Did set lists become more varied night to night once Dead Base came out in the 80's and the Dead became aware of how closely it was all being tracked and how it was easily shared?
I see the 70s and early 80s tours as a lot of one-offs, moving from city to city. The more they set up multi-night runs (MSG, Spectrum, Byrne, Shorline, etc) they probably made more of an effort. Plus, a lot less albums to promote.
Doubt it had anything to do with DeadBase, but IMO setlists got more predictable from the 80s into the 90s. They did try to have no repeats in 3 consecutive shows during that time, if that's what you mean.
Thanks for digging up that Mikel info -- brings back memories... I probably have some of that stuff in a box somewhere along with the Cosmic Wimpout stickers found on every toll booth on the East coast
The Dead Base guys worked at DEC a company that was the Oracle of it's time. They had access to the best data base technology and computing power at the time. So yes there were set lists before but not easy access to things like last played. I remember coming out of the Landover Ripple encore show and overheard the conversation next to me and the guy was saying that last electric Ripple was blah blah blah I don't even remember, but he not only knew but knew that it wasn't acoustic.
I don't think that kind of detail didn't happen before Dead Base. Oh yeah and the guy walking out was right because I checked my Dead Base in the car when I got back.
I find it interesting more in a larger conversation of how observation changes things. I guess I've been watching to much Devs.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved nedb
on Monday, May 11, 2020 – 04:09 pm
I see the 70s and early 80s
I see the 70s and early 80s tours as a lot of one-offs, moving from city to city. The more they set up multi-night runs (MSG, Spectrum, Byrne, Shorline, etc) they probably made more of an effort. Plus, a lot less albums to promote.
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on Monday, May 11, 2020 – 09:25 pm
Doubt it had anything to do
Doubt it had anything to do with DeadBase, but IMO setlists got more predictable from the 80s into the 90s. They did try to have no repeats in 3 consecutive shows during that time, if that's what you mean.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Tony Natelli Gitmo's Revenge
on Monday, May 11, 2020 – 10:25 pm
Before Deadbase there was
Before Deadbase there was Dupree's Diamond News.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Blue Rose Task Force Rock And Roll Goddess
on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 – 06:04 am
And before that,
And before that,
there was Golden Road magazine,
and before that,
The Mikel Newsletters.
And before that...
Who are You ?
Where are You ?
How are You...?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: doctor doolittle
on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 – 06:37 am
Who fucking cares!! Get a
Who fucking cares!! Get a life and move on!!!!!!!!!
It's the 21st Century! Jerry's DEAD!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 – 06:43 am
Take it, Lou
Take it, Lou
Join the monks
The C.I.O.
Tell ’em all
That Tiny Montgomery says hello
>> Welcome to the 21st Century! Jerry's Dead!
You fuckin' tell 'em, Sumatra James !!!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Blue Rose Task Force Rock And Roll Goddess
on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 – 06:51 am
Here is a nice article on
Here is a nice article on Mikel
https://aquariumdrunkard.com/2019/10/28/blanks-and-postage-news-from-the-silk-trombone-delving-into-the-deadhead-tour-zine-mikel/
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Blue Rose Task Force Rock And Roll Goddess
on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 – 06:54 am
And one more...
And one more...
Even though, He too is no longer with Us, He deserves to be remembered...
https://www.dead.net/features/blog/documenting-dead-michael-linah-papers
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Alan R StoneSculptor
on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 – 07:27 am
Thanks for digging up that
Thanks for digging up that Mikel info -- brings back memories... I probably have some of that stuff in a box somewhere along with the Cosmic Wimpout stickers found on every toll booth on the East coast
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lord Kalvert Lloyd_Klondike
on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 – 01:58 pm
Broke this out last night
Broke this out last night
Killer DEW - only bay area version that year - place went NUTS.
Dumped a cheese broccoli egg roll in my lap during the set break. What a night.
DB didn't change jack shit- but it's still nice having an old copy around.
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on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 – 02:43 pm
I have that NYE Civic Center
I have that NYE Civic Center Mikel in the Dead.Net story. Last one I grabbed was the classic Hershey 6/85 show.
RIP
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved nedb
on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 – 02:44 pm
Hershey was a wet one LOL.
Hershey was a wet one LOL.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino kxela
on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 – 03:02 pm
The Dead Base guys worked at
The Dead Base guys worked at DEC a company that was the Oracle of it's time. They had access to the best data base technology and computing power at the time. So yes there were set lists before but not easy access to things like last played. I remember coming out of the Landover Ripple encore show and overheard the conversation next to me and the guy was saying that last electric Ripple was blah blah blah I don't even remember, but he not only knew but knew that it wasn't acoustic.
I don't think that kind of detail didn't happen before Dead Base. Oh yeah and the guy walking out was right because I checked my Dead Base in the car when I got back.
I find it interesting more in a larger conversation of how observation changes things. I guess I've been watching to much Devs.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: intentionally blank mikeedwardsetc
on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 – 03:03 pm
Thanks for the Mikel
Thanks for the Mikel flashbacks, RRG.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic (Bluestnote)
on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 – 03:05 pm
I don't think that kind of
I don't think that kind of detail didn't happen before Dead Base.<<
Are you sure?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino kxela
on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 – 03:39 pm
>>Are you sure?
>>Are you sure?
No I'm sure it did exist in innie circles. Dead Base made it possible for a dumb teenager in New Hampshire to know too.
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on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 – 03:51 pm
Here are a few.
Here are a few.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Localcountyline Localcountyline
on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 – 03:54 pm
Couple more. I remember
Couple more. I remember meeting him in Rochester and Toronto. I thought it was a great idea.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Blue Rose Task Force Rock And Roll Goddess
on Wednesday, May 13, 2020 – 08:24 am
You are welcome Mr. Edwards,
You are welcome Mr. Edwards,
Finding those articles, brought back some nice memories.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Wednesday, May 13, 2020 – 08:30 am
(((memories)))
(((memories)))
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Roarshock Roarshock
on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 – 01:50 pm
I love the Grateful Dead
I love the Grateful Dead FOREVER!