People who lived through what are probably the three best decades to be an adult (70's, 80's, 90's) have turned into their fucking grand parents in old age.
Despite the counterculture still lots of conservatives in that sample, like Weir's songwriting buddy.
In 2016 50+ voters roughly 53% Trump, 44% Clinton. That's about 33 million olds voting Democratic. Without that voting block the Democratic coalition is doomed.
Democrats always win when the coalition shows up.
Let's talk about voter turnout among the youngs next, shall we?
"Voter turnout also increased as age, educational attainment and income increased. Voter turnout was highest among those ages 65 to 74 at 76.0%, while the percentage was lowest among those ages 18 to 24 at 51.4%."
WTF is wrong with people who view everything through a political lens?<<<
With a documented insurrection that appears to be continuing full force; along with evidence of espionage of our nation's top secrets, how would it not be a dereliction of duty as a citizen NOT to look at the political side of things as a potential solution?
I'll tell you what's wrong with old people. They wake up at 4:00 AM to pee, and as they enter the bathroom, a sudden sneeze violently erupts from them that causes them to lose their footing on a throw rug on the tile floor, which gets them all twisted up just before they come crashing down hard with their lower back slamming into the edge of the bathtub.
Old People is a huge group of people. As an Old Person, I don't want to be lumped together with a bunch of people who may be doing reprehensible things like voting for Republicans or worse.
Not sure where you luve but here here's so many geriatrics causing so much trouble (car accidents, etc.) , all gooked up. They set out for the polls and end up at a casino.
Yeah sorry brother mikee, but all you old pathetic brainwashed saps supporting big pharma should all just be Soylent fuckin Green'd.
Need meds to keep going = You had a nice run but your time is up.
Here's the injection of your choice, now into the green machine ya go.
Take some initiative, make better choices, heal yourself.
I do grow my own, Ras, but unfortunately, the pots only provide very limited relief from nerve pain and rheumatoid arthritis, whereas gabapentin and prednisone have returned me to near-normal function. Too bad they're physically addicting though.
I won't opt for the soylent solution though. I'm having too much fun hanging around and doling out shit to nudniks like you.
whereas gabapentin and prednisone have returned me to near-normal function. Too bad they're physically addicting though.<<<
Hey Mike, have you ever suddenly stopped gabapentin and noticed any physical withdrawal symptoms?
I've been taking 225mg / day of Lyrica and forgot to take it entirely yesterday ... and wound up smoking some pot around 9:30pm that evening at someone's apartment and quickly was overcome by feeling lightheaded and nauseous. Had to chill for at least an hour before being able to get up and leave. Lights and sounds were totally making it worse. Wound up throwing up when I got back home and woke up feeling a little better, but still affected in the same way.
> Hey Mike, have you ever suddenly stopped gabapentin and noticed any physical withdrawal symptoms?
Yes I have, Face, and I'll never do it again. About a year ago, I decided I was taking too many pills, and decided to stop taking my gabapentin. I was fine for most of that day, but then I started feeling strange. Like really strange. Burning hot and freezing cold. Hyper-sensitive to light and sounds. Nauseous. Bad GI cramps. And agitated. Really agitated. Like I couldn't sit down, and this went on for hours. I didn't understand what was going on. My mind was filled with anxious thoughts. I thought I was dying, and then wishing I would just die.
Looking back, I can see that what I was going through was not that different from the withdrawal scene in the film Trainspotting. This went on for about 20 hours before I had a moment of clarity and realized that my stopping the gabapentin might have something to do with what I was going through, so I took a dose. 60 minutes later, it felt like what I was going through was fading, and after about 90 minutes, I was straight as an arrow again.
Prednisone is also physically addicting. My RA doc tried to taper me off that one earlier this year, but he did it too quickly, and I found myself headed into a withdrawal episode again. This time though I knew what was happening and took another dose before things got too hairy.
The irony here is that I quit drinking and doing hard drugs 30 years ago, and now I'm (legally) addicted to two pharmaceuticals. I never let those scripts run low, and never miss a dose by more than an hour or so. I honestly think I'd kill myself if I had to go through another experience like that first one again.
Is lack of compassion and empathy something about people whose handles start with Ra?
Those of us who need pills to survive put them in any box that works, starting at whatever age we need them. I'm glad to be alive. And that I have pills that help keep me that way.
Oh! There's the alarm on my phone that reminds me to take the pill I take to keep my cancer at bay. It's in a white pill box, today's is in the Saturday compartment. Because of it's ingredients it has to be in its own box - just another thing to keep going.
> Hey Mike, have you ever suddenly stopped gabapentin and noticed any physical withdrawal symptoms?
Yes I have, Face, and I'll never do it again. About a year ago, I decided I was taking too many pills, and decided to stop taking my gabapentin. I was fine for most of that day, but then I started feeling strange. Like really strange. Burning hot and freezing cold. Hyper-sensitive to light and sounds. Nauseous. Bad GI cramps. And agitated. Really agitated. Like I couldn't sit down, and this went on for hours. I didn't understand what was going on. My mind was filled with anxious thoughts. I thought I was dying, and then wishing I would just die.
Looking back, I can see that what I was going through was not that different from the withdrawal scene in the film Trainspotting. This went on for about 20 hours before I had a moment of clarity and realized that my stopping the gabapentin might have something to do with what I was going through, so I took a dose. 60 minutes later, it felt like what I was going through was fading, and after about 90 minutes, I was straight as an arrow again.<<<<
Thanks for sharing Mike. With the exception of anxiety, it sounds very similar. I forgot I also had cold / hot flashes with sweats. I suspect I made it far worse with the bong hit, but clearly this classification of drugs is not intended for an abrupt cessation. I'm actually very intuitive about knowing whether I need to taper something and knew this about Lyrica (and Gabapentin), but just totally spaced it and wasn't cognizant just how bad a withdrawal it'd be for me even just within the 24 hour window. Yeah, I don't EVER want to go through that again! Unless I'm an outlier, it really makes me question whether this class of drugs has less baggage than opiates? There are some weird psychoactive effects I noticed apart from withdrawal that I imagine could really make someone flip out who's not cognizant of this potential.
Have you ever tried Lyrica or Lyrica ES? I tried Gabapentin prior and it was effective for nerve pain, but the "deal breaker" (at dosages >= 300mg) was that it exacerbated some unrelated issues to my back / leg pain involving shortness / tightness of breath. Even though I found it more effective, the other negative baggage I noticed was how it spun my mind up into a darker space. I found Lyrica to have less of this effect.
Face, I take gabapentin for nerve pain that results from a bulging disc in my neck (L4-5), and stenosis, which is a narrowing of the spinal canal. The pain, which runs from my shoulder down to the tips of my fingers, is excruciating and completely debilitating. I had an epidural for it at one point, but got no relief. 300 mg of gabapentin three times a day, plus methocarbamol, which is a muscle relaxer, give me 100% relief.
I've not tried Lyrica, and I've not noticed any psychoactive effects from the gabapentin, or any side effects at all from it, and I'm no stranger to side effects. Almost everything my rheumatologist has prescribed me for my RA, like 5-6 drugs in the last year or so, has given me side effects, ranging from swollen feet and ankles to anxiety attacks. That's where the prednisone comes in. A maintenance dose of 5 mg a day gives me about 90-95% relief, and hasn't given me any side effects after more than a year on it.
I think it's a lot less than those advanced forms of understanding, judit; it's a simple lack of foresight. I think Ras will come to regret saying these things once he has to come to grips with his own mortality, or that of his loved ones. Ignorance is bliss, ya know?
And Racket just seems to think it's cool to be a badass in what is increasingly becoming a geriatric ward. He's beyond redemption in my book.
Mike, that's a lot of gabapentin per day, but totally get how one is able to ramp up the dosage to that level. It's interesting to see how other ailments can have much lower dosage levels. Glad you found the right combo that helps. As much as I'm not a fan of the side effects I've experienced, I have noticed a significant efficacy in both drugs' ability to mute nerve pain. In fact, I was extremely skeptical while being exclusively on oxycodone until I tried gabapentin (before Lyrica) and noticed a significant improvement.
Glad you've found a regimen that provides relief and that you're not experiencing any of the side effects I described. However, one thing I noticed is that it's only upon starting, stopping or switching over from one to the other did I more fully detect the psychoactive nature of these substances. None of these effects are over the top, but the "darker tone" of gabapentin was noticable. Once I'm on them at the target dosage for a little bit, I'm mostly unaware in a "frog boiling in water" sort of way - for either lyrica and gabapentin.
It's possible my brain is somewhat hypersensitive ... which also carries over into what one might find in the lot. I'm very quick to point out how a particular item might be off a bit in such a such direction. Similarly, if I use that item again and again from the same batch, it becomes "normalized" ... until I come across a new batch.
I get that Face, but it does what it's supposed to do with no side effects, and it means I don't have to think about surgery on my spine, which freaks me the fuck out.
I get that Face, but it does what it's supposed to do with no side effects, and it means I don't have to think about surgery on my spine, which freaks me the fuck out.<<<
I totally understand about not wanting surgery! Even knowing what I know about how it affects me, I'd also still likely try the drug route first before surgery.
Unfortunately, the muscle weakness / buckling of my leg is kinda forcing me to go the surgical route; and I now have a date set for Dec 13 for microdiscectomy and laminectomy at L3/L4.
Thanks Mike, I hope so too! Unless something goes seriously wrong, the most I'd be hospitalized for is one night for observation. With a microdiscectomy, there's essentially no "recovery" other than avoiding lifting anything over 10lbs for 6 weeks and not making any quick moves (twisting and such). Supposedly, the pain / pressure on the nerve is instantly relieved, but nerve recovery (if it all) might be a long road.
Yeah, I knew you meant C4/C5. I had an artificial disc replacement at C6/C7 in 2015 due to weakness in tricep, pectoral, and trapazoid. I was very hesitant about the surgery and probably waited too long 5.5 months ... so nerve recovery wasn't 100%. If it were just pain (it was excruciating as you've indicated), I'd likely also try whatever non-surgical treatments that worked. Having said that, I do think the artificial disc (if you're a candidate) is worth considering ... since it preserves the range of motion and might present as much potential for adjacent segment disorder (being less of a "fulcrum" point vs. fusion) ... which can cause issues with the disc at the level below.
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on Wednesday, November 9, 2022 – 12:18 pm
Personally, I have some pain
Personally, I have some pain in my left foot. I think it's a plantar fasciitis thing, but it's not too bad right now.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: aiq aiq
on Wednesday, November 9, 2022 – 12:24 pm
Didn't lose my vote so not
Didn't lose my vote so not everyone.
Despite the counterculture still lots of conservatives in that sample, like Weir's songwriting buddy.
In 2016 50+ voters roughly 53% Trump, 44% Clinton. That's about 33 million olds voting Democratic. Without that voting block the Democratic coalition is doomed.
Democrats always win when the coalition shows up.
Let's talk about voter turnout among the youngs next, shall we?
"Voter turnout also increased as age, educational attainment and income increased. Voter turnout was highest among those ages 65 to 74 at 76.0%, while the percentage was lowest among those ages 18 to 24 at 51.4%."
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee Herbal Dave
on Wednesday, November 9, 2022 – 12:31 pm
WTF is wrong with people who
WTF is wrong with people who view everything through a political lens?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees FaceOnMars
on Wednesday, November 9, 2022 – 12:42 pm
WTF is wrong with people who
WTF is wrong with people who view everything through a political lens?<<<
With a documented insurrection that appears to be continuing full force; along with evidence of espionage of our nation's top secrets, how would it not be a dereliction of duty as a citizen NOT to look at the political side of things as a potential solution?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote Stringtwang
on Wednesday, November 9, 2022 – 01:41 pm
I voted by telephone. The
I voted by telephone. The nice young man who called me said it would be easier and it was!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skyjunk fabes
on Wednesday, November 9, 2022 – 02:52 pm
You did not see this coming
You did not see this coming during the era of the Yuppie? Telegraphed from way back then
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind mikeedwardsetc
on Wednesday, November 9, 2022 – 04:37 pm
I'll tell you what's wrong
I'll tell you what's wrong with old people. They wake up at 4:00 AM to pee, and as they enter the bathroom, a sudden sneeze violently erupts from them that causes them to lose their footing on a throw rug on the tile floor, which gets them all twisted up just before they come crashing down hard with their lower back slamming into the edge of the bathtub.
I blame the Repuglicans.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: JP (J Bomb) Tatters
on Wednesday, November 9, 2022 – 04:41 pm
Now your patrons have all
Now your patrons have all left you in the red
Your low-rent friends are dead
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Wednesday, November 9, 2022 – 05:51 pm
Old People is a huge group of
Old People is a huge group of people. As an Old Person, I don't want to be lumped together with a bunch of people who may be doing reprehensible things like voting for Republicans or worse.
But it should be a band name.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf Bss
on Wednesday, November 9, 2022 – 05:59 pm
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Faye Dunaway jlp
on Wednesday, November 9, 2022 – 08:00 pm
I was sure the was a Raz
I was sure the was a Raz thread lololol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ismelltoadsmoke joe
on Wednesday, November 9, 2022 – 08:41 pm
I ate another gummy because i
I ate what i believe to be a second gummy because i can't remember if i actually ate one, or i just think i ate one.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: doctor doolittle
on Wednesday, November 9, 2022 – 09:11 pm
Wisdom
Wisdom
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Don Volume Burnz
on Wednesday, November 9, 2022 – 10:36 pm
I'm cold, my body has aches
I'm cold, my body has aches and those DAMN KIDS ARE ON MY LAWN AGAIN!!!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Alan R StoneSculptor
on Wednesday, November 9, 2022 – 11:07 pm
dude you haven't lived until
dude you haven't lived until you're checking out 50-some-year-old hippie chicks at the local Whole Foods cause they're younger than you
disclaimer - I wouldn't know as I'm happily married and would never do that, never
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Origional APL G.Dad
on Thursday, November 10, 2022 – 09:30 am
Seniors turn out big my
Seniors turn out big my polling was like a Geriatric singles bar...Very nice..
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary Rasmataz
on Thursday, November 10, 2022 – 02:27 pm
Doctor's have em all gooked
Doctor's have em all gooked up on all manor of prescription drugs these days. That shit can't be good for cognitive function.
I bet they're all fuckin repub doctor's
(new conspiracy theory)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind mikeedwardsetc
on Thursday, November 10, 2022 – 02:59 pm
Ras, if by "all gooked up"
Ras, if by "all gooked up" you mean keeping me alive and relatively pain-free, then yes, I'm all gooked up.
I don't know how my docs swing politically. Not sure I want to either.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Tim Wheres My Flashbacks
on Friday, November 11, 2022 – 01:06 pm
.....they smell, drive slow,
.....they smell, drive slow, have no control with flatulence, can't remember from one minute to the next and eat dinner at 4pm.
Oh, that's just me.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary Rasmataz
on Friday, November 11, 2022 – 02:06 pm
Sorry brother, but all the
Not sure where you luve but here here's so many geriatrics causing so much trouble (car accidents, etc.) , all gooked up. They set out for the polls and end up at a casino.
Yeah sorry brother mikee, but all you old pathetic brainwashed saps supporting big pharma should all just be Soylent fuckin Green'd.
Need meds to keep going = You had a nice run but your time is up.
Here's the injection of your choice, now into the green machine ya go.
Take some initiative, make better choices, heal yourself.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GDTRFB StrawBud
on Friday, November 11, 2022 – 02:13 pm
Fuck You, Ras.
Fuck You, Ras.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic (Bluestnote)
on Friday, November 11, 2022 – 02:15 pm
Talks about Jesus. Acts like
Talks about Jesus. Acts like a bag of dicks. Doesn't understand the apostrophe.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary Rasmataz
on Friday, November 11, 2022 – 02:31 pm
LOL you boring humorless
LOL you boring humorless assholes, nice to know the shoe fits.
The Zone,,, just like shootin fish in a barrel.
Hey mikee, what gives,,,, don't you grow yer own pain meds ? Watch that mixing shit up.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fishcane fishcane
on Friday, November 11, 2022 – 02:35 pm
Gooked up doesn't seem like
Gooked up doesn't seem like the preferred nomenclature
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind mikeedwardsetc
on Friday, November 11, 2022 – 02:44 pm
I do grow my own, Ras, but
I do grow my own, Ras, but unfortunately, the pots only provide very limited relief from nerve pain and rheumatoid arthritis, whereas gabapentin and prednisone have returned me to near-normal function. Too bad they're physically addicting though.
I won't opt for the soylent solution though. I'm having too much fun hanging around and doling out shit to nudniks like you.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Alan R StoneSculptor
on Friday, November 11, 2022 – 05:59 pm
humorless assholes?... I
humorless assholes?... I thought we were friends. What about when I took you fishing, despite what Bluesnote and everyone said about you.
Sitting on the dock, just the two of us, yappin about the Zone.... I even have a pic of you after you fell in and climbed back up on the dock.
(I'm the dry guy in the hat.)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Racketinmyhead Racketinmyhead
on Friday, November 11, 2022 – 08:16 pm
If you’re not a liberal when
If you’re not a liberal when you’re 25, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 40, you have no brain.’
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind mikeedwardsetc
on Friday, November 11, 2022 – 08:37 pm
If you're over 40 and think
If you're over 40 and think you have to choose between the two, you obviously have neither.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary Rasmataz
on Saturday, November 12, 2022 – 07:51 am
<< have turned into their
<< have turned into their fucking grand parents in old age.
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOM LOL LMHSFAOOOLOLL
So the zone's nothing more than a loosly wrapped rag tag collection of geriatric pill poppers
OMG that explains sooooooooo much
LOL LOL LOL LOLLLLLL
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees FaceOnMars
on Saturday, November 12, 2022 – 11:32 am
whereas gabapentin and
whereas gabapentin and prednisone have returned me to near-normal function. Too bad they're physically addicting though.<<<
Hey Mike, have you ever suddenly stopped gabapentin and noticed any physical withdrawal symptoms?
I've been taking 225mg / day of Lyrica and forgot to take it entirely yesterday ... and wound up smoking some pot around 9:30pm that evening at someone's apartment and quickly was overcome by feeling lightheaded and nauseous. Had to chill for at least an hour before being able to get up and leave. Lights and sounds were totally making it worse. Wound up throwing up when I got back home and woke up feeling a little better, but still affected in the same way.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf Bss
on Saturday, November 12, 2022 – 11:43 am
If you're over 12, and
If you're over 12, and incessantly post rotten shit on message boards where no one likes you anyways, you have no life
and no friends either
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind mikeedwardsetc
on Saturday, November 12, 2022 – 12:10 pm
> Hey Mike, have you ever
> Hey Mike, have you ever suddenly stopped gabapentin and noticed any physical withdrawal symptoms?
Yes I have, Face, and I'll never do it again. About a year ago, I decided I was taking too many pills, and decided to stop taking my gabapentin. I was fine for most of that day, but then I started feeling strange. Like really strange. Burning hot and freezing cold. Hyper-sensitive to light and sounds. Nauseous. Bad GI cramps. And agitated. Really agitated. Like I couldn't sit down, and this went on for hours. I didn't understand what was going on. My mind was filled with anxious thoughts. I thought I was dying, and then wishing I would just die.
Looking back, I can see that what I was going through was not that different from the withdrawal scene in the film Trainspotting. This went on for about 20 hours before I had a moment of clarity and realized that my stopping the gabapentin might have something to do with what I was going through, so I took a dose. 60 minutes later, it felt like what I was going through was fading, and after about 90 minutes, I was straight as an arrow again.
Prednisone is also physically addicting. My RA doc tried to taper me off that one earlier this year, but he did it too quickly, and I found myself headed into a withdrawal episode again. This time though I knew what was happening and took another dose before things got too hairy.
The irony here is that I quit drinking and doing hard drugs 30 years ago, and now I'm (legally) addicted to two pharmaceuticals. I never let those scripts run low, and never miss a dose by more than an hour or so. I honestly think I'd kill myself if I had to go through another experience like that first one again.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Racketinmyhead Racketinmyhead
on Saturday, November 12, 2022 – 02:01 pm
^^Might as well just start
^^Might as well just start smoking some blues.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary Rasmataz
on Saturday, November 12, 2022 – 02:15 pm
So 1st off, how bad are you
So 1st off, how bad are you mike, and other fuckers ?
Please don't tell me you use one'a those day of the week am pm pill popper reminder boxes !
OMG do you ?
WTF am I asking you for, you don't remember. Does your pet zone ? Get him on the line for me.
Just to be safe I'll help to keep you zombies juiced up - Time To Take Your Meds!!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Saturday, November 12, 2022 – 02:22 pm
Ras, I'm wondering if you
Ras, I'm wondering if you think you're humorous?
Is lack of compassion and empathy something about people whose handles start with Ra?
Those of us who need pills to survive put them in any box that works, starting at whatever age we need them. I'm glad to be alive. And that I have pills that help keep me that way.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Saturday, November 12, 2022 – 02:27 pm
Oh! There's the alarm on my
Oh! There's the alarm on my phone that reminds me to take the pill I take to keep my cancer at bay. It's in a white pill box, today's is in the Saturday compartment. Because of it's ingredients it has to be in its own box - just another thing to keep going.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees FaceOnMars
on Saturday, November 12, 2022 – 02:40 pm
> Hey Mike, have you ever
> Hey Mike, have you ever suddenly stopped gabapentin and noticed any physical withdrawal symptoms?
Yes I have, Face, and I'll never do it again. About a year ago, I decided I was taking too many pills, and decided to stop taking my gabapentin. I was fine for most of that day, but then I started feeling strange. Like really strange. Burning hot and freezing cold. Hyper-sensitive to light and sounds. Nauseous. Bad GI cramps. And agitated. Really agitated. Like I couldn't sit down, and this went on for hours. I didn't understand what was going on. My mind was filled with anxious thoughts. I thought I was dying, and then wishing I would just die.
Looking back, I can see that what I was going through was not that different from the withdrawal scene in the film Trainspotting. This went on for about 20 hours before I had a moment of clarity and realized that my stopping the gabapentin might have something to do with what I was going through, so I took a dose. 60 minutes later, it felt like what I was going through was fading, and after about 90 minutes, I was straight as an arrow again.<<<<
Thanks for sharing Mike. With the exception of anxiety, it sounds very similar. I forgot I also had cold / hot flashes with sweats. I suspect I made it far worse with the bong hit, but clearly this classification of drugs is not intended for an abrupt cessation. I'm actually very intuitive about knowing whether I need to taper something and knew this about Lyrica (and Gabapentin), but just totally spaced it and wasn't cognizant just how bad a withdrawal it'd be for me even just within the 24 hour window. Yeah, I don't EVER want to go through that again! Unless I'm an outlier, it really makes me question whether this class of drugs has less baggage than opiates? There are some weird psychoactive effects I noticed apart from withdrawal that I imagine could really make someone flip out who's not cognizant of this potential.
Have you ever tried Lyrica or Lyrica ES? I tried Gabapentin prior and it was effective for nerve pain, but the "deal breaker" (at dosages >= 300mg) was that it exacerbated some unrelated issues to my back / leg pain involving shortness / tightness of breath. Even though I found it more effective, the other negative baggage I noticed was how it spun my mind up into a darker space. I found Lyrica to have less of this effect.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MarkD ntfdaway
on Saturday, November 12, 2022 – 03:01 pm
My pill pusher ex doc tried
My pill pusher ex doc tried to give me that gaba shit but I did my research. No FUCKING thank you.
I take more supplements than meds, but still take a couple. And I use a box to be organized about it.
Oh, and fuck off asshole. christian garbage. How about you take a break from here and learn what jesus taught?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind mikeedwardsetc
on Saturday, November 12, 2022 – 03:16 pm
Face, I take gabapentin for
Face, I take gabapentin for nerve pain that results from a bulging disc in my neck (L4-5), and stenosis, which is a narrowing of the spinal canal. The pain, which runs from my shoulder down to the tips of my fingers, is excruciating and completely debilitating. I had an epidural for it at one point, but got no relief. 300 mg of gabapentin three times a day, plus methocarbamol, which is a muscle relaxer, give me 100% relief.
I've not tried Lyrica, and I've not noticed any psychoactive effects from the gabapentin, or any side effects at all from it, and I'm no stranger to side effects. Almost everything my rheumatologist has prescribed me for my RA, like 5-6 drugs in the last year or so, has given me side effects, ranging from swollen feet and ankles to anxiety attacks. That's where the prednisone comes in. A maintenance dose of 5 mg a day gives me about 90-95% relief, and hasn't given me any side effects after more than a year on it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind mikeedwardsetc
on Saturday, November 12, 2022 – 03:59 pm
> lack of compassion and
> lack of compassion and empathy
I think it's a lot less than those advanced forms of understanding, judit; it's a simple lack of foresight. I think Ras will come to regret saying these things once he has to come to grips with his own mortality, or that of his loved ones. Ignorance is bliss, ya know?
And Racket just seems to think it's cool to be a badass in what is increasingly becoming a geriatric ward. He's beyond redemption in my book.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Saturday, November 12, 2022 – 04:19 pm
As we are, someday you will
As we are, someday you will be.
Deal with it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jazfish Jazfish
on Saturday, November 12, 2022 – 04:40 pm
Raz, why do you like shooting
Raz, why do you like shooting at us like fish in a barrel?
What's that like anyway? Is there water in the barrel?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees FaceOnMars
on Sunday, November 13, 2022 – 12:24 pm
Mike, that's a lot of
Mike, that's a lot of gabapentin per day, but totally get how one is able to ramp up the dosage to that level. It's interesting to see how other ailments can have much lower dosage levels. Glad you found the right combo that helps. As much as I'm not a fan of the side effects I've experienced, I have noticed a significant efficacy in both drugs' ability to mute nerve pain. In fact, I was extremely skeptical while being exclusively on oxycodone until I tried gabapentin (before Lyrica) and noticed a significant improvement.
Glad you've found a regimen that provides relief and that you're not experiencing any of the side effects I described. However, one thing I noticed is that it's only upon starting, stopping or switching over from one to the other did I more fully detect the psychoactive nature of these substances. None of these effects are over the top, but the "darker tone" of gabapentin was noticable. Once I'm on them at the target dosage for a little bit, I'm mostly unaware in a "frog boiling in water" sort of way - for either lyrica and gabapentin.
It's possible my brain is somewhat hypersensitive ... which also carries over into what one might find in the lot. I'm very quick to point out how a particular item might be off a bit in such a such direction. Similarly, if I use that item again and again from the same batch, it becomes "normalized" ... until I come across a new batch.
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on Sunday, November 13, 2022 – 01:23 pm
> Mike, that's a lot of
> Mike, that's a lot of gabapentin per day
I get that Face, but it does what it's supposed to do with no side effects, and it means I don't have to think about surgery on my spine, which freaks me the fuck out.
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on Sunday, November 13, 2022 – 02:09 pm
Jazfish, good points, thanks
Jazfish, good points, thanks for raising them.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ismelltoadsmoke joe
on Sunday, November 13, 2022 – 02:52 pm
I'm not old yet, but the day
I've made peace with time, but the day i fart dust will be both entertaining and concerning.
(((((((((( whatever gets you through the night )))))))))))
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary Rasmataz
on Monday, November 14, 2022 – 08:26 am
Poor Zoners - What a drag it
Poor Zoners - What a drag it is getting old
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on Monday, November 14, 2022 – 09:57 am
> Mike, that's a lot of
> Mike, that's a lot of gabapentin per day
I get that Face, but it does what it's supposed to do with no side effects, and it means I don't have to think about surgery on my spine, which freaks me the fuck out.<<<
I totally understand about not wanting surgery! Even knowing what I know about how it affects me, I'd also still likely try the drug route first before surgery.
Unfortunately, the muscle weakness / buckling of my leg is kinda forcing me to go the surgical route; and I now have a date set for Dec 13 for microdiscectomy and laminectomy at L3/L4.
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on Monday, November 14, 2022 – 11:39 am
I hope the surgery works out
I hope the surgery works out for you, Face. How long do you think you'll be hospitalized?
(Oh, and I don't know what I was thinking above when I put L4-5. my bulging disk is in my cervical spine; C4-5.)
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on Monday, November 14, 2022 – 12:09 pm
Thanks Mike, I hope so too!
Thanks Mike, I hope so too! Unless something goes seriously wrong, the most I'd be hospitalized for is one night for observation. With a microdiscectomy, there's essentially no "recovery" other than avoiding lifting anything over 10lbs for 6 weeks and not making any quick moves (twisting and such). Supposedly, the pain / pressure on the nerve is instantly relieved, but nerve recovery (if it all) might be a long road.
Yeah, I knew you meant C4/C5. I had an artificial disc replacement at C6/C7 in 2015 due to weakness in tricep, pectoral, and trapazoid. I was very hesitant about the surgery and probably waited too long 5.5 months ... so nerve recovery wasn't 100%. If it were just pain (it was excruciating as you've indicated), I'd likely also try whatever non-surgical treatments that worked. Having said that, I do think the artificial disc (if you're a candidate) is worth considering ... since it preserves the range of motion and might present as much potential for adjacent segment disorder (being less of a "fulcrum" point vs. fusion) ... which can cause issues with the disc at the level below.
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on Monday, November 14, 2022 – 12:36 pm
Cheesy but kinda true.
Cheesy but kinda true.
https://youtu.be/F8wVyoJgvEU
Having reached my biblical quota of three score and ten I know I am squarely in the death zone.
Still, not that hard crawl out of bed, get the coffee, hit vape once or or twice, and not give a fuck.
If one is not old then The Reaper showed up early.
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on Monday, November 14, 2022 – 06:55 pm
Poor Zoners - What a drag it
Poor Zoners - What a drag it is getting old<<<
Fascinating.
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on Monday, November 14, 2022 – 07:17 pm
Best of luck FOM. I hope all
Best of luck FOM. I hope all goes smoothly.
Little Feat got it right...
Off our rockers, actin' crazy
With the right medication we won't be lazy
Doin' the old folks boogie
Down on the farm
Wheelchairs, they was locked arm in arm
Paired off pacemakers with matchin' alarms
Gives us jus' one more chance
To spin one more yarn
And you know that you're over the hill
When your mind makes a promise that your body can't fill
Doin' the old folks boogie
And boogie we will
'Cause to us the thought's as good as a thrill
Back at the home,
No time is your own,
Facillities there, they're all out on loan
The bank forclose, and your bankruptcy shows
And your credit creeps to an all-time low
So you know, that you're over the hill
When your mind makes a promise that your body can't fill
Try and get a rise from an atrophied muscle,
And the nerves in your thigh just quivers and fizzles
So you know, that you're over the hill
When your mind makes a promise that your body can't fill
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary Rasmataz
on Wednesday, November 23, 2022 – 06:54 am
Yer like a broke down engine
Yer like a broke down engine mama - Blind Mellon Chitlin
Also,,, WRONG !!
The appropriate zoner responce to my Soylent Green post would go something like, " well that might just solve the world's overpopulation issue ",
unless of course you are an irritable tight ass,,, both pill poppin side effects bty.
Feel better fuckers !! Laugh, it'll help.
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on Wednesday, November 23, 2022 – 09:12 am
You insult and ridicule people then expect a jovial pat on the back?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ... Voodoo Chile
on Wednesday, November 23, 2022 – 10:09 am
>>>WTF is wrong with old
>>>WTF is wrong with old people
I pulled a leg muscle tripping up the stairs at TABoose Saturday.
Also, questionable judgment attending a Goose show.
I'm told its because getting old.