I have a basic "Mexican Standard" Tele from around 2003-2004, and like it just fine. Didn't pay much for it -- won it on a radio auction. Many will say that the 'same model' Tele from MX is not as nice as the USA version, others will say that truckloads of parts often crossed the border (liek, if California was short on necks, MX would send up a batch, or vice-versa)...
It's really been just fine for me, and if you can find an El-Cheapo Mexican Standard which has decent neck & frets, there are a Zillion different pickups you could swap. Or change the bridge, or...
".... For years Mexican Telecasters went for about $300, and Americans about $600 on the used market, with the occasional bargain to be had. Prices have risen a bit over the past two years or so.
The Highway 1 were a bargain priced guitar when they were new, but they were very well regarded, so that keeps the price up... "
Links above are for the Tele board, one is the B-Bender channel thereof.
You can obsess for hours about all things Telecaster there. They have all sorts of channels for Amps, Pedals, Home-Built...
My take is that the Telecaster platform is simple and lends itself to swapping parts; if you find some model with a neck & body you like, it's easy to change the electrical bits.
If you want a super-cheap Tele, check out Fender's own "Classic Vibe" series. They are Squier branded Chinese models. I've actually picked up a few of the CV Strats, and thought that they are OK for the $$. They really upgraded the factories back when to get consistent results with the "Classic Vibe" stuff.
I absolutely love my b bender. I’m not a great lead player but I’m a pretty good stunt guitarist and the bender really lends itself to that. It’s a little awkward at first but a player of your caliber will take to it quicker than I did. It’s not really that hard to figure out a few combos with the G,B, and high E strings that work all over the neck and make cool pedal steel sounds.
The bonus is even if you don’t use the bender Telecasters sound great.
The photos look better on their site. The graphics robot here seems to squish the horizontal dimension. There are also more Hi-Res shots of these new and bizarre "Parallel Universe" series. I guess some will be collectible; who can ever tell.
299 for an Indonesian made G&L ASAT. I'd heard good things about it but found it to be unremarkable and set up poorly so I sent it back. I should have known better than to buy a cheap guitar at this point in my life. Part of the fun Is the hunt so off we go.
A used Forrest or Kirn is high on my list but I want to try an America ASAT. I have a Legacy George Fullerton model that is my current#1. It has some good mojo when it gets going.
I guess my main question about the B Bender is whether it's worth the extra cost and limited guitar selection for the amount you use it. Was it a fling or a thing?
Totally worth it IMO. You could also pick up one of those G&Ls and have a bender installed for around $300. I was originally looking to go that route until I found my b-bender on Reverb.com
The skinny on Fender these days is they suck and lack imagination and keep putting out the same products or variations of the ones they have since 1960.
Left to right are my American Deluxe J Bass, Handmade Tele and Jimmy Vaughn Signature Strat w Texas Special Pups.
I try to avoid purchasing instruments from online sources cause there's always some stupid issue that the seller fails to disclose, but I took a risk on this Tele which was built in North Carolina and was being sold ridiculously cheap at $375 via ebay. The neck is a but chunky but it stays in tune and sounds great. It looks pretty killer too with a book matched flame maple top veneer.. I am privileged to have an amazing local repairman and luthier in SF: Rich Hoeg. He's the same guy who built Bobby's Blue Lightning Bolt Modulus and several HoegCasters and Tele's for Bob. He has done a lot of great set up work on all my guitars and most of my basses and mandolins. In fact, he assisted me in resurrecting two different Modulus basses that had problems and he did a set up on this Tele that made it sing!
In regards to B-Benders, I've played a few and even met Gene Parsons (the inventor of the bender device - he lives in Caspar, CA (Mendocino).
Best guy around playing one, for sure, is David Nelson!
I know what you are saying. I am not paying by cash, so it will probably be new one; that I realized it plays nice, before the store does and jacks up the price.
Just for fun, here's a China Tele for cheap OBO. Seller claims it has pretty good PU's and Grover tuners. You could take that thing and install various B-Benders until you got your favourite, and never worry about drilling holes in a valuable Guitar.
My belief is that my above post is somewhat 'on topic' as the referenced link Tele also has a 'Matney' B-Bender.
It is the post at 2:33 PM right there.
However, I do not support / detract or have any affiliations with that style of B-Bender.
Whatever you like, enjoy it.
Stuff I posted is purely PSA (public service announcement).
Also, if you like Tele, Strat, PRS, Gibson or G&L, that's up to you or your advisory counsel.
My mild opinions are not to be considered of any influence, unless your "Consulting Fee" check clears my banking institution or Hindu Grocery Store (HGS).
Weight is definitely an issue for me these days. I don't want any guitar that's much over 8 lbs. I have a heavy guitar that I rarely play because it leaves a knot in my shoulder that takes days to resolve.
I can't look at every fucking link in this thread especially when most people are just posting pics of their guitars. I have 6 guitars. So what???
I was just contributing to the thread about B BENDERS and giving a specific link to a company that makes something a little different (better?) than the usual Parsons style B bender.
Also I'm not looking for a B bender guitar so I had no need to view your link, and based on past experiences I look past your posts anyway.
Sorry, if this has already been answered in this thread, but what kind of music do you play, Highnote? I’ve noticed these teles work out very well in folk and rock settings.
I play a lot of different kinds of music. Solo fingerstyle, Americana, Hippie jam band mostly. Lately I've been chasing down chicken picking which has me looking at teles but with a slap echo and a compressor my Legacy sounds fine. The Legacy doesn't handle alt tunings though because of the floating bridge.
Most Teles I’ve played have been pretty versatile. I’m a stray guy myself but wouldn’t mind having one of these for som finger picking or folky guitar leads
Just had the chance to play a Fender Nashville B Bender. A little over 9 lbs made it too heavy for my taste. It definitely would have a learning curve to integrate it into what I already do. A lot of money for a guitar I only felt OK about.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Furious E O1>11
on Tuesday, February 13, 2018 – 11:20 pm
I'm no electric guitarist but
I'm no electric guitarist but I'm partial to telecasters.
I'll get me a cheap knock off one of these days.
hoover's guitar might b my favorite I've ever played.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Druba Noodler
on Tuesday, February 13, 2018 – 11:21 pm
I sold my 73 tele 30 years
I sold my 73 tele 30 years ago, huge regrets on that one
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sycamore Slough Disco Stu
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 12:28 am
I have a basic "Mexican
I have a basic "Mexican Standard" Tele from around 2003-2004, and like it just fine. Didn't pay much for it -- won it on a radio auction. Many will say that the 'same model' Tele from MX is not as nice as the USA version, others will say that truckloads of parts often crossed the border (liek, if California was short on necks, MX would send up a batch, or vice-versa)...
It's really been just fine for me, and if you can find an El-Cheapo Mexican Standard which has decent neck & frets, there are a Zillion different pickups you could swap. Or change the bridge, or...
http://www.tdpri.com/forums/b-bender-forum.19/
Typical post there:
".... For years Mexican Telecasters went for about $300, and Americans about $600 on the used market, with the occasional bargain to be had. Prices have risen a bit over the past two years or so.
The Highway 1 were a bargain priced guitar when they were new, but they were very well regarded, so that keeps the price up... "
http://www.tdpri.com/forums/telecaster-discussion-forum.7/
Links above are for the Tele board, one is the B-Bender channel thereof.
You can obsess for hours about all things Telecaster there. They have all sorts of channels for Amps, Pedals, Home-Built...
My take is that the Telecaster platform is simple and lends itself to swapping parts; if you find some model with a neck & body you like, it's easy to change the electrical bits.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Furious E O1>11
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 12:37 am
Apparently they're one of the
Apparently they're one of the easier guitars to build.
anyone wants to throw one together for me for a couple hundred $, hit me up.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead love matters
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 12:47 am
David Nelson
David Nelson
i'm also curious how Neil casal is doing with his... maybe circles around the sun will inform
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead love matters
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 12:48 am
Are Sinatra and Hoover going
Are Sinatra and Hoover going to report also
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sycamore Slough Disco Stu
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 12:49 am
Damnittol !!
Damnittol !!
Just when I thought my addiction was long-cured, reading those TDPRI threads sucked me back in.
http://www.tdpri.com/threads/what-mexican-is-this.803954/
^ I like this one where the guy bought a pawnster w/ Mexican neck, then discovered it had a Warmoth body with various ?$?$? electronics...
BTW mine has the same body color, but not the tri-barrel bridge.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sycamore Slough Disco Stu
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 01:29 am
Mr. E,
Mr. E,
If you want a super-cheap Tele, check out Fender's own "Classic Vibe" series. They are Squier branded Chinese models. I've actually picked up a few of the CV Strats, and thought that they are OK for the $$. They really upgraded the factories back when to get consistent results with the "Classic Vibe" stuff.
https://shop.fender.com/en-US/squier-electric-guitars/telecaster/classic...
I have a couple of Indonesian Squier Strats, which are pure Junque, electrically. Absolutely awful pots / switches / PU's.
The finish is similar to "Plasti - Dip" on the body. However, underneath is some interesting tropical wood. The neck and frets are really OK.
I swapped out the electronics from a Peavey Strat on one.
Anyway, the "Indo Squier" makes the "China Squier TV" seem like a real "MIM".
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 02:23 am
I absolutely love my b bender
I absolutely love my b bender. I’m not a great lead player but I’m a pretty good stunt guitarist and the bender really lends itself to that. It’s a little awkward at first but a player of your caliber will take to it quicker than I did. It’s not really that hard to figure out a few combos with the G,B, and high E strings that work all over the neck and make cool pedal steel sounds.
The bonus is even if you don’t use the bender Telecasters sound great.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sycamore Slough Disco Stu
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 05:53 am
Some interesting Fender porn
Some interesting Fender porn here:
"...New Fender Parallel Universe Collection for 2018..."
https://www.themusiczoo.com/blogs/news/namm-2018-new-fender-parallel-uni...
I want one of these:
But this one is Kool also:
The photos look better on their site. The graphics robot here seems to squish the horizontal dimension. There are also more Hi-Res shots of these new and bizarre "Parallel Universe" series. I guess some will be collectible; who can ever tell.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sun so hot, clouds so low Trailhead
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 07:02 am
Bill Frisell is one of my
Bill Frisell is one of my favorite Telecaster masters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHeAgRGg7eY
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote Stringtwang
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 08:16 am
Thanks for the replies.
Thanks for the replies.
This all started with a musician's friend sdotd.
299 for an Indonesian made G&L ASAT. I'd heard good things about it but found it to be unremarkable and set up poorly so I sent it back. I should have known better than to buy a cheap guitar at this point in my life. Part of the fun Is the hunt so off we go.
A used Forrest or Kirn is high on my list but I want to try an America ASAT. I have a Legacy George Fullerton model that is my current#1. It has some good mojo when it gets going.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote Stringtwang
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 08:24 am
G&L rivals Fender Custom Shop
G&L rivals Fender Custom Shop for a fraction of the cost on the used market.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote Stringtwang
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 08:26 am
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote Stringtwang
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 09:04 am
I guess my main question
I guess my main question about the B Bender is whether it's worth the extra cost and limited guitar selection for the amount you use it. Was it a fling or a thing?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 09:10 am
Totally worth it IMO. You
Totally worth it IMO. You could also pick up one of those G&Ls and have a bender installed for around $300. I was originally looking to go that route until I found my b-bender on Reverb.com
They are heavy as fuck FYI
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 09:38 am
This one looks pretty nice
This one looks pretty nice
https://reverb.com/item/7411826-fender-rosewood-telecaster-1969-with-par...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lasher Von Zekenstein zeke17
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 09:45 am
Eddie from Stove has himself
Eddie from Stove has himself a B Bender, and he seconds Hoover's opinion. Seriously heavy instrument. Loves it, though.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bluelight Odysseus
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 10:00 am
Great thread. Thanks Stu on
Great thread. Thanks Stu on the skinny on Fender these days.
Cool G/L Highnote.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 10:22 am
The skinny on Fender these
The skinny on Fender these days is they suck and lack imagination and keep putting out the same products or variations of the ones they have since 1960.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Painted Mandolin Treblemaker
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 10:54 am
Left to right are my American
Left to right are my American Deluxe J Bass, Handmade Tele and Jimmy Vaughn Signature Strat w Texas Special Pups.
I try to avoid purchasing instruments from online sources cause there's always some stupid issue that the seller fails to disclose, but I took a risk on this Tele which was built in North Carolina and was being sold ridiculously cheap at $375 via ebay. The neck is a but chunky but it stays in tune and sounds great. It looks pretty killer too with a book matched flame maple top veneer.. I am privileged to have an amazing local repairman and luthier in SF: Rich Hoeg. He's the same guy who built Bobby's Blue Lightning Bolt Modulus and several HoegCasters and Tele's for Bob. He has done a lot of great set up work on all my guitars and most of my basses and mandolins. In fact, he assisted me in resurrecting two different Modulus basses that had problems and he did a set up on this Tele that made it sing!
In regards to B-Benders, I've played a few and even met Gene Parsons (the inventor of the bender device - he lives in Caspar, CA (Mendocino).
Best guy around playing one, for sure, is David Nelson!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Painted Mandolin Treblemaker
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 10:54 am
Scott Law plays plays a
Scott Law plays plays a Parsons B-Bender guitar custom made by Gene Parsons!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bluelight Odysseus
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 11:11 am
Thanks Tim, I will stay away
Thanks Tim, I will stay away from a new Fender.
Nice axes Ted.
Saw Steve Earle not long ago and his Telacaster (with Bigsby Tremlo Bar) was as thick as a bible. Looked heavy.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 11:25 am
>>>>>Thanks Tim, I will stay
>>>>>Thanks Tim, I will stay away from a new Fender
They're fine. Just would be nice to see something new released instead of them taking old stuff making slight modifications and calling them new.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bluelight Odysseus
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 11:38 am
I know what you are saying.
I know what you are saying. I am not paying by cash, so it will probably be new one; that I realized it plays nice, before the store does and jacks up the price.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Alias botb
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 11:47 am
Gene Parsons sells B-benders
Gene Parsons sells B-benders and will also install them on your guitar.
http://www.stringbender.com/bender/custom.php
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sycamore Slough Disco Stu
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 12:48 pm
Nice guitar fotos above!
Nice guitar fotos above!
My one & only G&L is the low-budget "Student model" SC-1, which looks just like the one in this link:
http://www.imagineguitars.com/archive/electric/000_gl_sc1/
Some guy has/had one up for sale in Salinas, with a vibrato:
https://reverb.com/item/195768-g-l-sc-1-1982-with-vibrato-tailpiece
They did not make too many of them, so it's my only "Rare" guitar.
There's one in black with the Whammy bar. Photo from this guy's site:
http://ggjaguar.com/sc-1.htm
I got mine about 1989, still plays nice.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sycamore Slough Disco Stu
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 02:33 pm
Just for fun, here's a China
Just for fun, here's a China Tele for cheap OBO. Seller claims it has pretty good PU's and Grover tuners. You could take that thing and install various B-Benders until you got your favourite, and never worry about drilling holes in a valuable Guitar.
https://cnj.craigslist.org/msg/d/2006-agile-telecaster/6467222851.html
Then here's a guy with a B-Bender already installed, Fralin PU's and "Canadian Maple Neck" all for 1100 bucks...
https://cnj.craigslist.org/msg/d/telecaster-bender-fralin/6486814921.html
I bet that s/he would take some lesser amount, thinking it's a "Parts-caster". Who knows, might play great.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Franklin Page HotnannySF
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 04:52 pm
OK getting this discussion
OK getting this discussion back to B BENDERS
Dude you should check this guy out, Matney USA Custom Benders
My buddy in TN who can destroy a Tele had him install this in his guitar, it's incredible, none of that bridge craziness
https://www.facebook.com/MatneyCustomGuitars/
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sycamore Slough Disco Stu
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 05:47 pm
Mr. Franklin Page,
Mr. Franklin Page,
My belief is that my above post is somewhat 'on topic' as the referenced link Tele also has a 'Matney' B-Bender.
It is the post at 2:33 PM right there.
However, I do not support / detract or have any affiliations with that style of B-Bender.
Whatever you like, enjoy it.
Stuff I posted is purely PSA (public service announcement).
Also, if you like Tele, Strat, PRS, Gibson or G&L, that's up to you or your advisory counsel.
My mild opinions are not to be considered of any influence, unless your "Consulting Fee" check clears my banking institution or Hindu Grocery Store (HGS).
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote Stringtwang
on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 – 07:23 pm
Weight is definitely an issue
Weight is definitely an issue for me these days. I don't want any guitar that's much over 8 lbs. I have a heavy guitar that I rarely play because it leaves a knot in my shoulder that takes days to resolve.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Franklin Page HotnannySF
on Thursday, February 15, 2018 – 01:41 pm
Mr Disco Stu,
Mr Disco Stu,
I can't look at every fucking link in this thread especially when most people are just posting pics of their guitars. I have 6 guitars. So what???
I was just contributing to the thread about B BENDERS and giving a specific link to a company that makes something a little different (better?) than the usual Parsons style B bender.
Also I'm not looking for a B bender guitar so I had no need to view your link, and based on past experiences I look past your posts anyway.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Thursday, February 15, 2018 – 02:17 pm
Sorry, if this has already
Sorry, if this has already been answered in this thread, but what kind of music do you play, Highnote? I’ve noticed these teles work out very well in folk and rock settings.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote Stringtwang
on Thursday, February 15, 2018 – 07:20 pm
I play a lot of different
I play a lot of different kinds of music. Solo fingerstyle, Americana, Hippie jam band mostly. Lately I've been chasing down chicken picking which has me looking at teles but with a slap echo and a compressor my Legacy sounds fine. The Legacy doesn't handle alt tunings though because of the floating bridge.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote Stringtwang
on Thursday, February 15, 2018 – 07:49 pm
Teletone love...
Teletone love...
https://youtu.be/iEtQfqpKi1I
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Friday, February 16, 2018 – 01:31 pm
This is Betty.
This is Betty.
She’s kind of magical.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote Stringtwang
on Friday, February 16, 2018 – 07:53 pm
Nice guitar.
Nice guitar.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Friday, February 16, 2018 – 08:29 pm
Most Teles I’ve played have
Most Teles I’ve played have been pretty versatile. I’m a stray guy myself but wouldn’t mind having one of these for som finger picking or folky guitar leads
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote Stringtwang
on Monday, April 2, 2018 – 08:20 pm
Just had the chance to play a
Just had the chance to play a Fender Nashville B Bender. A little over 9 lbs made it too heavy for my taste. It definitely would have a learning curve to integrate it into what I already do. A lot of money for a guitar I only felt OK about.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Monday, April 2, 2018 – 08:22 pm
What were they asking?
What were they asking?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote Stringtwang
on Monday, April 2, 2018 – 11:01 pm
$999
$999
https://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Fender/American-Nashville-B-Bender-Tel...
I don't know how it should be but the thumb wheel on the back for tuning the bender had no tension to it. It turned very easily.
It was nice enough but not special enough to make me jump.
The weight is a big deal for me these days as well.
I enjoy the hunt.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ausonius Thom2
on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 – 02:45 pm
That Strat-Tele Hybrid is a
That Strat-Tele Hybrid is a really nice looking guitar.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jonaspond Jonas
on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 – 02:52 pm
G & L has been making the
G & L has been making the best Fenders for almost 40 years.
Out of all my guitars my PRS is still the most solid but I still love my '76 Thinline Tele reissue.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee Herbal Dave
on Wednesday, April 4, 2018 – 03:45 am
It was nice enough but not
It was nice enough but not special enough to make me jump.<<<<
B Bummer
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote Stringtwang
on Wednesday, April 4, 2018 – 07:26 pm
Some Bender tunes
Some Bender tunes
https://www.guitarworld.com/artists/next-bend-10-essential-b-bender-guit...