I tried a bunch of different bottles of scotch a couple of years ago and found I have cheap tastes. The only ones I really wanted to buy again were Famous Grouse and Dewar's, both blended and relatively inexpensive.
I agree with ender, when it comes to reasonably priced scotchs, Dewar's White Label and Famous Grouse are both good choices. For a reasonably priced bourbon I usually go with Maker's Mark. Right now I'm working on a bottle of Canadian Club 100% Rye which is surprisingly good and priced right at about $20.
The Canadians make good rye. Unique in that it's a 100℅ rye mashbill, unlike the KY style which is three grain, or the Indiana style which is two grain.
As much shit as Whistle Pig (rightfully) takes for their deceptive marketing practices; they are bottling some great Canadian rye at cask strength. I've had some store picked private selections from my local and Binny's in Chicago that were both outstanding. It's usually around $80 a bottle, but recommended for a rye fan as a splurge.
Friends took me out for dinner on my birthday to a place that pairs chocolates and whiskeys. The last time I was there I tried 3 different types and found that I don't like the peaty smoky types, but do like the sort-of-caramel-tasting type. Gentle, warm, lovely. I can't remember the name of what I ordered as my drink this recent time, but they understood my description of what I didn't want and what I did and it was good. I like reading these threads but I so rarely drink this kind of liquor that I forget what I read after awhile. Thanks for bringing it up every so often.
It sounds like your palate definitely favors bourbon, Judit. Bourbon has a distinctive vanilla/caramel forward flavor profile that actually comes from the new charred oak barrels during the aging of the spirit. For people who love it, there's nothing better.
Scotch tastes like kerosene to my palate. Really expensive scotch tastes like expensive kerosene. I do t know why, but that's just how it tastes to me.
Whiskey is inert. The only thing that can really destroy a whisk(e)y is direct sunlight, and possibly crazy heat over a long period of time. Stuff is basically invincible.
In the hundreds of bottles I've collected, I've only had one that I believe suffered from sunlight degradation; based on the severly sun faded condition of the label and the burning rubber/inescapable sadness note in the juice when I opened it to sample.
I've found bottles from the 70's, 80's, and 90's in really run down liquor stores, and all of them have been perfectly good, so long as they were kept out of the sun.
Redbreast 12 year pot still is my jam, but I'm a good Irish lad who will gladly do a shot of Jameson with ya.
I haven't delved too much into the renewed bourbon craze of the last few years. Going to school in the south had me set on that for a while. I was friends with some guys who went through at least one of every bottle on the store and got to taste the gamut....20 years ago. The current scene sounds exciting to me though.
I really like Redbreast 12. That's an excellent Irish whiskey
Bourbon is fun. Everybody who is really serious will tell you how much better it was back in the day; but that's bullshit. There's some amazing stuff being aged and released today that competes with anything ever bottled.
Bourbon geeks are basically nerdy like Deadheads; except they pretend not to be fucked up after they sit around drinking all night.
Thanks for the info, never knew some of this stuff. My problem is I tend to like the same stuff over and over. Like Beer for example, I like IPA's and pale ales. Not much else. Bourbon and not many other liquors unless mixed with stuff. Can one train your palate or if you've been doing the same for 15/20 years are you ruined, I just tend to always go back to what I like when I try new stuff.
i have a bourbon/rye geek buddy who spent his vacations driving through Appalachian/Distilling states and would do distillery tours snagging small batch bottles all over the place - i had the pleasure over the years to enjoy the fruits of those travels. He hit every distillery, the smaller the better as far as he was concerned.
I'm sitting now at the bar,
I'm getting drunk, I'm feelin' mellow
I'm drinkin' bourbon, I'm drinkin' scotch, I'm drinkin' beer
Looked down the bar, here come the bartender
I said "Look man, come down here"
So what you want?
One bourbon, one scotch, one beer
No, I ain't seen my baby since the night before last,
Gotta get a drink man, I'm gonna get gassed
Gonna get high man, I ain't had enough,
Need me a triple shot of that stuff
Gonna get drunk, won't you listen right here,
I want one bourbon, one scotch, and one beer
One bourbon, one scotch, one beer
poisoned myself almost to death on cheap whiskey (Seagram's 7) when I was a teenager... to this day I still can't stand even the smell of any liquor in the brown spectrum.
Guess I like the Highland style, as JW Black is too smokey and Islay stuff like Laphroig is too peaty (like drinking dirt). I sn pent several months in Scotland ~30 years ago, and the "locals" drank Famous Grouse and a blend from the local drugstore "Spar" as the single malts were expensive. When I came back to the US I enjoyed Famous Grouse with dark chocolate, and I still like that or Dewars as mentioned above. And for me, without overspending, the regular 12 y.o. Macallan's (sherry cask) is really yummy.
My understanding of the source of the peat/smoke flavor is that it comes from malting the barley. Whether you're making beer or whisk(e)y, you wet the barley to make it germinate. The enzymes begin to turn the starches to sugars to feed the growing sprout. Then you roast it to stop the growth of the plant (and affect the pH of the resulting wort, depending on how hard your water is). When the fuel used to roast the malted grain is peat, you get the peaty/smokey flavor.
I used to drink Scotch, but much like IPAs and hops, I burnt out on the smokiness.
Now, I like a good bourbon. Nothing crazy. My affordable go-to is Buffalo Trace. I enjoy Woodford, Elijah Craig, Basil Hayden if I'm feeling flush and fancy.
F.I.L. gave me a really nice bottle of Angel's Envy port finish for Christmas. And if I won the lottery, Widow Jane would be my indulgence.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 03:00 pm
I prefer the single malts.
I prefer the single malts.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 03:03 pm
Bourbon, like Knob Creek.
Bourbon, like Knob Creek.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 03:04 pm
When it comes to brown
When it comes to brown liquors, it used to be bourbon for me, but now it's scotch. Especially some good shit like Oban.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 03:07 pm
i was a mostly scotch drinker
i was a mostly scotch drinker for years, now mostly bourbon or rye. a lot of Bulleit rye lately.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 03:07 pm
Apples to oranges, but I
Apples to oranges, but I prefer bourbon.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 03:11 pm
common ground, smark
common ground, smark
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 03:12 pm
Not really, Fish.
Not really, Fish.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 03:16 pm
Why I drank such things,
Why I drank such things, bourbon... Basil Hayden
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 03:18 pm
Rye
Rye
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fish fish
on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 03:18 pm
Ok then
Ok then
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fish fish
on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 03:18 pm
Ok then
..
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lassen No Treble No Trouble
on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 03:22 pm
Bourbon, Elijah Craig or Noah
Bourbon, Elijah Craig or Noah's Mill
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lord Kalvert Lloyd_Klondike
on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 03:29 pm
got a jug of this for xmas
got a jug of this for xmas
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 03:47 pm
All I drink is Dewar's.
All I drink is Dewar's.
I tried a bunch of different bottles of scotch a couple of years ago and found I have cheap tastes. The only ones I really wanted to buy again were Famous Grouse and Dewar's, both blended and relatively inexpensive.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 03:53 pm
I won;t usually drink the
I won't usually drink the browns - but that peaty, earthy, smokey Oban is a new found pleasure for me. Just a wee bit there, laddy, but that's fine.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: I rang a silent bell China-Rider
on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 04:02 pm
Yamazaki 18 year old is
Yamazaki 18 year old is fantastic.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 04:14 pm
Dad's Hat Rye - PA brand
Dad's Hat Rye - PA brand
Angels Envy - rum cask finish - smoooth
Bulleit is a good cheaper Rye
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 04:19 pm
I agree with ender, when it
I agree with ender, when it comes to reasonably priced scotchs, Dewar's White Label and Famous Grouse are both good choices. For a reasonably priced bourbon I usually go with Maker's Mark. Right now I'm working on a bottle of Canadian Club 100% Rye which is surprisingly good and priced right at about $20.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 04:28 pm
The Canadians make good rye.
The Canadians make good rye. Unique in that it's a 100℅ rye mashbill, unlike the KY style which is three grain, or the Indiana style which is two grain.
As much shit as Whistle Pig (rightfully) takes for their deceptive marketing practices; they are bottling some great Canadian rye at cask strength. I've had some store picked private selections from my local and Binny's in Chicago that were both outstanding. It's usually around $80 a bottle, but recommended for a rye fan as a splurge.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 04:37 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--AvCsh48bk
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 04:38 pm
Friends took me out for
Friends took me out for dinner on my birthday to a place that pairs chocolates and whiskeys. The last time I was there I tried 3 different types and found that I don't like the peaty smoky types, but do like the sort-of-caramel-tasting type. Gentle, warm, lovely. I can't remember the name of what I ordered as my drink this recent time, but they understood my description of what I didn't want and what I did and it was good. I like reading these threads but I so rarely drink this kind of liquor that I forget what I read after awhile. Thanks for bringing it up every so often.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark The Lion
on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 04:55 pm
It sounds like your palate
It sounds like your palate definitely favors bourbon, Judit. Bourbon has a distinctive vanilla/caramel forward flavor profile that actually comes from the new charred oak barrels during the aging of the spirit. For people who love it, there's nothing better.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 04:59 pm
Thanks, I didn't know where
Thanks, I didn't know where that flavor comes from. It's good. I will have to drink more to know if I love it.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 05:01 pm
Scotch tastes like kerosene
Scotch tastes like kerosene to my palate. Really expensive scotch tastes like expensive kerosene. I do t know why, but that's just how it tastes to me.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 05:04 pm
Does scotch have the peaty
Does scotch have the peaty smoky flavor? Filtered through peat like from bogs?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 05:04 pm
Stick with the sweet stuff
Stick with the sweet stuff then, Brian.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 05:06 pm
They do not filter the
They do not filter the scots whisky through peat, Judit - but the water they use comes from a water table that is influenced by peat bogs.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 05:12 pm
I traveled by train through
I traveled by train through bogs in Scotland - very different landscape than anywhere else I've ever been. Are the Scots whiskeys made in Scotland?
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 05:16 pm
I like good whisky.
I like good whisky.
Lagavulin 16 being my hands-down all time favorite.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 05:17 pm
Yes they are made in Scotland
Yes, they are made in Scotland and they are spelled whisky without an "e".
The Irish spell it whiskey as do North Americans.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 05:23 pm
got aq bottle of glenfiddich
got a bottle of glenfiddich about 9 years ago - dust covered - still unopened- about 21 years old now.
any of you scotch crotches want to come by and have a drink - lemme know
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 06:06 pm
Scotch doesn't age in the
Scotch doesn't age in the bottle, Klon.
Once it's out of the barrel and bottled, that's its age forever.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 06:54 pm
I never knew that St. Mark, a
I never knew that St. Mark, a good factoid to know. Can the same be said for wine?
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 07:07 pm
I prefer an excellent Irish
I prefer an excellent Irish Whiskey. A good scotch in the winter time is a thing of beauty though.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 07:17 pm
No, wine ages in the bottle
No, wine ages in the bottle Fafa. So does beer.
Whiskey is inert. The only thing that can really destroy a whisk(e)y is direct sunlight, and possibly crazy heat over a long period of time. Stuff is basically invincible.
In the hundreds of bottles I've collected, I've only had one that I believe suffered from sunlight degradation; based on the severly sun faded condition of the label and the burning rubber/inescapable sadness note in the juice when I opened it to sample.
I've found bottles from the 70's, 80's, and 90's in really run down liquor stores, and all of them have been perfectly good, so long as they were kept out of the sun.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 07:21 pm
Irish Whiskey
Irish Whiskey
Redbreast 12 year pot still is my jam, but I'm a good Irish lad who will gladly do a shot of Jameson with ya.
I haven't delved too much into the renewed bourbon craze of the last few years. Going to school in the south had me set on that for a while. I was friends with some guys who went through at least one of every bottle on the store and got to taste the gamut....20 years ago. The current scene sounds exciting to me though.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 07:26 pm
I really like Redbreast 12.
I really like Redbreast 12. That's an excellent Irish whiskey
Bourbon is fun. Everybody who is really serious will tell you how much better it was back in the day; but that's bullshit. There's some amazing stuff being aged and released today that competes with anything ever bottled.
Bourbon geeks are basically nerdy like Deadheads; except they pretend not to be fucked up after they sit around drinking all night.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Jackstraw Fafa
on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 07:57 pm
Thanks for the info, never
Thanks for the info, never knew some of this stuff. My problem is I tend to like the same stuff over and over. Like Beer for example, I like IPA's and pale ales. Not much else. Bourbon and not many other liquors unless mixed with stuff. Can one train your palate or if you've been doing the same for 15/20 years are you ruined, I just tend to always go back to what I like when I try new stuff.
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on Monday, January 30, 2017 – 08:18 pm
i have a bourbon/rye geek
i have a bourbon/rye geek buddy who spent his vacations driving through Appalachian/Distilling states and would do distillery tours snagging small batch bottles all over the place - i had the pleasure over the years to enjoy the fruits of those travels. He hit every distillery, the smaller the better as far as he was concerned.
AND YEAH - Whistle Pig is over priced
peace
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: BBLV Man MSG Man
on Tuesday, January 31, 2017 – 11:17 pm
Depends on my mood
Depends on my mood
Lagavulin 16 Year for Scotch
Russell's Reserve 10 Year for Bourbon
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on Wednesday, February 1, 2017 – 01:57 am
I'm sitting now at the bar,
I'm sitting now at the bar,
I'm getting drunk, I'm feelin' mellow
I'm drinkin' bourbon, I'm drinkin' scotch, I'm drinkin' beer
Looked down the bar, here come the bartender
I said "Look man, come down here"
So what you want?
One bourbon, one scotch, one beer
No, I ain't seen my baby since the night before last,
Gotta get a drink man, I'm gonna get gassed
Gonna get high man, I ain't had enough,
Need me a triple shot of that stuff
Gonna get drunk, won't you listen right here,
I want one bourbon, one scotch, and one beer
One bourbon, one scotch, one beer
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Racketinmyhead Racketinmyhead
on Wednesday, February 1, 2017 – 08:38 am
For you redbreast fans.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Vt Crow Jimbojenkins
on Wednesday, February 1, 2017 – 09:48 am
Another good Irish Whiskey.
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on Wednesday, February 1, 2017 – 09:55 am
They give me heartburn, so,
They give me heartburn, so, unfortunately, neither.
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on Wednesday, February 1, 2017 – 12:42 pm
poisoned myself almost to
poisoned myself almost to death on cheap whiskey (Seagram's 7) when I was a teenager... to this day I still can't stand even the smell of any liquor in the brown spectrum.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lassen No Treble No Trouble
on Wednesday, February 1, 2017 – 12:48 pm
^ that would've been Southern
^ that would've been Southern Comfort for me. Just the sight of a bottle of that shit gives me the willies
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lord Kalvert Lloyd_Klondike
on Wednesday, February 1, 2017 – 12:49 pm
I had that happen to me with
I had that happen to me with Hiram Walkers TEN HIGH-- the WORST
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on Wednesday, February 1, 2017 – 01:06 pm
Since inauguration day, BOTH!
Since inauguration day, BOTH!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: It's me Dave open up! Davesnothere
on Thursday, February 2, 2017 – 12:04 am
Guess I like the Highland
Guess I like the Highland style, as JW Black is too smokey and Islay stuff like Laphroig is too peaty (like drinking dirt). I sn pent several months in Scotland ~30 years ago, and the "locals" drank Famous Grouse and a blend from the local drugstore "Spar" as the single malts were expensive. When I came back to the US I enjoyed Famous Grouse with dark chocolate, and I still like that or Dewars as mentioned above. And for me, without overspending, the regular 12 y.o. Macallan's (sherry cask) is really yummy.
My understanding of the source of the peat/smoke flavor is that it comes from malting the barley. Whether you're making beer or whisk(e)y, you wet the barley to make it germinate. The enzymes begin to turn the starches to sugars to feed the growing sprout. Then you roast it to stop the growth of the plant (and affect the pH of the resulting wort, depending on how hard your water is). When the fuel used to roast the malted grain is peat, you get the peaty/smokey flavor.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lasher Von Zekenstein zeke17
on Thursday, February 2, 2017 – 09:45 am
I used to drink Scotch, but
I used to drink Scotch, but much like IPAs and hops, I burnt out on the smokiness.
Now, I like a good bourbon. Nothing crazy. My affordable go-to is Buffalo Trace. I enjoy Woodford, Elijah Craig, Basil Hayden if I'm feeling flush and fancy.
F.I.L. gave me a really nice bottle of Angel's Envy port finish for Christmas. And if I won the lottery, Widow Jane would be my indulgence.