Too many AR-15's and AK's, hard too believe that not too long again there was actually an assault weapons ban nationwide.
The right acts like that law never existed. Screw the NRA, gun nuts and the 2nd amendment, we got rights too....life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
I was thrilled to see this letter to the editor today in the Salt Lake Tribune. I had the same thoughts last week and was going to write one, but this guy covered it.
Who is regulating these guns owners who are part of a registered militia? If they are not part of one (National Guard?) and not being regulated, do they actually have that right?
I am intrigued by the recent declaration of ‘Second Amendment sanctuary’ in Weber County. I wonder if the members of the Weber County Commission have ever read the Second Amendment. For their sakes, here it is in total: “A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” That’s it -- that’s the entire text.
The meaning of “militia” makes a difference to the rights established by the Second Amendment. This is how militia is defined by Miriam-Webster’s online dictionary:
A: a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency.
B : a body of citizens organized for military service
C : a private group of armed individuals that operates as a paramilitary force and is typically motivated by a political or religious ideology
I would hope that the intent of the framers of the Bill of Rights was A or B. Of course they might have meant C, but that seems less likely to constitutional scholars. Note the wording: “A (singular) well regulated Militia (capital M)”. That does not seem to suggest multiple street gangs, cop cos-players, or lone wolves.
Does Weber County maintain a Militia, i.e., a body of citizens organized for military service? I for one have never seen their Militia, but hey, I live in a different county. If they don’t have an organized armed force, must we conclude therefore that the Weber County Commissioners want to encourage militias as paramilitary forces motivated by ideology? Even if they encourage ideology-driven paramilitaries in Weber County those militias ought to be “well regulated,” per the literal text of the Second Amendment.
This brings me to my main question for the county commissioners: Are you regulating your militias, as required by the Constitution? And are they well regulated? The sanctuary which you declared last week to guarantee that “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed” seems to require well regulation. Please enforce all of the Second Amendment, not just the second half. Thank you.
I could see that under definition A above: "a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency." Distinct from the federal government, in case arms need to be raised against it, and regulated by a local authority, like a county or a state.
"But the judges who interpret the nation's laws say the Second Amendment to the Constitution does not guarantee an individual's right to bear arms. In fact, no federal court has ever ruled that the Constitution guarantees Americans the right to own a gun.
In few areas of law is there such a vast gulf between what people think the Constitution protects and what the nation's judges say it protects. The difference between belief and reality infects the country's perennial gun control debates and exacerbates tensions after incidents like the 1993 shootout near Waco, Tex., and the Oklahoma City bombing last month, which put new attention on citizen paramilitary groups.
The Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud,' on the American public," former chief justice Warren E. Burger said in a 1991 interview on PBS's "MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour." Burger has said often that the "right to bear arms" belongs to the states, and he has attacked the NRA for fostering the opposite view.
The Second Amendment says, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The widespread legal and judicial view is that the Second Amendment guarantees a state's right to be armed – for example, in today's National Guard.
When the Supreme Court has spoken in this area – and it has done so infrequently – it has begun with the idea that the Second Amendment protects a state's right to keep arms for a militia. In a nationally watched 1983 case, the justices let the town of Morton Grove, Ill., ban handguns. Without comment or dissent, they left intact a lower court decision rejecting the contention that Americans have a constitutional right to be armed.
In that case, the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the Second Amendment restricts federal authority in this area, not that of state and local governments. The court stated, "We conclude that the right to keep and bear handguns is not guaranteed by the Second Amendment."
Toxic masculinity, racism, sexism, entitlement, white privilege, domestic violence, add in easy access to deadly weapons and you've got a recipe for disaster.
Video shows attack on Southwest flight attendant on San Diego-bound plane
In the back row of a Southwest Airlines flight from Sacramento to San Diego on Sunday morning, a woman in a middle seat shakes her finger at a female flight attendant and threatens to sue.
Suddenly the passenger next to her springs from her aisle seat and hits the flight attendant. She keeps on swinging, the video shows, until another passenger jumps in, putting himself in the middle of them and yelling at the passenger to sit down.
“Don’t you dare touch a flight attendant like that,” he yells at the woman, now back in her seat. Behind him, the flight attendant pushes her hair back off her face, revealing blood running down her cheek.
I'd guess that a cultural fixation on instant gratification has contributed to increased egocentrism and a dampening of empathy levels. Some people seem to be having trouble seeing the bigger picture.
No doubt, however the vast majority of mass murderers in the US are angry white men
Bitch on the plane throwing punches needs to go directly to jail - and stay there awaiting trail. I'm okay with mandatory sentencing and fines for anyone causing a ruckus on a plane. More Air Marshals needed.
> the vast majority of mass murderers in the US are angry white men
I totally get that Nancy, but I think it's only fair to give credit where it's due.
> our society and citizens are sick
Turtle, I know you're not a fan of Gavin Newsom, but that was pretty much what he had to say after the shooting in San Jose last week.
"What the hell's going on in the United States of America?" [Newsom] said. "What the hell's wrong with us? And when are we going to come to grips with this? When are we going to put down our arms, literally and figuratively? Our politics, stale rhetoric, finger-pointing, all the hand-wringing and consternation that produces nothing except more fury and more frustration, more scenes like this repeated over, and over, and over again."
Too many people and too rapid a rate of tech and cultural change. For many thousands of years folks lived in small groups, and changes to both tech and culture happened on a generational scale or even more slowly. It's only in the last few thousand years that we've forced ourselves into this (death?) spiral. We have to reduce our numbers to save the planet and ourselves, but will we ever do it voluntarily?
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America + it's 2nd ammendment
America + it's 2nd ammendment - what a pos we are
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4 months in...
4 months in...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_Sta...
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Too many AR-15's and AK's,
Too many AR-15's and AK's, hard too believe that not too long again there was actually an assault weapons ban nationwide.
The right acts like that law never existed. Screw the NRA, gun nuts and the 2nd amendment, we got rights too....life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
www.gunviolencearchive.org
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I don't need a gun
I don't need a gun
Believe it or not, I submit that almost all of you don't need one either...
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After the last couple of
After the last couple of weeks, I'm starting to think that killer cops and mass killings are somehow related.
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2021:
2021:
mass shooters: 148 (including dead shooters)
cops: ~120 (also including dead shooters)
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Might as well just leave the
Might as well just leave the flags at half staff permanantly.
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And turn those flags upside
And turn those flags upside down while we're at it?
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So how many mass shootings
So how many mass shootings since this thread started? I lost count
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I was thrilled to see this
I was thrilled to see this letter to the editor today in the Salt Lake Tribune. I had the same thoughts last week and was going to write one, but this guy covered it.
Who is regulating these guns owners who are part of a registered militia? If they are not part of one (National Guard?) and not being regulated, do they actually have that right?
I am intrigued by the recent declaration of ‘Second Amendment sanctuary’ in Weber County. I wonder if the members of the Weber County Commission have ever read the Second Amendment. For their sakes, here it is in total: “A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” That’s it -- that’s the entire text.
The meaning of “militia” makes a difference to the rights established by the Second Amendment. This is how militia is defined by Miriam-Webster’s online dictionary:
A: a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency.
B : a body of citizens organized for military service
C : a private group of armed individuals that operates as a paramilitary force and is typically motivated by a political or religious ideology
I would hope that the intent of the framers of the Bill of Rights was A or B. Of course they might have meant C, but that seems less likely to constitutional scholars. Note the wording: “A (singular) well regulated Militia (capital M)”. That does not seem to suggest multiple street gangs, cop cos-players, or lone wolves.
Does Weber County maintain a Militia, i.e., a body of citizens organized for military service? I for one have never seen their Militia, but hey, I live in a different county. If they don’t have an organized armed force, must we conclude therefore that the Weber County Commissioners want to encourage militias as paramilitary forces motivated by ideology? Even if they encourage ideology-driven paramilitaries in Weber County those militias ought to be “well regulated,” per the literal text of the Second Amendment.
This brings me to my main question for the county commissioners: Are you regulating your militias, as required by the Constitution? And are they well regulated? The sanctuary which you declared last week to guarantee that “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed” seems to require well regulation. Please enforce all of the Second Amendment, not just the second half. Thank you.
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Just to play Devil's advocate
Just to play Devil's advocate here, couldn't the framers have meant self-regulation?
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Self-regulated individuals,
Self-regulated individuals, Surfdead? You really have to stretch to get to Militia from there.
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Self reg. of militias, I
Self reg. of militias, I meant.
Not that I support this view.
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Just a thought. They seemed
Just a thought. They seemed to be into checks and balances. Given that, I personally kinda doubt self-regulated is what they had in mind.
Guess it depends who the "self" is also. A group of independent renegades, or a state and/or federally organized force like the National Guard?
Interpreting a sometimes ambiguous 18th century document in law into the 21st century gets tricky.
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> Self reg. of militias, I
> Self reg. of militias, I meant.
I could see that under definition A above: "a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency." Distinct from the federal government, in case arms need to be raised against it, and regulated by a local authority, like a county or a state.
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>>> "a part of the
>>> "a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency."
Wouldn't that be be the National Guard?
Not sure that would cover a bunch of boys in the woods of Georgia.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/supcourt/stories...
"But the judges who interpret the nation's laws say the Second Amendment to the Constitution does not guarantee an individual's right to bear arms. In fact, no federal court has ever ruled that the Constitution guarantees Americans the right to own a gun.
In few areas of law is there such a vast gulf between what people think the Constitution protects and what the nation's judges say it protects. The difference between belief and reality infects the country's perennial gun control debates and exacerbates tensions after incidents like the 1993 shootout near Waco, Tex., and the Oklahoma City bombing last month, which put new attention on citizen paramilitary groups.
The Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud,' on the American public," former chief justice Warren E. Burger said in a 1991 interview on PBS's "MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour." Burger has said often that the "right to bear arms" belongs to the states, and he has attacked the NRA for fostering the opposite view.
The Second Amendment says, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The widespread legal and judicial view is that the Second Amendment guarantees a state's right to be armed – for example, in today's National Guard.
When the Supreme Court has spoken in this area – and it has done so infrequently – it has begun with the idea that the Second Amendment protects a state's right to keep arms for a militia. In a nationally watched 1983 case, the justices let the town of Morton Grove, Ill., ban handguns. Without comment or dissent, they left intact a lower court decision rejecting the contention that Americans have a constitutional right to be armed.
In that case, the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the Second Amendment restricts federal authority in this area, not that of state and local governments. The court stated, "We conclude that the right to keep and bear handguns is not guaranteed by the Second Amendment."
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Bump for San Jose. Next...
Bump for San Jose.
Next...
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Guns are bad, but this issue
Guns are bad, but this issue isn't about guns.
There have always been guns, but these mass shootings never used to happen.
Even though there have always been guns.
As Gavin Newsom so eloquently asked the other day...
"What the hell is going on in the United States of America? What the hell is wrong with US?"
People had access to guns in the '80s, '70s, '60s, '50s, etc. But this shit never used to happen.
What the hell is going on?
What, exactly, has changed?
THAT is the issue here.
IMHO.
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Oh, BTW.
Oh, BTW.
I don't think there are any simple or singular answers to those questions.
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Toxic masculinity, racism,
Toxic masculinity, racism, sexism, entitlement, white privilege, domestic violence, add in easy access to deadly weapons and you've got a recipe for disaster.
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There's some toxic femininity
There's some toxic femininity out there too.
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Nimbyisms
Nimbyisms
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I'd guess that a cultural
I'd guess that a cultural fixation on instant gratification has contributed to increased egocentrism and a dampening of empathy levels. Some people seem to be having trouble seeing the bigger picture.
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Slackerisms
Slackerisms
wtf are you babbling about slacker
Is it OK as long as it's not an Sacramento or the east bay or wherever the fuck you live
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Hate sadness depression
Hate sadness depression institutionalized racism the pandemic jealousy being rejected
Mass communication constant violence in the media and the entertainment industry
And glorifying hate
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Victimism
Victimism
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our society and citizens are
our society and citizens are sick.
i feel that the pressures of keeping track in this capitalistic system is causing people to snap.
then you have the political windbags fanning the flames. rot in hell rush.
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What did I say?
What did I say?
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>There's some toxic
>There's some toxic femininity out there too.
No doubt, however the vast majority of mass murderers in the US are angry white men
Bitch on the plane throwing punches needs to go directly to jail - and stay there awaiting trail. I'm okay with mandatory sentencing and fines for anyone causing a ruckus on a plane. More Air Marshals needed.
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Women mostly kill their own
Women mostly kill their own children.
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> the vast majority of mass
> the vast majority of mass murderers in the US are angry white men
I totally get that Nancy, but I think it's only fair to give credit where it's due.
> our society and citizens are sick
Turtle, I know you're not a fan of Gavin Newsom, but that was pretty much what he had to say after the shooting in San Jose last week.
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Slacker you said NIMBYISM
and I did not see how it applied to this thread
Hope you have a good day
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Gentrification
Gentrification
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Wow
Wow
I don't know where to post this but beware it's extremely depressing
and a sad On going event
Worldwide
I no longer identify as Catholic I am done and for that matter don't have a Lotta respect for most formal religions
we
they
hate
Buckle up if you're going to read this
https://apple.news/AbYxnXPSCT0CVcfYF89Fb0A
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Turtle, your absolutey right
Turtle, your absolutley right we are all living in a sick society, WE CAN FIX THIS !
Time to heal!
It's the all knew and improved DEAL
We've invented the WHEEL
Time to turn it.....PEACE LOVE AND HAPPINESS FRICKEN ZONAS!
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Too many people and too rapid
Too many people and too rapid a rate of tech and cultural change. For many thousands of years folks lived in small groups, and changes to both tech and culture happened on a generational scale or even more slowly. It's only in the last few thousand years that we've forced ourselves into this (death?) spiral. We have to reduce our numbers to save the planet and ourselves, but will we ever do it voluntarily?
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Lol.
Lol.
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#thankgodwearefgettingbackton
#thankgodweregettingbacktonormal
and/or
#thoughtsandprayers
ya know