We Are Now In the Disappearing People Part

Gestapo tactics.  The end is here. 

How far a leap until they shut down this site?  And Colbert, the Daily Show and anybody daring to put the truth out there?

Even the idiots got to be a little concerned.   No, nevermind.  They are idiots. 

Gestapo indeed, she wasn't even a protester, just a student journalist who was critical of the university response to students' demand that the uni divest from israel. 

 

Guessing she didn’t have $5million for the Gold Card

Already whisked away some 2000 miles:

"By Wednesday evening, ICE records indicated that Ozturk was being held in Louisiana. The agency’s Online Detainee Locator System listed her as being detained at the South Louisiana Correctional Center in Basile, La."

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2025/03/26/ice-arrests-tufts-grad...
 

Has there been any official announcement of exactly why she was seized?

Don't get me wrong, I fully expected this type of thing to start happening and believe it's likely if not absolutely certain that because of what she wrote she was singled out as part of the larger control through fear neo-fascist regime we're stuck in now, I'm just curious how they're spinning this one.

"It's the liberals fault!!!"

Somehow it always seems to come to that, it's their default response to everything. It's become morbidity interesting to see how many ways they can stretch that one excuse.

Deny, blame, attack, repeat.

That's a shitty way to construct an administration, but it's worked very well for them.

Will there be a breaking point?

Other than lots of talk, real change from this path we're on will only happen if many, many of the mindless MAGA supporters turn against them.

By definition those people are pretty mindless and I don't think the MAGA machine will let it get that far.

Unfortunately, as stupid & evil as the MAGA machine is I believe they have a plan, one that relies on fear and ignorance. They've already got the later going for them and they're working hard to develop the former.

It's gonna' get worse before it gets better.

Last gasp of the patriarchy 

Because they ain't going down easy 

If this is happening already 

Some of his heroes incorporate such things as the execution of any and all drug users 

And you know chopping up journalists 

To name a couple

> their lawful status should be revoked, since charges were not filed against her

So much for due process. It was nice while it lasted. What's up next? Summary executions?

Governor Shit of Oklahoma fires the Chief Forester after major wildfires burned 170, 000 acres, 400 homes, and killing 4 people.  It has been a very dry spring season here with many days of high winds, and this guy had 40 years experience, but one of the homes that burned to the ground was the governors own home. 

https://www.kosu.org/energy-environment/2025-03-26/governor-reveals-okla...

never heard of canary mission. fuck these guys. i mean....the whole nazi thing...bueller? 

https://canarymission.org/professors?query=

While Bash has long run Canary Mission’s operations, the man with the money pulling the strings appears to be multimillionaire Adam Milstein, a convicted felon and close associate of the late multibillionaire Israel supporter Sheldon Adelson.

 https://www.thenation.com/article/world/canary-mission-israel-covert-ope...

Miriam Adelson has delivered on a pledge she reportedly made at the start of the general election season, donating $100 million to a campaign committee supporting the candidacy of Donald Trump, according to disclosures filed Tuesday with the Federal Election Commission.

 

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A major funder of pro-Israel politics and a prolific donor to Jewish causes, Adelson, 79, is carrying on a legacy she built with her late husband, casino magnate Sheldon Adelson. The Adelson family has long been one of the largest sources of campaign money for Republican candidates and has backed Trump during each of the last three general elections. Now, the widow is wielding an estimated net worth of $35 billion on her own. Though seen as more deliberate in her decision-making, she has not meaningfully departed from her late husband’s politics.

 https://www.timesofisrael.com/miriam-adelson-gives-100-million-to-trump-...

these deportations are the end result of the propagandistic rhetoric used by the pro isreal movement to equate antizionism and criticism of isreal as antisemitism, cast pro palestinian slogans and protests as pro-hamas or pro terrorist, to equate calls for boycotts, divestment and sanctions as calls for the "destruction of isreal", and to create moral panic with the hoax of some kind of incredible wave of left wing antisemitism sweeping college campuses and the country, while the real backers of the american pro isreal movement like the adelsons and APAIC cosy up to donald trump, the far right, andchristian zionists where there actually does exist a huge wave of antisemitism in the form of rising neonazism and great replacement/NWO conspiracies.

this is it, this is the end result - arresting and deporting people for criticizing isreal or supporting palestine. i think most of the people who engage in this kind of rhetoric, including the few zoners who do, know deep down that most of the people they accuse of being pro-hamas or supporting oct 7 dont actually support those things, and maybe when they see an authoritarian like trump using that same rhetoric to deport legal immigrants and break up families over legitamate political views they might think twice...but i doubt it. 

> Is people with Autism tats disappeared into El Salvadorian hell holes more evil enough to counter the fact that Kamala was also evil now?

I want to believe that AI wrote that sentence.

but I know they are never at fault for the consequences.

no, the people protesting killing of  civilians and ethnic cleansing are not responsible for the political results the previous administration wrought upon itself by funding that ethnic cleansing.

dont really know how to respond to the totally unintelligible second part of that post

> Is people with Autism tats disappeared into El Salvadorian hell holes more evil enough to counter the fact that Kamala was also evil now?

El Nino, what does that mean?

so the evil isnt not kamala but rather the bigger one that eats four breakfasts. seventy nine has already happened and the pickle juice is sweet in venezula

Anyone else imagining drizzling maple syrup all over that pancake?

And they thought it couldn't happen here
(duh duh duh)
They knew it couldn't happen here
They were so sure it couldn't happen here
But... 

(F Zappa)

Benway loves to speak in gross hyperbole. First of all, nobody on this dbmb has been crying about the words the pro Palestinian folks use. The words the pro Hamas people use do cross lines, but nobody on this board goes there. I think most people see the differences between shit like "free Palestine" and "stop the genocide" vs "globalize the intifada" and "from the river to the sea..." Personally, say whatever the fuck you want. If people want to redefine intifada or Naziism to suit their needs, I really couldn't care less. 

Of course, Benway did blame all this on the AIPAC and whatever stupid conspiracy crap that folks are using. Blah, blah, blah...

 Instead, blame our fucked up administration and the growing fear in the right of Islam taking over the West by 2050.  Nah, fuck it, just keep blaming those powerful Jews that run everything.

Here Are Trump’s Top Billionaire Donors

https://www.forbes.com/sites/leokamin/2024/08/14/here-are-trumps-top-bil...

Well, judging by the names and industries on this list, I'm guessing that it's Christians that are running the USA. Blame them and their religious leaders that are eager for the apocalypse.  

(Oh wait -- that doesn't rile up the audience on conspiracy talk radio, blasting into the dark forests of America, who eagerly listen to increase their dopamine levels, and hence increase the profits of these fine journalistic "news" outlets.)

"The top industries among Trump’s top billionaire backers are casinos (4), finance (3) and oil and gas (3)."

What really freaks me out is the way these ICE police are dressed. Why not wear official uniforms or plainclothes? (And they look so young.)

Are they supposed to be "undercover" with black outfits and masks on? Are they supposed to not be suspicious looking? 

I don't think they are going to blend in very well in the parking lot of the local poultry slaughtering plant in Kansas. They look like a gang of teenage anarchists.

If they really wanted to look intimidating and historically relevant, they should probably dress in "all white".

Also -- where is the outrage about evil humans in other parts of the world? Why do the Mediterranean killers get all the attention?

"Since Sudan gained independence 1956, more than 2.5 million Sudanese have been killed as a result of brutal conflicts, including two civil wars that resulted in the breaking away in 2011 of what is now South Sudan. From 2003–2005, the government of Sudan under President Omar al-Bashir, with the help of the Janjaweed Arab militias, committed genocide in the region of Darfur. Targeting non-Arab ethnic groups, they killed more than 200,000 people and displaced more than 2 million."

"The Rohingya genocide is a series of ongoing persecutions and killings of the Muslim Rohingya people by the military of Myanmar. ...The crisis forced over a million Rohingya to flee to other countries. ...Several countries consider these events ethnic cleansing....The persecution of Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar dates back to at least the 1970s.[11] Since then, the Rohingya people have been persecuted on a regular basis by the government and Buddhist nationalists.[12] ..., a study which was conducted in January 2018 estimated that the military and the local Rakhine population killed at least 25,000 Rohingya people and perpetrated gang rapes and other forms of sexual violence against 18,000 Rohingya women and girls."

"The Second Congo War and its aftermath caused an estimated 5.4 million deaths, primarily due to disease and malnutrition, making it the deadliest conflict since World War II, according to a 2008 report by the International Rescue Committee.[13] However, this figure has been disputed, with some researchers arguing that many of the deaths may have occurred regardless of the war and that the actual death toll was closer to 3 million. The conflict also displaced approximately 2 million people, forcing them to flee their homes or seek asylum in neighboring countries.[11] Additionally, the war was heavily funded by the trade of conflict minerals, which continues to fuel violence in the region."

(Wikapedia refs)

Trump is trying to scare everyone so that all dissent is silenced. Madison would be appalled. Who are we? I don't know anymore.

 At least many of us are in this together, Lil. I feel afraid at times and then I remember we're here together in community. Keep the love flowing.

I keep thinking of Germany in the 30's.

Control through intimidation and fear. Oldest playbook around.

Even if the judges and a shred of common sense & decency are eventually able to get some if not most of these criminal acts overturned and the innocent are released and the guilty get some basic human rights, the MAGA machine will have accomplished their objective; scare the shit out of everybody and drive them to their knees.

Anyway, as with all things, it's important to remember that no matter how bad it gets, this too shall pass.

Until then, I'm the guy with the drink...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvp3WE1ve4A

>>> Until then, I'm the guy with the drink...

And the baseball cap

When will we start speaking out loud what is necessary?

Revolution!!!!!

Up the road from me 

https://www.syracuse.com/politics/2025/04/mom-3-kids-detained-in-cruel-h...

Bukele, Abrego Garcia, and Red Lines

Over the next 36 hours, one of three things will happen.

(1) Bukele will agree to repatriate Abrego Garcia to the United States. He will insist that this decision is entirely his own and that he has chosen to do so as a token of good will toward President Trump.

(2) Bukele will defer the decision, saying that he is considering returning Abrego Garcia but has not yet made up his mind.

(3) Bukele will refuse to return Abrego Garcia. He will say that this is an internal matter on which the American courts can have no say. He will claim that Abrego Garcia is a criminal, a danger, and a threat to El Salvador.1

If (1) comes to pass, then a constitutional crisis will have been postponed. Both Trump and SCOTUS can claim to have held firm, but no further action will be necessary until Trump creates the next showdown.

If (2) happens, then all of the pressure falls to the district judge, who will be in the position of trying to manage the U.S. government’s lawyers as they stall, obfuscate, and attempt to evade the fact that they are making a direct challenge to the authority of the judicial system.

But if it’s number 3?

Let’s speak plainly once more: Kilmar Abrego Garcia will not return to the United States unless Donald Trump wants him to. The Supreme Court has the (theoretical) power to force the president to take some actions. But it does not have the power to compel the president’s wishes. And Abrego Garcia’s fate is tied to Trump’s wishes, not any act that Trump might perform.

So the question is: Is the Supreme Court willing to risk a final showdown on presidential power and authoritarianism in America at this moment?

I can see it both ways. On the one hand, the Court is vulnerable. There is no institution within the federal government to join it in a final stand against the executive. If it waits until 2027, then perhaps one house of Congress will be capable of standing with it in battle.

And if SCOTUS pushes all in on this case and loses, then it can no longer even pretend to have authority over the executive. After just three months of Trump’s rule, the Constitution will have become a dead letter.

On the other hand, the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia is not a technical abstraction. It is not about some theory of government functioning. It is about the president’s use of secret police to abduct a man from American soil and send him to a foreign gulag.

For the Supreme Court to allow the government’s actions to stand after declaring them—unanimously—to be unconstitutional, is to declare open season on all enemies of the president. If Abrego Garcia can be kept in El Salvador in contravention of both the written law and the demands of the Supreme Court of the United States then there is nothing—literally nothing—stopping the administration from snatching whatever individual it chooses, putting him on a plane to El Salvador, and then claiming that what is done is done.

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/bukele-abrego-garcia-and-red-lines

Trump’s Wildly Unconstitutional Plot to Banish U.S. Citizens to Gulags

Among the most disturbing ideas floated by the Trump administration in recent weeks is the possibility that it will send U.S. citizens to be imprisoned by the Salvadoran government. Nayib Bukele, El Salvador’s Trump-friendly president, reportedly made the offer in recent weeks. Trump raised the possibility with reporters in the Oval Office last week, though he conceded that he “[doesn’t] know what the law says on that.”

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt also said it was under serious consideration. “The president has said if it’s legal, right, if there is a legal pathway to do that, he’s not sure,” she told reporters at a press briefing. “We are not sure if there is. It’s an idea that he has simply floated and has discussed very publicly as in the effort of transparency.” She claimed the practice would be reserved for “heinous, violent criminals who have broken our nation’s laws repeatedly.”

https://newrepublic.com/article/193940/trump-exile-banishment-law-uncons...

El Salvador President Nayib Bukele says he won’t return Abrego Garcia to U.S

El Salvador President Nayib Bukele said Monday that he would not return Kilmar Abrego Garcia to the United States despite a U.S. Supreme Court order that says the Trump administration should facilitate his return.

“The question is preposterous,” Bukele said at the White House during a meeting with President Donald Trump, when he was asked about sending Abrego Garcia back from the notorious Salvadoran prison where he has been held since being forcibly deported in March.

“How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States?” Bukele said. “I don’t have the power to return him to the United States.”

Top Trump administration officials at the same Oval Office meeting suggested they would not comply with Maryland U.S. District Court Judge Paula Xinis’ demand that officials facilitate Abrego Garcia’s return from his native country

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/14/abrego-garcia-el-salvador-trump-nayib-bu...

Anytime someone has to describe a “legal pathway” to accomplish something you know damn well it’s illegal

Incredible.  Setting aside issues with contempt of court, not returning a lawful resident who the administration already admitted was wrongly deported is just a shitty, mean spirited thing to do.

The cruelty is the whole point.

^it's more that cruelty 

"The Homegrowns Are Next’: Trump Promises to Send American Citizens to El Salvador in Harrowing Comments to Bukele

"The homegrowns are next.”

Those are the chilling words uttered by President Donald Trump to El Salvador’s President Nayib Bukele surreptitiously captured in a casual Oval Office conversation before the White House pool entered

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/the-home-growns-are-next-trump-promises-t...

Yes it was a fortuitous "accident" for Trump.

Now he knows he can send anyone anytime .

A student here at a small, local Jesuit college had their visa revoked.  No word on "disappearing".

Yet.

We are also an active small port, likely to be skipped by the Chinese as they manage the bullshit.

The local business fucks, who support the GOP, are actually pissed.

Will they act? I doubt it.

They will act only when forced.   When it impacts them or their donors directly

"Now is the time of the furnaces, and only light should be seen."

...Jose Marti

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H42zWaD4A4s&t=49s

It's not just the First (freedom of speech, assembly, and religion)
but also the Fourth (right to be secure).
Fifth (due process),
Sixth (speedy and public trial),
Seventh (trial by jury),
and Eighth (cruel and unusual punishment).

I'm not quite sure where all the strict Constitutionalists have gone.

Where have all the strict Constitutionalists gone?

Gone to MAGA every one

When will they ever learn?

They've learned how to game the system. They're strict interpreters of the Constitution when it suits their purposes, and ignore it when it doesn't.

Contempt of court:   https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/g-s1-60696/judge-probable-cause-to-hold-u...

They are defying the courts without consequence.

A contempt ruling is toothless.

Republicans in Congress almost unanimously endorse the regime. 

Zak Starkey just got disappeared from The Who by Roger Daltrey.

^^^^he didn't go quietly. 

"HEARD TODAY FROM INSIDE SOURCE WITHIN WHOSE HORSES NOSE THAT TOGER DAKTREY LEAD SINGER AND PRINCIPAL SONGWRITER OF THE GROUP UNHAPPY WITH ZAK THE DRUMMER’S PERFORMANCE AT THE ALBERT HALL A FEW WEEKS AGO IS BRINGING FORMAL CHARGES OF OVERPLAYING AND IS LITERALLY GOING TO ZAK THE DRUMMER AND BRING ON A RESERVE FROM ‘THE BURWASH CARWASH SKIFFLE ‘N’ TICKLE GLEE CLUB HARMONY WITHOUT EMPATHY ALLSTARS’ THIS HAS BEEN CONFIRMED BY WHOSE LONG TIME MANAGER WILLYA YOUWONTYOUKNOW"  (All Caps in Original)

Guess Daltrey stopped the show mid-song to bitch about Son of Ringo's overplaying (which is ironic considering Keith Moon invented overplaying).   Last time I saw the Who, he also stopped the show mid-song to bitch about something. 

Trump is immune. The DOJ won’t cooperate. Trump can pardon any individual charged.

Toothless.

White House Senior Director for Counterterrorism Seb Gorka accused critics of mass deportation of being “on the side of terrorists.” He even went so far as to far to suggest those critics are breaking the law by “aiding and abetting” terrorism

Gorka went on to say President Donald Trump loves America, unlike “the other side that is on the side of the cartel members, on the side of the illegal aliens on the side of the terrorists."

"And you have to ask yourself, are they technically aiding and abetting them?” Gorka asked. “Because aiding and abetting criminals and terrorists is a crime in federal statute.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/white-house-counterterrorism-official-sugges...

>>>>if they had only deported MS-13 gang members without due process no one would have cared

I understand the optics, but even if it was just gang members or even the worst criminals imaginable, the Fifth Amendment right to due process is still important.  I am concerned that this fundamental concept might get lost in the whole "is he a gang member" debate.  Whether he is or isn't ultimately doesn't matter.  I don't care if you are Ted Bundy, nobody gets flown out the country in the dead of night and thrown in a foreign prison without due process. 

This doesn't sound much different from the practice of extraordinary rendition about 25 years ago, the only real difference being that people are being snatched in the US instead of abroad.

My first husband was a public defender in Portland. He defended the most reprehensible people and when I asked him why, he said, "Everyone deserves an attorney".

Everyone deserves due process, it's the constitution, it's the law.

>>>>if they had only deported MS-13 gang members without due process no one would have cared

I understand the optics, but even if it was just gang members or even the worst criminals imaginable, the Fifth Amendment right to due process is still important.  I am concerned that this fundamental concept might get lost in the whole "is he a gang member" debate.  Whether he is or isn't ultimately doesn't matter.  I don't care if you are Ted Bundy, nobody gets flown out the country in the dead of night and thrown in a foreign prison without due process. 

100%. when ive looked at the abrego garcia issue, it honestly does seem fairly likely that he is a member of, or associated with, MS13, and there is a small history of violent crime.

personally, even without due process and a trial and all that, i dont necessarily have a problem with deporting people like garcia, who despite not being convicted of a gang related crime, does have criminal history indicating gang affiliation, the problem is sending them to this prison in el salvador and treating them like a convicted inmate while in custody awaiting deportation or rendition. if someone being deported has not been convicted of a crime they should not be treated like an inmate and should have a right to a fast and relatively comfortable trip back to their own country whether it be by bus, plane etc.

i dont know why we cant just have a normal immigration policy in this country. we went from basically allowing anyone to waltz right in at their leisure and claim asylum to shipping people without a trial to gitmo 2.0 for quite possibly the rest of their lives. i will never understand why people cant just move towards the obvious compromise of reforming legal immigration to make it easier and faster while also securing the border from illegal crossings and deporting all immigrants who have committed violent crimes or other serious felonies.

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>100%. when ive looked at the abrego garcia issue, it honestly does seem fairly likely that he is a member of, or associated with, MS13, and there is a small history of violent crime<

>>Personally,even without due process and a trial and all that, i dont necessarily have a problem with deporting people like garcia, who despite not being convicted of a gang related crime, does have criminal history indicating gang affiliation<<

The Justice Department shared records, not previously made public, detailing how police officers in Maryland assessed Abrego Garcia was a member of the MS-13 gang during an arrest in 2019. He had no criminal history at the time, which the documents also state, and his attorneys have denied that he is a gang member

Abrego Garcia was handed over to immigration authorities, and he wound his way through the legal process. Later in 2019, an immigration judge barred him from being sent to El Salvador. The order said he proved he had a “well-founded fear of future persecution” from local gangs, and he was granted a withholding of removal to the country, which allowed him to stay in the United States temporarily and receive a work permit.  

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-documents-government-case-mista...

This is all about the regime instilling fear in those in opposition. 

"...we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”

Kevin Roberts 

President Heritage Foundation 

Won't be bloodless.

GuaranGodDamnteed!

The left is bent on hitching its cart to this criminal in El Salvador and the right is selling it as exactly that. These dem senators and congressmen should be visiting the Sackets Harbor kids taken from their school and shipped off "accidentally" instead .... the plight of the innocent children reads much differently than the MS13 gang member story 

No sign of Abrego Garcia's return, but Zak Starkey just got welcomed back to The Who, so anything's possible. 

News Flash! Who Backs Zak!

He's not being asked to step down from The Who.

There have been some communication issues, personal and private on all sides, that needed to be dealt with, and these have been aired happily.

Roger and I would like Zak to tighten up his latest evolved drumming style to accommodate our non-orchestral line up and he has readily agreed. I take responsibility for some of the confusion. Our TCT shows at the Royal Albert Hall were a little tricky for me. I thought that four and a half weeks would be enough time to recover completely from having a complete knee replacement. (Why did I ever think I could land on my knees?) Wrong!

Maybe we didn’t put enough time into sound checks, giving us problems on stage. The sound in the centre of the stage is always the most difficult to work with. Roger did nothing wrong but fiddle with his in-ear monitors. Zak made a few mistakes and he has apologised. Albeit with a rubber duck drummer.

We are a family, this blew up very quickly and got too much oxygen. It’s over. We move forward now with optimism and fire in our bellies.

As for Roger, fans can enjoy his forthcoming solo shows with his fabulous drummer, Scott Devours, who it was rumoured might replace Zak in The Who and has always been supportive of the band.

I owe Scott an apology for not crushing that rumour before it spread. He has been hurt by this. I promise to buy him a very long drink and give him a hug.