The United States as a Christian Nation

Bitcoin army will resolve stuff. Buy houses!

Tyrannical Autocratic (heil45) theocracy run by a false idol. 

Sounds about right

And more houses!

I thought Biden was going to save us all?

"I thought Biden was going to save us all?"

He did. We got that God Damned Donald Trump out of office.

If you thought that racket then you're more ridiculous than I thought. Lol

Your sarcasm emoticon needs a new battery

Fuck

Joe 

Biden

And fuck trump to hell. This last gasp of the patriarchy is an ugly limpdick ballsac all around 

I'm really sick of the "FJB" shit. He is who he is, and he beat what, 18 other people in the primaries? He's the best that ran, and he inherited a shit country and world. Lots of armchair quarterbacks out there, but none tend to call better plays. They just say it sucks.

BK how are you feeling about joe/kamala "full stop" in 2024?

From your view here right now, is that a winning ticket?

I hate it and think it will hand DeSantis the White House. I hope that Biden bows out, and that some badass Dem steps up to the plate.

Seeing as how SCOTUS is poised to hand elections over to State legislatures, it probably won't matter who is on the Dem ticket. If that happens we are truly fucked.

I was talking with someone yesterday about how Texas and 12 other states are poised to outlaw sodomy and take away all LGBTQIA+ rights. His response: "They can move to where they have rights."

How inherently fucked up is it that we're in that place?

I greatly fear with the current Supreme Court we may already be doomed.

Since we don't seem able to live together as United States, maybe it is time to reconsider breaking this sucker up.

agree brian

and yes, it's stunning

without expansion, this current court membership should remain mostly static for the next 3 terms, maybe even into the 4th presidential term from now.

In short, Fuck the Faacists. Fuck the Christian Taliban, Fuck Trump and his minions. 

and Fuck the ignorant folks who continue to enable the far right  by tearing down the Democrats who oppose the Christi-Fascists destroying our democracy and eliminating our freedoms.  

The ' Fuck Hillary' crowd fucked us good, and they don't seem to be content with the damage Trump inflicted and are still at it with 'Fuck Biden' - and if he doesn't run again the same fools will go with 'Fuck Kamala'. 
 

Do these folks actually think Bernie or AOC would have any more success in getting Congress to pass legislation?!

(and I would totally support AOC  as President)

If the leaders pass and enforce laws, the people will comply.

So much for, if the people lead the leaders will follow.

I have to believe a Rational Republican Party would be popular. Most Republicans aren't crazy Trumpfucks and religious freaks. They really need to step forward and show some balls.

Although I support many of AOCs policies, I don't think it's her time. We need someone with progressive sensibilities,  it who comes off as a total badass, that person that makes people say, "whoa, I don't want tofuck with them!"

If it's AOC's time and I fear that time. GOD DAMN AMERICA!

FUCK THE BRONX BITCH

Jesus Christ, go back to OAN and get your confirmation bias.

Sorry junkie Brian if I think the bitch is a joke. 

And I love JC!

Do you??

I know your mind is so twisted that you are ok with abortion at the day before birth. 

Karma is a bitch

looks like someone forgot to eat his rectangle pills today

We can't elect progressives but we need the moderates to pass progressive action after they win unless the next election might be close then they should probably act more moderate. 

^Progressives need to take over the Democratic party, the same way the tea party/ freedom caucus took the Republican party. The leadership structure is more or less in place. 

Doolittle = fuckwit.

do-little, it's way too late to tell you to check yourself before you wreck yourself, but I will say that BK, Bss, and Bluest have some top-notch feedback for you here.

Dolittle, you're a small-minded racist and bigot.

Well this took a turn

Well, y'know, FTG.

Seeing as how the vast majority of the country is moderate, and moderates feel like they aren't represented...

So AOC is really who will save us?

I was thinking it would be you, Racket.

Lumber thinks it's me. 

If you believe I'm speaking of you specifically, Slack,  you're less intelligent than I had thought you were.

All this time I've believed you were being deliberately obtuse. 

'Christian Nationalism'

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/01/1109141110/the-christian-right-is-winning...

>..."It truly does concern for the future of the country because ultimately Christian nationalism is not about democracy," he says. "It's really about – I hate to use such blunt language – but it's really more about theocracy."

Jones said he also sees the Christian Right beginning to part with democratic norms. For example, many Christian conservatives have been supporting voting restrictions and backing Trump's election lies. Jones said it's one of the ways they can make sure their country is a Christian nation.

"I think we are seeing the last kind of desperate grasp – that by the way includes violence – that is kind of a desperate attempt to kind of hold on to that vision of the country and to hold on to power," he says.

Ultimately, Jones said, this period in American history could be a hingepoint for democracy.

"I think if we can protect our democratic institutions and we can weather these attacks on it, then I think there is light at the other end of the tunnel," he said. "But I do think we are in for some dark days."

Dolittle, you're a small-minded racist and bigot.

LMAO!!

The choice to have a late-term abortion is a medical decision between a woman and her doctor. It's that simple.

 Very late term abortions are extremely rare, and are almost always to save the mother. It's propaganda to think that it's common for someone to carry a baby to term, go to every pre-natal exam, decorate, buy diapers, and say "fuck it" at the last minute. If that even happens it is so rare that it's not even a statistic.

What's still rare but happens is that the mother learns that the thing won't live if born, and childbirth will kill her. That's when late term abortions actually happen, and it's a fucking medical decision, not the will of God, or some such shit.

Patriarchal laws based on religious fallacy are murder.

Stop blaming others.

Unless you're part of the solution,,,

Personally, I'm for the separation of Church and Bass.

To be clear, you may love whatever religious figures you are moved by, but you can't expect that I or anyone else will be moved to follow you or them. That would be ridiculous, immoral and wrong. So wrong. (Not directed to you, Alan.)

Also, I thought this was a great thread of civil, reasoned discussion until the name calling started. Change your strain or something...

>>>>>Personally, I'm for the separation of Church and Bass.

I find that adding bass from the sub helps in getting good separation for the rest of the instruments.

^
We found that putting a monitor speaker, aimed at the free speech area, where bible thumping idiots protested, during the annual Portland Gay Pride festival, worked fabulously...    Let them puke their phony guts out to their hearts content, we'd just turn up and tune out their volume, lol.  (that was decades ago, hope the current soundcrew does the same!) 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iouZYYzQEjU

On a related note:

David: What's your concept of God if you have one?

Jerry: I was raised a Catholic so it's very hard for me to get out of that way of thinking. Fundamentally I'm a Christian in that I believe that to love your enemy is a good idea somehow. Also, I feel that I'm enclosed within a Christian framework so huge that I don't believe it's possible to escape it, it's so much a part of the western point of view. So I admit it, and I also believe that real christianity is okay. I just don't like the exclusivity clause.

But as far as God goes, I think that there is a higher order of intelligence something along the lines of whatever it is that makes the DNA work. Whatever it is that keeps our bodies functioning and our cells changing, the organizing principle - whatever it is that created all these wonderful life-forms that we're surrounded by in its incredible detail.

There's definitely a huge vast wisdom of some kind at work here. Whether it's personal - whether there's a point of view in there, or whether we're the point of view, I think is up for discussion. I don't believe in a supernatural being.

Rebecca: What about your personal experience of what you may have described as God?

Jerry: I've been spoken to by a higher order of intelligence - I thought it was God. It was a very personal God in that it had exactly the same sense of humor that I have.(laughter) I interpret that as being the next level of consciousness, but maybe there's a hierarchical set of consciousnesses. My experience is that there is one smarter than me, that can talk to me, and there's also the biological one that I spoke about.

David: Do you feel that there's a divine plan at work in nature?

Jerry: I don't know about a plan. I don't know whether it cares to express itself that way or even if matters such as developmental constructs along time have any relevance to this particular God point of view. It may be a steady-state God that exists out beyond space-time beyond our experience, or around it, or contemporary with it, or it may function in the moment - I have no idea.

>That would be ridiculous, immoral and wrong. So wrong. (Not directed to you, Alan.)<

That's ok if it was Judit. I embrace the ridiculous, I'm often wrong (just ask my wife), and the Christo-Fascists who know nothing about, or are purposely revising, US history would definitively consider me immoral.

Doesn't anyone remember 4th grade history class lessons anymore? You know, when we learned that many of the colonists fleeing Europe were escaping religious persecution in Europe to find a safe place to practice their non conformist ideas:

• "Thirty-five of the Pilgrims were members of the radical English Separatist Church, who traveled to America to escape the jurisdiction of the Church of England, ..."
• "Catholics escaping religious persecution in England saw Maryland as a safe haven. The colony even passed an act ensuring religious liberty and justice to those who believed in Jesus Christ in 1649."
• Pennsylvania's first constitution stated that all who believed in God and agreed to live peacefully under the civil government would "in no way be molested or prejudiced for their religious persuasion of practice. ”

Now granted, those are highly-edited myths (e.g., many colonial sects had little to no religious tolerance), but the separation of Church and State was once a fundamental precept taught to every kid in public school. When did this change? Fuckin evangelical cultists with their missionary zeal.

This concept was also embraced by the Church to protect itself from an overbearing government. Seems it is used selectively now --- when the Church finds it convenient to do so.

God is a concept

By which we measure
Our pain
I'll say it again
God is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain

I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-Ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in Tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus
I don't believe in Kennedy
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in Mantra
I don't believe in Gita
I don't believe in Yoga
I don't believe in Kings
I don't believe in Elvis
I don't believe in Zimmerman
I don't believe in Beatles

I just believe in me
Yoko and me
That's reality
Dream is over
What can I say?
The dream is over
Yesterday

I was the dreamweaver
But now I'm reborn
I was the walrus
But now I'm John
And so dear friends
You just have to carry on
The dream is over

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCNkPpq1giU

We place a lot of trust in the invisible. Politicians around the globe aren't lost on that fact.

Tune In

Turn On

Drop Out

Now extremist fuckers have taken over the asylum.  Label it anyway that makes you feel good.

This letter written by a neighbor best describes the mainstream Christian.

On Friday, June 24, in a 5-4 decision overturning Roe v. Wade (June 25 Associated Press story, “Roe v. Wade Overturned”), the U.S. Supreme Court ended almost 50 years of autonomy for women and men to decide, without govern- ment interference, whether the circumstances in their lives would cause them to consider the termination of a pregnancy they can neither manage nor afford.

As a Christian and as someone who is pro-choice, I find the ruling horrifying. I respect all life, including the lives of women and men who would be adversely affected by a pregnancy at a very difficult time.
I am grateful to live in Connecticut, a state that also respects the lives of women and men making very difficult decisions in their lives. Connecticut has sworn to help those in need in any way possible.
Former President Donald J. Trump has caused severe damage and destruction to our nation, not only by challenging the 2020 election results, — causing havoc and the creation of the Jan. 6, 2021 assault on the Capitol — but by appointing to the Supreme Court three justices who said they would respect the Roe precedent but who, instead, took the route of following the former president in his determination to destroy the right of women to self-determination. These actions of the former president have resulted in dividing our nation in ways that Republican President Abraham Lincoln could never have imagined.
In 1858, as the United States grappled with the slavery issue that led to the Civil War, future President Lincoln stated, “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Right now, because of the Supreme Court’s recent abortion ruling, we are a house that is greatly divided against itself.
We have lost faith in a fair and impartial Supreme Court, and we have substituted that for one which has chosen to serve the wishes of a political party, rather than act as an independent and separate branch of government.

Edith - Middlebury Ct

If there is a god, you know that all the SOBs that kill, abuse, and subjugate in her name are going to burn in hell for eternity. That's the irony of it.