I find it interesting that the alleged conduct with underage women was thoroughly investigated by the FBI and no charges were filed. As for being a bit of a lout with women, a blind person can see the DRA is a strange dude that is strung way too tight at times. If charges are filed, I will eat these words. Until then, let the dude make music and a living.
^ Don't you think painting me with that brush is a bit unfair, FOM? You and I have been on opposite ends of arguments enough times for you to have seen me to be willing to admit when I am wrong and/or change my position because of presented facts. And for the record, the only time I la la la la la is when I'm listening to Minnie Ripperton.
If you are going to cancel Ryan which is fair, he had video sex with a minor, you also have to cancel the Dead unless your bar is that there has to be public allegations of things we all know happened.
>> Until then, let the dude make music and a living.
Uh...what? No one is stopping Ryan from doing a damn thing. A chorus of people saying they aren't interested in his music, couldn't care less about his day to day existence, and frankly don't care to hear about him at all isn't keeping the guy from either making music or a living? I mean, apparently he's put out and album this year (making a living) and you're watching him play music on Instagram - so your statement is 100% horseshit?
Just because the FBI hasn't pressed charges against him for underage sex acts doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to stand with his ex-wife and literally dozens of others who have bravely stepped forward to call him out for being a turgid asshole of the lowest degree.
Also: "Cleared by the FBI for underage sex acts!!" is a pretty fucking low bar. Christ. But by all means, let him put it on a goddamn tour shirt if he wants to and let people buy them if they choose to. It's a free country and he can do what he pleases and that freedom is what many of us are exercising when we point at Ryan and say "look at that turgid asshole who treats those in his path with disrespect up to and including abuse, I don't think I'll buy his album, see his concert, or watch his stupid fucking Instagram."
Nice, Ned - a joke about underage sex acts, how....appropriate?
Ryan's never touched me, so no need for your jealousy. But I'd bet I've seen him in concert more than most on this website starting with Whiskeytown in the 90s. He was obviously a great talent and a major asshole from the jump. Ask any former member of Whiskeytown what they think of the guy. Or go look for all of his former band members jumping to his defense in the last few years...oh, there aren't any. I enjoyed dozens and dozens of Ryan Adams shows going back 24 years. He'll never be as good as he once was, often the case with musicians, and his dramatic and exhausting bullshit was tolerable when the music was rad - but frankly, his artistic output is no longer worth looking the other way from his many shortcomings as a human.
^ Don't you think painting me with that brush is a bit unfair, FOM? You and I have been on opposite ends of arguments enough times for you to have seen me to be willing to admit when I am wrong and/or change my position because of presented facts. And for the record, the only time I la la la la la is when I'm listening to Minnie Ripperton.<<<
It was a link to a video of a cartoon: how did I paint you?
I don't really know for sure about RA one way or the other, nor would I ultimately hold any moral judgement even if all of the allegations are true. By the same token, it seems as if there's sufficient smoke to wonder if there's a fire. Oftentimes, fires are put out without the involvement of the fire department - does that mean said fires didn't exist?
Personally, I've always liked RA's contrarian persona and his acts of "disobedience", but have a difficult time getting on board with the position of assuming "nothing happened until proven otherwise in a court of law" for me to feel the way I do. Not suggesting my feelings should be grounds to convict him in a court of law either.
I agree with you, Terry, on the arc of his career, songwriting, performing, etc. I just don't invest much energy into judging artists, especially with unsubstantiated charges. Yes, I think history tells us he's a difficult person to work with, maybe even an asshole, but some of his music is very enjoyable to my ears.
un·sub·stan·ti·at·ed adjective -- not supported or proven by evidence.
Now let's be clear, the FBI said the following with regard to alleged sexting with a minor: “Ultimately, the FBI found no evidence that would support charging Ryan with a crime, and closed its investigation, without charges, in the fall of 2019.”
So - they found no evidence to charge him with a crime related to sexual activities with a minor. Those charges are unsubstantiated, just as you said.
However, there is PLENTY of substantiated evidence of Ryan Adams being an absolute creep with regard to women. The NY Times reporting had "seven women and more than a dozen associates describ[ing] a pattern of manipulative behavior in which Adams dangled career opportunities while simultaneously pursuing female artists for sex." This included "subjecting women to emotional and verbal abuse, and harassment in texts and on social media." And "The accounts have been corroborated by family members or friends who were present at the time, as well as by correspondence from Adams reviewed by The New York Times."
So, the FBI couldn't come up with enough evidence to pursue criminal charges against him for sexting with a minor. From where I'm sitting there is more than enough evidence for me to pass judgment on Ryan Adams as an abusive, reprehensible, asshole. The FBI didn't charge him on the former, and there's no one coming to his defense on the latter.
Some of his music is very enjoyable, I listened to Strangers Almanac last week and revisit the Cardinals on the archive or youtube every once in a while as those are good tunes and good times. But eagerly awaiting a new Ryan record? Buying a ticket to see him in concert? No interest in the slightest. One of the easiest passes possible for me, and many others, as the evidence is overwhelming that Ryan's an abusive asshole and many don't wish to contribute financially, spiritually, or otherwise to that kind of person.
And, frankly, whenever someone says "Have you seen/heard the latest from Ryan Adams" there will always be voices like mine saying - absolutely not, dude is trash. Simple as that. He made the bed, he gets to sleep in it.
Sure, Terry, I respect your opinions. His new album is trash, like his previous few. The Cardinals era was his peak, and I still listen to that on occasion from the Archive. I'm surprised you do, at all, since that's kind of supporting him with attention.
Back to the OP: I think it's great he's performing live via the interwebs. I'd go see him live again if he brought a band with the pedal steel. Not paying for solo stuff, or Dad rock.
>If you are going to cancel Ryan which is fair, he had video sex with a minor, you also have to cancel the Dead unless your bar is that there has to be public allegations of things we all know happened.
Meh, I canceled RA long before Mandy exposed his creepiness. The #METOO movement is a game changer
it's not as if the GD are still performing. I hope to never cancel the GD or the Beatles even though some of their songs are definitely sexist, and their members don't have spotless records with women..and underage girls.
and while we're on the topic of canceling musicians , I'm done with any of the anti vaxxer ones
* FTR: when I said I don't hold any moral judgement, this is not to say I don't establish boundaries to curtail my energy from interfacing with RA as if nothing may have happened.
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NO spot taken...hes a pariah
NO spot taken...hes a pariah
and, dont have instagram
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https://www.rollingstone.com
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/ryan-adams-accused-of-sexu...
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I guess no one can protest
I guess no one can protest outside his Instagram appearances anyway.
Ryan's 15 minutes expired quite a while ago.
What an incredible loser and chump.
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I find it interesting that
I find it interesting that the alleged conduct with underage women was thoroughly investigated by the FBI and no charges were filed. As for being a bit of a lout with women, a blind person can see the DRA is a strange dude that is strung way too tight at times. If charges are filed, I will eat these words. Until then, let the dude make music and a living.
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I always found him
I always found him underwhelming and Phil's infatuation with him puzzling.
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I caught a few. He seems
I caught a few. He seems relaxed even though he says he's stressed out (about Theo). Apparently his publicist quit this week.
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If charges are filed, I will
If charges are filed, I will eat these words. Until then, let the dude make music and a living<<<<
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gazsI0a6GtU
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^ Don't you think painting me
^ Don't you think painting me with that brush is a bit unfair, FOM? You and I have been on opposite ends of arguments enough times for you to have seen me to be willing to admit when I am wrong and/or change my position because of presented facts. And for the record, the only time I la la la la la is when I'm listening to Minnie Ripperton.
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If you are going to cancel
If you are going to cancel Ryan which is fair, he had video sex with a minor, you also have to cancel the Dead unless your bar is that there has to be public allegations of things we all know happened.
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BOYCOTT MEXICALI BLUES!!!
BOYCOTT MEXICALI BLUES!!!
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>> Until then, let the dude
>> Until then, let the dude make music and a living.
Uh...what? No one is stopping Ryan from doing a damn thing. A chorus of people saying they aren't interested in his music, couldn't care less about his day to day existence, and frankly don't care to hear about him at all isn't keeping the guy from either making music or a living? I mean, apparently he's put out and album this year (making a living) and you're watching him play music on Instagram - so your statement is 100% horseshit?
Just because the FBI hasn't pressed charges against him for underage sex acts doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to stand with his ex-wife and literally dozens of others who have bravely stepped forward to call him out for being a turgid asshole of the lowest degree.
Also: "Cleared by the FBI for underage sex acts!!" is a pretty fucking low bar. Christ. But by all means, let him put it on a goddamn tour shirt if he wants to and let people buy them if they choose to. It's a free country and he can do what he pleases and that freedom is what many of us are exercising when we point at Ryan and say "look at that turgid asshole who treats those in his path with disrespect up to and including abuse, I don't think I'll buy his album, see his concert, or watch his stupid fucking Instagram."
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Terry...point on this doll
Terry...point on this doll where Ryan Adams touched you....
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Nice, Ned - a joke about
Nice, Ned - a joke about underage sex acts, how....appropriate?
Ryan's never touched me, so no need for your jealousy. But I'd bet I've seen him in concert more than most on this website starting with Whiskeytown in the 90s. He was obviously a great talent and a major asshole from the jump. Ask any former member of Whiskeytown what they think of the guy. Or go look for all of his former band members jumping to his defense in the last few years...oh, there aren't any. I enjoyed dozens and dozens of Ryan Adams shows going back 24 years. He'll never be as good as he once was, often the case with musicians, and his dramatic and exhausting bullshit was tolerable when the music was rad - but frankly, his artistic output is no longer worth looking the other way from his many shortcomings as a human.
Remarkably simple calculus, really.
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^ Don't you think painting me
^ Don't you think painting me with that brush is a bit unfair, FOM? You and I have been on opposite ends of arguments enough times for you to have seen me to be willing to admit when I am wrong and/or change my position because of presented facts. And for the record, the only time I la la la la la is when I'm listening to Minnie Ripperton.<<<
It was a link to a video of a cartoon: how did I paint you?
I don't really know for sure about RA one way or the other, nor would I ultimately hold any moral judgement even if all of the allegations are true. By the same token, it seems as if there's sufficient smoke to wonder if there's a fire. Oftentimes, fires are put out without the involvement of the fire department - does that mean said fires didn't exist?
Personally, I've always liked RA's contrarian persona and his acts of "disobedience", but have a difficult time getting on board with the position of assuming "nothing happened until proven otherwise in a court of law" for me to feel the way I do. Not suggesting my feelings should be grounds to convict him in a court of law either.
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I agree with you, Terry, on
I agree with you, Terry, on the arc of his career, songwriting, performing, etc. I just don't invest much energy into judging artists, especially with unsubstantiated charges. Yes, I think history tells us he's a difficult person to work with, maybe even an asshole, but some of his music is very enjoyable to my ears.
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>> especially with
>> especially with unsubstantiated charges
un·sub·stan·ti·at·ed adjective -- not supported or proven by evidence.
Now let's be clear, the FBI said the following with regard to alleged sexting with a minor: “Ultimately, the FBI found no evidence that would support charging Ryan with a crime, and closed its investigation, without charges, in the fall of 2019.”
So - they found no evidence to charge him with a crime related to sexual activities with a minor. Those charges are unsubstantiated, just as you said.
However, there is PLENTY of substantiated evidence of Ryan Adams being an absolute creep with regard to women. The NY Times reporting had "seven women and more than a dozen associates describ[ing] a pattern of manipulative behavior in which Adams dangled career opportunities while simultaneously pursuing female artists for sex." This included "subjecting women to emotional and verbal abuse, and harassment in texts and on social media." And "The accounts have been corroborated by family members or friends who were present at the time, as well as by correspondence from Adams reviewed by The New York Times."
So, the FBI couldn't come up with enough evidence to pursue criminal charges against him for sexting with a minor. From where I'm sitting there is more than enough evidence for me to pass judgment on Ryan Adams as an abusive, reprehensible, asshole. The FBI didn't charge him on the former, and there's no one coming to his defense on the latter.
Some of his music is very enjoyable, I listened to Strangers Almanac last week and revisit the Cardinals on the archive or youtube every once in a while as those are good tunes and good times. But eagerly awaiting a new Ryan record? Buying a ticket to see him in concert? No interest in the slightest. One of the easiest passes possible for me, and many others, as the evidence is overwhelming that Ryan's an abusive asshole and many don't wish to contribute financially, spiritually, or otherwise to that kind of person.
And, frankly, whenever someone says "Have you seen/heard the latest from Ryan Adams" there will always be voices like mine saying - absolutely not, dude is trash. Simple as that. He made the bed, he gets to sleep in it.
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Just because he did it
Just because he did it
doesn't mean he's guilty
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Do rap music next.
Do rap music next.
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Sure, Terry, I respect your
Sure, Terry, I respect your opinions. His new album is trash, like his previous few. The Cardinals era was his peak, and I still listen to that on occasion from the Archive. I'm surprised you do, at all, since that's kind of supporting him with attention.
Back to the OP: I think it's great he's performing live via the interwebs. I'd go see him live again if he brought a band with the pedal steel. Not paying for solo stuff, or Dad rock.
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no. i dont support sexual
no. i dont support sexual predators
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^ except Hillary.
^ except Hillary LOL
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Idiot.
Idiot.
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>If you are going to cancel
>If you are going to cancel Ryan which is fair, he had video sex with a minor, you also have to cancel the Dead unless your bar is that there has to be public allegations of things we all know happened.
Meh, I canceled RA long before Mandy exposed his creepiness. The #METOO movement is a game changer
it's not as if the GD are still performing. I hope to never cancel the GD or the Beatles even though some of their songs are definitely sexist, and their members don't have spotless records with women..and underage girls.
and while we're on the topic of canceling musicians , I'm done with any of the anti vaxxer ones
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* FTR: when I said I don't
* FTR: when I said I don't hold any moral judgement, this is not to say I don't establish boundaries to curtail my energy from interfacing with RA as if nothing may have happened.
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What is the 'D' in DRA?
What is the 'D' in DRA?
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Never mind, typo I guess.
Never mind, typo I guess.
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>> What is the 'D' in DRA?
>> What is the 'D' in DRA?
DRA is his monogram. Full name is David Ryan Adams.