trump beats him in the traditional Republican strongholds and wins Pennsylvania, Florida, and Ohio, thus he is not " the only candidate that has a chance against Trump."
I understand that many folks are like you, and won't vote for Biden if he is the nominee. That demonstrates that you believe that there is no discernable difference between Trump and Biden...and that is just plain dumb.
hey briank, what year did you buy your home? i work 60-70 hours per week doing hard farm labor, and make a higher hourly wage than lots of people in my age bracket, especially those like me that didnt go to/didnt finish college. even with those things considered, and the fact that i am single and have no kids or debts, it would take me 40-50 years to pay off an average priced home in my area and still have enough left over to pay the bills and put a few thousand a year into savings. lets get some numbers, apply some inflation and see what it would take for slack or i to buy your home in 2020.
when did you buy the house? how much did it cost? what was your hourly rate/salary at the time? of course you might not want to put this info out there, which is totally understandable...estimates would be fine, or if youre uncomfortable with it altogether thats totally understandable, but if youre into it, it would be a nice exercise to put some real life faces and numbers to the nameless statistics we read about in the news.
If I was to sell you my house today, at current market value, and you had 0% down, your monthly payment at 3.75%, including PMI, would be $1,350. Add another $400 for taxes and insurance, plus another $300 for flood insurance. That's $2,050.
You'll collect $1,300 p/m in rent, so you'd have to come up with $700.
Timpane, you truly are a douche. It's people like you who give Bernie supporters a bad name. All you do is harass older men on a dbmb, day in and day out.
Kinda seems like your the one doing the harassing. Especially on women, since you brought it up. It's weird that you
would think Bernie has a bad name. Troubling because he stands for equality, peace, unity, fair wages for workers, veterans rights, and the strengthening of worldwide relations. What are you looking for exactly? Just wondering, tbh. Sounds like you're just getting all butthurt for no reason when there is actually a great candidate right in front of your face.
Seems like you old guys on drugband message boards are so smart. Behold... Brian K. Truly a classic example of how to build and blow up and melt all over the place. Nice job man. Keep venting bud. Viva is here for you.
Lol, I have a hard time believing that a 30 something dude who has spent the last 8 years trolling older dudes on a dbmb, and has added nothing, has the capacity to truly care about his fellow humans. I just don't see it.
Slack, buddy, Burlington, VT isn't the USA as a whole, and the POTUS, with a strong Republican Congress, doesn't have the latitude that the mayor of Burlington has. That's for starters. The kicker is that Burlington isn't that affordable. It's tough to buy anything at a reasonable price that you don't have to majorly renovate, and rents are through the roof, over double what I get only 25 miles away.
you don't get it, lumber. i'm saying you support trump by throwing away your vote in the primary, by not voting for bernie, who clearly is the most electable candidate and our best chance at defeating trump.
Pyramid, I get it, I just think you are full of shit. You have no idea who i will vote for in the primary. And repeatedly insisting that your opinion regarding Sanders electability is fact, doesn't make it true.
If my choice is Sanders or Trump, I'm voting for Sanders.
And yes, if your choice is Biden or Trump, and you choose a third option, you are saying that there is no discernable difference between Biden and Trump... and that is stoopid
>The two don't have to be the same for a third to be different. <
True, Slack, but only Trump or the Democratic nominee has a chance of winning. And the Democratic nominee will need every vote he/she can get, especially in swing states.
Pyramid, I don't think any of the Democrats stand much of a chance against Trump. But the election comes down to a handful of states, and I truly believe that Sanders cannot win Pennsylvania, Florida or Ohio.
8 yrs? I've been here closer to 11 I think but no you didn't strike a nerve. I just think your a sexual
harassing old man who is embarrassed that he doesn't know anything about politics and getting his ass whooped all up and down this drugband message boards by "30 something year olds". And yes, I do care about my fellow humans. You're welcome, ya jerk off
I've said from day one that my issue isn't Bernie's platform, it's his divisiveness. This country is so friggin' fractured as it is, and Trump is both a cause and effect of that. Before any major shit will make it through Congress, there has to be some sort of unity. I don't see Republicans doing anything but blocking anything and everything he wants to do, which will keep us held back.
Perhaps someone more moderate, that isn't anywhere near as polarizing, can break down this stupid partisan wall that is up and at least start making some positive and lasting changes.
Now, I know the retort will be that a majority wants M4A, so they'd have to vote for it. That's BS. Over 70% wanted witnesses, and we sure as hell didn't get them. That's just not how it works anymore.
Your logic just doesn't make sense. You can't compromise with these people. We need a complete congressional reform in every way. That's the only real way anything will change. Again, you guys are a little bit older and that seems like an idea that was worth while years ago but it's just not realistic at all and will never work.
Timpane, over 5 years ago I voluntarily shared a personal story about getting a very mild wrist slap for telling a dirty joke. You've now brought it up at least 200 times. I know that this is hard for you, but it doesn't make me look bad. It makes you look like a weirdo and creep, for one, and a weak and boring troll. Might you drop it at some point before 2025?
Why don't you just tell us exactly what happened and then I'll drop it forever. After that everybody can determine whether or not you are guilty of sexual harassment. Otherwise you are just still a coward who can't explain the story at hand.
I know that you have it saved. Just post it. It stands for itself.
Honestly, I really don't think anyone really cares. I mean, you have a fucked up fixation on some non-issue, relating to an unknown dude on a dbmb from a dozen years ago, but that's just you. Lol
Just tell the story, Bk. Tell it the way it happened and I'll drop it. Thod, yes I am married. The fact that you're married is pretty scary for the other person.
Timpane doesn't understand how our system works. He thinks that President Sanders would tear shit down, not be beholden to the Republican satanists in Congress in any way, and would solve the world's problems with executive orders.
He also thinks he's cool because he's been a sick troll for over a decade.
I don't think I'm cool. And no I don't think that president sanders will be able to do anything by himself. It's up to us as members of the union to make a difference. Sanders can only try to organize. We are the ones who have to show up. And no I don't think I'm cool. I just think you're pretty lame. Still dodging telling us the story too. Come on man. What are you afraid of?
^What? Dude you seriously need to lay off the pills and booze. Not a good look for you. Maybe take a break from the zone for a bit. Shits starting to get to you. I haven't the faintest idea about what the fuck you're saying, btw
The example of Jeremy Corbin in the UK should act as a bellwether for all of us. Those white suburban mom's in the rust belt aren't going to be fired up about Bernie and his revolution. They just want a sense of normalcy to return. You and your bros better not fuck it up again....
the establishment is shook -- b/c of the massive movement behind sanders. he's not the front runner w/o the massive working class fueling it. the time is now. our best chance to defeat trump while at the same time transform america.
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sigmund
Boom goes the dynamite
Boom goes the dynamite
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
I'm not a homeowner.
I'm not a homeowner.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
An attack ad in a
An attack ad in a presidential primary? Oh dear.
>>>Zephyr Teachout
Her dad was my constitutional law professor at Vermont. She is also leading the charge on the Emoluments Clause lawsuits against Trump.
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what's the issue here? lol.
what's the issue here? lol.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
Biden once had dinner with
Pretty weak op-ed. Where's the, Biden once had dinner with robert kraft and john henry
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how is pointing out how biden
how is pointing out how biden is deeply connected to corporate interests in weak ?
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Fuck Bernie.
Fuck Bernie.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
haha so mad.
haha centrists so mad.
who hates bernie more, centrists or trumpers?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
you feel comfortable putting
you feel comfortable putting biden up against trump?
trump will slam biden for all these reasons, and people will eat it up.
trump will say he won't cut medicare but biden is on record for 40 years attempting to cut SS.
these are facts about biden. have you learned nothing from 2016?
truth hurts, right woz.
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>>> biden is on record for
>>> biden is on record for 40 years attempting to cut SS.
why do you spread lies about Democratic candidates?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino
How is Bernie going to answer
How is Bernie going to answer these questions in the general election? I'm not trying to be troll just wondering if anyone in the Bernie camps has thought about these things?
Sanders has been on the far left all his life, and the oppo research the GOP throws at him could be brutal. He’s a man, after all, who sided with a Marxist-Leninist party that supported Ayatollah Khomeini during the hostage crisis in 1979. He loved the monstrous dictator Fidel Castro and took his 1988 honeymoon in the Soviet Union, no less, where he openly and publicly criticized his own country and praised many aspects of the Soviet system. He saw the USSR and the USA this way: “Let’s take the strengths of both systems. Let’s learn from each other.” As he was saying this, the Soviet Union was already collapsing. And he paid no visits to dissidents. I think it’s fair to say that he has never met a leftist dictator he hasn’t admired.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/andrew-sullivan-is-there-a-way-to...
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“I think it’s fair to say
“I think it’s fair to say that he has never met a leftist dictator he hasn’t admired.”
Oh, the irony.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: pride of cupertino
I like Bernie and will LOVE
I like Bernie and will LOVE to vote for him if he’s the Dem nominee.
But, “Bernie or Bust” means Trump 2020. That’s all.
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weird steve how is that a lie
weird steve how is that a lie? see this is the issue -- bernie points out differences, facts, and centrists try to rewrite their decades old record. why are you doing this? this is what trump does.
below is biden calling for cutting SS. these are facts are you saying otherwise is insanity.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4843746/user-clip-biden-freezing-social-s...
https://www.congress.gov/104/crec/1995/01/31/CREC-1995-01-31-pt1-PgS1806...
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1ZI0SN?__twitter_impressio...
biden has literally bragged on the floor how's he's attempted mann manhattan times. haha how do you dispute that? trump shit. own it.
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https://www.politifact.com
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/
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Bernie is unelectable
Bernie is unelectable
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
that doesn't dispute biden's
that doesn't dispute biden's almost 40 year record of attempting to cut and pushing for legislation that cuts SS.
you do know that, correct? facts, weird steve. why is this tough for you?
biden has run in 2 previous presidential races -- winning zero primaries.
the first race he had to drop out in part b/c of plagiarism.
facts.
bernie won 23 primaries in 2016.
biden is not electable.
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>> biden has run in 2
>> biden has run in 2 previous presidential races -- winning zero primaries. <<
Irrelevant to most.
bernie lost to Hillary in 2016. Is that any less relevant?
You're still in your little Bernie bubble bro.....the GOP and tRump will shred Bernie's high tax approach. Sorry you can't see outside yer bubble, dude.
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hi ned.
hi ned.
you must hate living in your bubble state then, as colorado will go bernie. you're from the tri state tho, right? you probably don't fit in out there.
but did you see even good old jersey is feeling the bern.
you're centrist ways will hand the election to trump again, please be open minded. i know it's tough.
you know, at this point, if you think bernie can't win the dem nom, or beat trump, then you are literally living in a bubble and hate the working class movement for whatever reason, combines w/ not paying attention.
shit, even the corporate media, ned, you know, the shit you watch and read all the time that tell you the nonsense you spew here (remember when you were saying bernie was sinking and was done, months ago, over the summer maybe, yeah the corporate media was saying the same exact thing at the same exact time -- come on man) have acknowledged the very real possibility of winning and the electability of bernie.
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>>>>Bernie is unelectable
>>>>Bernie is unelectable
you know a lot of people said that about Trump too so I'm not buying into that argument anymore
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino
Winning primaries is
Winning primaries is meaningless. You know who else won a ton of primaries. Hillary, Kerry, Dukakis, and Gore.
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Pyramids are ancient
Pyramids are ancient
but more stable. Enjoy your activism
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
I did say he was sinking at
I did say he was sinking at that time, because he was at the time.Plus, he was in the hospital recovering from a heart attack. And, I probably took the opportunity to take a dig at your sorry ass. Ice>Wind.
Yes, Bernie can win the nomination. And yes, he can still be shredded for his high tax platform. His high tax platform makes him vulnerable to the middle (Centrists!! LOL) who decide every election.
You rejected my attempt for you to look at other peoples' POVs. You came back with "Bernie IS the other POV...". Sure, I get what you mean, but you're ignoring what I said. Not everyone is placing their vote for the same reason you are. If you can't accept that I don't know why I wasting time responding to you.
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As long as everyone who
As long as everyone who dislikes Trump, and I mean everyone, goes to the polls and votes for the Democrat, then we’re good.
If that Democrat is Bernie on the ballot, AWESOME! If it’s Biden or Pete or Warren or Klobuchar, AWESOME! As long as we all pull that lever. Bernie would be great. He needs to win that nomination. Bernie is my man, but I’m not Bernie or Bust. My emotions and hopes don’t get in the way of my tactics when it comes to this country’s future. We just need to get Donald out. We want Bernie? We need to get him the nomination. If he doesn’t get it, we’re still on the Blue Train.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg isn’t getting any younger. The Supreme Court matters. This is not a fire drill, my friends.
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^ SEE a different POV. Not
^ SEE a different POV. Not pro-Bernie or pro-Warren or pro-Biden....it's Anti-Trump.
You seem to think this election is about a revolution. Most don't agree. This election is a mandate on Trump. Period.
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ned, of course not everybody
ned, of course not everybody is voting for the reason i am. no shit man. same is said about you, voting for the status quo -- which has undoubtedly lead us to trump -- from both sides.
not only did i reject other POVs, by which you mean centrist, establishment dem POVs -- which we've tried, every time, most recently in 2016 w/ HRC's historic loss to trump, but so did the electorate in 2016, as a whole. why? b/c the fake populist won, even tho most people voted for the corporate dem -- her platform was rejected.
which is why the dem platform we all now speak about is bernie's.
bernie's platform has dictated all the policy discussion since 2016. have you not noticed?
if you think this is just about beating trump, and not advancing our society as a whole, you are out of touch.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: pride of cupertino
Sometimes you can vote FOR
Sometimes you can vote FOR someone. Sometimes you need to vote AGAINST someone. This year is a situation where I simply need to vote against the man who’s there. It’s very simple.
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Yes, it's about beating tRump
Yes, it's about beating tRump. Don't overthink this.
Are you on the same team, or not?
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that's what i'm asking you
that's what i'm asking you and weird steve?
will you vote for the status quo which trump defeated in 2016 and will easily defeat in 2020?
or will you vote for defeating trump w/ a political movement which is what it'll take to defeat trump?
trump will not be easy -- we all know this?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: pride of cupertino
OGKB: Beating Trump now IS
OGKB: Beating Trump now IS step one on the path. NOMINATE BERNIE. If not, anyone who jumps ship and votes Green is going to fuck us. Again... the Supreme Court. Possible wars. I don’t think we have any idea how bad things can get if Donald wins again with what looks like a re-election mandate. That must not be allowed to happen for any reason. The man is dangerous, and even more so because he is fully enabled by the GOP. This is not Mitt Romney or even GW Bush we’re dealing with here. This is different. But we know this, right? If anyone doesn’t know this, THEY are out of touch. We have an emergency on our hands. We can hash out Left vs Centrism in the next election cycle (if there is one) against some cookie cutter Republican. This is not that. This is all hands on deck for a regime change in November, or the Court gets one or two more judges on the bench, and all kinds of other shit is hitting the fan. I’m not waving ANY one candidate’s flag right now. I’m rolling with Team Blue to defeat Team Red. It sound absurdly simple, but that’s what we are faced with.
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Many voters are looking to
Many voters are looking to get back to "normal" first.
It's OK, idealism is very idealistic!! YAY!
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still undecided? lol.
still undecided? lol. or has the nyt endorsement told you who you can vote for?
grow up man.
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In other words, I vote for
I know what is happening. I don’t need to pay attention to any media about any candidate. I know I’m voting Blue against Red in November. No one will sway me on that, so the media doesn’t matter to me.
In other words, I vote for The Movement now, in the primaries. This is where we work for what we want the most. After that, by the time of the convention and the general election, you either vote against Trump or you will re-elect him. That’s it.
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good, vote bernie in the
good, vote bernie in the primary.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: pride of cupertino
Absolutely. That is the time.
Absolutely. That is the time. Trust me, I’m on the Bernie train... up to the convention. If he’s not the nominee, I’m back on the Blue train regardless. I need to vote against.
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>> still undecided?
>> still undecided?
YUP. Holding out until primary day when I will vote for the person I think has the best chance to beat Trump.
And, I didn't grow up in the Tri-State area.
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The best chance to beat Trump
The best chance to beat Trump is to offer the same things he offers.
People are flush with money. Don't mess that up.
A trickle down plan is how we have incredible numbers.
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good thing you get to see
good thing you get to see what everybody else thinks first, huh.
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I've been very clear on my
I've been very clear on my motivations. You have been very condescending and presumptive. Sad.
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lol you came in here and
lol you came in here and started trolling me.
you little follower.
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The only people saying Bernie
The only people saying Bernie or bust are his naysayers, hi Ned, and other centrists that can't wait to get back to the Clinton days.
y'all are the ones fanning division.
i still have yet to hear who they want other than not Bernie. Jesus Christ.
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Hope we’re all in the same
Hope we’re all in the same gang in November.
It’s pretty simple what needs to happen. We’re gonna need to be on the same team just to overcome the amount of cheating and hacking our enemy will use to win. The only way around that is sheer numbers. Let’s sort this out now in the primary season.
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>>>How is Bernie going to
>>>How is Bernie going to answer these questions in the general election? I'm not trying to be troll just wondering if anyone in the Bernie camps has thought about these things? <<<
Good point, here's the source for below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Eichenwald
https://kurteichenwald.com/
Kurt Eichenwald spent two decades as a senior writer at The New York Times, where he was a two-time finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. He is also a two-time winner of the George Polk Award, as well as the winner of the Payne Award for Ethics in Journalism and an Emmy Award nominee.
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^does your opinion of these
^does your opinion of these scholars change once bernie wins the nomination and defeats teump in the general?
bernie = most electable.
as turtle has asked before -- why do you try so hard, why do you search for any lies and misinformation seeking to defeat the most progressive and electable candidate in our lifetime?
b/c you really want to protect the status quo.
https://morningconsult.com/2020/01/14/why-bernie-sanders-is-electable-too/
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^
^
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Bernie, is not the choice of
Bernie, is not the choice of the lesser evil
BERNIE IS GOOD
OVER EVIL
VOTE BERNIE MF SANDERS
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Should I pretend that Kurt Eichenwald piece can't be real?
C'mon man, credible source putting his shit on the line like that and you're gonna dismiss it?
40 years of bernie opo research is real, all I'm sayin'.
If you can refute any of it?
I'm all ears.
But Kurt Eichenwald over some bro in Vermont?
I think you know where this is going....
Gas is runnin' low, your pilot light keeps flickering in and out.
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Good graphic, ogkb. It shows
Good graphic, ogkb. It shows that both Bernie and Biden beat Trump in virtually every demographic, except for non college educated whites.
Oh, and it looks like the older Boomers don't dig Bernie as much as they do Biden.
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lol thod you can post all the
lol thod you can post all the fear mongering centrist psychobabble you want -- is that the guy that said trump would not leave if defeated? or that the election wouldn't even be held? yeah, that's crazy shit man -- you believe that stuff. wild.
correct bk -- bernie gets the coveted independent vote needed to defeat trump, biden has the senior vote but bernie has the youth vote, the black vote under 35 overwhelmingly -- looking great.
that why when people like ned and co says he's not electable, they're lying.
still no response from ras or weird steve -- weird steve is blatantly lying, just like thod. the links right here in this thread prove that.
but the centrist have resorted to trump tactics, sadly.
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biden is for people who spend
biden is for people who spend $ to fly to mexico to see mayer & co.
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Would you agree more people
Would you agree, more people are now stoked to get rid of trump and his cronies?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
pyramid sure reminds me of
, folks, is what you need to know about presidential candidate Joe Biden and his past and present views on Social Security.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/18/us/politics/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-social-security.html
INDIANOLA, Iowa — Former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. on Saturday accused Senator Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign of distorting his record on Social Security, claiming without evidence that Mr. Sanders’s team was promoting a “doctored” video, a loaded word in an era of disinformation.
“There is a little doctored video going around,” Mr. Biden said, adding that it was “put out by one of Bernie’s people.”
The remarks, which Mr. Biden made in response to a question about his Social Security stance at a campaign event here Saturday afternoon, marked a departure from his typical oblique swipes at opponents when speaking before voters. The clash, over an issue of great significance to older Iowa voters, seemed to signal an escalation in tensions between the two contenders who are competing for an overlapping slice of blue-collar Iowans here in the leadoff caucus state.
The Sanders campaign has been increasingly critical of Mr. Biden’s broader record on Social Security. At issue on Saturday: The campaign claimed recently that Mr. Biden had praised former House Speaker Paul D. Ryan, Mr. Biden’s 2012 rival for the vice presidency, in support of making cuts to Social Security.
On Jan. 1, a Sanders adviser circulated on Twitter a video clip that captured only a portion of a Biden speech that appeared to promote that argument, without context, though the video did not appear doctored.
On Saturday, Mr. Biden invoked PolitiFact, the fact-checking outlet, which ruled that the Sanders campaign claim was false and lacked context. The PolitiFact ruling did not focus on the video, contrary to Mr. Biden’s suggestion, but it did address the substance of the Biden speech at issue.
“It is simply a lie, that video that’s going around,” Mr. Biden said, adding, “I’m looking for his campaign to come forward and disown it. They haven’t done it yet.”
...
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>>>>biden is for people who
>>>>biden is for people who spend $ to fly to mexico to see mayer & co.
well the are dumb because joe has wanted to arrest them all for smoking marijuana and taking ecstasy for years and years
I hope joe isn't the nominee. but damn straight I will vote for him if he IS the nominee.
these "my candidate or bust" people suck
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Hahahaha.
Hahahaha.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
weird steve go look above --
weird steve go look above -- take all the time you need.
you sir are like your candidate biden -- straight up lying and thinking facts won't disprove your lies.
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if i remind you blair then
if i remind you blair then your are a fucking moron. lol.
lots of centrists melting as the voting approaches. this is good.
strange edit, weird steve.
so you refuse to acknowledge biden trying to cut SS -- the first time was in 1984 -- as fact? is this correct?
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/18/us/politics/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-social-security.html
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"Hopefully, sometime soon,
"Hopefully, sometime soon, rank-and-file Democrat activists and voters will come to their senses and understand that should Sanders win the nomination of his party, the election results will be a resounding victory for Trump. Our country is not the America of 1972, when Richard M. Nixon campaigned against the liberal-leftist Democratic candidate George McGovern, calling him the candidate of “amnesty, abortion and acid.” In that election, only one state, Massachusetts, gave the electoral college vote to McGovern.
Nevertheless, a Sanders nomination would put many states in play that Democrats had easily won for a quarter-century. Sanders is where he is today in part because no one has really attacked him. But just wait until Republicans spend a billion dollars painting him as an extremist. He’d win Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Maryland, Delaware, California, Washington, and Hawaii, and also probably New York and Illinois. But a huge number of usually-blue states would be up for grabs. He would also find that Democratic candidates would run away from him. Many candidates running for governor, the Senate, and the House in purple states and districts would refuse to campaign with him, or at best make a half-hearted quick appearance.
In 1972, the candidate hated most by the left and the liberals, Richard Nixon, became President of the United States. Is that what today’s Trump opponents really want to repeat?"
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
How many people you think look at morningconsult.com for their daily dose of news P-nutz,
as opposed to the zillions that watch the msm?
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weird steve are you saying
weird steve are you saying biden has not tried to cut SS?
are you denying fact, like trump does?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
p.s., my current preference
p.s., my current preference is Klobuchar, but I'll vote for anyone who wins the Democratic Primary.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
the tassled-loafer set is
the tassled-loafer set is aligned with white trash. they need each other.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
>>>>weird steve are you
>>>>weird steve are you saying biden has not tried to cut SS?
blair, you are asking me to prove a negative.
I'm ignorant, but not stupid.
How about you show me where Biden "tried to cut SS"?
:)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
i already did you dumb fuck.
i already did you dumb fuck. it's above.
so you refuse to acknowledge facts, like trump.
that's where we are. so divisive centrists are.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
How do you get to there?
How do you get to there?
From the morningconsult.com vs the msm?
bots?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
How about you show me where
>>>> i already did you dumb fuck. it's above.
links?
:)
Hi Blair, how about you show me where Biden "tried to cut SS"?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
weird steve wants every
weird steve wants every citizen to gamble their life savings in the stock market which is one of the main reasons the world is so fucked up.
corporations need his money to speculate with.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Racketinmyhead
Bernie has a plan to increase
Bernie has a plan to increase “life savings”? Quite the contrary.
Dead in Mexico for all!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
https://theintercept.com/2020
https://theintercept.com/2020/01/13/biden-cuts-social-security/
"And after a Republican wave swept Congress in 1994, Biden’s support for cutting Social Security, and his general advocacy for budget austerity, made him a leading combatant in the centrist-wing battle against the party’s retreating liberals in the 1980s and ’90s."
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Doesn't mean he won't do the
Doesn't mean he won't do the right thing come the general election.
Remember there's a contingent here from sf that will "let us know" after they huddle up and decide how they want to proceed.
Smh
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ok, here it is again, weird
ok, here it is again, weird steve -- just for you:
https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1215397207601381376?s=21
and for your politifact article:
https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1215377540317093888?s=21
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Ogkb, you're trying to prove
Ogkb, you're trying to prove that Bernie is "most electable," which is impossible to do. It's all guessing g at this point. The graphic you posted above doesn't show they he gets the coveted Independent vote, and there's no data to prove that the majority of the people want his policies.
You've spent a lot of time trying to prove that he's the best and that the others suck, but very little effort on explaining his policies and how he'd get them passed.
Look man, even though I agree with many of his more radical policies, the ones that you also dig, I know that they'd never make it through Congress. M4A, free public college and student loan forgiveness are a few decades out. As you know, I've been saying for months that if he gets the nomination the Republicans are going to come after him like none other. There's no way to know what the end results of that will be, but it isn't going to be pretty. Then, even if he did win, the Republicans in Congress would treat him like a leper.
Again, none of us know exactly what will happen, but he's not the "most electable," nor would he be the most effective. There are too many known and unknown factors.
So, how about we talk about policy rather than the stupid primary and all those unknowns?
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Here is a Washington Post
Here is a Washington Post piece that discusses the issue and argues that Biden's past advocacy for freezing (at least for a year) annual cost of living increases for SS benefits and to raise the minimum age for receiving benefits and his willingness to discuss further cuts in benefits might be a political liability for the guy:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/14/sanders-is-right-bide...
It will also be interesting to see if Biden and the establishment roll out that supposed cart load of old "Bernie is a kooky pinko commie" dirt if he starts running away with the primary.
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Is anyone here arguing that
Is anyone here arguing that Biden is the "best" candidate?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
(No subject)
>>> It will also be interesting to see if Biden and the establishment roll out that supposed cart load of old "Bernie is a kooky pinko commie" dirt if he starts running away with the primary. <<<
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i don't think so, the issue
i don't think so, the issue is earlier in the thread. weird steve was disputing facts.
thod and weird steve are perfect examples of reading a headline they like no matter how false, despite facts saying otherwise, and spreading that misinformation.
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You and the P-nutz gallery are the only ones imma afraid, sorry?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
>>> biden is on record for
>>> biden is on record for 40 years attempting to cut SS.
why do you spread lies about Democratic candidates?
<<<>>>
weird steve, did you crawl back into you klobuchar? lol.
facts only hurt if you let them.
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Given trump and everybody
Given trump and everybody knows how he rolls....
Do you only care now because of how much time you've spent here gaslighting (lots) because it seems exhausting...
Facts are easy, but it's really hard for you.
That opo research is an afterthought, who cares right?
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so weird steve and thod don't
so weird steve and thod don't believe facts.
haha its all here to see. strange times.
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i posted an article above
i posted an article above that is factual by an independent investigative journalism organization.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Demonize steve and his views
Demonize steve and his views and think you're corralling me into that, and you got a point?
You think that's a strong argument for your candidate?
c'mon man.
Again, we're talking about 40 years of opo research, can you refute Kurt Eichenwald?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
how have i demonized steve's
how have i demonized steve's views? haha wow.
many have pointed outs the facts in here, and he is now gone. whatever.
you also were posting the same bs article as him -- so do you believe in facts, thod?
i can tell by just looking at dude's twitter that he fear mongers just like you.
bernies campaign doesn't have to fear monger -- all he has to do is point out the facts, the record, previous votes, it's all there.
now please post your russian asset bs again for us all.
and good, compared to most career politicians, bernies record is clean. which is why he's so popular, trusted, and electable.
btw warren voted for trump's corporate gift of a trade deal last week -- even some centrists voted against it, strange vote for her. but then again she also voted for two of trump's military budgets. justify any way you have to.
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So, now that I got your
So, now that I got your attention.
How do you get to there?
From the morningconsult.com vs the msm?
bots?
I've gotta plan, do you?
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what's your question?
what's your question?
bots? dude i don't have a huge social media life. never once had a facebook account. never have used facebook in my life actually.
i follow a few journalists/news sources, bobby lol, on twitter.
i don't understand your question.
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Socialism is slavery.
Socialism is slavery.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
I mean answer this one first.
P-nutz this one first....
Well...because you got served slo-pitch
"From the morningconsult.com vs the msm?"
How do you get to there?
*note* back in the early days of viva, some dude put a sweet baseball card of me pitching, definitely not catching.
We'll get back to the 40 years opo here in a minute.
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No Facebook sign up from
No Facebook sign up from myself or my wife.
No twitter
No instagram
Never
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
If Bernie is defeated in the
^ we also are never those pollutants as well
Hey pyramid, when Bernie is defeated in the dem primaries, think he'll go 3rd party in the general ? Go full Ralph Nader ?
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how do i get to there? what
how do i get to there? what are you asking me man?
^^of course not. he'll endorse and stump for the establishment dem like he did in 2016.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
morningconsult.com vs the zillions that watch msm.
strategy?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
Hi Ken & Turtle,
Hi Ken & Turtle,
"freeze COLA for one year" does not mean "cut".
sorry, but math is hard, I guess, even for internet lawyers and such.
Still waiting for blair to tell me how I lied.
Does questioning blair/pyramid and asking for proof imply that I lied?
Are you insane?
Maybe we should ask lawyer Ken:
I asked blair/pyramid for evidence that Biden has advocated cutting social security for 40 years.
I'm not a lawyer, Ken, but the literal meaning of that sentence is that each and every year, Biden advocated for cutting social security.
For support of blair's statement, Blair and Ken provide evidence that Biden asked for a on-year freeze in 1995.
Got anything else Ken?
Anything else, Blair?
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^you've become what you hate.
^you've become what you hate. even your pz handle is trump influenced. get a grip man.
nice edit/melt, weird steve.
i feel like this is giving off some bluelight level weirdness now......sheesh.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
"biden is on record for 40
>>> "biden is on record for 40 years attempting to cut SS"
2020 - 1995 = 25, not 40.
unless you are very bad at math.
p.s.
a 1995 indication of support for a one year freeze is not evidence of "on record for 40 years attempting to cut SS".
Unless you are insane.
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https://www.instagram.com
https://www.instagram.com/joebiden/?hl=en
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
https://m.facebook.com
https://m.facebook.com/amyklobuchar/
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
https://mobile.twitter.com
https://mobile.twitter.com/ewarren?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eser...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
Got no time to hate.
Got no time to hate at all.
I love everybody, even folks who are bad at math.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Stop attacking him...
>>> you've become what you hate. even your pz handle is trump influenced. get a grip man <<<
Stop attacking him...
Can you answer anything?
Generally when a person can't, they just try and attack through insults etc....
If you're representing a candidate you want us to vote for in the primary?
Maybe try a factual approach?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
well, you're on record here
well, you're on record here as denying facts.
just b/c you refuse to acknowledge them, doesn't mean they're not true.
you sound like trump.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Racketinmyhead
https://www.instagram.com
https://www.instagram.com/streetpeopleoflosangeles/?hl=en
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Still no answers, just
Still no answers, just whatevs...
The 40 years of opo research of bernie will get discussed and you will continue to squirm.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
haha ok guys.
haha ok guys.
damn thod, i thought you were better than this.
all the facts are above -- feel free to read them whenever you'd like to come back to reality.
and thod i'm sorry, i can't refute bernie going on a honeymoon in the 80s. fuck. the campaign has nothing to hide -- unfortunately you're too stupid to see through the nonsense you post.
like i said in the other thread, maybe we should just pick this on 2/11? earliest 2/3?
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Racket wants you to know he
Racket wants you to know he donated to the Democrats in Los Angeles County.
He's Adam Schiff's biggest supporter.
https://www.instagram.com/repadamschiff/?hl=en
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for our resident fact deniers
for our resident fact deniers, weird steve and thod.
corruption won't beat trump in 2020.
https://theintercept.com/2019/10/09/joe-hunter-biden-family-money/
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<I feel like this is giving
<I feel like this is giving off some bluelight weirdness
Dave Gilmour - Blue Light Live (The Tube 30.03.1984)
https://youtu.be/-l4oRIehCr4
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Yeah, you can't refute it and
Yeah, you can't refute it and it's gonna get a lot harder in the days ahead.
Inside Bernie Sanders’s 1988 10-day ‘honeymoon’ in the Soviet Union
May 3, 2019 at 6:00 a.m. EDT
Bernie Sanders was bare-chested, towel-draped, sitting at a table lined with vodka bottles, as he sang “This Land Is Your Land” to his hosts in the Soviet Union in the spring of 1988.
The just-married socialist mayor from Vermont was on what he called “a very strange honeymoon,” an official 10-day visit to the communist country, and he was enthralled with the hospitality and the lessons that could be brought home.
“Let’s take the strengths of both systems,” he said upon completing the trip. “Let’s learn from each other.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-bernie-sanderss-1988-10-d...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sycamore Slough
It is all a TV show and you
It is all a TV show and you can only have your fun watching TV and making noise, but you can't really do anything about it.
You can watch "Brady Bunch" reruns all day and think that your opinions will change how it works out, but it's already done.
The episodes were filmed long before they went on TV.
You have the option to fight amongst yourselves over Original Coca-Cola vs. New Coca-Cola, but the Boxing ring is limited to tiny dualistic choices.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Johnny D
Impressive one day thread
Impressive one day thread count!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
Racketinmyhead on Monday,
Racketinmyhead on Monday, January 20, 2020 – 08:51 pm
Socialism is slavery.
nice to see Racket join the conversation.
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P-nutz is this true?
Those damn surrogates again.
P-nutz is this true?
Sanders apologizes to Biden for surrogate's op-ed alleging he has a "big corruption problem"
Des Moines, Iowa — Senator Bernie Sanders apologized to former Vice President Joe Biden on Monday for an op-ed written by one of his campaign surrogates that claimed Biden has a "big corruption problem."
"It is absolutely not my view that Joe is corrupt in any way. And I'm sorry that that op-ed appeared," Sanders told CBS News.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-apologizes-to-joe-biden-for-...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
>>>>you can't refute it . .
>>>>you can't refute it . . . .Bernie Sanders was bare-chested, towel-draped, sitting at a table lined with vodka bottles, as he sang “This Land Is Your Land” to his hosts in the Soviet Union in the spring of 1988.
If its on tape, can't see Bernie trying to refute it. He will probably quickly admit he did that, make some dry joke, and move back to the more important questions at hand. It might turn off a few old and/or extremely conservative people, but those folks would not vote for him anyway. Still, it is a potential liability going into a general election where every swing state vote counts.
However, reality is that Bernie, although not a perfect candidate, is only one of a small handful of other contenders left standing. In all likelihood, it be him or Biden, Warren, or Mayor Pete. All four have serious issues that the other side can easily and painfully exploit. Biden is out of touch and close to senile, Warren lied about her ethnic heritage and comes across as a nagging librarian, Pete is smug and inexperienced, and Bernie is a crazy old socialist.
But the one thing Bernie has going above the others is honesty and integrity. Doesn't mince words and see what you get. Lord knows that is what attracted a lot of people to Trump (who is obviously not "honest" and has no "intergity" in the traditional sense, but is a no filter, political outsider who doesn't care what people think). Bernie just might be the right person at the right time to win this regardless of his actual political platform or wild nights with Daniel Ortega back in the 1980s.
>>>>>You can watch "Brady Bunch" reruns all day and think that your opinions will change how it works out, but it's already done.
You might be right. Anyway, the primary could be all be wrapped up by Super Tuesday and threads like this will be moot. If not, we might be looking at a contested convention.
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In addition to the post above
In addition to the post above ^^
This didn't get any coverage the weekend right before the last debate
Sanders camp admits anti-Warren script was deployed in multiple early states
Sanders initially attributed the talking points to rogue staffers, and supporters launched an online campaign to convince people the document was fake.
DES MOINES, Iowa — The controversial talking points attacking Elizabeth Warren that Bernie Sanders' campaign deployed were given to teams in at least two early voting states on Friday, three Sanders campaign officials confirmed.
Volunteers and staffers used the script on Saturday while canvassing for votes, meaning the talking points were more official than what Sanders previously suggested after POLITICO reported on the language.
https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/01/14/sanders-admits-anti-warren-...
Once again, those rogue staffers.
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>>>>Bernie just might be the
>>>>Bernie just might be the right person at the right time to win this regardless of his actual political platform or wild nights with Daniel Ortega back in the 1980s.
This is what I was thinking in 2016 (well, I didn't know about any wild nights). Bernie got people excited. If he had been chosen as the Dem's representative in the Presidential race, it would've been populist candidate vs. populist candidate...
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(((jibberjabber>rabble)))
(((jibberjabber>rabble)))
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
thod you're so desperate lol.
thod you're so desperate lol.
i think bernie fucked up -- he caved to the pressure for some reason, bad move imo.
it's a fact biden is corrupt -- we all know this.
his team must make it clear to idiots like yourself the massive differences between the establishment and the working class movement.
bernie lacks that killer instinct that certain scumbags from the establishment have.
so just to be clear -- you're yelling about his honeymoon to russia, and the bernie side is picking out real policy differences between the candidates.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
It wasn't just that Bernie
It wasn't just that Bernie made a negative comment (Warren) or endorsed an op-ed against an opponent (Biden), its the way in which they were delivered - full blown republican party playbook filth. Stupid fuck can't get out of his own way. He should be ashamed. He should fold
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
again, pointing out joe biden
again, pointing out joe biden's corrupt record is a good thing -- i love how you think trump won't weaponize something as serious as biden's corruption.
trump may even get the popular against biden.
if you get mad at bringing to light bidens horrible record, then you should drop out.
ras -- was your head under a rock for the obama HRC war of 2008?
grow up ya big baby.
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^ you sound exactly like
^ you sound exactly like stump, you also should be ashamed for falling for the bullshit
Yer boy fucked up bro, no need for insults, just get ready to vote for the candidate not named Bernie
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haha that's all you have? i
haha that's all you have? i sound like trump? nah man, ignoring facts like what thod and weird steve have done is trump shit.
again, pointing out bidens record needs to happen. sorry it upsets you.
you sound like a republican by defending establishment dems that have a long history of taking corporate money, passed a bankruptcy bill that made it near impossible for borrowers to reduce their student debt, has taken millions from credit card companies, holds fundraisers hosted by health insurance, fossil fuel, wall st executives.
consistently corrupt. i guess you support that, typical.
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ras here's the corporate
ras here's the corporate media calling out biden on his corrupt record, just for you buddy:
just more facts you will hate for some reason -- be careful.
https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1219456934534840320?s=21
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now biden is lying abo it
now biden is lying about having been involved in the civil rights movement -- he has done this before as well.
https://twitter.com/organizingpower/status/1219456680821514241?s=21
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
This is exactly how I feel
This is exactly how I feel about it, directly from your twit link --
Replying to @shaunking and @JoeBiden
Unfollowing you man. We need to be united against Trump not divided amongst each other. You’re doing exactly what they want us to do. It’s pathetic you don’t see that
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yeah that's crazy, ras. that
yeah that's crazy, ras. that is weak and lazy thinking.
trump's got you by the balls (brain?) if you think pointing out these horrific flaws in a corrupt candidate is helping trump. jesus.
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remember when HRC leaked this
remember when HRC leaked this photo of obama in 2008?
i mean, suuuuper dirty at the very least :
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
^ what you talkin bout willis
^ what you talkin bout willis ? They're plainly discussing putting grips. Why you talking all this ancient shit anyway ? Is this what you do all day on the net, look for clues to nothing ?
C'mon bro face it, he gave himself mortal wounds, nobody else. Don't worry my friend we're all here to talk you down from that Bernie ledge.
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GOP Gang of Prisoners
GOP
Gang
of
Prisoners
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
pheater in a bubble, inside a
pheater in a bubble, inside a bubble, inside a bubble....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Are you guys telling me that
Are you guys telling me that there's dirty campaigning going on? Well, I never!
Let me throw this out there: anyone who wants to be POTUS, the most powerful person in the world, has a screw loose. They're all going to do some shady shit along the way. Carter is the one exception.
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Bernie won't be shredded by
Bernie won't be shredded by GOP for his honeymoon in Russia. LOL
His high tax strategy will. It's debatable whether the GOP would prefer to have Bernie or Biden as the opponent. But, I'd guess they'd prefer to face Bernie.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
>>>> Carter is the one
>>>> Carter is the one exception.
He did admit to committing adultery in his mind. He also said he would "Whoop his ass" about Ted Kennedy.
But back to Bernie, here is a headline today on Fox News:
"Hillary Clinton unleashes on Bernie in new documentary: 'Nobody likes him'"
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/clinton-bernie-in-new-documentary
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you guys having fun today?
you guys having fun today?
ned you're very out of touch w/ the political world.
anyway, HRC out w/ the fangs today -- what a miserable person. she won't even commit to endorsing/campaigning for bernie once he secures the dem nom. trash. remember bernie did 40 events for her in 2016.
HRC trashing bernie just makes the movement stronger.
good stuff, centrists. keep melting (ras, ned, thod).
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Come the convention if bernie is ahead, he'll expect Warren to give him her delegates.
BUT if Warren is ahead, bernie will expect her to give him her delegates.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
the funny part is you think
the funny part is you think warren can actually win the nomination.
she's done.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
I'm running at a cool 2.1
I'm running at a cool 2.1 today heater. You're a mess.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
thanks, ned.
thanks, ned.
you're talking about his honeymoon. you sir are a mess.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Yea your reading
Yea your reading comprehension is bad. lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
or was it thod?
or was it thod?
bernie is offering a massive middle class tax break.
you don't know this?
is your reading comprehension bad as well?
detailed policy that only centrists would muddy and smear as increases -- which you have posted on here. you're lying or stupid. which one?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
This is only 1988 man.
This is only 1988 man, if you don't think the shit they got on him will destroy him...
This is just the start.
Bernie's mystery Soviet tapes revealed
Unseen by the public for three decades, a POLITICO reporter views hours of footage from his 1988 'honeymoon' to the USSR.
Sanders’ opponents, though, will likely find much in the tapes to call outlandish. And in a campaign season in which Democrats are concerned about nothing more than defeating President Donald Trump, there’s plenty of material that Democratic voters might worry the Republican Party could spin into a 30-second negative ad.
Sanders is seen living it up with Russians. There are, naturally, shrines to Lenin everywhere. In one scene, Sanders and his wife, as well as other couples, boogie to live Russian music. “I brought my special dancing shoes!” Sanders exclaims.
Later, he tells a Russian man, “I’m not very happy about this, but there are not many people in the state of Vermont who speak Russian. In fact, one of the things that we want to do is to see if we can develop a Russian studies program in our high school.”
At another point, one of Sanders’ hosts jokingly warns the delegation to not upset the KGB: “Those who don't behave move to Siberia from here."
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/17/bernie-sanders-mystery-soviet-...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
thod, you're foaming at the
thod, you're foaming at the mouth man.
how crazy is it that HRC hates bernie more than trump.
she spoke worse of bernie than harvey weinstein. incredible.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Apparently, she's not the
Apparently, she's not the only one.
I'm afraid we're gonna hear more about just how liked he really is in the near future.
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>> bernie is offering a
>> bernie is offering a massive middle class tax break. <<
Yea, that doesn't pass the sniff test. You can't make health-care free for all, erase all student debt, and cut taxes for the middle class. I would expect a tax increase if my benefits increase. Just speak the truth, BernieBros.
Oh, and everyone knows it will never get through congress.
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of course, he's the front
of course, he's the front runner. this shit is expected.
what happened to party unity? lol.
harvey weinstein? hrc is sick.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
^ this
>>> Oh, and everyone knows it will never get through congress <<<
This
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
ned you just can't think for
ned you just can't think for yourself. you literally told us that yesterday.
good little centrist.
sniff test. jesus christ.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
>>> what happened to party unity? lol. <<<
He's not a democrat
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
>>>>>Come the convention if
>>>>>Come the convention if bernie is ahead, he'll expect Warren to give him her delegates.. . . BUT if Warren is ahead, bernie will expect her to give him her delegates.
Fair enough compromise. Hope they have that already worked out.
If we cut the military budget by only small fraction, we could wipe out student loan debts, pay for universal health care, and cut taxes for the middle class.
Yes and it is pretty sad when Hillary would rather have four more years of Trump than to swallow her pride and get behind a Bernie candidacy.
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Help me when I need it in
Help me when I need it in 2016 says Hillary Clinton but fuck you when you need it Bernie...
https://www.alternet.org/2020/01/hillary-clinton-blasts-bernie-sanders-n...
Centrist want to hand Trump 8 years.
Bernie is the only person who can beat Trump in rural America aka 97% of US land area is within rural counties Wake up!!
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For sure Ken.
For sure Ken.
he's the only candidate that says he'll do it.
hillary Clinton, nobody likes HER. Establishment trash.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Johnny D
Y'all better stop yer
Y'all better stop yer infightin' once a Dem candidate is chosen...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
lol thod.
lol thod.
show your true colors, buddy. trash, just like HRC.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
centrists would rather have
centrists would rather have trump than bernie.
2020!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Turtle's trash by your math,
Turtle's trash by your math, he did what he should after voting bernie (as I did) in the primary by voting Hillary Rodham Clinton in the general.
You do know she isn't running in the primary right?
So there's that.
P-nutz and the gallery will vote for the democratic nominee in the general.
I'm not worried about whether you think I'm trash. lol
But bernie has some real hard days ahead.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
>> ned you just can't think
>> ned you just can't think for yourself. you literally told us that yesterday. <<
OK BernieBot. lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sound and Vision
Hillary is still salty. Very
Hillary is still salty. Very unbecoming like her wardrobe.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
>>Bernie is the only person
>>Bernie is the only person who can beat Trump in rural America aka 97% of US land area is within rural counties Wake up!!
The data doesn't show this. Yesterday ogkb posted a graphic about who gets what numbers. Trump wins pretty readily among non-college educated whites. Only 33% of the entire population has even some college, and that number is lower in rural areas.
What data do you see that says he wins in rural America? I have yet to see anything like it. Sure, he may be the best candidate for rural America, but that does t mean they'll have vote for him.
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lol don't put words in my
lol don't put words in my mouth you bitch.
everybody i know listened to bernie and voted hrc in 2016.
it doesn't matter man, you have posted extreme links for months -- you have nothing other than bernie isn't a dem and he's been to russia whatever. for somebody that was pro bernie in 2016, you sure have a fair amount of hate for the guy -- stuff that only desperate talking heads would peddle. again, you can't think for yourself, b/c all you do is regurgitate corporate media talking points.
never once have you recognized what bernie has done for the democratic party. not that it matters, but it shows your true intentions.
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ned has to wait to see how
ned has to wait to see how the east coast votes before he knows who to vote for.
lol. incredible.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: eyes>too
Centrists would not prefer
Centrists would not prefer Trump over Biden. Centrists don't want to increase the federal deficit by $40 Trillion over 10 years under Bernie.
Centrists want to beat Trump and they know Biden has the best chance to do that. A majority fo voters do not want a socialist President.
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So you're trash for voting
>>> lol don't put words in my mouth you bitch.
everybody i know listened to bernie and voted hrc in 2016. <<<
So you're trash for voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Nice self
Just remember you brought up Hillary because she's an easy target and to deflect from the impending
40 years of bernie opo.
But no worries, no one else picked up on that, lol.
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damn thod, you're are fucking
damn thod, you're are fucking stupid. lol.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
I said I'm waiting to see who
I said I'm waiting to see who has the best chance to beat Trump before I cast my vote. I did NOT say I want to see who's winning.
C'mon man don't be such a dick. I will engage with you respectfully, but will be a dick right back if that's all you're capable of.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
>>> damn thod, you're are
>>> damn thod, you're are fucking stupid. lol. <<<
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
keep proving my point thod,
keep proving my point thod, you do everyday w/ your insane links/screen shots.
ned, i believe you came into this thread. like yesterday's, and started trolling me.
what's with centrists and distorting the truth when the facts are right in front of us?
bizarre.
the centrist republican smear tactics are in full force as we can see.
we got this for you guys -- all you have to do is vote bernie. do it for our country.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
trolling you? lol dude you're
trolling you? lol dude you're pathetic.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
whatever you'd like to call
whatever you'd like to call it?
look at your first post today. i don't mind at all, but wtf are you talking about?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Let's just make sure P-nutz and the gallery are up to speed with bernie.
In *the past week*, bernie's campaign has:
- tried to undermine Warren
- all but called her a liar
- lied about biden
- gotten caught
- been forced to apologize
Did I miss anything?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
he didn't lie about biden,
he didn't lie about biden, this is why you apparently miss a lot.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
Pyramidheat needs a timeout.
Pyramidheat needs a timeout. The insults are out of hand.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
hmm.
hmm.
this thread makes me feel more stupid than the other thread.
good work : ned, thod, and weird steve.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
((( Self-awareness )))
((( Self-awareness )))
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
jr why are you such a bitch
jr why are you such a bitch all the time?
i mean, like, going back a decade + .....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
deflect deflect deflect.
deflect deflect deflect.
at least i own up to my shit.
ned needs help choosing lol.
thid none of those are true except bernie stupidity apologizing for speaking the truth. damage done, he already melted your centrist face -- bad move imo. the truth hurts, and your bitch ass obviously can't handle it.
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Leave JR alone. He's finally
Leave JR alone. He's finally stopped soft trolling me (I think?).
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
My bubble reference is due to
My bubble reference is due to your complete ignorance regarding voter motivations this cycle. Just read through all of these different threads. The majority of voters just want trump out. Period. The aren't buying any 'movement' or revolution'. Most just want trump OUT.
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nedb did make a nice point
nedb did make a nice point the other day regarding publicly funded programs such as the post office. well done ned, meant to tell ya.
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yeah this is tapped out old
yeah this is tapped out old white man central.
no shit dude. lol.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
>>> he didn't lie about biden
>>> he didn't lie about biden, this is why you apparently miss a lot. <<<
Then why did he apologize turtle?
Sanders apologizes to Biden for supporter's attack
The apology came after several days of back-and-forth between the campaigns over a supporter's op-ed claiming Biden suffers from a "corruption problem."
CHICAGO — Sen. Bernie Sanders apologized Monday night for an op-ed written by a campaign supporter that argued former Vice President Joe Biden “has a big corruption problem.”
In an interview in Iowa with CBS News, Sanders said “it is absolutely not my view that Joe is corrupt in any way. And I'm sorry that that op-ed appeared."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/sanders-apologizes-biden-...
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^there he's lying. bernie
^there he's lying. bernie lies right there.
wake the fuck up, thod.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Elections are won/lost in the
Elections are won/lost in the middle. But, yea, keep on insulting everyone in the middle. Bueno suerte.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
so you've come into two
so you've come into two threads now firing shots. all good man. no need to beat around the bush.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Yea, I'm just trolling the
Yea, I'm just trolling the fuck out of you.....it's a message board, not your pulpit. Be prepared for responses, especially when you're wrong, presumptive, arrogant, insulting, and wrong again.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Facts: most of the country
Facts: most of the country isn't liberal. https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/compare/political-ide...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
he apologized for a staffer..
he apologized for a staffer...
i'd like zoner clayton above to expand on the socialism issue. people are scared of labels and words, i am concerned about it.
if bernnie doen't get it, i'll still stand by kohlbuchar (sp), as your moderate choice. at least she appears to have some integrity.
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absolutely.
absolutely.
but jesus you're just like thod.
you brought it up man. haha.
you said <<<>>>C'mon man don't be such a dick. I will engage with you respectfully, but will be a dick right back if that's all you're capable of.<<<>>>
and i pointed out you came in here and immediately started w/ the bs.
it's all above for everybody to see.
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It seems bernie's house once
It seems bernie's house once again is not on the same page to go all left-shark like that.
That was a pretty huge fuck up.
He definitely looks week.
But you know, those rogue staffers
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^ this guy
^ this guy
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of course, bk.
of course, bk.
also facts:
most of the country supports M4A, green new deal, federal min wage increase, removing corporate money from politics, free college.
this goes beyond liberal or conservative -- which is why bernie is the best candidate for this race.
he has the most diverse base, majority female, majority latino, broad appeal across the political spectrum, facts. overwhelmingly popular w/ african americans 40 and under, youth vote, independents, the most popular politician in the country, fact -- this is what it takes to defeat trump.
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I'm really starting to like
I'm really starting to like that Yang fellow. He's very far left of center. It's too bad that he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
you can't deny it ned.
you can't deny it ned.
are we up to 4.3 yet?
^i like some of what yang says as well -- specifically about drugs.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
BerBro talking points!! LOL
BerBro talking points!! LOL
Think for yourself pheater.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Good god where is the Mandy
Good god where is the Mandy Mirror when you need it.
Gaslight special in aisle 4.9+
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
haha you're a sad man, ned.
haha you're a sad man, ned.
you've been dismissed. release the caps lock button and go dig a hole.
straight triggered.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Meltier than thou....
Meltier than thou....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: eyes>too
Bernie sanders describes
Bernie sanders describes himself as a democratic socialist and says he is not afraid of the word.
Amy Klobuchar or Biden will attract moderate voters and many are afraid of Bernie's ideas and
$40 Trillion in new debt that he espouses.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
trump, the most unqualified
trump, the most unqualified candidate in modern history, the fake populist, beat your centrists in 2016.
why do you think now. 4 years later, the people that refused to vote for the centrist candidate will suddenly support biden, or (lol) klobuchar, who btw is polling at and has always been polling at around 2-5% ? that's insane.
his appeal towards more moderate/conservatives is that he's doesn't lie. like all the others. his record proves that. you don't think people are so sick and tired of GOP and Dem establishment politicians, that maybe that is part of why trump won in the first place?
what's scary is putting up a corrupt establishment dem against trump. can you say popular and electoral?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
People don't let P-nutz and
People don't let P-nutz and the gallery shame and fear monger you into voting for bernie.
Vote for whoever your heart desires in the primary, just vote blue in the general.
It really is that simple...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
>> why do you think now. 4
>> why do you think now. 4 years later, the people that refused to vote for the centrist candidate will suddenly support biden, or... <<
Answer: Because many in the middle said 'what the heck' to trump, an outsider, self-described swamp-drainer. Many of those voters were tired of the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clintons. Many of those same voters have decided trump is a dumpster fire, and will cast their vote against him.
You have been told the answer to this several times. Maybe you need to smoke a little less weed.
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Trump won because his
Trump won because his opponent was not popular with too many voters-her unpopularity is why Trump won because to many people
were not motivated to vote at al. That won't happen this year as far more people will go to the polls as in 2018 and defeat Trump.
We are looking for reasonable, pragmatic candidates who will undo Trumps idiotic policies and steer a course to deal with the deficit,
deal with climate change, gun control, environmental degradation, health care and the rule of law.
If you think the top Democratic candidates are corrupt than vote for Bernie and deal with Trump for 4 more years.
and
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Was there ever an Eyes>Other
Did the GD ever play an Eyes>Other One? I would like to hear it, if so. Maybe 1974?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
>>ogkb pyramidheat on Tuesday, January 21, 2020 – 02:55 pm
everybody i know listened to bernie and voted hrc in 2016. <<
Everyone except you?
>>>>ogkb pyramidheat on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 – 09:47 am
and ras -- i wrote bernie in on the 2016 ballot, in south philly. <<<<<
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san diego fall 73 and maybe
san diego fall 73 and maybe another one or two?
ned im not saying your answer is entirely incorrect -- everybody gets that. but you must stress the establishment candidate part -- trump holding the presidency isn't enough to motivate people in the absolutely necessary must win states needed to defeat trump.
again, that's lazy thinking and shows the disconnect you have.
i look forward to our discussion once bernie defeats trump.
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Being called Socialists by
Being called Socialists by people who curry favor with Communists is better than running Joe Biden and his son who took lobbying money for VP daddy. Trump will beat Biden just like HRC and you all can't see it again. Status quo keeps rich people winning that was true before Trump ran for office that why congress has done nothing for over a decade now for the most part.
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yeah i won't vote corporate
yeah i won't vote corporate dem any longer. did you forget? you've asked me only 1000 times.
biden
hrc
klobuchar
buttigieg
as i told you, i will vote for warren -- i just don't think she'll get the nomination.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
^ still at it, wow. How much
^ still at it, wow. How much coffee you go thru in a day bro ?
Hopefully you manage to get some shit accomplished in between lectures.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
How many times can you scream
How many times can you scream CENTRISTS in how May threads in one week?
Is your salary one dollar per insult ?
how do you define stable
and effective debating
and convincing cogent arguments while constantly screaming
I honestly don't know if I am a centrist btw or who I favor
We all need trump out
No one is perfect and politics ARE endless trade offs
more taxes of wealthy to pay for more public services YES
INCOME EQUITY must have more balance
what compromises end up with a balanced decision I may comment months later on my take
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
i go back to work soon so y
i go back to work soon so y'all won't be seeing my ass nearly as much.
thank god right.
and sorry, LLTD -- can you please post in english? i can't read psycho-babble.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Oaksterdam Dan
Centrist can attract people
Centrist can attract people who already vote...that's not enough to beat Trump
Sanders & Warren can attract large numbers of first time voter especially in rural area...That will beat Trump
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
ras id get high w/ you.
ras id get high w/ you.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Oaksterdam Dan
Ogkb centrists are more like
Ogkb centrists are more like republicans than progressives they like to shoot the messenger rather than deal with message.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
Lol
Lol
English is not your native language son, or did you got to trump's schools ..
you may be blind? Are you a republican?
go to work and have some good days
is there an insults anonymous chapter nearby?
Yeah I know you don't have a clue what the fuck I'm saying.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
Perhaps stop getting high?
Perhaps stop getting high?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
yeah i'm a republican, LLTD.
yeah i'm a republican, LLTD. haha.
will you smoke pure rock w/ me one day?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
<<<<<Centrist can attract
<<<<<Centrist can attract people who already vote...that's not enough to beat Trump>>>>>
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
>>>Centrist can attract
>>>Centrist can attract people who already vote...that's not enough to beat Trump>>>>>
Sanders turns off a portion of the democratic electorate
Biden turns off a portion of the democratic electorate.
You are voting for one or two Supreme Court Justices, who will serve 20-30 years.
Republicans understand this, and will unite around the candidate who gets the nomination.
Democrats, not so much.
187 federal appeals court judges have been appointed by Trump.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
sanders turns of
sanders turns of establishment dems.
sanders also excites an entirely new electorate to show up and vote.
centrists can't say that.
you need a movemnt to defeat trump.
sanders is the only candidate w/ a movement.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
My point, Pyramid, is whoever is the Democratic nominee should get your vote. A 6-3, 7-2 conservative majority on the Supreme Court will be a roadblock for the progressive agenda. A 20-30 year roadblock.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
< pure rock w/me one day
< pure rock w/me one day
Where they hung the jerk who invented work ? You bet
Big Rock Candy Mountains
https://youtu.be/W0hmLe0M4d4
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
fair enough.
fair enough.
but you can't deny that the democrats have been their own roadblock for progressive agenda -- which is why we are where we are.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
Ok.
But now it has to be blue, no matter who.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Oaksterdam Dan
Sanders got behind HRC in
Sanders got behind HRC in 2016 weather his supports did or not
HRC not returning the favor and I bet her supports won't be there for Bernie in 2020. New voters will cover there asses.
English teachers who cry grammar on message and comment boards are the biggest douche nozzles around
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
So Ned doesn't want any kind
So Ned doesn't want any kind of change... just wants trump out. Sounds like you want to get results without puting any work in. Kind of reminds me of Biden's campaign. That ideal wasn't good enough to win last election and it won't be good enough this time. If you want a change then you actually have to work for it and take action. To th r now Bernie is really the only candidate who's outing in that work and seeing the results. Biden's just sitting back like a fat cat thinking he is gonna ice skate to a presidency but it's just not going to happen that way
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but that's what they always
^^^but that's what they always say. so when do we break the habit of destroying ourselves?
b/c sanders is our best shot for many decades.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino
>>>but you can't deny that
>>>but you can't deny that the democrats have been their own roadblock for progressive agenda -- which is why we are where we are.
Sorry but Democrats aren't the problem Americans are...
Kevin Drum wrote: The reality of American political life is that 40% of people say they are conservative and 20% say they are liberal. That has held steady going back to 1996 with only minor variations. That means in any given election Republicans only need to attract 10% of independents while liberals have to attract 30% of independents.
It isn’t even close to a level playing field. Liberal politicians have to walk a tight rope of not pissing off their much smaller base while attracting enough moderates and independents to put them over the top. Republicans rarely if ever get punished for being too conservative by their base, and can usually attract a small part of the independents to make them competitive in most races.
That has left us where we are today with two choices - a radicalized “conservative” party and a moderate/conservative party. The only way to change anything is to convince the self identifying conservatives that the new Republican party doesn’t represent them anymore.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/conservatives-maintain-edge-top-ideolo...
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Is Kevin Drum ignoring
Is Kevin Drum ignoring gerrymandering and voter suppression?
Seems like it.
Rick Wilson probably appreciates that.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Racketinmyhead
>> did make a nice point the
>> did make a nice point the other day regarding publicly funded programs such as the post office.
yea, called them investments. Well when you get no return on your investments you should stop investing.
Bernie has some great YouTube videos from the early 80’s praising Ortega, Castro, etc. GOP will shred him.
Heater would you like me to link them for you? I can do the work for you.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino
>>>Is Kevin Drum ignoring
>>>Is Kevin Drum ignoring gerrymandering and voter suppression?
No he isn't. It's how Americans self identify. Gerrymandering and voter suppression make the problem of there being more self identifying conservatives than liberals even more of problem. The other problem is that liberals (see young people) don't vote.
None of that changes the fact that Democrats have to attract moderates to win. I wish it weren't so.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
>>> Well when you get no
>>> Well when you get no return on your investments you should stop investing.
Not everything is about Money.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
I am glad Hillary isn't
I am glad Hillary isn't afraid to speak her mind. Maybe she will get a cabinet position if Biden wins?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
I am glad Hillary isn't
You tell the weird Steve!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Racketinmyhead
post office lost 4 billion
post office lost 4 billion last year. Amtrak has operated at a loss since 1970, and you want your healthcare run by the govt also? Congratulations.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Woz
Bernie isn't getting the
Bernie isn't getting the nomination, relax people.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
is it centrist o'clock?
is it centrist o'clock?
nice little gathering.
remember woz -- vote blue no matter who.
(can you guys say that w/o laughing? be serious).
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
yeah because people losing
yeah because people losing their homes, life savings and becoming homeless because they can't afford to pay unregulated medical fucking bills.
so EVERY modern fucking country in the goddamaned fucking world can pay for health care but somehow we fucking can't?? keep lining pockets of corporations praying on the fucking sick and dying. shameful.
you got the country you deserve.
ps. thanks zoner clayton for your reply.
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bernie is the only dem
bernie is the only dem polling better than trump in a head to head in FL now.
all other candidates (centrists) are projected losing to trump in FL
by a +4 -- +7 margin.
sanders +6.
electability folks. we have to beat trump.
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i've seen all that shit,
i've seen all that shit, racket.
obama beat the muslim shit in 2008, this isn't anything. y'all just hate bernie. it's incredible.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
and by this fucking logic,
and by this fucking logic, just privatize the military!
they lose zillions of dollars.
deregulation and privatization of public essentials and infrastructure is the fucking goddamned fucking reason that negligent PG&E was able to let their shit go and burn down a whole fucking town. they are also not fixing their lines leaking methane into the fucking atmosphere because why?? they have no fucking monetary fucking incentive to do so.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Racketinmyhead
Damn I can almost see the
Damn I can almost see the tears through the screen, need a tissue? you should play the lotto. You have better chances winning the lotto, then Bernie the Messiah saving you.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Racketinmyhead
Is that 12 or 13 fucks in two
Is that 12 or 13 fucks in two posts? I’ll get another box of Kleenex.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
public ownership of utilities
public ownership of utilities.
i did the work for you racket, as always:
http://inthesetimes.com/article/22025/bernie-sanders-calls-to-seize-the-...
https://berniesanders.com/en/issues/green-new-deal/
now read and learn (although we both know you'll vote trump over bernie).
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
haves and have nots.
haves and have nots.
racket wants more homeless in his community.
keep licking the boots of your masters dipshit
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
free market for normal people
free market for normal people...
socialism for rich and corporations.
yeah, 'murca!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Racketinmyhead
We will just throw more tax
We will just throw more tax payer money at developers and non profits, while lining the ‘progressive’ politicians of ca pockets. that’ll solve the homeless problem!
We need another tax! That’ll surely make everything ok.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
joe biden has been arguing to
joe biden has been arguing to cut SS for decades.
fact.
“and i not only tried it once. i tried it twice. i tried it a third time. and i tried it a fourth time.”
-joe biden on cutting SS.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
I think, ogkb, the context is
I think, ogkb, the context is that he wanted to freeze spending on everything to achieve a balanced budget. SS was one of many things on the block.
Sure, the end result would have temporarily affected SS, but austerity measures are not quite the same as cutting SS on some philosophical grounds.
I'm not saying I agree with I what he wanted to do, but I'm also not going to portray it as a nefarious plot to cut SS.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Thought you might wanna see
Thought you might wanna see this P-nutz and the gallery.
bernie doesn't think biden is corrupt.
so in all fairness...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
biden is on record arguing to
biden is on record arguing to cut SS. it doesn't get more clear.
good job, thod. yes, bernie called and lied -- can you think for yourself, b/c it doesn't seem like you can.
facts are hard for thod.
https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/1219815261118902272?s=21
more facts from independent journalists about the biden corruption.
https://theintercept.com/2019/10/09/joe-hunter-biden-family-money/
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/21/while-establishment-erupts-...
https://www.democracynow.org/2019/3/14/the_case_against_joe_biden_how
https://www.democracynow.org/2019/9/27/ukraine_president_biden_investiga...
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Facts.
Facts.
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Never was stumpin' for biden.
Never was stumpin' for biden.
I've also made it abundantly clear that he's not my first pick, but you know that.
but damn, you just called your boy bernie a liar.
I'm just gonna assume that his denial about a woman not being able to be president was a lie also.
Yeah, he's not very likable.
#thinkingformyself
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that's one thing centrists
that's one thing centrists don't understand -- bernie can fuck up, and we call him out on it. like if bernie backed away from M4A i would never vote for him. why wouldn't we call him out?
i think the apology was a mistake, idk he's the pro tho. we'll see. strange fact, most of biden's supporters 2nd choice is bernie -- maybe there's a play there. but bernie lied about biden not being corrupt, yes -- b/c facts prove biden is corrupt. whether you choose to believe those facts is on you.
as far as your desperate reach about the warren woman thing -- of course bernie isn't lying -- his record proves that. come
on man. but again, believe what you have to man. of course bernie thinks a woman can become
presdident -- he's been advocating for that for decades. jesus. he ran in 2016 b/c warren wouldn't, he tried to get you girl
warren to run against HRC. what's wrong with you?
he's literally the most liked and popular politician in the country. literally. another fact.
what else you got?
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I bet work can't get here fast enough for you, you're limping around here exhausted.
Get some sleep.
No, really.
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hmm.
hmm.
b/c all the trash you post is refuted w/ facts.
take care.
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There you have it.
There you have it.
Bernie's a liar. From someone who knows.
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Not sure at what but he’s a
Not sure at what but he’s a pro.
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that's one thing centrists
many bernie supporters including myself call him out on his weak drug policy. he supports legalizing cannabis, but not legalizing and regulating other drugs, not even decriminalizing other drugs.
when he has been asked about legalization or decriminalization of all drugs or some drugs beyond cannabis, his response is; "im not there yet", meaning he knows deep down that legalizing drugs is going to happen, should happen, and will be looked back on by future generations as an obviously sorely needed reform, but for whatever reason, he's not ready to grapple with that quite yet.
it could be him showing his politician side a bit, as it may not be a popular opinion in the midst of the opiate crisis.
what i think is much more likely is that he, like many americans from his generation, have lived under the heel of the controlled substances act for so long, that the idea of legalization just seems to alien, that even though on paper its the obvious choice, there is alot of trepidation when approaching the issue.
i guess i can count myself lucky tho...i never would have believed during the bush years that one day id be able to vote for a mainstream political candidate whose biggest differences with my own worldview is that he doesnt want to legalize heroin.
FWIW tulsi gabbard is the only candidate in the race to come out in favor of legalizing and regulating drugs.
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Yang supports decriminalizing
Yang supports decriminalizing opioids. Not sure about other drugs, though.
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> it could be him showing his politician side a bit, as it may not be a popular opinion<
Coming out in favor of decriminalizing all drugs would answer the question of his electability.
>>but that's what they always say. so when do we break the habit of destroying ourselves<
Well, if Trump wins again there will be a chance for real change in about 25 years.
Evangelicals support Trump because they want to outlaw abortion. They will vote for him again because one more conservative justice should do the trick.
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bernie called out biden for
bernie called out biden for being corrupt and then apologized for it. lol. so in my opinion, which is backed up by facts, bernie did indeed lie.
biden is lying about not attempting/voting to cutting SS. fact.
bluest i only know from the information that is available for all public to read.
i agree w/ your post about bernie's weak drug policy, daylight.
at least he will federally legalize cannabis w/in 1st 100days.
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From Forbes Magazine:
Vermont Senator and Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders told Joe Rogan he would legalize marijuana by executive order in a podcast interview gone viral. The host of The Joe Rogan Experience was trending on Twitter on Wednesday thanks to his deep dive into a nuanced discussion about Sanders' policy proposals. But the presidential hopeful's plan to legalize marijuana by executive order is more complicated than it sounds.
Sanders has long supported federal marijuana reform, describing its classification as a Schedule I substance alongside heroin as "insane."
"You can argue the pluses and minuses of marijuana, but marijuana ain’t heroin. So we have to end [marijuana prohibition] and that’s what I will do," Sanders told Rogan. "As President of the United States, I believe we can do that through executive order, and I will do that."
So can the U.S. president really legalize marijuana with the stroke of a pen?
The short answer is: Yes, the president can issue an executive order to remove marijuana from the Controlled Substances Act (CSA). But the process of doing so is a complicated, bureaucratic affair.
"The president would have to use the order to direct his Attorney General to start the process, [and] the Attorney General then makes the request to the Department of Health and Human Services to undergo a review on whether or not the substance belongs on the list of scheduled substances," said Erik Altieri, executive director of National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, a cannabis advocacy group.
"After that review, the department would then report their findings back to the Attorney General who makes the final decision."
Historically, federal agencies like the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the Drug Enforcement Administration have maintained that marijuana belongs in the Schedule I category. But the nation's top law enforcement officer may not necessarily have to follow their guidance.
"[The Attorney General] must have autonomy to nonetheless alter the schedule despite such FDA determination, if 811 is to have any meaning at all," said David Holland, an attorney who was worked on cases challenging marijuana's Schedule I status.
Holland is referring to a federal law – U.S. Code 811 – that gives the Attorney General the power to "remove any drug or other substance from the schedules if he finds that the drug or other substance does not meet the requirements for inclusion in any schedule."
The Attorney General can then start an administrative rulemaking process to remove marijuana from the CSA.
Despite its dysfunction, legalizing marijuana through Congress might be easier than going through the executive branch. There are currently more than 60 marijuana-related bills in Congress now. Given that a majority of states have reformed their cannabis laws, Congress is feeling more pressure than ever to address the federal-state conflict on marijuana. Lawmakers are only getting more friendly to federal reform.
"Possibly more important than seeing the executive process through until the end, if a President Sanders were to make his intentions clear on this topic it would apply additional pressure on Congress to act," said Altieri.
Mona Zhang
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Trump has signed a shit ton
Trump has signed a shit ton of executive orders.
Many have ended up in the courts and have gone nowhere.
It's an extreme lofty goal and there will be that pesky issue of states rights.
Executive order is for show.
Congress is the best way to go.
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two person race w/ sanders at
two person race w/ sanders at the top, warren drowning.....
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/22/politics/cnn-poll-sanders-biden-january-n...
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Unfortunately the electoral
Unfortunately the electoral college decides, not polls.
Most people that have the littlest idea of how shit works, knows this.
That's also the msm, change of heart?
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wow, sanders is surging still
wow, sanders is surging still. strongest support among minorities -- besting biden by 3 points. that's called electability, thod.
warren is sinking fast.
get ready to fall in line, thod. we must defeat trump.
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These poles are more
These poles are more interesting and have more meaning.
But whatever floats your boat.
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that's inappropriate tod.
that's inappropriate tod.
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Okay mr fuck, fuck, fuck,
Okay mr fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck...
Do you have any more fucks to give? maybe just one??
Settle down, she got you worked up.
Now tell us why bernie is soft on gun control legislation...
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hahahahahahahhaha
hahahahahahahhaha
thod -- tell us why warren votes w/ the trump agenda?
i gotta say, this anti bernie shit really is making you look desperate. tough look man.
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>Now tell us why bernie is soft on gun control legislation<
From a rural state with lots of hunters?
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remember when keyshawn used
remember when keyshawn used to post pussy + pilsner glasses?
bernie's moderate gun record will get him rural votes. he represents vermont, remember?
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P-nutz I'm not a Warren
P-nutz, I'm not a Warren surrogate or anti-bernie, but I am anti-bullshit no matter who spews it.
So you tell me.
Just remember Bernie's top surrogate got the axe for lying...
Be careful, you might be next.
I'm hearing something about bernie voting against the Brady Bill 5 times, any truth to that?
No matter who the candidate is we need to know theses things about how they land on issues
such as gun control, especially when it's not getting any attention.
I believe if you google Warren's stance, you'll get right to it and good luck cherry picking, it shows she's got a plan.
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i don't cherry pick like you.
i don't cherry pick like you. facts only.
this is why bernie wins.
you can't answer anything. i am sorry.
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>>> he represents vermont,
>>> he represents vermont, remember? <<<
Maybe he should continue to represent Vermont because he soft.
We got a real gun problem in the United States and if he only panders to his voter contingent,
where's his backbone?
I live in a rural af area where everybody owns guns and they would never vote for a socialist, jus sayin'.
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so desperate.
so desperate.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
ok then nominate a centrist
ok then nominate a centrist dem that will tell them they are coming for their guns. why would that candidate win?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Because they're not a
Because they're not a socialist from Vermont?
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so all the gun nuts will vote
so all the gun nuts will vote for them?
you make no sense.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway
Here is Bernie Sander's
Here is Bernie Sander's voting records on gun control related issues since 1993 sourced from politifact.com
here is a clip from the joe rogan experience going over his current feelings on the matter and plans going forward for gun control - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8rnLBylKOs
sounds like he has a record of opposing gun control regulations that would impact hunters and recreational shooters, and supporting gun control regulation that more tightly restricts or bans things like assult weapons, high capacity magazines and concealed carry. that sounds pretty reasonable to me.
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y'all just going on and on in
y'all just going on and on in the conversation like "i think bernie voted against this" or "i dont know if he has any plans for that"
you guys realize that underneath this drug band message board lies the total sum of all human knowledge, right? look that shit up, dont speak in maybes and i thinks when the google search bar is right above you.
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No, I'm saying they won't vote for a gun supporting socialist from Vermont?
They will eat bernie's lunch on all the socialist pinko commie bullshit they through at him.
I don't believe that, but more than you care to admit, do.
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Here's the Politifact article
Here's the Politifact article daylight.
Btw you put a voting record up but it makes more sense to provide a link
because your record doesn't show this...
Here are his votes on key gun bills in his 25 years in Congress (bold reflects a pro-gun control position):
So if anybody wants to check it out?
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/10/generati...
Did Bernie Sanders vote against background checks and waiting periods for gun purchases?
Our ruling
An attack ad said, "Bernie Sanders voted against the Brady Bill -- background checks and waiting periods."
The Brady bill imposed a five-day waiting period for would-be purchasers of handguns. Between 1991 and 1993, Sanders voted against it five times. He did, however, vote for a version of the bill that imposed instant background checks, and against an amendment that repealed state background checks.
Experts noted Sanders’ votes were representative of Vermont’s gun owners and gun laws. Since the 1990s, his record on gun control is mixed.
We rate the ad’s claim Mostly True.
I'm just saying if you want to hold biden to a 1995 statement.
In all fairness, everybody should get called on their old shit.
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^nobody is saying otherwise
^nobody is saying otherwise wise. of course they should.
bernie has supported the assault weapons ban since the early 90s.
has a D- record w/ the nra.
biden is on record as recently as 2007 (if you don't count the 2018 piece) talking about SS cuts.
how come obama biden didn't ban the assault weapon in 2009?
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the voting record i posted
the voting record i posted does show he voted against the brady act, thats fine imo...it places a waiting period on legit gun owners who have passed a background check and leaves the gun show loophole open, the voting record also shows him voting yes on much more meaningful gun control legislation.
theres more folks on the left than you might think that support the second amendment.
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bernie has changed his stance since his last pro-gun vote in 2009.
My point is if you're gonna go drag up old shit, no matter who the candidate is like (biden 1995 statement)
Have your ducks in a row...
Otherwise you're just stirring the shit.
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you're so used to the run of
you're so used to the run of the mill political campaigns aimed at accomplishing nothing other than enriching that person's close circle, that bernie's genuine and honest campaign makes your brain hurt.
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It's hard for you to stay on point, so you attack me (albeit weak af).
smh
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..
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https://www.latimes.com
https://www.latimes.com/projects/venezuela-migration-crisis/?utm_source=...
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wow.
wow.
the centrists bs republican smears arent working too well this time.
i love how yang is pretty much tied w/ klobuchar, a sitting US senator and recent winner of the nyt editorial board endorsement lol. one that has doomed all centrist candidates going back to gore. nice.
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If Bernie wins the primary
If Bernie wins the primary and loses to Trump can we stop the 'you ran a shitty candidate' nonsense and open up our eyes to the actual state of our country? Or will we come up with another excuse as to why he didn't win?
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Good point Jonas.
Good point Jonas.
P-nutz, I was half hoping you'd give your campaigning a break, apparently not. smh
One of the big reasons obama won was because he had that brand new car smell, no baggage.
bernie has 40 years of it.
So does biden
The amount of shit (opo research) they got on bernie will be staggering and it's already starting to drop, but you'll cry lies, centrist are scared, throw up some polls, yadda yadda.
The fact is regardless of the polls the majority of the country don't align themselves with a "socialist".
I'm not scared of the word socialist but a shitload are and republicans will drill baby drill on that all day long.
That'll be the least of it
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good stuff guys. always if
good stuff guys. always if and when bernie loses.
thod bernie now being the solid front runner makes you post pure nonsense. we have two full threads of it.
ill give it a rest.
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>>> thod bernie now being the
>>> thod bernie now being the solid front runner <<<
And... that's why he'll be finally vetted by all journalists and media.
Bernie Sanders Once Compared Vermont Workers to Black ‘Slaves’
As the leading member of a self-described “radical political party” in the 1970s, Bernie Sanders repeatedly compared Vermont workers to enslaved black people.
In recent weeks, Sen. Bernie Sanders has criticized his rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination for having too much “baggage” to win the diverse coalition needed to defeat President Donald Trump in November. But as the Vermont independent tops national polls for the first time, newly unearthed baggage from his own decades-long political career could call his own past statements and judgment into question.
As the leading member of a self-described “radical political party” in the 1970s, Sanders repeatedly compared Vermont workers to enslaved black people, according to archival interviews obtained by The Daily Beast. In one 1976 conversation, Sanders told a local newspaper that the sale of a privately held mining company by its founders harkened back to “the days of slavery, when black people were sold to different owners without their consent,” and compared the service economy to chattel slavery.
“Basically, today, Vermont workers remain slaves in many, many ways,” Sanders said in another interview in 1977, in which he compared the burgeoning service industry in the nearly all-white state to the enslavement of black Americans at the nation’s founding. “The problem comes when we end up with an entire state of people trained to wait on other people.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-once-compared-vermont-worke...
Now tell me how much bernie is leading amongst the black voters, maybe show me poll? smh
bernie opo drop is just starting.
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of course they are coming
of course they are coming hard.
he wants to give people health care, college and stop bombing people.
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^My son and I were talking about Sanders' baggage and he believes that it's irrelevant. While I believe that many of Sanders' younger supporters will agree with my son, I am concerned about how older voters will react.
Pyramid, you can dismiss this as msm/Republican talking points, but a majority of the electorate is not young and liberal. These attacks have the potential of being quite damaging. I believe that Sanders should get out in front of this and talk about his past. If done well he might be able to provide context and nuance, explaining how his opinions and policies have been formed. Left to his opponents, Sanders will be painted as the second coming of Lenin.
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turtle, it's not because they're afraid of bernie and his ideas... It's because they know they can beat him.
Hence why trump/republicans have been saying how everything is so unfair to bernie.
Just because they go hard doesn't mean the opo should get disregarded.
Here's daily beast bias check who wrote that article about bernie above.
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pheater I listened to the '73
pheater I listened to the '73 San Diego yesterday. Haven't spun that one in a while. Good 'ol cosmic cowboy GD right there.
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An we all agree that Bernie
An we all agree that Bernie is, by far, the sexiest candidate in the race?
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Yep, says it right here.
Yep, says it right here.
Bernie Sanders, 78, has been dubbed “the Sexiest Politician Alive” by Glamour's magazine in its February 2020 issue out this week.
Within minutes of Bernie Sanders being announced as this year’s winner, it had become the top trending topic on Twitter:
“He is unquestionably handsome, he’s been smartly building his career on more than his looks,” wrote one fan.
“#Bernie Sanders being named THE Sexiest Man Alive makes his girlfriend the luckiest Woman Alive?” joked another one.
https://en.mediamass.net/people/bernie-sanders/sexiest-alive.html#
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right, ned. some of the best
right, ned. some of the best imo. classic.
thod regurgitates everything corporate media talks about everyday. haha it's hilarious.
i love how thod is now listening to donald like he is speaking the truth. crazy shit.
trump is straight up scared of going up against the only true populist in this race, and we all know it. his people know sanders beats them. they're hoping the centrists ruin bernie and prop up biden to lose to trump.
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" You will respect my naivety!!! " (in best eric cartman's voice)
- P-nutz
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^More hubris than naivety, IMO
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will you guys be mad when
will you guys be mad when bernie wins?
why are you against the working class movement? thod you support a candidate that has zero shot at the dem nom., let a lone beating trump. warren will not win michigan, wisconsin, pa, fl -- you really think she has a shot at winning? her campaign is over.
thod why are you listening to trump's tweets? haha
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No, not mad, just concerned about the general election.
You keep calling Sanders a populist, most of the electorate calls him a Socialist.
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>> No, not mad, just
>> No, not mad, just concerned about the general election. <<
Yup. Heater can't absorb the fact that people outside his well insulated bubble don't think like him. And, if they do, it's because they have been brain-washed by the MSM.
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Trump's the enemy and if he's going soft on bernie, why wouldn't you still watch your enemy?
unless you think it can help you...nah that couldn't happen.
Trump's sowing division, just another way he can win.
Just like last time, it works.
Divide and Conquer
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most of the electorate
most of the electorate supports m4a and gnd.
most people are concerned, no?
ned you keep saying that which just shows your centrist view and total disconnect from the politcal pulse of the country man.
the bubble you speak of you live in?
when bernie wins, will that finally convince you of his populist message?
strongest candidate against trump, swing states and all. incredible stuff we're witnessing.
and bernie is preaching unity -- which is why he's the most electable. look at his base. it's going to take a movemnt to crush trump.
only one candidate has that going for them.
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>> when bernie wins, will
>> when bernie wins, will that finally convince you of his populist message? <<
Ha, no. It will speak to the relative weakness of the field.
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>>trump is straight up scared
>>trump is straight up scared of going up against the only true populist in this race, and we all know it
Trump is too delusional to be scared of the potential candidates.
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^ true, but he definitely knows how to use one.
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>strongest candidate against trump<
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TOd that post above with the
TOd that post above with the naked woman was the best post I think you've ever had the zone. Kudos.
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The majority of the
The majority of the electorate has no idea what M4A really is, or whether they want it. Even if they do know, they don't understand what it all means for them. Sure, they want it, but not if taxes go up. Most aren't sophisticated enough to see that the savings come in other areas. The electorate is too easily swayed by rhetoric.
I guess that's why we have the Electoral College.
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Just like the majority of
Just like the majority of Americans like the ACA but dislike ObamaCare.
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obama care sucks.
obama care sucks.
the ACA was way better.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020
Interesting endorsement by NYT, as if it will sway anything....
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/19/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-elizabeth-w...
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latest nationwide poll-Biden
latest nationwide poll-Biden 30% and sanders 23%
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bernie up by 3 nationally in
bernie up by 3 nationally in latest poll.
bernie up by 4 in CA (most delegate rich state)
bernie up by 12 in NH
bernie in 1st in iowa
bernie polling best among independents
bernie in 1st in NJ (lumber you see that? late primary but wow.)
this is what we call electability, thod and ned.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Woz
Bernie = unelectable
Bernie = unelectable
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you're the same dude that
you're the same dude that said david nelson wouldn't play again...
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Pyramid - I bet in High
Brother Pyramid - I bet in High School you were voted, most likely to rely on charts
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i thought by now thod would
i thought by now thod would've poster 6 links explaining the aca and obamacare to me. lol. dammit.
i don't think so, ras.
im just excited bernie is doing well.
i don't give a fuck if it rubs you the wrong way.
and yeah, woz said nelson was gone for good -- that was such a strange post. what an asshole.
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Swing state polls are what
Swing state polls are what matters. Ca. and NY will go heavily Dem. whoever runs.
This week polls show:
Florida-Biden 42% and sanders 16%
North Carolina- Biden 31% and sanders 18%
Ohio-Biden 31% and sanders 20%
Pennsylvania Biden 31% and sanders 20%
Michigan Biden 27% and sanders 22%
Sanders will not beat Trump in these swing states like Biden will
You may not like the the way midwest folks vote but it's our reality!
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>>obama care sucks.
>>obama care sucks.
the ACA was way better
Please tell me you're kidding...please!
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Bernie Sanders is going
Bernie Sanders is going nowhere.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Richard Cranium
Bernie Sanders is going
Bernie Sanders is going nowhere.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
lots of out of touch
lots of out of touch centrists coming out to play.
hello!
and bk -- did i at least make you chuckle or cry?
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twitter thod, just like the
twitter thod, just like the corporate media....re-posting opinion tweets from randos....
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I reserved any emotion until
I reserved any emotion until I was sure.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
I reserved any emotion until
I reserved any emotion until I was sure.
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thod this is a good account
thod this is a good account for you to watch -- this guy was hardcore anti bernie in 2016 -- i mean the definition of it.
he has since come around b/c he knows only bernie beats trump. good stuff. his old HRC buddies have written him off lol.
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P-nutz and the gallery, maybe
P-nutz and the gallery, maybe you can explain why bernie with his war chest of cashish,
isn't advertising on the main street media about his m4a and gnd in order to get
the majority of the United States to understand how he can save us?
The majority of the US watches it.
Just seems like a no brainer.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
When did pyramidheat say he
When did pyramidheat say he was going back to work?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
>bernie in 1st in NJ (lumber you see that? late primary but wow.)<
Which poll are you referencing?
I only see this one and the Monmouth poll from September
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
oops -- that's the poll.
oops -- that's the poll. emerson.
yeah sanders down by 3. impressive imo.
and remember -- a vote for bernie in the primary is a vote to defeat trump (do the right thing, thod n co.)
a centrist throws trump another term.
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My lord, ogkb, the way you
My lord, ogkb, the way you interpret data is nuts. The data you posted above shows how petty Bernie and Yang's supporters are. "If it's not my guy, fuck you!"
The data only shows that the supporters of the candidates more in the center will cast their votes for any nominee. A more fair extrapolation would be that Bernie supporters are willing to give Trump 4 more years because they are butt hurt bitches.
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So, half of the BBs say they
So, half of the BBs say they won't support the nom. if it's not Bernie.
Idiots.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Well, 31% say it depends on
Well, 31% say it depends on the nominee, but who would they get behind? Not Warren.
The Yang supporters are the crazy ones. 42% will only vote for Yang. That's nuts.
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that's one way of looking at
that's one way of looking at it, bk.
and surf, there's nothing more idiotic than voting for a centrist in the primary and thinking a centrist will beat trump in the general -- after trump defeated the most qualified centrist of all time. so embarrassing, i know.
and the BB thing just shows your lack of knowledge about bernie's base. it's ok, you're old and out of touch. nice and safe.
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More charts !
More charts !
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
How on Earth are you so
How on Earth are you so cocksure that only a progressive can win?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sound and Vision
Pheat- the last chart you
Pheat- the last chart you posted indicates a little over half of Bernie's supporters would still vote for the Democratic nominee even if it is not Sanders. Just doesn't seem right if we're trying to oust Trump.
Earlier you said you won't vote corporate dem any longer. Still true if Bernie doesn't get the nomination?
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I hate to be nihilistic, but
I hate to be nihilistic, but it doesn't matter. Trump is going to win again, regardless of who the Dem nominee is. I don't think that any of them beat him in the GE. He hasn't even started campaigning in earnest yet, and that's where he shines.
It's fucking disgusting. Trump has a 42% approval, half the country wants him removed, he has been impeached, and he'll still win. Yay 'Merika!
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i'm not sure man. defeating
i'm not sure man. defeating trump will be incredibly difficult -- i don't know that bernie will defeat the guy, i just know bernie gives us the absolute best chance; while a centrist this run, will not only lose to trump again, but potentially lose the popular as well.
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>>> i don't know that bernie
>>> i don't know that bernie will defeat the guy <<<
Maybe he needs to start running ads on the msm so the majority of the country can understand his ideas.
Otherwise, he's just crazy bernie the socialist.
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I think that Bloomberg has a
I think that Bloomberg has a decent chance. The problem is that he's a Jewish billionaire, which won't play well in middle America. Of course, Bernie is a Jewish Socialist, which also won't play well. Between the two, they hit every anti-Semitic trope out there.
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bloomberg? sigh.
bloomberg?
sigh.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
bloomberg is a piece of shit.
bloomberg is a piece of shit.
That being said, he also has a strong msm game.
Where's bernie's?
P-nutz has been running around here claiming how much bernie's taken in for donations, why isn't
he using it to educate the masses?
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i'm not sure.
i'm not sure.
they could use a few lessons.
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Turts, I'm not saying that I
Turts, I'm not saying that I support him, just that he has a chance. He is, without a doubt, the only "anti Trump" candidate running, and his ads are slamming Cheeto.
Trump's only motivations are money and power, and that's what he respects. Bloomberg has more money than God, and he has power and influence. Trump has weak ammo against Bloomberg.
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>> Maybe he needs to start
>> Maybe he needs to start running ads on the msm so the majority of the country can understand his ideas. <<
NO no no....the strategy is having people like p'heater spread the word converting Centrists to join the Mooovment. (( LOL ))
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thomas O' Bagenhammers
Even Obama knows it's lunacy
Even Obama knows it's lunacy to nominate Bernie.....
Obama feels Sanders is unfit to battle Trump – and he has told people he might say so publicly
The people who spoke on the condition of anonymity say Obama's preference had always been to lay low through the primaries aside from making some broad comments as he did in November of last year when, according to a report in The New York Times, the former two-term president, best known for expanding the size of government and his eponymous health care mandate, appeared genuinely worried about some of the increasingly leftist proposals being touted on the campaign trail from Sanders, the US senator from Vermont, and to some extent, Elizabeth Warren, the US senator from Massachusetts.
"The average American doesn't think we have to completely tear down the system to remake it," the Times quoted Obama, who was speaking at a gathering of Democratic donors.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/obama-feels-sanders-is-unfit-to-bat...
Which is pretty funny coming from the guy who tried to get to single payer via ObamaCare.
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I guess the other day a
I guess the other day a reporter asked Bloomberg, "If you get the nomination, how will voters react to having 2 billionaires in the race?"
Bloomberg responded, "Who's the other billionaire?"
That shit must eat at Trump to the core, lol!
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Step out, Thom. The people of
Step out, Thom. The people of Delaware pay 87% of your health insurance, and I'm sure you're on the Highmark Comprehensive with no deductibles. You have no idea what health costs do to people. Why? You're already on a government funded Cadillac plan.q
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
Why doesn't Bloomberg use
Why doesn't Bloomberg use that money he is spending on campaign ads to instead pay off the outstanding fines owed by convicted felons in Florida which is needed to restore their voting rights?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felon_disenfranchisement_in_Florida
10.43% of the Florida population is disenfranchised
1,686,318 total Floridians are disenfranchised.
Florida has the most disenfranchised citizens in the United States.
Florida has the highest disenfranchisement rate in the United States.
23.3% of black voters in Florida can’t vote because of felony disenfranchisement.
Of course, people would cry foul and say that Bloomberg is buying the election, but if he has no real chance of getting the nomination, it would seem to be a far better use of his money.
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I'm self-employed (aka Fucked
I'm self-employed (aka Fucked).
I pay over $1k per month for a plan that will provide a 80/20 co-pay after meeting a $7k deductible. No benefits whatsoever until I cross $7k deductible. It's fucking stupid.
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centrists all worked up today
centrists all worked up today, eh ned? remember man, you live in colorado which will go bernie in the primary overwhelmingly, hows it feel living in your centrist bubble out there?
hey look it's thom lol.
omg can you imagine if bloomberg ran against trump. wow. record low turnout, worse than HRC.
how come y'all can't see the excitement bernie creates? bringing new people in who have never voted is what will beat trump. getting people to show up will beat trump. getting the youth to vote will beat trump. only bernie excites those people.
to keep running centrists and losing is crazy. same candidate, same result.
obama was different b/c he ran on progressive policy -- which is why the idiots were saying what thod is saying --"just wait until the genral when mccain starts calling him a socialist".
didn't work out too well for mccain -- obama got people to show up, which is what bernie will do. he'll get the youth to vote -- poll #'s are a glimpse at that. like 43%of college kids supporting bernie, the 2nd best is warren at 21%. that's nuts.
go down the list : black, hispanic, asian, woman, men, even white college students strongly prefer sanders. it's not even close.
i mean, how can you expect working class people to continue to vote for establishment dems when they simply don't give a fuck about anything other than increasing their own worth and that of their corporate masters?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
>> centrists all worked up
>> centrists all worked up today, eh ned? <<
Speak for yourself, clown.
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my dad ended up retiring a
my dad ended up retiring a few years early due to some company drama, and there were a couple years where he had to buy his insurance outright before he could qualify for medicare, and he had about the same kinda payments. he didnt even have a job, and his investment etc income still put him in a bracket that gets no subsidy or discount...i think he was paying $800 a month.
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agreed, ken. bloomberg has no
agreed, ken. bloomberg has no chance of winning anything lol.
so many options. what about all the corroded lead pipes in NJ and NY carrying people's drinking water. fucked up.
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He's only got $60 billion.
He's only got $60 billion. You can't expect him to solve all the world's problems.
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>> how come y'all can't see
>> how come y'all can't see the excitement bernie creates? bringing new people in who have never voted is what will beat trump. getting people to show up will beat trump. getting the youth to vote will beat trump. only bernie excites those people. <<
So delusional it's kinda scary.
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yeah that's what i'm saying
yeah that's what i'm saying about you.
and you want to run a centrist, again, to lose. again.
you can't even figure out who to vote for lol -- you need people to tell you. wtf is wrong w/ you?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
^ yea, that's not true, and
^ yea, that's not true, and fuck you for continually insulting me and others here with your condescending bullshit.
I just might end up voting for bernie in the CO primary. I'm fully capable of making my own decision based on my own research etc. Good god you're toxic.
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good job, asshole.
good job, asshole. think outside your centrist bubble, the majority of CO will.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Can you imagine the msm's
Can you imagine the msm's conundrum if Bernie wins? It's all fake news against Trump, and to them Bernie is a persona non grata.
Fuck it, Bernie and Trump can fight it out in the alt media world, and the msm can try something new and novel, reporting the news of the world.
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lol, yeah listen to obamma
lol, yeah listen to obamma thom.
he is part of the status quo neo-con world like the rest of them.
at least bernie can yell louder then trump and verbally hammer back better than any other dem candidate.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway
idk, bernie has been pretty
idk, bernie has been pretty reserved when attacked in the primary...he needs some of that tulsi fire
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
<at least bernie can yell
<at least bernie can yell louder then trump and verbally hammer back better than any other dem candidate>
Hahaaaaaaaa yeah, in a crazy old uncle kind'a way.
Bernie and Larry David, a coupl'a Brooklyn Jews seperated at birth. Both totally funny as they're being deadly serious, but Bernie has the more annoying drawl, worse hair, with more made up words and hand gestures
Unelectable but damn I love him
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
if you think bernie is
if you think bernie is unelectable, you are not paying attention. that's a fact.
yang is beating two establishment dems in the new national poll -- buttigiege and klobuchar, who the nyt endorsed haha.
a sitting US senator and mayor. and before booker and harris dropped out, he was consistently polling better than 4 establishment dems and 3 sitting US senators. that's incredible.
ras wake up man.
and bernie would absolutely destroy trump in the debates. trump may not even debate bernie, he knows.
but throw biden up there -- trump salivating at the opportunity.
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<defeating trump will be
< i don't know that bernie will defeat the guy
Whaaaaaaaat, I can't believe you would even whisper such bernie blasphemy. Hahaaa is that a chink in your armour ? Bout time you woke the fuck up man.
< i just know bernie gives us the absolute best chance
I spoke too soon. Yer cuckoo head still firmly implanted in Sanders ass
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Serenade to a Cuckoo (2001
Serenade to a Cuckoo (2001 Remaster)
https://youtu.be/bq4bponfj2E
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>>>Which is pretty funny
>>>Which is pretty funny coming from the guy who tried to get to single payer via ObamaCare.
Yeah what a crazy fucking idea that would be - personally I love that the US of A is grouped with Sub Saharan African countries and those forward thinking dudes in the Caucuses. 
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
Who hates bernie more,
Who hates bernie more, centrists or trumpers?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
"After nine days of voting,
"After nine days of voting, the membership of our union has moved decisively to endorse Senator Bernie Sanders for President of the United States in the 2020 Primary Election. Members from all 17 of our locals, chapters, and associations participated, and Sen. Sanders carried the election with 66% of all ballots cast"
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This guy also endorses bernie
This guy also endorses bernie, red pill Joe Rogan
Bernie Sanders’ Embrace of Joe Rogan’s Endorsement Sparks Backlash—and a Backlash to the Backlash
Rogan’s use of gay slurs and position on trans issues incensed some, while others were just happy Sanders might benefit from his fan base.
Bernie Sanders’ embrace of an endorsement by Joe Rogan drew instant criticism from some corners of the transgender community because of the podcast host’s use of gay slurs and position on trans issues.
Like many Twitter-centric controversies, the debate quickly blew up and then became circular, with Bernie foes jumping on the bandwagon—and other Democrats fuming that the uproar was another example of left-wing self-sabotage.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-embrace-of-joe-rogans-endor...
Who cares as long as bernie gets Rogan's fan base vote, right? smh
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
fuck off.
fuck off.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
fantastic endorsement. will
fantastic endorsement. will help immensely.
thod you are very stupid. right on queue.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway
theres plenty of rogan/bernie
theres plenty of rogan/bernie fans. joes positions on trans people in sports is reasonable, and i could care less about a comedian using slurs. lets get healthcare for all, end the wars, make a serious attempt at climate change...im supposed to care about twitter outrage over one of the biggest media personalities in the world endorsing our best chance at getting that done because he's said 'fag' a few times and thinks people who went thru male puberty and all the hormonal/body changes that go along with it shouldnt be able to beat the shit out of biological women and call it equal competition? get real.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
>> joes positions on trans
>> joes positions on trans people in sports is reasonable<<
Does one need to have an official position on this?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
because this doesn't matter?
>>> fantastic endorsement. will help immensely.
thod you are very stupid. right on queue. <<<
because this doesn't matter?
Google it, it's everywhere, pick your source.
Do his people vet anything?
FFS
Human Rights Campaign weighing in on Joe Rogan endorsement of Sanders: "The Sanders campaign must reconsider this endorsement and the decision to publicize the views of someone who has consistently attacked and dehumanized marginalized people."
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
https://youtu.be/TLrPLgUx0Hc
https://youtu.be/TLrPLgUx0Hc
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
which endorsement is bad, centrists?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Is the woman in the pic above
Is the woman in the pic above Joe Rogan endorsing bernie in the democratic primary?
It's pretty clear bernie dgaf who endorses him as long as he gains a vote.
He didn't have to accept it and the endorsement wasn't vetted at best.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
i don't know, she hates
i don't know, she hates bernie more than trump and she said she's not ready to go there yet. then she tried to save face after her centrists friends were criticizing her for those comments. so who knows?
what a despicable human, right?
but you can't answer the question...
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IDGAF about hillary bish...
This ain't about her, but it's entertaining to watch you deflect with your bernie love.
You're cool with bernie accepting Joe Rogan's endorsement, I get it. smh
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attacking the most honest
attacking the most honest human running, the one candidate that will work for us, w/ bs smears generated by the establishment, says a lot about you man. keep going.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
“You feel like looking
“You feel like looking Hillary square in the eye and asking, ‘What the hell are you doing?’ ” said one Democrat who has worked on presidential campaigns. “Donald Trump is president. Bernie on a bad day would be better than Trump on his best day. We need to win.”
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very strange thod supposedly
very strange thod supposedly voted bernie in 16 primary.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
https://www.snopes.com/fact
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-clinton-with-jeffrey-epstein/
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
The point is not the
>>> very strange thod supposedly voted bernie in 16 primary. <<<
Yep I did, but a lot of shit has came out about him since 2016.
And...
I'm afraid there's a shit ton more coming.
The point is not the endorsement, it's the fact bernie accepted it.
bernie will continue to get dinged up on all sorts of shit.
With no msm presence with ads talking about all the good he'll do.
All people will here is the negatives being reported and that's a problem mathematically.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
the establishment attacks are
thod what has come out in 3+ years for you to call him sexist, etc.?
the establishment attacks are helping bernie.
centrists are unintentionally helping bernie.
its fucking hilarious.
shit isn't gonna work this time -- people see through it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Anybody that's been paying a
Anybody that's been paying a lil attention?
Google's your friend.
It's the msm that's got it in for bernie, but it's helping him.
- P-nutz
Helloooo earth 2
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
lol such a little follower
lol such a little follower that can't think for himself.
you voted bernie in 16 b/c it was cool.
now you hate him b/c the establishment says to as he could win now.
that's what your posts say to me. super weird.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
Tod, please shut the fuck up.
Tod, please shut the fuck up. You're making the centrists look bad.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
>>> you voted bernie in 16 b
>>> you voted bernie in 16 b/c it was cool. <<<
Sorry kid, that's just not true.
He was going against hrc, so it was a no brainer.
Much better choices this time...
So no bernie in the primary for me.
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New shit has come to light!
Hahahaha
New shit has come to light!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
for fuck sakes bernie, vet your goddamn endorsements before running ads about how great it is.
More stuff on Joe Rogan...
Joe Rogan’s Bernie Endorsement Draws Outrage As Clip Surfaces Comparing Black Neighborhood to ‘Planet of the Apes’
In addition, a clip of a 2013 Rogan podcast has begun to circulate, in which he talks about going to see a “Planet of the Apes” movie in a black neighborhood. He tells his co-hosts that the driver assured him that the film was playing in a “good neighborhood.”
“We get out, we’re giggling, ‘We’re going to go see Planet of the Apes,’ We walk in to Planet of the Apes. We walked into Africa,” Rogan says in the clip.
But the fuller context of the video is no better.
“Dude. We walked in the door, and there was no white people. There was no white people,” Rogan continued, before adding, “Planet of the Apes didn’t take place in Africa, that was a racist thing for me to say.”
“But you see what I’m saying,” Rogan continued, as another man in the video cracked, “Flies automatically stuck to your head.”
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/joe-rogans-bernie-endorsement-draws-ou...
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Thod I dont typically read
Thod, dont typically read what you post, just wanted to pop in to agree w. whoever said you are just kinda an embarrassment lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Stick with your youtubes kid, it's more your scene.
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Sick man sick sick sick.
Sick man sick sick sick. Whatever you just posted probably totally refutes what I also previously said. Sick.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
The Bernie-Rogan story is
The Bernie-Rogan story is second from the bottom on the CNN app. It's a nothing story on a news app that has nothing.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
One hour ago
Again it's shit like this that will reach more people who pay attention to the msm, than his m4a and green new deal.
Unforced error 3 in 10 days.
One hour ago:
Bernie Sanders criticized for embracing support from Joe Rogan
Sen. Bernie Sanders faced criticism Friday from a leading LGBTQ advocacy group for not disavowing the newly announced support of Joe Rogan, the host of a popular podcast who has made controversial comments about gender, race and sexuality.
Sanders (I-Vt.) promoted Rogan’s support on Twitter a day earlier and a campaign representative said in a Friday statement that “sharing a big tent requires including those who do not share every one of our beliefs.”
The head of the Human Rights Campaign, the nation’s largest LGBTQ advocacy group, issued a statement saying that although Sanders has “run a campaign unabashedly supportive of the rights of LGBTQ people,” Rogan has “attacked transgender people, gay men, women, people of color and countless marginalized groups at every opportunity.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bernie-sanders-criticized-for-em...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
https://www.rollingstone.com
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/bon-iver-vampire-weekend-b...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
Bernie is the front runner
Bernie is the front runner now, so all the shit will be thrown in his direction. Bernie will deal.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
^this.
^this.
the establishment is freaking out. their attacks are making him stronger.
for those that laughed at the movement, welcome.
up by 7 in iowa now.
fall in line thod.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
Anybody know the Vegas odds
Anybody know the Vegas odds on Bernie being the nominee ? They give odds on every fucking thing. How about him beating trump ?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High
more head-to-head election
more head-to-head election odds.
2020 U.S. Presidential Election Odds Tracker
Please check our updated 2020 election odds tracker from Bovada that shows how the presidential favorites’ chances to win have changed over the past month.
2020 Presidential Election Odds Tracker
CandidateDec. 26Jan. 3Jan. 7Jan. 14Jan. 21
Donald Trump-110-120-115-145-140
Joe Biden+500+500+400+550+450
Bernie Sanders+800+700+700+500+500
Michael Bloomberg+1400+1800+1600+1200+1200
Elizabeth Warren+1100+1200+1600+1800+1800
Pete Buttigieg+1100+1200+1600+2200+2200
Andrew Yang+2500+2500+2500+2500+2300
Hillary Clinton+3500+3500+4000+4000+5000
Amy Klobuchar+4000+5000+6000+6000+7500
Mike Pence+6000+6000+8000+8000+12500
Nikki Haley+6000+10000+10000+10000+15000
Tulsi Gabbard+7500+10000+15000+15000+15000
Odds as of January 21 at Bovada
Sorry for the bad format, but the data is there.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
wow. feeling the bern! you
wow. feeling the bern! you know the nyt hated publishing this poll lol.
ras -- most electable candidate nation wide, strongest candidate to beat down trump, high school voted him most likely to end wars.
at this rate, warren won't even win any delegates -- horrible campaign, amateur.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High
>>>>>high school voted him
>>>>>high school voted him most likely to end wars
Whoa - that changes everything!
Bernie all the way for me now!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
wait did you believe that?
wait, did you think that was serious? lol.
you a buttigiege guy, surf? maybe klobuchar?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High
No, no, and no.
No, no, and no.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
def one of the reasons he's
def one of the reasons he's winning -- his anti war stance. be a great reason to support the guy.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High
Look, I like many of Bernie's
Look, I like many of Bernie's positions; I just don't think he can win. All the insults in the world aren't going to change my mind. If he wins the primaries of course I'll vote for him.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
i didn't insult you. jesus.
i didn't insult you. jesus.
all the evidence says he can win.
all the evidence says warren will not win.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
Don't be so sure, he's got a
Don't be so sure, he's got a large following
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
P-nutz, every time you open
P-nutz, every time you open your mouth you do more damage than just letting people
think for themselves.
According to the same polling source...
In a head to head in the general election in Iowa
bernie don't win shit.
trump wins Iowa.
Iowa doesn't mean dick.
Only 17% of their electorate participate in caucuses.
trump won Iowa by 10 points.
He'll win it again in 2020
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Say it ain't so joe.
This is just another example how the far left meet up with the far right.
Now time to walk back that endorsement bernie.
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Cheetos father was a klansman
Cheetos father was a klansman,,,
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joe rogan endorsement is good
joe rogan endorsement is good. people like him. we need everybody on the bus. get on tod.
shows he has cross-over appeal.
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>Cheetos father was a klansman<
The Klan is part of his base
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No I'm good turtle, and in
No I'm good turtle, and in the Joe Rogan for instance, I'll side with morality vs any endorsement is good.
David Duke endorsed Tulsi and that would've been great for cross-over appeal, but at least she turned it down, dig?
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well i do not listen to joe
well i do not listen to joe rogan, nor really have heard what he's about.
he's as bad as the klan? i don't know.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
https://www.theguardian.com
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/25/joe-rogan-bernie-s...
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Joe Rogan has a huge reach
Joe Rogan has a huge reach and touches millions of 30-50 white males a day. I'd say that's great for Bernie. Don't agree with Tod on this.
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turtle it would've been one
turtle it would've been one thing if Joe Rogan just said I'm going to vote for bernie and that would've been the end of that.
But, his surrogates ran with it and now there's a giant backlash because of it.
At the end of the day it divides the party more and more.
Divide and Conquer
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When I heard about Rogan’s
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Did you write that with your
^ Did you write that with your helmet on?
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thod like many here i don't
thod like many here i don't read your posts too thorough any longer. you've proven yourself to be broken, consumed by establishment hysteria, and not able to think for yourself. not a good look man.
ask yourself why obama didn't support gay marriage until when? and bernie has been fighting for the gay community since forever. yeah. so desperate. such fake outrage. you really are the worst.
and before you call anybody a bernie bro again, just know -- it's designed to dismiss people of color and woman, who make up the majority of bernie's base.
bernie is uniting people like never before -- sorry you choose to be on the outside -- that's your choice.
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i see thod's been melting all
i see thod's been melting all afternoon.
excellent.
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Just sent in another donation
Just sent in another donation to Bernie's campaign and ordered a 2020 yard sign. Power to the people right on.
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This means nothing, It's just
This means nothing, It's just Iowa
Des Moines Register Endorses Elizabeth Warren
Iowa’s most influential newspaper made its selection just over a week before the state’s caucuses on Feb. 3, calling Ms. Warren “the best leader for these times.”
Jan. 25, 2020 Updated 7:22 p.m. ET
DES MOINES — The Des Moines Register endorsed Senator Elizabeth Warren for the Democratic presidential nomination on Saturday night, calling her “the best leader for these times.”
The newspaper, Iowa’s largest and most influential, made its selection just over a week before the caucuses on Feb. 3, when Iowans will take part in the first nominating contest of the primary cycle.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/25/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-des-moin...
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nice for warren. should help
nice for warren. should help her a bit, maybe even get more than 15% of the vote and push biden to 4th while she secures 3rd.
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according to the avg of all
according to the avg of all polls legit or not, she's a solid 2nd choice amongst Iowa voters.
2nd place in Iowa?
I don't know how she'll manage.
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i hope she gets 2nd.
i hope she gets 2nd.
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Iowa is meaningless
Iowa is meaningless historically speaking
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now the centrists will try
now the centrists will try and discredit an iowa win, which proves momentum, b/c warren, and the hardcore centrists are toast.
good stuff guys. fyi you wreak of desperation.
woz, remember when you said nelson was down and out and never to return?
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Remember how you said your
Remember how you said your Tiramisu was the best in Vermont?
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what type of tiramisu are we
what type of tiramisu are we talking about?
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Fox News now attacking Bernie
Fox News now attacking Bernie, linking him to the notorious AOC.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-2020-donald-trump
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bernie is drawing bigger
bernie is drawing bigger crowds at his rallies in iowa, where he's had to miss a few b/c of the trial, than the other centrists that are in iowa themselves holding rallies.
bernie's overflow rooms are more packed than other candidates full rallies. lol.
and now there's been trump audio leaked from 2017 where trump admits bernie would have beat him in 2016 if the DNC didn't fuck bernie (which we all know)
team bernie needs to make that into an ad, asap:
https://twitter.com/sleepydjango/status/1221247579117080576?s=21
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wow -- NH -- look at warren's
wow -- NH -- look at warren's fall. backing away from M4A combined w/ lying about sanders, has destroyed her campaign.
gonna be time to drop out and endorse biden soon. lol.
<<<>>>>Just sent in another donation to Bernie's campaign and ordered a 2020 yard sign. Power to the people right on.
fuck yes.
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Oh yeah Bernites, dt, that's
Oh yeah Bernites, dt, that's right who you need in your corner going forward. You fucking morons
Trump defends Sanders, stoking Democratic divisions
https://apnews.com/68f73dde8435dada40ecce80beac6324
Does Ken's chicken mutilation story come to mind ? It should.
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jesus, ras. are you now part
bernie up by 9 in iowa they say.
it'll only get more dirty from here on out. dude can't be stopped.
centrists are literally melting.
and jesus, ras. are you now part of the desperate crew? i think it's headed by Thod, others are starting to see the light tho.
fall in line buddy -- it's how we defeat trump.
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*** yawn ***
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how come no other dem
how come no other dem candidate has a 500 post thread on them?
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thod does it make you mad
thod does it make you mad bernie is the front runner?
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Why would that make me mad?
Why would that make me mad?
I'd be willing to bet most people would agree that you've brought on more negative reality as to who bernie really is,
versus what they might've thought in 2016.
But hey, overlook facts and get your bernie vote no matter how you can get them, I guess...
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y'all have attacked me
y'all have attacked me relentlessly, and i'm ok w/ it.
i certainly don't bitch about it.
negative reality? haha is that a term rubin is pushing around for foaming at the mouth centrists to use? my god man. i've only posted facts, and have also fact checked your insane links. lol.
remember, next time you use the term bernie bro, it was designed to dismiss women and people of color, who make up the majority of bernie's base.
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>>> how come no other dem
>>> how come no other dem candidate has a 500 post thread on them? <<<
um, because the other candidates don't have cheerleaders like you turtle and P-nutz.
But, I'm sure nobody see's that either. smh
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^Lmao, Thod. Bernie is
^Lmao, Thod. Bernie is leading in every single poll that's come out in the last two weeks. Might just have to get ready to vote for him come November and it will be easier on your stress levels.
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>>> remember, next time you use the term bernie bro <<<
Remember this, if anybody wants to know what a bernie bro is...
They can go check out twitter or google.
or
don't if it doesn't matter to you.
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^It doesn't matter to anybody
^It doesn't matter to anybody lol. Nobody really cares about that at all.
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thod
thod
remember, next time you use the term bernie bro, it was designed to dismiss women and people of color, who make up the majority of bernie's base.
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>>> remember, next time you use the term bernie bro, it was designed to dismiss women and people of color, who make up the majority of bernie's base. <<<
>>> ^It doesn't matter to anybody lol. Nobody really cares about that at all. <<<
you 2 bro's need to huddle up, you're pissing on each other's legs.
smh
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lol i think timpane meant
lol i think timpane meant your strange "go to twitter for bernie bro's". you can find white supremacists there as well, anything really.
you're a mess dude.
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>> y'all have attacked me
>> y'all have attacked me relentlessly, and i'm ok w/ it. <<
Yes, and the gaslight isn't flickering.
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Bernie bros: substantive
Bernie bros: substantive policy debates
Tod: hey what about joe rogan and venezuela
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>>> Tod: hey what about joe
>>> Tod: hey what about joe rogan and venezuela <<<
IDGAF about red pill Joe Rogan, what I do care about is if a candidate such as bernie or his surrogates
don't have enough sense to vet endorsements just to claim later plausible deniability.
Especially, if the candidate himself hasn't been vetted and carries 40 years of baggage.
That I believe is a problem and could be toxic af.
But, If I'm talking to someone who only cares about that 1 vote in the primary no matter at what cost...
My answer is prolly moot right?
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hi ned
hi ned
how is your centrist bubble today? getting tight, huh?
are the polls telling you who to vote for yet?
<<<>>>Especially, if the candidate himself hasn't been vetted and carries 40 years of baggage.
incredible. you sound like david frum lol.
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But, If I'm talking to
no, youre talking to a sanders supporter who listens to almost all of joe's science/politics/philosophy podcasts. i dont believe there is a cost to a rogan endorsement, because i consider him to be a positive force in the world. i like offensive jokes. getting up in arms about rogan is an obvious ploy by corporate dems to subvert the "SJW" philosophy for their own gains, and after years of hearing about these kinds of issues in the mainstream media, corporate dem supporters are eager to fall in line. but the true "SJW" contingent of the party is a loud minority that exists mostly on twitter. most reasonable people realize that bernie is not a sexist and joe rogan is fine.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQDrNAUDYn0&t=0m31s
"If Bernie would have been vice president, it would have been tougher."
"Had she picked Bernie Sanders, it would have been tougher. He was the only one I didn't want her to pick."
- Donald J. Trump
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I'm not in support of
I'm not in support of birtherism as Joe Rogan is and has said so in his own words. (see his tweet above)
I think it has no place in the the democratic party,
Ymmv.
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ned's still making up his
ned's still making up his mind.
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Lol, Daylight
Lol, Daylight
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Tod just poor attempts at
Tod is just left with poor attempts at trolling now. Zoning steady around a 1.9. He has no real argument. Bernie is leading the primary and the Biden/warrens supporter are just lost in their own bs. What are you trying to hold on to? Come join the movement when you're ready.
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I already had my movement, no
I already had my movement, no spot taken.
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fitting, because you seem
fitting, because you seem full of it :)
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The only movement I'm a part
The only movement I'm a part of is voting trump out.
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Here comes the stats and
Here comes the stats and latest polls ned.
3,2,1...
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TOD you're on your own, pal.
TOD you're on your own, pal. You have been as divisive as p-heater.
It's time to come together as a party and exterminate the rat.
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That's cool ned, wasn't
That's cool ned, wasn't trying to buddy up, I'm good as wood with my own convictions.
Just trying let you know that with a statement like:
>>> The only movement I'm a part of is voting trump out <<<
Is opening the door for the ad naseum P-nutz distorted facts and polls circle jerk.
If that was your intent?
I digress.
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Um, is this true.
Um, is this true.
>>>Step out, Thom. The people of Delaware pay 87% of your health insurance, and I'm sure you're on the Highmark Comprehensive with no deductibles. You have no idea what health costs do to people. Why? You're already on a government funded Cadillac plan.q<<<>>
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division within the centrists
division within the centrists...
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good as wood bro.
good as wood, bro.
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these threads keep viva alive
these threads keep viva alive.
good job, everybody!
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^ yep
^ yep
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<<remember, next time you use
<<remember, next time you use the term bernie bro, it was designed to dismiss women and people of color, who make up the majority of bernie's base.
Some progressive activists who declined to back Mr. Sanders have begun traveling with private security after incurring online harassment. Several well-known feminist writers said they had received death threats. A state party chairwoman changed her phone number. A Portland lawyer saw her business rating tumble on an online review site after tussling with Sanders supporters on Twitter.
Other notable targets have included Ady Barkan, a prominent liberal activist with A.L.S. — whom some Sanders-cheering accounts accused of lacking decision-making faculties due to his illness as he prepared to endorse Senator Elizabeth Warren — and Fred Guttenberg, the father of a shooting victim from the 2018 Parkland massacre, who had criticized Mr. Sanders’s statements about gun violence.
“Politics is a contact sport,” said Bakari Sellers, a former South Carolina State legislator who supported Ms. Harris in the Democratic primary. “But you have to be very cognizant when you say anything critical of Bernie online. You might have to put your phone down. There’s going to be a blowback, and it could be sexist, racist and vile.”
In recent days, he said, one man sent a profanity-filled private message on Instagram, calling Mr. Sellers, who is black, an “Uncle Tom” and wishing him brain cancer.
https://www.nytimes.com/…/bernie-sanders-internet-supporter…
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1st day since the start of
1st day since the start of this thread, literally, that I'm not waking up to a pyramid rant. It dont feel right, I'm concerned.
You ok bro ?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
< division within the
< division within the centrists...
You mean, within the democrats - fueled by Bernie.
"A woman can't be prez" - now boatloads of em will never vote him.
" Bidens corrupt" - so long Biden votes.
Rogan endorsement should have been immediately disavowed. More lost votes.
You feel good seeing Bernie's numbers rise ? Not me, I feel a bit sick to my stomach knowing this is exactly what the repubs want - Bernie the nominee, so trump can pull a Ken's hawk deal on that Bernie socialist chicken. At this point, support for Bernie is support for 4 more years of trump and putin.
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i'm here.
i'm here.
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Not every Bernie supporter is
Not every Bernie supporter is a Bernie Bro. The ones who aren't able to discuss politics, and only resort to personal attacks, are the Bros. Ogkb isn't one. Timpane is. All he does is put people down for not wanting to "tear it down," but has not once even attempted to make a coherent post about policy.
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ras i'm not picking that
ras i'm not picking that apart any longer -- it's done. it's insane logic, but not worth it.
6 days from now will be fun.
ill just say one more time -- bernie's bass is made of of women and people of color. fact. more woman support bernie than any other candidate.
it'll be great when bernie wins warren's home state on super tuesday -- will she drop out then?
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neera tandem
neera tandem
jennifer rubin
those people are some of the absolute most bitter, mean spirited people, super divisive centrist hacks in the country.
totally pissed their queen lost to trump, blames bernie lol to this day -- spews more misinformation that thod and ras gobble up like hungry dogs. they're disgusting humans. just like trump.
what's real is how bernie is depicted in the corporate media, the classic anti semite characterizations via cartoons and verbal descriptions of the guy.
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Don't get me wromg if the
Don't get me wromg if the bern man wins it all, I'll happily eat every one of my words. I just have a bad feeling to the contrary, especially since now you have the likes of this president singing Bernie's praise. Did you even view the story I posted ? I sense bad juju, ya know I ain't often right,, but
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trump literally calls bernie
trump literally calls bernie "crazy bernie".
he's saying the same shit the centrists are.
how fucked up is that?
you mean how trump says he think bernie didn't lie? so what? anybody who's been paying attention even a little bit know bernie didn't say a woman could not become president.
who cares if trump said the truth for once lol. oh that's right, b/c he said bernie we all have to melt, and now trump is rooting for bernie. come on man.
trump knows bernie is an issue -- and is hoping the DNC takes him out -- which is entirely possible still.
he even admitted as much in 2017, what we've been saying all along.
only bernie beats trump.
trump gets the electoral and popular against anybody else.
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when bernie wins it all we're
when bernie wins it all we're having a pizza party in vermont.
lots of drugs.
you're all invited.
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>>bernie's bass
>>bernie's bass
aw man, guy plays an instrument too?
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He;s been secretly studying
He's been secretly studying with Phil for many years.
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>> trump knows bernie is an
>> trump knows bernie is an issue -- and is hoping the DNC takes him out -- which is entirely possible still. <<
Trump wouldn't be pushing for Bernie as nominee unless it benefited him. Period. The guy is an open book.
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like i said, centrists and
like i said, centrists and trump saying the same thing.
wild times.
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Who would be Bernie's running
Who would be Bernie's running mate?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thomas O' Bagenhammers
A warning that should be (but
A warning that should be (but won't be ) heeded......
Bernie Can’t Win
Bernie Sanders is a fragile candidate. He has never fought a race in which he had to face serious personal scrutiny. None of his Democratic rivals is subjecting him to such scrutiny in 2020. Hillary Clinton refrained from scrutinizing Sanders in 2016. It did not happen, either, in his many races in Vermont. A Politico profile in 2015 by Michael Kruse argued that Sanders had benefited from “an unwritten compact between Sanders, his supporters, and local reporters who have steered clear” of writing about Sanders’s personal history “rather than risk lectures about the twisted priorities of the press.”
The Trump campaign will not steer clear. It will hit him with everything it’s got. It will depict him as a Communist in the grip of twisted sexual fantasies, a useless career politician who oversaw a culture of sexual harassment in his 2016 campaign. Through 2019, Donald Trump and his proxies hailed Sanders as a true voice of the people, thwarted by the evil machinations of the Hillary Clinton machine. They will not pause for a minute before pivoting in 2020 to attack him as a seething stew of toxic masculinity whose vicious online followers martyred the Democratic Party’s first female presidential nominee…
Trump will terrorize the suburban moderates with the threat that Sanders will confiscate their health insurance and stock holdings, if not their homes. Trump accused Democrats of pro-ayatollah sympathies for noticing that his story about the killing of Qassem Soleimani was full of holes. In 1980, Sanders joined a left-wing party whose presidential candidate condemned “anti-Iranian hysteria around the U.S. hostages” being held at the U.S. embassy in Tehran, suggesting that “many of them are simply spies … or people assigned to protect the spies,” as Ronald Radosh reported in The Daily Beast. Imagine what Trump and his team will do with that.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/bernie-sanderss-bigges...
Bonus points: it's all true.
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Written by a 30 year old man.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Labels LOL.
Labels LOL.
Pheater are you a labeler? (Answer: YES)
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well the current president IS
well the current president IS a rapist. so there's that.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thomas O' Bagenhammers
Delaware General Election:
Delaware General Election: Sanders 47% (+1) Trump 46% Warren 49% (+3) Trump 46% Buttigieg 50% (+5) Trump 45% Biden 56% (+16) Trump 40% Gonzales Poll
https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1221864646921150468
Up only 1 point in Delaware (a state that hasn't voted Republican since 1984) this far out? Not a good look.
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ned you've been using all
ned you've been using all caps a lot lately.
using the term centrist isn't like calling me a bernie bro. haha come on man.
centrists pushing fear based nonsense, like trump, is fucked up.
desperate.
4winds, not sure. i know rep. jayapal has been spoken of. nina turner would be incredible (but i don't think that'll happen; she'll have a different position in his administration).
i've heard rep barbara lee as well.
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"fear based nonsense". LOL
"fear based nonsense". LOL
ah yes... more labels!!
Instead of dismissing with labels, how about responding to the content: Why is trump 'supporting' bernie?
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caps and exclamation marks --
caps and exclamation marks --- 3.7?
you're making stuff up man -- trump supports bernie? strange. news to me.
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>>> you're making stuff up
>>> you're making stuff up man -- trump supports bernie? strange. news to me. <<<
Trump and republicans are being soft on bernie.
It's everywhere.
Except viva.
Thom appears to think bernie is a beat able candidate.
Which may signal a seismic shift in the republican bass, lol.
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When I call pheater a
When I call pheater a BernieBro I'm actually raping women (and some colored men).
Sad :(
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< trump supports Bernie,
< trump supports Bernie, thats news to me
That's because you have your head so far up sanders ass, you cant see the forest through the trees
2nd time I'm posting this -
trump supports Bernie stoking dem divisions
https://apnews.com/68f73dde8435dada40ecce80beac6324
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>>> TOD you're on your own,
>>> TOD you're on your own, pal. You have been as divisive as p-heater.
It's time to come together as a party and exterminate the rat. <<<
>>> When I call pheater a BernieBro I'm actually raping women (and some colored men).
Sad :( <<<
Are you alright ned?
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lol ras. jesus christ man.
lol ras. jesus christ man.
the establishment is screaming bernie is evil, and you are lapping that shit up.
attempting to smear bernie by aligning him w/ trump is awesome. a week before the primaries start and this is what the centrists have -- trump likes bernie. hahahahahaha.
incredible the few people that routinely trash bernie on here are so completely out of touch w/ what's happening. scary.
how do you justify dismissing an entire political movement that has people so excited to vote, new voters, so much so that they've catapulted a dem socialist to the front of the race -- a representation of the working class, a diverse coalition of voters, will finally have a voice.
impressive stuff guys (both you and the movement)
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JR is having a bad day,
JR is having a bad day, obviously.
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Bernie Sanders and His Internet Army
At the start of his 2020 bid, the Vermont senator told his supporters that he condemned bullying. Is it his problem if many don’t seem to listen?
The defense from Bernie Sanders was straightforward: It wasn’t me.
He had been milling about on the Senate floor one day in the summer of 2017 when a colleague, Kamala Harris, stepped toward him. “Do we have a problem?” Ms. Harris asked, according to Democrats familiar with the exchange.
Some prominent Sanders supporters had been flaming Ms. Harris publicly as the preferred choice of the corporate Democratic establishment against which Mr. Sanders had long railed, a view amplified among Sanders-boosting accounts across social media. “Pre-emptive strike,” one person wrote on the popular SandersForPresident Reddit group, where Sanders fans were sharing details of Ms. Harris’s recent fund-raising swing in the Hamptons with former Hillary Clinton donors. “Start the conversation now, end it before 2020.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/us/politics/bernie-sanders-internet-s...
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pointing out how
pointing out how establishment dems don't represent the electorate makes centrists melt.
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Just posting facts. Not a
Just posting facts. Not a good look no matter how you spin it. Right P heat?
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what you posted is fake. i
what you posted is fake. i know you know that lol.
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Meltier than thou? I think
Meltier than thou? I think not.
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Looks like Bernie is way
Looks like Bernie is way ahead of everyone in the polls... You guys still mad about that? Seems like it stings Ned, JR, Ras and THod pretty hard. Maybe it's time to face reality guys.
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Go make some phone calls for
Go make some phone calls for Biden lol. Guy is desperate at this point.
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>>> pointing out how establishment dems don't represent the electorate makes centrists melt. <<<
No
The New York Times has a shit ton more viewers than morningconsult.com,
is all I'm saying.
How in the hell do you expect him to win against the msm, especially when he's known as crazy bernie
the socialist?
Millions in small donations?
A ground game the likes the world has never seen?
c'mon man.
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So much projection...so
So much projection...so little truth.
The BernieBros seem very butt hurt today.
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this is what you guys support
this is what you guys support? we call this trash. pure division -- and she and her crew are attempting to smear bernie b/c they know he's crushing the centrists -- we all see it.
wake the fuck up
https://www.mediamatters.org/washington-post/wapos-jennifer-rubin-admits...
you all talk about hating trump and wanting him out of office -- yet you fall for republican smear tactics and attempt to sow division by saying bernie is sexist, etc -- all while he has the most diverse, most working class coalition in the entire race, which is why he beats trump, and your centrists hacks lose.
bernie has a solid lead in CA.
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^Are you guys just in denial?
^^Are you guys just in denial? Pretty strange man. Bernie is leading. Just the truth guys. Feel free to get butthurt about it for another thousand posts though. Pretty entertaining
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Word count posted is a direct
Word count posted is a direct correlation to melt status. p-heater wins the meltiest.
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You think jennifer rubin is
You think jennifer rubin is the achilles heel to beat the msm?
She's a never-trump republican like George Will.
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you guys should just admit
you guys should just admit you don't want bernie to win.
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to all the establishment dems
to all the establishment dems in this thread - you or trump may well defeat bernie this time, you might defeat a few bernie-esque candidates in future elections, but a VAST majority of dems and independants under 40 support sanders and everything he represents.
when you all cant turn out voting numbers anymore because most of you are dead, invalid or just to old to get up enough energy to vote, we are tearing this shit down. its going to happen, and its going to happen in your lifetimes. the systems of power you all and the few generations that came before you have built will crumble around you, and every bone in my body hopes it happens before most of you actually die, so you can watch.
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It's about beating trump
It's about beating trump first, otherwise there's nothing.
No candidates plans matter if you can't.
bernie cannot beat the msm.
fuck logic right daylight.
it's everybody else's fault.
Not the fact that bernie can't beat the msm.
Sucks, but reality.
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Now that Bernie is surging,
Now that Bernie is surging, Fox News is starting to turn its attention to him, even accusing his family of nepotism and corruption:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-public-service-rich-peter...
Another Fox pundit warning about underestimating Bernie:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/charles-payne-bernie-sanders-juggernaut-trump
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^ Divide and Conquer
^ Divide and Conquer
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thats what everyone said
thats what everyone said about trump. dems were stoked initially, thinking it would be an easy win for the hillinator.
im not with pyramid in thinking its a shoe in, but i get where he's coming from. if youre 100% invested in a candidate and their campaign youve gotta stay as positive as possible.
im a tulsi interloper, maybe thats why i dont feel the need to go all in with the positivity like the more dedicated bernie folks.
but i honestly believe that allowing the corruption in both parties to continue to grow is far more harmful in the long run than another 4 years of trump. beating trump is obviously a priority for me since he has to be beaten to get anyone i like in there, but if its trump v biden or pete or something, i honestly dont care. "beating trump" is not even remotely close to being on the list of issues i deeply care about, and most of that list is comprised of things the democratic establishment are just as guilty of as the GOP, or issues that both parties are a solid 15-30 years away from even entertaining.
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>BernieBros<
>BernieBros<
as someone pointed out....not only is this term highly sexist, it also demeans the millions of black,hispanic and asian voters already in the camp. to suggest his base is solely white males who troll online is not only disingenuous, it is parroting the corporate dem party line.
good job ned, nancy and all!
and wake up, as young larry longballs pointed out....the kids no longer want your fucking oldsmobiles
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Bullshit turtle. I'm calling
Bullshit turtle. I'm calling him a BB, not saying that's what his supporters are composed of. Is it OK if I call p-heater a BernieBro? Hell, he's the poster child.
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First win...
First win...
Vote the democratic candidate in the general no matter what.
Then get off your fucking asses and push whoever the fuck the democratic winner is and demand what we want.
But it sure is easy debating whatever policy from behind a screen, it's another totally different thing to become active in your community.
or
You can sit and wait for daylight and his friends to save us.
oh wait, we'll be dead.
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I'm glad Bernie surging.
I'm glad Bernie surging. Something needs to break up the stalemate.
Also glad the primary season is here so the under-performers will drop out and their supporters reposition. Fun times!
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>>>>>"beating trump" is not
>>>>>"beating trump" is not even remotely close to being on the list of issues i deeply care about,
Supreme court?
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> Is it OK if I call p-heater
> Is it OK if I call p-heater a BernieBro?<
i get it ned....but it doesn't help anything.
also, i stand behind my statement. it is a slur or a put down. this is quite literally both the republican and dnc line. remember they both represent the powers that be...and they are going to do anything they can to discredit the movement. so in fact you are helping the man, dig?
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Then get off your fucking
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https://www.vox.com/2019/3/7
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/7/18216899/bernie-sanders-bro-base-polling-20...
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are any zoners in those shit
are any zoners in those shit hole swing states?
somebody should yell at them....
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>>>"beating trump" is not
>>>"beating trump" is not even remotely close to being on the list of issues i deeply care about,
>>> Supreme court? <<<
?
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lol ned. i only slap if you
lol ned. i only slap if you slap first, i'm talking like 9/10 most likely. you think addressing somebody as a centrist is an insult, it's not. addressing somebody as a bernie bro is an insult. not that i take offense, i don't care. it's just a fact tho.
i will absolutely dispute each and everyone of your centrist talking points, like: m4a isn't popular, taxes raised, bernie isn't electable, bernie can't work w/ congress to pass bipartisan legislation, bernie is promising free shit w/ no way of paying for it, etc etc etc.
you're the guy that said i'd prevent you from voting bernie. haha. jesus man, lighten up. i know pointing out how centrist, establishment politicians handed us trump, sorry that makes you and thod mad. i don't give a fuck. this is why i tell you to grow the fuck up.
-- if you post insane, completely false stories like thod does, you're called out. i'd expect the same if i posted fake shit -- like JR has above, just an hour ago. lol.
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^ That's a lot of words!
^ That's a lot of words!
Dude, I am fine debating and discussing without insults. The record will show you're the biggest offender of this. BUT, this isn't about you or me, is it.....
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> Supreme court? <<
> Supreme court? <<
doesn't much matter if a dem president can't get the fucking senate to hold the constitutionally mandated vote on the candidate....
see barack and neil g.....
as long as the senate can be stonewalled by bitch mitch and his pirate crew of evangelical nutballs...what will happen?
find another reason.
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you literally come into this
you literally come into this thread firing off insults.
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guys bernie is pulling away
guys bernie is pulling away and biden is sinking b/c of his atrocious record on SS.
but the sanders campaign pointing out these facts and massive distinction between bernie and the centrists is called division, right thod?
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turtle, you just proved why everybody should vote democratic across the board, well said.
>>> find another reason. <<<
bernie can't beat the msm?
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archival footage of ogkb
archival footage of ogkb listening to krystal ball and kyle kulinski talking about polling data, circa Jan. 2020 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_zd0G8HGSo&t=0m7s
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remember when al gore gave up
remember when al gore gave up?
remember when obamma let mitch deny his pick?
when do they fight?
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i recognize the importance of
i recognize the importance of the supreme court, but im more interested in reforming the entire institution than stacking it with judges who marginally share my views to lifetime appointments.
its clearly the most important aspect of "beating trump", but at the end of the day the entire system of presidents stacking the court with lifetime appointments is a fundamentally unjust system, giving legal control over many aspects of american life to whichever party happens to be lucky enough to be in office when a bunch of justices die, regardless of whether the dogma of that party of beliefs of that justice in any way still resonate with the american people after decades on the bench.
id be much more exited about implementing term limits for justices than i would be about replacing ginsburg with another liberal.
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my one and only "Justice
my one and only "Justice Ginsberg"
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Now's the time to fight.
Now's the time to fight.
There's only one way to win.
Vote D all down ballot.
not green
not independent
not libertarian
not write-in
Gather around the democratic nominee.
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^^agreed, 100%. term limits
^^agreed, 100%. term limits on justices would be great and fair.
they don't fight for us.
but bernie fucking will. and has. forever.
people see it.
tbe establishment smears are only making him stronger this run. incredible.
and lol daylight, perfect video.
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"America after all it is you
"America after all it is you and I who are perfect not the next world."\
...
"I’m addressing you.
Are you going to let your emotional life be run by Time Magazine?
I’m obsessed by Time Magazine.
I read it every week.
Its cover stares at me every time I slink past the corner candystore.
I read it in the basement of the Berkeley Public Library.
It’s always telling me about responsibility. Businessmen are serious. Movie producers are serious. Everybody’s serious but me.
It occurs to me that I am America.
I am talking to myself again."
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i just found out that guy
i just found out that guy saagar on the krystal ball show is anti cannabis. strange.
they had kevin sabet from SAM on their show yesterday --- awful segment.
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It’s very simple.
It’s very simple.
You are either voting for Bernie or you are part of the problem.
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^ hahaaaaaa good one, too bad
hahaaaaaa good one AG fan larry, too bad only hip in minuscule circles
But if you go carryin' pictures of Chairman Mao, ya ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow
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/thread
/thread
ras, that's simply not true and you must have your head in a hole to think that. wow.
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Vote for whoever you want in the primary.
Think for yourself and shit...
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Not trying to be hip. Just
Vote for your thinker. That’s Bernie. My senator guy. Just laying out the word.
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thanks for holdong america
thanks for holding america back, thod.
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^ don't worry 6, you'll never
Don't worry 6, you'll never need to worry about being confused as being hip (nice edit)
< ras, head in a hole
Wait, what ? Too many posts at the same fuckin time, I can't keep straight what you and I are responding to. WTF
This may break the record for the fastest ever thread to hit 1,000
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viva la bernie
viva la bernie
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Case of heady topper and I'm
Case of heady topper and I'm all in bro's.
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we're all about the natural
we're all about the natural wine up here now, man. come on.
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>>>>>be much more exited
>>>>>be much more exited about implementing term limits for justices than i would be about replacing ginsburg with another liberal.
Yeah, but that's not an option at present.
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
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Tod, this is not looking good
Tod, this is not looking good for us.
NEW: Bernie breaks away in NH poll
(1/24-27) (ARG)28% - Bernie
13% - Biden
12% - Pete
11% - Warren
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people we have to fight:
people we have to fight:
neocons, neoliberals, the religious right, the uneducated, fox viewers, self-defeating man-hen dems, corporate media, twitter trolls, russia, dnc,the electoral college....
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^ yep, all of that plus...
^ yep, all of that plus...
the msm
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Nimbys
Nimbys
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/22/opinion/california-housing-nimby.html
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>>Don't worry 6, you'll never
>>Don't worry 6, you'll never need to worry about being confused as being hip
Oh heavens, no! You're the hippest hippie ever, Ras.
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....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thomas O' Bagenhammers
Running Bernie Sanders
Running Bernie Sanders Against Trump Would Be an Act of Insanity
By Jonathan Chait
Bernie Sanders — who currently leads the field in Iowa and New Hampshire, and appears to be consolidating support among the party’s progressive wing, while its moderates remain splintered — his prospects against Donald Trump in November would be far from hopeless. Polarization has given any major party nominee a high enough floor of support that the term “unelectable” has no real place in the discussion. What’s more, every candidate in the race brings a suite of their own liabilities Trump could exploit.
That said, the totality of the evidence suggests Sanders is an extremely, perhaps uniquely, risky nominee. His vulnerabilities are enormous and untested. No party nomination, with the possible exception of Barry Goldwater in 1964, has put forth a presidential nominee with the level of downside risk exposure as a Sanders-led ticket would bring. To nominate Sanders would be insane.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/bernie-sanders-electable-trump-20...
When you've lost Jonathan Chait, well......
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^Nobody knows who that is.
^Nobody knows who that is.
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lol thom and the centrists in
lol thom and the centrists in this thread posting the same shit.
classic.
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It's hard to say this without
It's hard to say this without being offense but I'm honestly just trying to tell you the truth, Thom. Nobody here really likes your white nationalist agenda and everybody knows you're just going to continue posting garbage and pro trump stuff. You just come off as a total asshole that nobody likes.
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T-plug triggered
T-plug triggered
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*yawn*
*yawn*
THods horrible zoning just out me to sleep, night y'all.
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thod read what i posted.
thod read what i posted.
then let it soak in.
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Y'all need a part 2.
Y'all need a part 2.
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lol, good thing T-plug...
lol, good thing T-plug...
damn if he does'nt crave.
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bernie beats trump -- how
bernie beats trump -- how come the centrists only want to talk about trump saying bernie didn't make a sexist remark, and that trump favors bernie's division (lol) within the dem party.
centrists hate bernie as much as they say they hate trump -- so they stoke the fear that trump is attempting to sow.
bernie unifies and brings in new people to the party -- a uniquely diverse coalition.
which is why the trump admin and sadly centrist dems are fighting bernie hard.
https://twitter.com/harpreetchima/status/1221799861311246336?s=21
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< bernie beats trump
< bernie beats trump
Only in the dreams of the far left my friend.
You really think this country's going from far right to far left without first going to the middle ? Yeah, we're going from Charlottesville to Shangri-la in one election cycle. Uh huh, you fucking pipedream imbacils.
I say bernie stays in the race, deflecting The Eye of trump till the Convention when he bows out gracefully urging his supporters to back Biden, a candidate with an actual shot at beating the master of Mordor. Silly dilly bernites, I've never seen such devotion from zoner droids
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man ras, you're really
man ras, you're really disconnected to what's actually going on.
kinda scary man.
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I totally feel the exact way
I totally feel the exact way about you and yours man. Its nice to have people care about you isn't it ?
Never Trump Republicans draw the line at Bernie Sanders
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/its-asking-a-lot-never...
Surging Bernie - is it true right leaners have spent millions on pro bernie ads in those states, and have billions more at the ready to spend on him nationally in the primaries ? Answer yes. Now why would they do that I wonder.
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monday is going to be awesome
monday is going to be awesome.
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most of the never trump
most of the never trump republicans wont vote anyway, or they will write in something silly. my dad is a lifelong republican who does not support trump, and afaik he voted on other issues and politicians and left the presidential field blank.
biden gets some of the never trump republicans
bernie gets higher youth turnout than any other candidate, bernie gets votes from both young and radical people who dont normally vote, and bernie gets the 20% of his base back that went to trump in protest of hillary. bernie likely gets a chunk of the independents or libertarians that went with gabbard or yang who would likely go trump if he were matched up against an establishment candidate.
if the never trump republicans were a significant political force, he wouldnt have won in 2016. he didnt need the never trumpers then, he wont now.
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the DNC is appointing board
the DNC is appointing board members from dem super pacs that are running attack ads against sanders to the convention committee. lol.
is this the unity ras and thod speak of? centrists?
https://t.co/glRIkX7QsW?amp=1
DNC appointed meghan stabler, who is a board member of super PAC Democratic Majority for Israel, who is running an attack ad against bernie sanders in iowa.
tom perez also has stacked the convention rules committee w/ HRC attack surrogates.
you have biden and sitting US senators saying they won't back sanders.
where's the outrage?
and again -- centrists and republicans (thom lol) are pushing the same talking points, from iraq war cheerleaders, chait and frum, who have been wrong about everything.
what's wrong w/ you mother fuckers?
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WTF pyramid, no centrists
WTF pyramid, no centrists charts ?
More charts !
(less filling)
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Are centrists the same thing
Are centrists the same thing as custies?
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If you are a centrist, then
If you are a centrist, then yes.
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I posted the never trump repb
I posted the never trump repb article just as one example of the kind of opposition the bern is facing from one particular group of voters that can't stand trump, and won't back the burn. Too socialist for em, sad but true. It was not supposed to be viewed as a deal maker or breaker larry. Just one group, and there's lots of em. In an anywhere's near sane country, Bernie wins. But in the right wing shithole, no morals in politics anymore, nation trump's spawned the past few years, the pubs chew burn up in the general and spit him out.
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haha pretty much jr.
haha pretty much jr.
ras vomiting all over the thread, taking over for dumbs ass thod.
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folks no other candidate is
folks no other candidate is like this:
https://t.co/8pSYOLJddD?amp=1
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Good marketing strategy.
Good marketing strategy.
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>Are centrists the same thing
>Are centrists the same thing as custies?<
totes.
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If you've questions why a lot
If you've questioned why a lot of people have a problem with voting bernie?
Here's a good read from David Corn at Mother Jones.
Pretty eye opening...
Is Bernie Sanders the Next George McGovern—or the Next Donald Trump?
Two political insurgents. Two very different results. Which fate awaits Sanders?
BerniePanic has set in. As the Iowa caucuses approach, Democratic establishmentarians and we-gotta-beat Trump pundits have begun to fret about the Sanders surge. They fear the prospect of the Vermont (small-d) democratic socialist triumphing in the Hawkeye State, winning in New Hampshire, and then becoming an unstoppable force in the remaining primaries.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/01/is-bernie-sanders-the-next-...
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^Lol tod. That article is
^Lol tod. That article is pure trash. Nothing more than old republican smear tactics used by the bushs. Sad anybody would even give that the time of day.
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^Lol tod. That article is
Thub
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and then becoming an
and then becoming an unstoppable force in the remaining primaries.
Yet unelectable in the swing states and handing another 4 years to tRump. Tanks Bernie Bros!
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OH SHIT
OH SHIT
i never thought about mcgovern. looks like im voting for mayor pete. ok folks we are done here, lets pack up and head to the next thread.
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>>> ^Lol tod. That article is
>>> ^Lol tod. That article is pure trash. Nothing more than old republican smear tactics used by the bushs. Sad anybody would even give that the time of day. <<<
David Corn? you're kidding right??
Mother Jones is far from that T-plug, you can't even berniebro right. smh
In fact P-nutz has used Mother Jones as a source on multiple occasions and a couple times
in this thread alone.
Maybe time to huddle up again?
Pissing on each other's legs is not a good look.
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zoner please.
zoner please.
what dem candidate would take the swing states?
the article basically says he can win and take over the party as trump surprisingly did.
if the dem nominee is going to lose in the electoral college, none of this shit matters.
self-defeating man-hen-dems. it's gross.
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>>> self-defeating man-hen
>>> self-defeating man-hen-dems. it's gross <<<
self-proclaimed bernie cuck lapping up anything he spews, is gross.
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State Polls Show Medicare for
State Polls Show Medicare for All Could Cost Democrats the Blue Wall in 2020
Three new polls of likely general election voters in the Blue Wall states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin reveal that voters are deeply skeptical about Medicare for All and that the policy will not help Democrats beat Donald Trump in these top 2020 battleground states.1
Among our findings:
Voters reject Medicare for All by double digits in two of three Blue Wall states.
Voters think Medicare for All will lead to middle-class tax hikes and lower quality of care.
A generic Democrat who seeks to build off the Affordable Care Act (ACA) performs better against Trump with general election voters in the Blue Wall states than a generic Democrat who supports Medicare for All.
These findings may explain why by margins of 19-points in Pennsylvania, 16-points in Michigan, and 17-points in Wisconsin, Democrats and persuadable voters would rather the Democratic nominee run on building off the ACA over Medicare for All.
https://www.thirdway.org/memo/state-polls-show-medicare-for-all-could-co...
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cuck? are you projecting
cuck? are you projecting again thod?
yeah, it's scary thom. citizens have been so conditioned that they would rather people go broke, die, loose everything due to medical costs...than have everyone covered at some base level...
this place is a goddamned shithole country at the moment.
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oops
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In order for a Democrat to win Pennsylvania, he/she must win big in Philadelphia, Berks, Bucks, Chester, Delaware, and Montgomery counties. Sanders will win Philadelphia and possibly Berks counties , but the a sweep of the other three is extremely unlikely. Sanders won only Berks county in the 2016 primary
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>>> cuck? are you projecting
>>> cuck? are you projecting again thod? <<<
Nope, but I am reminding you of your full-throated endorsement of bernie.
bernie or burst.
smh
Divide and Conquer
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I like that Turts is bringing
I like that Turts is bringing back the term man-hen.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SErFK9MQxhg&t=1m54s relevant
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haha fuck yes!
haha fuck yes!
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if you don't think bernie can
if you don't think bernie can win the swing states then you aren't paying attention.
and woz sucks balls. it's what we call a baby bitch.
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guys, what's going on today?
guys, what's going on today?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
thod, did you have a hillary
thod, did you have a hillary sign in your front yard?
bumper sticker?
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love trumps hate sticker thod
love trumps hate sticker thod?
talk about a terrible slogan lol. she put trumps fucking name in the line. classic.
btw, sanders is behind biden by two points in texas.
thod, texas! hahahahaha.
president sanders, mother fuckers.
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Thod, lolz. Nobody knows who
Thod, lolz. Nobody knows who the fuck David Corn is.
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Thod, lolz. Nobody knows who
Thod, lolz. Nobody knows who the fuck David Corn is.
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^ Wasn't he a pitcher ? Sure,
^ Wasn't he a pitcher ? Sure, threw a perfect game for the Yankees
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I've honestly never heard the
I've honestly never heard the of name David Corn in my entire life.
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^ that's shocking T-plug, no
^ that's shocking T-plug, no wait, it isn't...
He's kind of a big deal...
Glad I was able to hip you to him.
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He pretends to think
He pretends to think Democrats wanted to remove the POTUS. He knows they never intended to.
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i know who david corn is.
i know who david corn is.
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He has a lisp and is always
He has a lisp and is always staring at the young lady journalists.
hi turlte.
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David Corn is Mother Jones' Washington bureau chief and an on-air analyst for MSNBC. He is the co-author (with Michael Isikoff) of Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin’s War on America and the Election of Donald Trump. He is the author of three New York Times bestsellers, Showdown, Hubris (with Isikoff), and The Lies of George W. Bush, as well as the e-book, 47 Percent: Uncovering the Romney Video that Rocked the 2012 Election.
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^It also looks like he's a
^It also looks like he's a terrible news analyst too. Congrats to him. I don't pay attention to news analyst to be honest. There job is to stir the pot. Just doesn't interest me to pay them any attention. Would be fine reading lists of facts with no opinions actually. Would be a much better source of information than the news. Anybody who tries to make a comparison of Bernie Sanders being a Donald trump isn't worth anyone's time at all. He's just a joke.
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guys it's simple. bernie is
guys it's simple. bernie is the most electable and best to beat trump.
biden won't motivate people to show up and vote. his corrupt record and establishment politics won't get 2x obama>trump voters which is needed. bernie does (non establishment). he doesn't appeal to independents and now even older voters are catching on to his record of SS cuts. trump will crush biden.
if you want to beat trump you vote bernie in the primary.
warren has to drop out. shameful.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/sanders-biden-are-neck-ne...
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https://www.vox.com/platform
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/1/31/21113780/bernie-sanders-socia...
this is funny.
bernie vs trump, democrat bernie vs trump, socialist bernie vs trump
identifying bernie as a socialist beats trump by +5, whereas identifying bernie as a dem, beats trump by +2, and bernie vs trump it's +6
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I have been told that JR will
I have been told that JR will be voting for Hillary AGAIN - this time he plans to write her name in on the ballot.
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lol that'll lose bernie votes
lol that'll lose bernie votes. hrc is irrelevant, and she hates bernie and is trying anything she can to hurt him before iowa.
as we've seen w/ the desperate smears the last few weeks, it's not working, and is only making the campaign stronger.
hrc is toxic, she should go away, and endorse bernie when he wins the nomination; or don't -- doesn't matter imo.
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Do you have one of these, Pyramid?
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P-nutz I disagree...
I really think this ringing the division bell and trying to smear and divide the democratic party is
gonna hand trump (along with all the cheating) another 4 years.
I decided to use a poll that you post about daily/weekly to show you my concern about bernie and if he doesn't get the nomination.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
That poll says Biden and
That poll says Biden and Warren can drop out now and their supporters will get behind Bernie. The only thing Democrats have to lose are Yang voters.
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The only thing Democrats have
The only thing Democrats have to lose are Yang voters.
The only thing Democrats have to lose are moderates and independents in the 5 swing states that won't vote for a socialist thus handing Trump another four years.
Fixed that for you.
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i dont think i could live
i dont think i could live with myself if i saw hillary in person and didnt boo her
she pushes violence, death and regime change in libya, among others, and now its wrong to boo her? what planet am i even on anymore?
those are two very different statements. "nobody likes bernie" is an objective statement that can easily be proven wrong by looking at any number of polls, such as this national poll that lists bernie as the most popular senator in america for the 11th time in a row; https://morningconsult.com/2019/01/10/americas-most-and-least-popular-se...
maybe the poll is wrong and hes not really the most popular, but even still with a huge margin of error just this one poll proves her statement to be objectivley false.
booing hillary is not even a specific statement, its just voicing disagreement with her on god knows what issue someone might have in mind. one is an objectively false statement, and the other is a voicing of grievances based on personal opinion, which is supposed to be what politics is all about. im so sick of all the fake posturing and fake politeness. if she had yelled profanities and called her a warmonger and a corrupt failure instead of booing talib would be my new favorite lefty.
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>The only thing Democrats
>The only thing Democrats have to lose are moderates and independents in the 5 swing states that won't vote for a socialist thus handing Trump another four years.<
well....then why didn't they vote for hillary??? by your dnc logic, they would have voted for her.
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Wow can't answer that.
Woz can't answer that.
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yea thats what i dont get..
yea thats what i dont get...somehow our best chance to beat trump is basically an even less likable, barely coherent version of the candidate that lost to trump last time?
yeah, good, ok
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As the Bernie train gains
As the Bernie train gains momentum it is looking more and more like a cult of personality. You're either with us or against us. No room for debate and immediate label as working to suborn democracy if Bernie's cock isn't in one's mouth.
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Just yesterday again...
Why would they push for bernie if they didn't want him as a candidate?
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Is the bernie blackout still real?
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Bernie isn't going to be
Bernie isn't going to be fazed by having to sit through the impeachment process, He did his duty and good for him.
The real question is if Bernie iss not going to be nominee, who will it be? Serious question.
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Whoever the candidate is will lose, did you see what happened yesterday Ken?
trump cheated his ass off in 2016.
Now he's got the blessing to really fuckin' cheat in 2020.
Serious question, who do you think can beat trump with all the fuckery going on Ken?
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Bernie.
Bernie - the only honest candidate in the major two parties.
What are your other options?
People can bitch and moan until the cows come home, but what's the plan man?
Seriously, if you rip on Bernie and have no other options, you are handing the election to Trump,
But now is the time. Who is going to take on Trump and win this? Bloomberg?
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well....then why didn't they
well....then why didn't they vote for hillary???
Everyone is aware of the 30 year smear campaign ran against the Clintons. If Bernie somehow does run, he won't do as well as Hillary. You folks are delusional, but I find it kinda cute and definitely amusing.
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The Clintons were just dirty.
The Clintons were just dirty. Riddled with scandal. Kinda just brought it on themselves. Not sure what you means by "if Bernie does run". He's running... and has been.
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Well, the msm who are Comcast
Well, the msm who are Comcast and Sinclair zillionaires who love those tax breaks are now pushing
bernie.
So is the blackout still real?
or
Would it be easier to push the guy most likely to get crushed by trump?
It appeases bernie bro's so they stfu about a blackout.
More msm exposure to the hype
Msm more ad revenue
and most of fucking all....
They get their zillionaire tax breaks.
nah, no way right?
so you were saying Ken?
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https://www.snopes.com/fact
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-clinton-with-jeffrey-epstein/
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Not sure what you means by
Not sure what you means by "if Bernie does run"
If he gets the nomination
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
Either get behind Bernie or
Either get behind Bernie or tell us which one of the other candidates left standing (Biden,Warren, Bloomberg, etc,) should be the candidate to take on Trump?
Its a fair question and one the primaries should resolve. Just ripping on Bernie without explaining who would be better at this stage of the process is not helping the cause. No shame in saying Biden, Warren, or Mayor Pete. All would be an improvement.
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just ripping on bernie?
Wtf you babbling about.
P-nutz and his gallery post shit, I post a counterpoint with facts.
You want a pillow fight? head on over ------------------------->
P-nutz has loved to attack my candidate, that's been said on many occasions here.
Just ask your bro.
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another rough day for thod,
another rough day for thod, just going on and on about nothing. my god man.
bernie is by far the most electable, most likely to defeat trump. why you ask? he has a clear message. he's honest. he doesn't tell you one thing and do another. his message is easy to understand. he's incredibly consistent, in a field full of politicians who lie and go back on their word (warren, which is why she's done).
he has the most diverse base, majority of which are woman (i know that kills centrists like thod, but it's a fact).
the youth vote will show up and vote bernie in.
he gets independents.
most people want M4A and a GND. fact.
he's the only anti war candidate.
but please, tell us how you believe everything trump and co tell you now, please, continue to scream socialist this and that -- the man is by far the most popular politician and most liked politician in the country -- warren is one of the absolute l’est liked politicians in the country. she will lose mass on super tuesday.
there's no more waiting, bernie is the only one w/ a movement that will crush trump.
you want to run a centrist to lose? wtf is wrong w/ you?
you're either w/ the movement, or you w/ trump.
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tough blow bro.
Major union flips support from Sanders to Biden
The 200,000-member-strong Amalgamated Transit Union cited Biden’s electability against President Trump.
Joe Biden scored the endorsement Saturday of a major transit union that officially backed Bernie Sanders in 2016.
“Joe has been very supportive of the labor movement for the last 40 years. He stands for working families. We recognize he’s a great candidate,” John Costa, international president of the 200,000-member Amalgamated Transit Union, told POLITICO. “We think Joe can beat Donald Trump.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/01/biden-amalgamated-transit-union...
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lol centrists want the tax
lol centrists want the tax breaks for the billionaires.
remember when obama made the bush tax cuts permanent -- even when "we" had majority in both houses. fuck that, right?
your centrists gave us trump b/c they abandoned the working class a long time ago.
obama ran on progressives issues, although a centrist to the T, he ran in that shit, got the youth vote, and crushed it in 2008.
every other centrist the dems have run, lost. and the last one lost to the most unqualified human in modern history to run for president.
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nice man.
nice man.
now you want to post the countless other labor unions to have endorsed bernie? he is the labor candidate.
just recently 200k member united states postal workers union endorsed the other day. huge.
bernie has been exposing biden's decade long record on wanting to cut SS, and people are noticing in iowa and NH.
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No bro, they just pulled their endorsement because they don't think bernie can win.
The more repugs push bernie I'm afraid more will turn on him.
That's a fuck ton of votes up there ^^^ not to mention friends and family of that union.
Jus sayin'
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yeah that's a good
yeah that's a good endorsement for biden. see how i acknowledged that, lol.
also that sounds sketchy -- internal survey? they won't provide numbers? did the members vote or did the board endorse?
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biden won't get people out to
biden won't get people out to vote. he thinks he can rely on "trump is terrible" just like hrc.
you buy that shit man? that's unfortunate. b/c that lazy thinking got us here.
trump will absolutely crush a centrist, electoral and popular.
biden is not electable. people will stay home, again.
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but guys we made it.
but guys we made it.
iowa is two days away.
bernie is in first place.
trump has stupid centrists thinking he actually wants to run against bernie, wait for it, even tho trump was caught on tape saying he doesn't.
2020 melt.
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8.3 bro *golf clap*
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2 guys came from the bernie
2 guys came from the bernie campaign just a minute ago....they were, well...odd. but it was nice...
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>>>>>you're either w/ the
>>>>>you're either w/ the movement, or you w/ trump
Doesn't sound like you will be voting for the Dem if it's not Bernie.
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Turtle, Kobe has a message
Turtle, Kobe has a message for you and the Bernie Bros.
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surf, it sounds like you'll
surf, it sounds like you'll be voting to hold our country back since you're not supporting bernie, the most electable running and best candidate to defeat trump. sad.
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Sad? Can I get you a Kleenex
Sad? Can I get you a Kleenex, sweetheart?
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to think for yourself
for thinking for yourself
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thod thinking for yourself is
thod thinking for yourself is regurgitating corporate media and centrist hack talking points, the exact people that fueled the iraq war?interesting.
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I may have a big announcement
I may have a big announcement to make about my political affiliation.
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Thod still doesn't get the 1
Thod still doesn't get the 1-5 zoner rating. Sad
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jr -- before or after bernie
jr -- before or after bernie wins iowa?
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when did racket become a
when did racket become a tough guy?
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racket post a trump meme for
racket post a trump meme for us.
hurry up.
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sick eagle tattoo
racket, do you own a gun?
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^Lol
^Lol. JR finally coming through with some solid zoning
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^^ haha that's hilarious.
^^ haha that's hilarious. trump! such a great and disgusting mouth.
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good one dude.
good one dude.
that's why it's important to vote sanders.
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sanders down 5 in SC. wow.
sanders down 5 in SC. wow.
a loss in SC by 5 points or less is a sanders win.
cenrists melting.
https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/sanders-and-steyer-closing-gap-o...
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Polls from two swing states.
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yes, biden or sanders.
yes, biden or sanders.
one gets people to show up and vote to defeat trump, the other will hand the election to trump, like the centrists did in 2016.
tough decision for some, oddly enough.
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Tough decision?
Looks like folks in Pa and Florida prefer Biden at this point. As you know, Pyramid, the swing states are the ones that elect the President. Any Democrat will win California, New York, Oregon, Washington, etc.
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This is an interesting article from Politico.
IOWA CAUCUSES
Rivals warn Sanders campaign plans to game Iowa results
Fueling the rising anxiety is a change to how the caucuses will report their results in 2020
CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa — Rival campaigns are sounding the alarm that Bernie Sanders could be planning to claim victory on Monday night — before the caucuses are concluded.
It’s a move, they say, that could have a significant effect on the outcome.
Sanders and his team have made clear their intention to tout the results of the first round of caucus voting Monday, even though the Iowa Democratic Party stresses that the only number that matters is the final delegate count.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/02/berniesanders-campaigniowa-resu...
** Pay attention how the bernie campaign plays this, especially if he wins.
Surrogates, bots and bro's will go ape shit and premature ejaculate the results before the final delegate vote.
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Swing states happen to be
Swing states happen to be full of conservatives. Good luck going their way.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
^As are many states, Slack. But I posted Democratic primary polls
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yeah, i know lumber.
yeah, i know lumber.
that's why bernie is the best to run on the dem ticket.
he appeals to the independents, disenfranchised voters, youth, hispanics, minorities, republicans who won't vote trump or establishment dem -- a centrists doesn't really get any of that and will hand the election to trump. i certainly won't be voting biden. warren i would vote for, as i've stated, but she has no shot now.
very risky to run a centrist against trump -- we saw what happened in 2016. the time is now to change the system, we will wait no longer.
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P-nutz I'll be watching whether you and your bro's claim victory before the final delegate count.
You plan on claiming victory before the final count?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
> i certainly won't be voting biden. warren i would vote for, as i've stated, but she has no shot now. <
But it's likely Biden or Sanders. You prefer Trump to Biden?
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nope. i prefer a president
nope. i prefer a president that represents the working class. one not owned by their corporate donors.
neither biden or trump is that.
so by your logic, one not supporting the only candidate in the primary that has a chance against trump, is instead supporting trump.
it's a political revolution to change the system -- only one candidate offers that.
thod wtf are you saying? i won't claim anything. but remember when the dnc did that for hrc in 2016. yeah.
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I'd love to hear what you
I'd love to hear what you guys think Biden will change to benefit the working class.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Whether you agree or not, and
Whether you agree or not, and I know that you don't, ogkb, it's just as risky to run a far, far left dude against Trump. Just because you say that he gets this vote and that vote, and he'll get people of their asses in November, doesn't make it true. It's a guess, and not even an educated guess.
Your entire argument is based on the faulty premise that Hillary lost in 2016 because she was a centrist. The data, in fact, points to something completely different. She lost because of a few swing states, which went with the more conservative candidate. That and the "never Hillary" Progressives, who also voted for Trump in those states. But fuck them, and fuck anyone who needs to throw a temper tantrum and hold an election hostage if their guy doesn't get in.
If Bernie gets the nomination, he's going to be under attack in a way that he's never seen. Trump will drum up a "Red Scare," and as most of the population are ignorant and under-educated, the masses will buy it. Trump is a master of lying to get his way, and he knows how to play to fears.
At this point, it's absolutely false to claim that Bernie is the most electable. Just as strong an argument can be made that he's the least electable. The fact is, none of us have a fucking clue.
How about if everyone on the left stops with the bullshit and lies about the other candidates (and their own), votes for who they want in the primary, and then rally around the nominee in the general?
And ogkb, it's fine for you to be a "never Biden" dude in Vermont. Your compadres in FL, PA, MI and WI will hand Trump a 2nd term, but whatever, right?
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And Slack, you're the
And Slack, you're the perpetual whiny cunt who is looking for government handouts. A couple of years ago you stated that you and your wife, together, work 60-70 hours a week (or was it 70-80?). You work part time and can't afford to purchase a home? Cry me a fucking river. When I was your age I worked 60-70 hours a week myself to afford my home. That's what people do. President Sanders isn't going to wave a wand and build you a nice home to call your own. Get a grip. Stick to trolling former Zoners on another dbmb. It's your calling.
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I don't even need to vote now
I don't even need to vote now. Just work more.
Thanks for the advice.
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How's the workplace, Brian K?
How's your workplace lately, Brian K?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Timpane is the quintessential
Timpane is the quintessential Bernie Bro, with absolutely nothing to say except to put people down. You're a fucking idiot.
Yes Slack, work more. It's what working class people do. For some reason you think you have an inalienable right to have all that you want, but with little output. "From each according to their capabilities, to each according to their needs."
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bernie is the most electable
bernie is the most electable b/c of his record man.
b/c of the movement he's built.
b/c of his massive ground game and organizing.
b/c he has the most diverse base.
b/c the majority of people support his two largest platform policies -- M4A and a GND.
he has the most active military donations.
he made 500k calls between 1/1-1/31 in iowa.
his campaign is letting people know that the establishment has destroyed our country, and people are indeed sick of it -- which is why you can feel the energy he creates within the electorate. there's a reason he has more donors and donations than even trump.
made up, taken out of context smears aren't working this time.
hrc screaming bernie is evil is backfiring.
the more the establishment tries to smear bernie, the more people like bernie.
idk, even i think this shit is crazy.
i look forward to bernie destroying trump on the debate stage -- him yelling socialist will only go so far -- like it did w/
obama in 2008.
people want fucking healthcare -- this is why he'll be elected.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
I don't get why you think I
I don't get why you think I want a bunch of free shit.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
>>people want fucking
>>people want fucking healthcare -- this is why he'll be elected.
They sure do, but the majority are dumbass mofos who are highly susceptible to bullshit lies.
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keep that back wet.
keep that back wet.
bk, you mad bro?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
No Turts, frustrated. Just
No Turts, frustrated. Just look at all the BS in this thread. It's all far left talking points and msm talking points, reasonable people with very similar goals taking shots at each other over minutia.
What I'm most frustrated about is that all of the candidates kind of suck, and we're going to have a 2nd term of a douche who was impeached and has a 42% approval rating.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
>by your logic, one not supporting the only candidate in the primary that has a chance against trump, is instead supporting trump<
By my logic? No, not even close. I will vote for Sanders if he is the Democratic nominee.
You state your opinion as if it is fact. I don't think Sanders is electable. I believe Trump beats him in the traditional Republican strongholds and wins Pennsylvania, Florida, and Ohio, thus he is not " the only candidate that has a chance against Trump."
I understand that many folks are like you, and won't vote for Biden if he is the nominee. That demonstrates that you believe that there is no discernable difference between Trump and Biden...and that is just plain dumb.
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I heard from Democrats that
I heard from Democrats that Trump was an unindicted co-conspirator. I also heard no one is above the law.
I wonder why he's unindicted.
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway
hey briank, what year did you
hey briank, what year did you buy your home? i work 60-70 hours per week doing hard farm labor, and make a higher hourly wage than lots of people in my age bracket, especially those like me that didnt go to/didnt finish college. even with those things considered, and the fact that i am single and have no kids or debts, it would take me 40-50 years to pay off an average priced home in my area and still have enough left over to pay the bills and put a few thousand a year into savings. lets get some numbers, apply some inflation and see what it would take for slack or i to buy your home in 2020.
when did you buy the house? how much did it cost? what was your hourly rate/salary at the time? of course you might not want to put this info out there, which is totally understandable...estimates would be fine, or if youre uncomfortable with it altogether thats totally understandable, but if youre into it, it would be a nice exercise to put some real life faces and numbers to the nameless statistics we read about in the news.
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Seems like you're pretty
Seems like you're pretty frustrated with yourself BK. Maybe stop harassing women in the workplace? Start there for a better way of life.
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If I was to sell you my house
If I was to sell you my house today, at current market value, and you had 0% down, your monthly payment at 3.75%, including PMI, would be $1,350. Add another $400 for taxes and insurance, plus another $300 for flood insurance. That's $2,050.
You'll collect $1,300 p/m in rent, so you'd have to come up with $700.
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What talking points rub you
What talking points rub you right the way, BK?
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Timpane, you truly are a
Timpane, you truly are a douche. It's people like you who give Bernie supporters a bad name. All you do is harass older men on a dbmb, day in and day out.
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Kinda seems like your the one
Kinda seems like your the one doing the harassing. Especially on women, since you brought it up. It's weird that you
would think Bernie has a bad name. Troubling because he stands for equality, peace, unity, fair wages for workers, veterans rights, and the strengthening of worldwide relations. What are you looking for exactly? Just wondering, tbh. Sounds like you're just getting all butthurt for no reason when there is actually a great candidate right in front of your face.
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Seems like you old guys on
Seems like you old guys on drugband message boards are so smart. Behold... Brian K. Truly a classic example of how to build and blow up and melt all over the place. Nice job man. Keep venting bud. Viva is here for you.
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Lol, I have a hard time
Lol, I have a hard time believing that a 30 something dude who has spent the last 8 years trolling older dudes on a dbmb, and has added nothing, has the capacity to truly care about his fellow humans. I just don't see it.
I guess I struck a nerve, huh?
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https://slate.com/business
https://slate.com/business/2016/01/bernie-sanders-made-burlingtons-land-...
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T-plug give it a rest ffs,
T-plug give it a rest ffs, you add nothing and you're dim-witted.
Now show us how important a win in Iowa (a fucking caucus at that) isn't just for the msm horse race.
Thanks in advance.
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Slacker should apply for
Slacker should apply for section 8.
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Slack, buddy, Burlington, VT
Slack, buddy, Burlington, VT isn't the USA as a whole, and the POTUS, with a strong Republican Congress, doesn't have the latitude that the mayor of Burlington has. That's for starters. The kicker is that Burlington isn't that affordable. It's tough to buy anything at a reasonable price that you don't have to majorly renovate, and rents are through the roof, over double what I get only 25 miles away.
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you don't get it, lumber. i'm
you don't get it, lumber. i'm saying you support trump by throwing away your vote in the primary, by not voting for bernie, who clearly is the most electable candidate and our best chance at defeating trump.
by your logic.
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^^ multiply that by 10 and you got Asheville.
Watched it actually happen, been here almost 25 years.
NC is a swing state if you didn't know.
bernie don't have a fuckin' chance here dig?
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lol at thod attempting to
lol at thod attempting to discredit iowa.
also you posted the horse whisperer ?? hahahahaha. wow.
thod voted for bernie in 2016 b/c it was cool. what a shithead.
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P-nutz, how long have you been a resident of Vermont?
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Pyramid, I get it, I just think you are full of shit. You have no idea who i will vote for in the primary. And repeatedly insisting that your opinion regarding Sanders electability is fact, doesn't make it true.
If my choice is Sanders or Trump, I'm voting for Sanders.
And yes, if your choice is Biden or Trump, and you choose a third option, you are saying that there is no discernable difference between Biden and Trump... and that is stoopid
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The two don't have to be the
The two don't have to be the same for a third to be different.
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what's moronic is thinking a
what's moronic is thinking a centrist will excite the electorate to defeat trump.
fucking dumb.
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but P-nutz will tell you he moved to VT to sling pizza only a short time ago.
Way less of a pussy than you are Slacker.
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How long have you been a resident of Vermont P-nutz?
I'm trying to help, really.
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what's that have to do w/
what's that have to do w/ anything, thod?
where i live isn't relevant to whom i vote for.
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Perhaps this is overstating
Perhaps this is overstating the obvious, but if Bernie is this divisive among liberals, I really don't see how he's going to unite the nation.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
>The two don't have to be the same for a third to be different. <
True, Slack, but only Trump or the Democratic nominee has a chance of winning. And the Democratic nominee will need every vote he/she can get, especially in swing states.
Pyramid, I don't think any of the Democrats stand much of a chance against Trump. But the election comes down to a handful of states, and I truly believe that Sanders cannot win Pennsylvania, Florida or Ohio.
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^^ well for one pussy, I
>>> where i live isn't relevant to whom i vote for. <<<
well for one pussy, I stated how long I've been in NC.
also, it's a swing state.
So how long have you been a resident of Vermont?
Now tell us how weak your sauce is...
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Thod, you try too hard to be
Thod, you try too hard to be more Archie Bunker than Tim Pain.
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18.5 % of ALL voters in Iowa
18.5 % of ALL voters in Iowa participated in the msm caucus horse race in 2016
Do you even know how a caucus in Iowa works slack?
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Cat herding in a room.
Cat herding in a room.
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haha what's going on thod?
haha what's going on thod? you ok man?
ive lived in vermont for 3 years.
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Have Mercy
https://relisten.net/phish/1994/11/12/have-mercy?source=163614
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Thanks bro
Thanks bro
hot selling slice "bern down the what"
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ok. please try harder to
ok. please try harder to insult me.
i'm waiting.
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8 yrs? I've been here closer
8 yrs? I've been here closer to 11 I think but no you didn't strike a nerve. I just think your a sexual
harassing old man who is embarrassed that he doesn't know anything about politics and getting his ass whooped all up and down this drugband message boards by "30 something year olds". And yes, I do care about my fellow humans. You're welcome, ya jerk off
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Thod and Brian K can't even
Thod and Brian K can't even troll right, smh,
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
I've said from day one that
I've said from day one that my issue isn't Bernie's platform, it's his divisiveness. This country is so friggin' fractured as it is, and Trump is both a cause and effect of that. Before any major shit will make it through Congress, there has to be some sort of unity. I don't see Republicans doing anything but blocking anything and everything he wants to do, which will keep us held back.
Perhaps someone more moderate, that isn't anywhere near as polarizing, can break down this stupid partisan wall that is up and at least start making some positive and lasting changes.
Now, I know the retort will be that a majority wants M4A, so they'd have to vote for it. That's BS. Over 70% wanted witnesses, and we sure as hell didn't get them. That's just not how it works anymore.
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Good Christ, Timpane, you
Good Christ, Timpane, you really aren't very bright.
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Your logic just doesn't make
Your logic just doesn't make sense. You can't compromise with these people. We need a complete congressional reform in every way. That's the only real way anything will change. Again, you guys are a little bit older and that seems like an idea that was worth while years ago but it's just not realistic at all and will never work.
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>>> ok. please try harder to
>>> ok. please try harder to insult me.
i'm waiting. <<<
nah man, you're the equivalent of a 3 season lifty.
but no need to turtle.
Should I get ya a box?
Lemme get you a box, here's a box....
You good?
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fuck it.
fuck it.
i need more drugs.
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You're the one who wants a
You're the one who wants a moderate President to compromise with a fascist Republican Party. It's stupid man, just think about what you're saying.
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You're the one who wants a
Dub for BK and his offenders
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That last post by Thod was
That last post by Thod was just a rambling of absolute nonsense. Nice job.
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Timpane, over 5 years ago I
Timpane, over 5 years ago I voluntarily shared a personal story about getting a very mild wrist slap for telling a dirty joke. You've now brought it up at least 200 times. I know that this is hard for you, but it doesn't make me look bad. It makes you look like a weirdo and creep, for one, and a weak and boring troll. Might you drop it at some point before 2025?
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>>>>a 3 season lifty.
>>>>a 3 season lifty.
blahahhahhahahhaha
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Why don't you just tell us
Why don't you just tell us exactly what happened and then I'll drop it forever. After that everybody can determine whether or not you are guilty of sexual harassment. Otherwise you are just still a coward who can't explain the story at hand.
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thod i'm sorry man. i have no
thod i'm sorry man. i have no idea what you're saying.
this is becoming like LLTD posting, psycobabble.
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I know that you have it saved
I know that you have it saved. Just post it. It stands for itself.
Honestly, I really don't think anyone really cares. I mean, you have a fucked up fixation on some non-issue, relating to an unknown dude on a dbmb from a dozen years ago, but that's just you. Lol
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guys i'm eating broasted
guys i'm eating broasted chicken in montreal.
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They love their broasted chix
They love their broasted chix in Montreal.
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I don't have anything saved
I don't have anything saved lol. I don't give a shot about your life I just want it to be know that you sexually harassing women in your workplace.
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Okay, you've made it known.
Okay, you've made it known. Well, actually, I made it known. Rest assured, I haven't told a dirty joke since.
What exactly do you want to know? I mean, I could answer but you'd just say I was lying and you wouldn't drop it, but you're a mess that way.
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Are you married Mr. timpane (T-plug) ?
I am
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Just tell the story, Bk. Tell
Just tell the story, Bk. Tell it the way it happened and I'll drop it. Thod, yes I am married. The fact that you're married is pretty scary for the other person.
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Timpane doesn't understand
Timpane doesn't understand how our system works. He thinks that President Sanders would tear shit down, not be beholden to the Republican satanists in Congress in any way, and would solve the world's problems with executive orders.
He also thinks he's cool because he's been a sick troll for over a decade.
I mean, this is what we're working with.
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C'mon T-plug, let's get down.
You married?
Kids??
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thod voted for bernie in the
thod voted for bernie in the 2016 primary b/c be thought it was cool. hahahahahaha.
fucking idiot.
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Literally everybody giving a shit knows I didn't say that.
how's that sauce?
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oh, TTTTTTTTTTTTTTT-pllllllllllluuuuuuuuug.
you in bro?
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I don't think I'm cool. And
I don't think I'm cool. And no I don't think that president sanders will be able to do anything by himself. It's up to us as members of the union to make a difference. Sanders can only try to organize. We are the ones who have to show up. And no I don't think I'm cool. I just think you're pretty lame. Still dodging telling us the story too. Come on man. What are you afraid of?
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until you kick'n mofo, who are you?
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Oh no, a total loser who has
Oh no, a total loser who has been trolling this site for over a decade thinks I'm lame!
You're being needy. Eww.
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I remember when 2005 was the step-up box for new Phil dudes.
let's move this past guesswork.
who are you T-plug?
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What's with the cop questions
What's with the cop questions? You guys are the worst trolls ever. Pretty embarrassing
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just want some common ground, you know
there we're 3 people in the zip room in Chicago, maybe you didn't know...
name all 3 bitch!
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Tod is creepy. Have fun
Tod is creepy. Have fun making your wife uncomfortable tonight guy.
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y'all got 2
Go ahead and name that m'fer they wouldn't talk about.
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What? Dude you seriously need
^What? Dude you seriously need to lay off the pills and booze. Not a good look for you. Maybe take a break from the zone for a bit. Shits starting to get to you. I haven't the faintest idea about what the fuck you're saying, btw
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not creepy kid, real talk.
Tell us about T-plug....
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thod do you follow me on
thod do you follow me on instagram?
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what's t-plug?
what's t-plug?
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thod you've mentioned two
thod you've mentioned two things in here that i have never mentioned prior on this site.
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only T-plug nose
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The example of Jeremy Corbin
The example of Jeremy Corbin in the UK should act as a bellwether for all of us. Those white suburban mom's in the rust belt aren't going to be fired up about Bernie and his revolution. They just want a sense of normalcy to return. You and your bros better not fuck it up again....
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only T-plug nose
only T-plug nose
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your queen fucked it up last
your queen fucked it up last time.
ok, thod. so that's a yes? super strange behavior man.
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T-plug out (laughing emoji)
T-plug out (laughing emoji)
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Thod, youre one of those
Thod, youre one of those internet stalker guys, eh? Well sweet Dreams, physco
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the establishment is shook --
the establishment is shook -- b/c of the massive movement behind sanders. he's not the front runner w/o the massive working class fueling it. the time is now. our best chance to defeat trump while at the same time transform america.
https://twitter.com/cascamike/status/1224130448030412800?s=21
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new hampshire
new hampshire -- warren needs to drop out and help defeat trump. continuing to run is just helping trump.