If Jerry were to somehow magically be able to absorb all of the music that Phil, Bobby, Billy, and Mickey have created and performed since his death, what sort of "take" do you think he'd have on each of their respective accomplishments and trajectories as individuals?
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on Sunday, July 24, 2022 – 03:43 pm
Lol what?
Lol what?
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on Sunday, July 24, 2022 – 03:47 pm
^ It's a counterfactual
^ It's a counterfactual question.
Do you think he'd be pleased, vexed, non-chalant, something else? Is there any one of them he'd feel did something extraordinary or lacking? It's open ended, really
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on Sunday, July 24, 2022 – 04:11 pm
Before Jerry somehow
Before Jerry somehow magically addressed the music his former bandmates have made since his passing, I would think he'd want to know what the hell folks were thinking where they sprinkled his ashes in the Ganges River.
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on Sunday, July 24, 2022 – 04:11 pm
It's a fun, harmless little
It's a fun, harmless little game, we always love to try and get into each others heads a bit, so I'll play.
I think he's likely say, "Whatever, far out" to all of it.
I think he'd be happy his mates are still playing.
I think he'd like the idea of the Phil & Friends concept.
I think he'd like how many different types of groups Bob has put together.
I think he'd be happy so many people, and so many young people are still enjoying the music.
I think he'd figure he couldn't really criticize D$C or any of the bloated "Grateful Dead Show" deals, since he did enough shill in his own life & career.
I think he would have liked the idea of and most of the reality of TxR.
I think like the rest of us he would have wondered what the fuck happened to Mickey.
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on Sunday, July 24, 2022 – 05:11 pm
He didn't disown Bobby after
He didn't disown Bobby after "I want to Live in America," so there you go.
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on Sunday, July 24, 2022 – 05:43 pm
THIS!! (...ahem Weir &
THIS!! (...ahem Weir & Koons)
>>Before Jerry somehow magically addressed the music his former bandmates have made since his passing, I would think he'd want to know what the hell folks were thinking where they sprinkled his ashes in the Ganges River.<<
Ultimately, I say he'd dig it, laugh it off in a way, and say something uniquely Jerry....mostly more or less along the lines of what Lance said.
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on Sunday, July 24, 2022 – 06:21 pm
> Ultimately, I say he'd dig
> Ultimately, I say he'd dig it, laugh it off in a way
I hear Jerry used to do a killer Gandhi impersonation.
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on Sunday, July 24, 2022 – 10:42 pm
Mayer took my place? You
You guys hired Mayer? You quit trippin', didn't you?!
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 07:45 am
Jerry "tell Bobby to pick up
Jerry "tell Bobby to pick up the tempo"
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 07:49 am
I bet he would have dug
I bet he would have dug Missing Man Formation and wished Vince hadn't felt so left out.
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 08:52 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCdq7tzPWQc
Jerry in the black muddy...
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 11:15 am
Jerry would probably have a
Jerry would probably have a bigger problem with Touch of Grey being played amongst the muzak at the Safeway.
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 11:18 am
I imagine he'd be pissed that
I imagine he'd be pissed that JRAD refuses to play Brent songs.
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 01:25 pm
Jerry's ghost:
Jerry's ghost:
"So . . . Phil will change the key of a song so he can sing it . . . but Bob just does . . . what ever that is. Huh."
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 01:45 pm
I'd go along with all items
I'd go along with all items you've noted Lance, although not so much the last about Mickey ... at least in the sense that he didn't drop off the radar (although admit I've seen him the least of the four). As you've alluded to, I think he'd be an "easy customer" re: how things have unfolded in general. He might even be moved to tears with some things.
I'd be most interested to hear his "long take" on comparing Phil's approach to Bobby's over the years ... moreso than questions about how he looks at D&C, Furthur, GD50, etc.
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 02:27 pm
FOM, do you like to magically
FOM, do you like to magically absorb your own writing?
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 02:31 pm
I don't think Jerry would be
I don't think Jerry would be surprised by Phil's approach, or by Bobby's. Their trajectories were established decades ago, I'd say.
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 02:38 pm
FOM, do you like to magically
FOM, do you like to magically absorb your own writing?<<<
Boy that magic really has you bugged
https://youtu.be/0re3ydbl9cU?t=77
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 02:42 pm
I don't think Jerry would be
I don't think Jerry would be surprised by Phil's approach, or by Bobby's. Their trajectories were established decades ago, I'd say.<<<
It's hard to argue with the underlying fatalism of it all, but did they really establish a post GD trajectory in terms of "playing with others" before Jerry died? Bobby did have side gigs, but did Phil really do the "Friends rotation" thing?
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 02:48 pm
I'd say that Bobby's paradigm
I'd say that Bobby's paradigm is about the same as it was pre-95. He has his big band (GD/D&C) and he has his side gig (Midnights/Wolf Bros). As for Phil, I would say that his rotating Friends fit perfectly into the idea of "searching for the sound".
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 03:14 pm
he would have said phil
he would have said phil should have dug deeper into trios and playing more avant garde with high level players...telstar and beyond...
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 03:15 pm
What, no love for Ratdog?
What, no love for Ratdog?
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 03:49 pm
Ratdog was in the friend zone
Ratdog was in the friend zone.
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 03:49 pm
I'd say that Bobby's paradigm
I'd say that Bobby's paradigm is about the same as it was pre-95. He has his big band (GD/D&C) and he has his side gig (Midnights/Wolf Bros). As for Phil, I would say that his rotating Friends fit perfectly into the idea of "searching for the sound".<<<
Yeah, it might be fair to say Phil's actions post-GD were in alignment with his prior "outlook" and one might argue such is an impetus for a "trajectory" ... so maybe you're on to something. At the same time, Phil did not have as an extensive track record as Bobby playing solo or with others before Jerry's death (unless I'm missing something?).
I think you're generally right about Bobby going back and forth between big band + side gig pre/post GD, but I think the notion of "side gig" might not be entirely accurate if you look at the numbers post 95. I'm just going off of general recollection, but I suspect he's played more Ratdog shows than Furthur + The Dead + GD50 + D&C combined.
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 03:59 pm
You need to factor in TOO for
You need to factor in TOO for Weir as well; Phil too, but he didn't stick with it. TOO was Weir's big band for a while there, and Ratdog was more of a side gig at that time. And lest we forget, Ratdog opened for P&F on NYE 2001/2002.
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 06:56 pm
And then some. I saw both
And then some. I saw both bands at SPAC. And the tail end of a BIsco set.
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 10:54 pm
> At the same time, Phil did
> At the same time, Phil did not have as an extensive track record as Bobby playing solo or with others before Jerry's death (unless I'm missing something?).
Phil did the Too Loose to Truck thing in the mid-70s, and a one-off P&F in 94, but that's about it, I think.
I'm just remembering the early Weir and Wasserman stuff from the early 90s too. I caught one of the Scaring the Children shows in 92, and they made a lot of beautiful noise with just the two of them.
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on Monday, July 25, 2022 – 11:10 pm
I think he'd be happy to see
I think he'd be happy to see that everybody is still having fun.
Mike - I saw Scaring the Children in Boulder and the first time I remember thinking "no wonder the Grateful Dead are so good". It was cool to hear Weir in a minimal setting. A lot of power in that duo.
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on Wednesday, July 27, 2022 – 12:03 pm
D$co lol so true Is
D$co lol so true Is anything good happening with all that money
God bless that we are alive. And not to be blasphemous or anything but Phil is God
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on Wednesday, July 27, 2022 – 01:08 pm
PLF & Ratdog was the golden
PLF & Ratdog was the golden era of past dead years for me. Both bands toured Florida 1 or 2 times a year and each would play multiple dates. Both bands were different from the GD and neither was like the other. Phil's band would explore the jams that were at times dangerous, and Ratdog would play an upgraded form of elevator music that was fun.
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on Wednesday, July 27, 2022 – 01:39 pm
Elevator music that's
Elevator music that's precious
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on Wednesday, July 27, 2022 – 02:23 pm
Of course he'd dig it all, he
Of course he'd dig it all, he's Jerry.
Looking down on it all, he may even have approved of Vince.
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on Wednesday, July 27, 2022 – 02:32 pm
> Phil's band would explore
> Phil's band would explore the jams that were at times dangerous
A buddy of mine used to refer to the Q as black t-shirt music for that very reason.